Rays and Indians agree to deal

[Brian]

How can u say that the players I'm getting back arnt good enough McGuire is ranked in sbnation as the 6th best prospect on pirates farm system and he is only 19yrs old so he will improve his hitting. Know Chavez he was only behind 100 points behind so like miller,Sanchez,Bauer,minor,Cole this past year,bulholtz,Wilson and Guyer had better statistics then Beltran,Bruce,trumbo and Upton. I'm from Ohio  and about 35 min away from where Sisco is pitching at the farm system so I see what I'm getting in him I seen him throw k's to some of the best single a players in the minors.

[Dan Wood]

How can u say that the players I'm getting back arnt good enough McGuire is ranked in sbnation as the 6th best prospect on pirates farm system and he is only 19yrs old so he will improve his hitting. Know Chavez he was only behind 100 points behind so like miller,Sanchez,Bauer,minor,Cole this past year,bulholtz,Wilson and Guyer had better statistics then Beltran,Bruce,trumbo and Upton. I'm from Ohio  and about 35 min away from where Sisco is pitching at the farm system so I see what I'm getting in him I seen him throw k's to some of the best single a players in the minors.

Beltran,Bruce,trumbo and Upton (Injured, Injured, Injured, and I assume you mean BJ -who was one of if not the worst hitting regular in MLB last season). Chavez has always been a journeyman and was forced into action because of injury and when better options came along he was returned to the pen and then the DL. Now he may or may not be in the rotation to start the season - it is both a possibilty and a probability as Kazmir, Hahn, and Gray seem to be slotted in the rotation with Graveman and Pomeranz (among others) fighting it out for the final 2 slots with Chavez. And yes Mike it could have been fatigue, or it could have been that the book was out on him and it was well read, which made him what he was prior to last season, a journeyman. There to fill in for an injury (oh no wait he was still that last season). Plus you have to consider that griffin or parker or both will return at some point next season. But who knows, I agree that is conjecture but it is not outside of the realm of reality. Now guyer, the next Alex Gordon... Can't believe the Rays have been hiding that gem in AAA for so long and not letting him spread his wings in the outfield of the Trop. That truly is a shame for him and them, who knows maybe they could have won a few titles if they had played such a monster talent... That being said he is a 4th OF, used to face lefties. I'm also aware of where McGuire ranks on prospect lists, but that does not correlate to a fantasy league that values hitting, and the guy cannot hit (See Zach Cozart and A. Simmons - how many points did those guys rack up last season?). He may hit one day, always a chance, he is young. But again, his glove is his calling card. So given the context of this league, his value is diminished. If this was a real life trade I can see the argument but as I see it, in this context this is what it adds up to

TB gets
Very good CI on good contract - has injury issues

CLE gets
1. Top 100 spec - glove first prospect, years away
2. Journey man #5 - long reliever type.
3. 29 year old - 4th OF, who as of this moment is set to be the short side of a platoon with John Jaso - as stated earlier
4. A non-spec - maybe he turns it around - but according to the information available to me, he is a fringy guy at best

Again, I don't think I am missing anything with these players - seems cut and dry and fairly objective, not subjective. I don't mean to insult anyone's opinion on players, but the overal picture of this deal tells me... in my subjective and objective eye - that the haul (or lack there of) is not enough for me to approve this deal

[NickF]

 :veto:

[Brian]

Wow the people that veto the trade why haven't u made a offer for him u guys think he is like the next trout out there. I have a player on my team who I don't even want I think him going to Boston is not going to matter I never liked him at all so I try and make 3 different trades first 2 trades maybe I could have got more u guys comp!aimed I didn't get a top prospect for him so I work out a trade with volt and then same thing happens again. So I guess I'll set him on my reserve not play him and wait till contract up and get 3 1st rd picks for him seeing he is that good in your guys eyes