Off Season Poll #2 (2nd Franchise Tag)

[Vik]

Keeping the options simple yes or no but do feel free to comment if there is a different proposal you want to toss I am all ears. Original poll and discussion was useful and and there was some favor to start only in 2022 off season, but I think because we still have plenty of time I'd rather see this take into effect this year should there be enough support and give the immediate option to everyone (Looking at current FA crop, I could see a couple teams using it this offseason). There was also objections so I hope we can get close to full feedback at least on the vote and hopefully make decision one way or another. Mid/late July right around real life playoffs ending is tentative goal to make decision.

Current regular franchise tag is here for reference: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=376222.0

Refresher of the exact proposal and breakdown below:


Proposed Tier 2 Franchise Tag (50% of regular tag)

We allow a 2nd tag based on player's primary position that is exactly 50% of regular tag, with the catch that player must be outside of top 10 for the specific position based on Fantrax ranks last 2 seasons. We use sportac.com as our source of truth for primary position and this is also taken into account for picking the Fantrax position, so there is no overlap on any potions. FA have been updated on spreadsheet and you can check for the primary position on players, but also good to double check sportac in case there is discrepancy.

Very simply put a non RFA player ranked top 10 and expiring is eligible to be kept at existing tag any given off season. Same idea but for anyone ranked 11 or greater can be kept at discount tag as show below for current values.


PG Value: $16.1m

SG Value: $14.7m

SF Value: $12.0m

PF Value: $12.8m

C Value: $13.0m



We now have full season of data for this year to use so here is how things look. Just to quickly add context italicized guys are those who appear both years but as long as they are top 10 in 1 of the past 2 years they are inelgible for 2nd tag. Players ranking 11-15 also added just to add more context as they would be eligible.


2020-2021 top 10 per position

PG

Luka Doncic
Terry Rozier
Fred VanVleet
Kyrie Irving
Stephen Curry
Damian Lillard
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
De'Aaron Fox
Malcolm Brogdon

11-15: Dejounte Murray, Trae Young, Jordan Clarkson, Lonzo Ball, Delon Wright


SG

Anthony Edwards (Great rookie season but surprising to see him 1st)
Jaylen Brown
Jrue Holiday
Paul George
Buddy Hield
Zach LaVine
Bradley Beal
James Harden
RJ Barrett
Donovan Mitchell

11-15: Norman Powell, Devin Booker, Dillon Brooks, CJ McCollum, Danny Green


SF

Andrew Wiggins
Mikal Bridges
Kyle Anderson
Tobias Harris
Kawhi Leonard
Khris Middleton
Brandon Ingram
Michael Porter
Jimmy Butler
Justin Holiday

11-15: Lebron James, Miles Bridges, Jae'Sean Tate, Harrison Barnes, Kelly Oubre Jr.


PF

Jayson Tatum
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Julius Randle
Kelly Olynyk
P.J. Washington
Bam Adebayo
Robert Covington
Domantas Sabonis
Pascal Siakam
Chris Boucher

11-15: Jerami Grant, John Collins, Zion Williamson, Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis
 
C

Nikola Vucevic
Nikola Jokic
Karl-Anthony Towns
Joel Embiid
Brook Lopez
Clint Capela
Rudy Gobert
Richaun Holmes
Deandre Ayton
Jonas Valanciunas
Jarrett Allen

11-15:  Jarrett Allen, Naz Reid, Myles Turner, Jakob Poeltl, Daniel Theis



2019-2020 top 10 per position (cut off March 11th due to pandemic impact)

PG

Damian Lillard
Luka Doncic
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Trae Young
Chris Paul
Kyle Lowry
Russell Westbrook
Devonte' Graham
Terry Rozier
Kemba Walker

11-15: Marcus Smart, Spencer Dinwiddie, Ben Simmons, Fred VanVleet, Jamal Murray


SG

James Harden
Zach LaVine
Bradley Beal
Jrue Holiday
CJ McCollum
Donovan Mitchell
Buddy Hield
Devin Booker
Evan Fournier
Terrence Ross

11-15: Alec Burks, Dillon Brooks, Marcus Morris, Paul George, DeMar DeRozan


SF

LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Kelly Oubre Jr.
Andrew Wiggins
Jimmy Butler
Will Barton
Khris Middleton
Davis Bertans

11-15: Miles Bridges, T.J. Warren, Jae Crowder, OG Anunoby, Harrison Barnes


PF

Jayson Tatum
Anthony Davis
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Robert Covington
Pascal Siakam
Bam Adebayo
LaMarcus Aldridge
Al Horford
Jaren Jackson
Aaron Gordon

11-15: Kevin Love, Nemanja Bjelica, Danilo Gallinari , Julius Randle, Domantas Sabonis

 
C

Nikola Jokic
Nikola Vucevic
Andre Drummond
Karl-Anthony Towns
Brook Lopez
Joel Embiid
Rudy Gobert
Myles Turner
Jonas Valanciunas
Hassan Whiteside

11-15:  Steven Adams, Jarrett Allen, Mitchell Robinson, Daniel Theis, Tristan Thompson

[Vik]

6 yes and 2 no here currently. Would be great to get a couple more votes before making final decision within the next week or 2.

[Vik]

at 8-2 in favor, this is going to pass starting immediately this offseason.