Mets/Twins Trade

[chicubs33]

See thats why I have a problem with this trade...he could have gotten more for the quality of players he was given up no matter what the cap relief was. Yes maybe Arcia will be a decent player but he's also a corner OF...plenty of those guys around the league. Usually the team taking on the salary is giving up the better prospects and is ready to win now...that isnt happening in this deal. Trade wasnt worth it IMO, obviously im the only one that thinks so.

[Lindner]

See thats why I have a problem with this trade...he could have gotten more for the quality of players he was given up no matter what the cap relief was. Yes maybe Arcia will be a decent player but he's also a corner OF...plenty of those guys around the league. Usually the team taking on the salary is giving up the better prospects and is ready to win now...that isnt happening in this deal. Trade wasnt worth it IMO, obviously im the only one that thinks so.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to take on contracts and and give up prospects, but that's okay with me.

[chicubs33]

What contract did i take on Nolasco? If you look at the contracts i got rid of before you factor in the money i kicked in with it, i got rid of $90M and took on roughly $25M. After all is said and done i still saved over $30M...im sry but i dont see the problem in that deal.

[snbts]

Could we please keep this thread to deal strictly with the Mets/Twins trade?

[chicubs33]

Just trying to explain my reason for not liking it

[Lindner]

I was referring the this quote, not your trade...

Usually the team taking on the salary is giving up the better prospects and is ready to win now...that isnt happening in this deal.

It doesn't make sense to me, but that's okay.  Obviously we different perspectives on this.

[chicubs33]

Teams taking on high contract players generally do so bc they believe they're getting the better deal in the short term. They're willing to give up a little of the future to win now and aren't concerned as much about the money if it translates to more wins. A team like the Twins taking on roughly $30M to pick up some prospects is odd to me...a team that has more money available from year to year makes this trade more reasonable to me. I guess when you said you were trying to rebuild is where i got thrown off. Both the Mets and Twins are trying to rebuild so having Jason Bay involved in a deal where no money is going along with him is questionable IMO...if everyone else in the league is cool with it then so am I. Just not the way I would have done it.

[Daniel]

@chicubs. What makes that trade so great in comparison to this one? They are equally fair. On that trade you got rid of 30m , but over three years and committing 36m from your cap room during those three years to pay for a player not on your team.

You cleared 14m in 2012, 8m in 2013 and 10m in 2014. A notable achievement, yes.
But, I am clearing 14m in 2012 and 16m in 2013 without committing a single dollar from my cap. That looks pretty good to me as well and gives my team the added flexibility it needs.

Nice that you got Gaby Sanchez and Scott Cousins, but you also gave much more value than what I am giving away here. Keep in mind that you traded away arguably the top RP in baseball in Marmol. Soriano produces more than Bay *even though his contract is even crappier* and Zambrano may produce if he actually decides to pitch rather than get angry.

I believe that deal you made was undoubtedly fair, but also that it is not as different from this one as you keep saying. Just because you don't believe Arcia is any good does not make dozens of scouts wrong. I for one would pick Arcia over Cousins. And even though Plouffe is currently worthless, stranger things have happened. Jose Bautista was just as worthless two and a half years ago, and look where he is now. Sometimes all a guy needs is an opportunity to hit every day to explode. Plouffe has a lot of raw power and I like that.

[chicubs33]

Scot Cousins is your arguement? The deal was done bc i saved $30M+ and still got back Gaby Sanchez and Ricky Nolasco...don't care what years the money was spread over. And you said Arcia is one of the best OF prospects in baseball...yes he is, after the other 25 OF's ahead of him. Also Marmol will be lucky to hold onto his closers job...how often do closers with no control make it more than a couple seasons in that role and to go along with that he was gonna make $17M. Apparently im the only one who doesnt like it so be happy.

[Daniel]

Can we get some votes on this trade to see what's going on? Thanks