Author Topic: Best Available GOAT  (Read 2580 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline GypsieDeathBringer

  • MVP
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jun 2011
  • Posts: 3243
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :DAL:
    • :ORL:
    • :PIT-NHL:
    • :Pittsburgh:
    • :blank:
    • View Profile
Best Available GOAT
« on: January 30, 2023, 10:24:50 AM »
The following will be long and probably interest only 1 person.  But, instead of putting my time into doing my power rankings I've been doing some stat stuff instead.  I had this idea to figure out who was the best hockey player ever and I hated seeing how other people tried to compare players across eras.  To me there is only one way to do it. 

I started with looking at each NHL year individually starting in 1967.  I don't count records or stats that involve less than 10 teams. Why compare Bobby Orr directly to Lidstrom?  Why not compare Bobby Orr to his peers then Lidstrom to his. Then compare that comparison!  Using 1967 as an example I got the stats for every player.  Found the average amount of games played for the league.  Deleted all the players that did not play equal to or more than that average because, in my opinion, the greatest skill a player can have is availability. Wayne Gretzky is great, but if he only plays 30 games in a season it isn't very great.  Now that we have that new subset I found the average goals scored by those players, as well as the average amount of assists, and the average "True +/-".  The True +/- is regular +/- with PP points added to it.  This gives a truer representation of a players impact on the ice.  PP time is just as important as 5v5 time.  Then with each of those averages I compared every player against it.  For example the average goals scored by players playing more than the average amount of games in 1967 was 12.88.  If a player scored 30 goals they would get a factor 2.33.  They scored 2.33 times the average player.  This was done for every player across every year.  Then I added up all those factors for each player to find out who had the best career.

The very best available GOAT was Jaromir Jagr!  Gretzky was a close 2nd.

The best goal scoring year ever was Brett Hull in 90-91 where he scored 6.5 times more than the average

Greatest assist season was Gretzky's 85-86 season where he dished 6.2 times more than the average

The most impactful on ice presence for a year was Bobby Orr in 70-71 where he was on the ice for 38 times more goals for than against compared to the average

If you were to pick any one player from any one year to have the greatest season it would be Mario Lemieux.  His average year was better than everyone else.  Injuries didn't allow him to have the best career though. 

I am supper happy with the results.  It is a great mix of players across all eras.  It really seems to be a good way to compare players.  In my opinion you don't need Corsi or PDO or any other fancy stat to compare what players did.  A player either scored the goal or didn't.  They either assisted or didn't.  They were either a positive influence on the ice or they weren't.  All other stats should be used as predictive of future success, but the real stats for GOATs are the ones that actually won and lost games. 

If you are bored and want to noodle around in the stats here is a link.  You are better off downloading it and using Excel.  Google sheets does not like what I did.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KDPzzRaxCuj4K6XvSNS7R8gDZ_y_JSHi/edit?usp=share_link&ouid=115945690041520278334&rtpof=true&sd=true


Also, if you want to tell me how wrong I am in my process, please do.  I am here for that as well.
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
2011-12 Dynasty NHL Champion :CAR-NHL:
[Dynasty NHL :PIT-NHL:]
[ProFSL Dynasty Hockey :PIT-NHL:]

 

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • Braves155: Replied
    Today at 10:36:24 AM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm back at u
    Today at 10:53:31 AM
  • Daddy: What he said. Pm sent
    Today at 12:13:54 PM
  • Braves155: PM again Indiansnation
    Today at 12:43:44 PM
  • Daddy: A message to our newest members: its easy to get lost in information. Ive brought people on profsl and had to teach them how to post and move on the site.
    Today at 12:54:00 PM
  • Daddy: Sometimes that takes a couple days, sometimes weeks, sometimes months. The only requirement of being a LIVE GM is effort & participation. Not necessarily trading but the operations of your franchise.
    Today at 12:55:34 PM
  • Daddy: Retain players, acquire players in FA, manage your cap, dont feel pressure but take your time & learn, grow in dynasty fantasy by maximum observation and minimum nerves.
    Today at 12:57:44 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm
    Today at 12:59:55 PM
  • Braves155: Replied
    Today at 01:00:59 PM
  • Daddy: Take time grasshopper(s) to absorb it all and move at your own pace like these two knucklehead's.
    Today at 01:02:03 PM
  • Daddy: Not being able to come immediately on profsl and function isnt a knock on your intelligence. This site is 271 years old. We can teach ya how to navigate it. What we cant teach you is passion for sports. Casual fans need not apply. Thats what draft kings is for.
    Today at 01:07:29 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm
    Today at 01:08:12 PM
  • Braves155: Replied
    Today at 01:11:58 PM
  • Daddy: Every new member to the site we are somewhere chanting "ONE OF US! ONE OF US!" ONE OF US!" -We are an exclusive bunch. The best fantasy GMs on the planet play here.
    Today at 01:25:20 PM
  • Daddy: And if you are a current member.. and you arent in a LIVE league... What is it you could possibly be looking for HERE on a dynasty fantasy platform... That LIVE DOESNT HAVE? What does your profsl league do better or offer that LIVE does not?
    Today at 01:31:49 PM
  • Daddy: You like being part of the committees? Try being a mod. You like the entertainment of your league chat???? What brings you here? If its not the love of sports and wanting to be entertained in a well run league, then why do you come here at all?
    Today at 01:33:46 PM
  • Braves155: Back again indiansnation
    Today at 01:41:07 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm
    Today at 01:43:36 PM
  • Daddy: Join us. Compete. See what all the fuss is about. See why everything we post gets 1000 views. See for yourself. Name your sport. Come whup me. Come whup us.
    Today at 01:43:53 PM
  • Daddy: If Brian can do this... Anyone can.
    Today at 01:44:56 PM
  • Daddy: Brian is a contender for a LIVE baseball championship today. From ten years of sheer force of will and effort.
    Today at 01:46:14 PM
  • indiansnation: @daddy bite me
    Today at 01:46:36 PM
  • Daddy: Consider yourself bitten old friend.
    Today at 01:47:08 PM
  • Daddy: It was like training a baby seal... But we got you there.
    Today at 01:48:02 PM
  • Daddy: Now (I can't believe im saying this) Brian is a pretty damn good GM.
    Today at 01:51:52 PM
  • indiansnation: Stlblues pm
    Today at 01:54:13 PM
  • Braves155: Replied indiansnation
    Today at 01:55:08 PM
  • Braves155: Daddy might be about to knock Brian silly
    Today at 01:55:50 PM
  • Daddy: Nope. Ive always let him be himself. Ive had trades i negotiated in good faith vetoed by people who didn't want to lose.
    Today at 01:58:23 PM
  • Braves155: He's dealing me Crosby :-)
    Today at 01:59:12 PM
  • Daddy: How are YOU my competition going to determine value for ME and the person im trading with? Daduq???
    Today at 01:59:13 PM
  • Daddy: Because you dont like the value. Well who gives a Crap if you like it? It's not your deal.
    Today at 02:00:05 PM
  • Daddy: Coach Crosby getting dealt? This i gotta see.
    Today at 02:01:20 PM
  • Braves155: STLBlues, I didn't forget ya. I'll respond in short order
    Today at 02:02:34 PM
  • Daddy: Trade committee is there for competitive balance? Look at every league that has one. How balanced are they?
    Today at 02:02:53 PM
  • Daddy: Corey created that Crap for that exact purpose. To control who got what. And everyone copied it. Everywhere.
    Today at 02:04:00 PM
  • Daddy: I tried to tell them. Im still trying to tell them. What's the word im looking for????? Oh i know... "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh".
    Today at 02:06:43 PM
  • indiansnation: Crosby on the move in nhl live
    Today at 02:07:34 PM
  • Daddy: There is a league out there. In your favorite sport. Where nobody gonna hold you back. Wont be no disadvantages. No cheating. No waiting.
    Today at 02:11:49 PM
  • Daddy: It ends in "LIVE" and however good we make it sound, its actually better than that.
    Today at 02:12:23 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 trade posted
    Today at 02:12:36 PM
  • Daddy: Ask someone with LIVE on their profile.
    Today at 02:13:32 PM
  • Daddy: In 3 days.. Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, Tomas Hertl all found new teams. We are just getting started in hockey.
    Today at 02:33:40 PM
  • Braves155: Who the next big name to move?
    Today at 02:42:40 PM
  • Daddy: I can look at you guys profiles and tell who loves what sports. You ever looked at profile teams? Interesting.
    Today at 04:48:36 PM
  • indiansnation: Bigdon pm
    Today at 04:49:17 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Is @dbreer still on the road? Got a trade offer for him
    Today at 05:06:19 PM
  • Daddy: Man's on vacation. Season starts in August. The Professor will return. He is always on fantrax and gets DMs there as well.
    Today at 05:15:54 PM
  • Braves155: EstcoastGonzo...when you are on, I PM'd ya on our earlier talks
    Today at 05:18:18 PM
  • STLBlues91: Ill be around the rest of the day
    Today at 05:21:33 PM