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Title: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: ldsjayhawk on November 19, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
:KC: places the following players on Irrevocable Outright Waivers:
Vin Mazzaro
Sean O'Sullivan
Brayan Pena
Kila Ka'aihue
Kevin Pucetas

and the following on Unconditional Release Waivers:
Jessie Chavez
Robinson Tejeda
Mitch Maier

from Omaha
Jeff Suppan
Cody Clark

Willy Lebron
Ryan Eigsti
Zach Miner
Harold Mozingo
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 19, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
The Marlins are putting in a claim for Kila Ka'aihue and for Vin Mazzaro.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 20, 2011, 01:44:42 PM
Blue Jays would like to make a claim for Mazzaro, O'Sullivan, and Kah'aihiue
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Drew on November 20, 2011, 11:24:15 PM
The Mets will put a claim in on Vin Mazzaro
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 21, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
I looked through the constitution and didn't see anything on the number of hours teams have to put in a claim, is it 24 or 48?
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: ldsjayhawk on November 21, 2011, 08:16:28 AM
"Other organizations have 48 hours to make a claim."
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 21, 2011, 02:41:27 PM
"Other organizations have 48 hours to make a claim."

Guess I can't read lol
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: SpiritWind on November 21, 2011, 02:48:14 PM

 With all these "Claims", looks like it is something that
 Kenny is going to have to unravel when he comes back !?
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 21, 2011, 04:56:09 PM
With all these "Claims", looks like it is something that
 Kenny is going to have to unravel when he comes back !?

Not that tough?

Mets have the worst record, so would have first dibs on Mazzaro
Then the Marlins have the next best, so they'd get Kila
Then I was the only one to put a bid in on O'Sullivan, so he's mine.


Makes sense, no?
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: ldsjayhawk on November 21, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
Wow!  Didn't know there was going to be so much interest!  @BrewCrew: no biggie...easy to miss :thumbsup:

The :KC: Royals reassign the following to Omaha (AAA):

Brayan Pena
Kevin Pucetas

Thanks,
Cris



Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 21, 2011, 07:49:48 PM
Not that tough?

Mets have the worst record, so would have first dibs on Mazzaro
Then the Marlins have the next best, so they'd get Kila
Then I was the only one to put a bid in on O'Sullivan, so he's mine.


Makes sense, no?
Actually the Marlins had the worst record 72-90
Mets went 77-85

Marlins would get both Mazzaro and Kila
BlueJays get O'sullivan.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 21, 2011, 08:30:08 PM
Actually the Marlins had the worst record 72-90
Mets went 77-85

Marlins would get both Mazzaro and Kila
BlueJays get O'sullivan.

Yes, I just clearly can't read today  :o

However, in the same claiming period (which would reset monthly), the team should go to the end of the line, no?
Otherwise the worst teams could get all the players.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 21, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Yes, I just clearly can't read today  :o

However, in the same claiming period (which would reset monthly), the team should go to the end of the line, no?
Otherwise the worst teams could get all the players.
According to page 9 of the constitution
Waivers Priority Order
The order in which organization may claim players off waivers is by winning percentage,
beginning with the lowest. Waivers during the off-season will use the previous season’s winning
percentage. The order is not reset if an organization makes a waiver claim.

I believe the idea is to help build the worst teams.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 21, 2011, 08:54:59 PM
According to page 9 of the constitution
Waivers Priority Order
The order in which organization may claim players off waivers is by winning percentage,
beginning with the lowest. Waivers during the off-season will use the previous season’s winning
percentage. The order is not reset if an organization makes a waiver claim.

I believe the idea is to help build the worst teams.

Ah, nvm then, he gets both!  :judge:
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Drew on November 24, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
According to page 9 of the constitution
Waivers Priority Order
The order in which organization may claim players off waivers is by winning percentage,
beginning with the lowest. Waivers during the off-season will use the previous season’s winning
percentage. The order is not reset if an organization makes a waiver claim.

I believe the idea is to help build the worst teams.
That sort of sucks but oh well. I would have liked to have been rotating then Marlins would have gotten their first guy listed then I would have gotten Mazzorno.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Eric on November 28, 2011, 04:56:33 AM
According to page 9 of the constitution
Waivers Priority Order
The order in which organization may claim players off waivers is by winning percentage,
beginning with the lowest. Waivers during the off-season will use the previous season’s winning
percentage. The order is not reset if an organization makes a waiver claim.

I believe the idea is to help build the worst teams.

I dont really like this rule. As in the "crappy" teams would always get the picks. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 28, 2011, 10:57:36 PM
I dont really like this rule. As in the "crappy" teams would always get the picks. Just my 2 cents.

You are dropping someone from your 40 man roster for someone you believe is better,correct...Do you really believe that the "crappy" teams will have such a great advantage due to that.  If you have someone you believe is going to make such a huge difference, why would you want to remove them?
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: BrewCrew on November 28, 2011, 11:12:56 PM
You are dropping someone from your 40 man roster for someone you believe is better,correct...Do you really believe that the "crappy" teams will have such a great advantage due to that.  If you have someone you believe is going to make such a huge difference, why would you want to remove them?

The worst team gets first dibs at ANYONE dropped, that's not an advantage?
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 29, 2011, 12:27:01 AM
The worst team gets first dibs at ANYONE dropped, that's not an advantage?

By all means it is an advantage, but the team is still "crappy," I was saying that this should not make a difference in whether you have a playoff contender or another pretender. This may help the team in the future years or possibly in a stat temporarily.  From what I get, this league is about competitive balance. That is why each of us get $125M for payroll.  For a couple of years it will take awhile to get the competitive balance straightened out.  Remember the Constituition is a constantly evolving document that changes with the needs of the league.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Lindner on November 29, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
The system is what it is right now, but I just want to throw this in there right now:  As far as THIS year goes, I think the order shouldn't be the team's records from last year, but the order in which we pick in the amateur draft.  That makes a lot more sense to me for this particular year. ..... Of course after this year is over, it would go back to using the record.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 29, 2011, 12:47:25 AM
The system is what it is right now, but I just want to throw this in there right now:  As far as THIS year goes, I think the order shouldn't be the team's records from last year, but the order in which we pick in the amateur draft.  That makes a lot more sense to me for this particular year. ..... Of course after this year is over, it would go back to using the record.

That wouldn't be all that bad except the Yankees would have the 5th best chance.  That is the only problem with that.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Eric on November 29, 2011, 01:16:58 AM
But I think we could set it after a set amount of acquisitions that some other teams get a chance.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Lindner on November 29, 2011, 01:27:40 AM
Personally, I think the rule as it currently stands is a little fishy, but it is what it is for now.  I think that it should be something like:

Reverse standings is awarded the player they claim, but after they make their claim, the go to the back of the line.
Then you can reset the waiver order back to reverse standings every month or so. 

It doesn't really matter to me anyhow.  I'm not sure how they actually do it in real life either.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Eric on November 29, 2011, 01:50:42 AM
Personally, I think the rule as it currently stands is a little fishy, but it is what it is for now.  I think that it should be something like:

Reverse standings is awarded the player they claim, but after they make their claim, the go to the back of the line.
Then you can reset the waiver order back to reverse standings every month or so. 

It doesn't really matter to me anyhow.  I'm not sure how they actually do it in real life either.

I like that idea!
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: ldsjayhawk on November 29, 2011, 03:42:12 AM
The process actually follows MLB pretty closely.  The main difference is that waivers are revocable in MLB, meaning a team retains claim to the player until the 48 hours expires and if a team puts in a claim, can attempt to make a trade with the claiming team.  The other difference is all of the teams in the same league have priority over those in the opposite league.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/22/2378124/so-you-want-to-understand-mlbs-august-waiver-period

This same thing happened in MLB this year when the Pirates claimed Brandon Wood and then 5 days later claimed Xavier Paul.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: ldsjayhawk on November 29, 2011, 03:43:33 AM
btw, I assume there are no revocable waivers in this league, right?
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Lindner on November 29, 2011, 04:04:35 AM
I suppose I do like the current MLB way now the more that I think about it.  It makes sense.

Its not like any team is going to drop someone that is valuable..  (in theory)
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: snbts on November 29, 2011, 02:08:21 PM
btw, I assume there are no revocable waivers in this league, right?
Yes you are correct
Irrevocable Outright Waivers
A team that wishes to remove a player from the 40-man roster and place him in the minor
league system first needs to place him on irrevocable outright waivers. The team may not pull
him back if another team claims the player. Other organizations have 48 hours to make a claim.

You know this discussion is really good.  I believe this is what Kenny intended when he created this league.  He wanted this to be the best. I dont know if we can change the rules for future years but this is the type of discussions I am assuming he was looking for to help form this league.
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: Eric on November 29, 2011, 03:10:35 PM
:iatp:
Title: Re: KC Royals - Releases
Post by: kenny on December 10, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
Processed at Transactions #289-307.

The intent of the rules was 1. to mirror MLB as closely as possibly and 2. to maintain competitiveness. Another thing to keep in mind is that when people selected teams, they selected them with the current set of rules in mind. I am hesitant about changing rules mid-stream.

With that being said, I am open to change if it meets the 2 intents mentioned above. Feel free to continue this discussion on the main forum.