Tiers Remodeled

[Colby]

All I am saying is that your caps will be reasonable without extreme deviation.  Often enough in baseball teams have projected payrolls (based on current staff only) that drop off significantly after the first year.

The Mets have the following contracts expiring in 2010
OF Dye, Jermaine, $11m (2010)
P Green, Sean, $0.5m (P-2010)
P Misch, Pat, $0.5m (P-2010)
X Redding, Tim, Released Under Contract, $2m in 2010
X Wood, Kerry, Cash from CLE for 2010, $-5.5m in 2010
P Wood, Kerry, $10.5m (2010)

Dye, Redding, and Wood will all certainly be gone which is $18m in total.  One of your best trade pieces is the most expensive in Santana, so I am sure you will be able to package him off with other expensive players and truly rebuild the Mets.

 

[Green]

Payrolls are not being lowered, and you inherited a fiscally bad team.  Dye hasn't retired yet as the White Sox are considering bringing him back.  You would only save $1m if you cut him. 

Now, the Mets cap is currently at $200m.  A 30% max min range would put you anywhere between $140m and $260m for 2011.  However, these cap formulas would guarantee you 75% of your 2010 cap though which is $150m.  You'll then get an additional 25% based on record.  If your Mets were the worst team again then they would like get about $25m on top of that putting you at $175m.  If they were the best then you would get about $62.5m on top of that giving you a total of $212.5m.  Therefore, your true range is about $175m to $212.5m, hardly anything to set off an alarm about.

It is absolutely something to set off an alarm about! Have you seen my lineup yet? I am at $161M right now (or somewhere close) with cap space of $39M. I don't have a set lineup yet. I need an OF, CI, C, and 2 SP. I don't have a single prospect. I need to keep some money available because I am drafting 1st in the Entry level draft with the 1st slot a $7M signing post (if I go for the best player) another first rounder, and 10 more picks. I don't see a way that I am not last right now...Alarms definitely...and this is definitely a lot of whining I know but the team is atleast two years from where I want it....it is just one vote but my vote is no for self-preservation sake.

[Colby]

You guys are killing me......the only way to get in some way competitive is to buy my way out of this payroll morass that I inherited and now you are going to lower my payroll and still make my pay for retired guys.....I wish the guy was really lazy then I wouldn't have so much work to do!!

Payrolls are not being lowered, and you inherited a fiscally bad team.  Dye hasn't retired yet as the White Sox are considering bringing him back.  You would only save $1m if you cut him. 

Now, the Mets cap is currently at $200m.  A 30% max min range would put you anywhere between $140m and $260m for 2011.  However, these cap formulas would guarantee you 75% of your 2010 cap though which is $150m.  You'll then get an additional 25% based on record.  If your Mets were the worst team again then they would like get about $25m on top of that putting you at $175m.  If they were the best then you would get about $62.5m on top of that giving you a total of $212.5m.  Therefore, your true range is about $175m to $212.5m, hardly anything to set off an alarm about.

[Green]

All I am saying is that the top three tiers (6 teams) would follow the old rules for one more year (2011) whereas the rest of the league would use the new cap formula.  This gives a couple big market teams such as the Phillies and Mets time to shed some contracts or not resign certain players.

For example, say the Mets (currently in tier #2) spend enough money in 2010 that would put them in to tier #4 for 2011.  Since they are one of the top three tiers in 2010, they will then have a cap of $125m.  The new rule would not apply to them no matter what.

You guys are killing me......the only way to get in some way competitive is to buy my way out of this payroll morass that I inherited and now you are going to lower my payroll and still make my pay for retired guys.....I wish the guy was really lazy then I wouldn't have so much work to do!!

[Colby]

Time to vote fellas 

[Colby]

Looks pretty good Colby.  I'd say we want to enforce MAX/MIN cap rooms as well, with something similar to what our current high and low's are (250/50, although maybe we could reduce the spread a little bit).

The max and min should be the max and min of the inflated three year averages of MLB total payrolls.  This would keep things realistic.  BTW, the 20% extra is thrown in there as a buffer in case teams would like to spend more.  Remember, there is a benefit for a team to spend less as it grants more RFA privileges and revenue sharing.

[Canada8999]

Looks pretty good Colby.  I'd say we want to enforce MAX/MIN cap rooms as well, with something similar to what our current high and low's are (250/50, although maybe we could reduce the spread a little bit).

[Colby]

By looking at past total salaries, the largest fluctuations appear to be the following.

Angels
    * 2004: $100,534,667
    * 2003: $ 79,031,667
    * 2002: $ 61,721,667
    * 2001: $ 47,735,167

They had increase of about 25-30% each year in that span.

Athletics
    * 2009: $ 62,310,000
    * 2008: $ 47,967,126
    * 2007: $ 79,366,940
    * 2006: $ 62,242,079

They had about a 30% increase, followed by a 40% decrease and then another 30% increase.

Blue Jays
    * 2006: $ 71,915,000
    * 2005: $ 45,719,500

That is about a 60% increase from 2005 to 2006.

Brewers
    * 2006: $ 57,568,333
    * 2005: $ 39,934,833
    * 2004: $ 27,528,500

50% increases

Indians
    * 2003: $ 48,584,834
    * 2002: $ 78,909,499
    * 2001: $ 93,360,000

20-35% drops

Marlins
    * 2007: $ 30,507,000
    * 2006: $ 14,998,500
    * 2005: $ 60,408,834

Ridiculous 75% drop follow by a 100% increase.

I just skimmed through half the teams and outside the Marlins, a common figure appears to be 30%.  I would say set the bounds of a drop or increase to 30%.

[lp815]

Agreed, I'd support the min/max change per year also.  What kind of figures did you have in mind, Ben?

[Colby]

I like the max change instead of grandfathering.  It is simple for all parties involved and is intuitive for any team.