giants and angels trade

[ldsjayhawk]

 :iatp:

I'll start this off by saying I don't veto trades unless it is collusive or it just completely guts a team.  In this trade, neither is the case.  When you add that you can get some steals in the 5-10 rounds (I was surprised some of the MLBers drafted after round 5 just from '05-'07) and that all he has to do is hit on one or two of the picks to recoup decent value, I'd say it is not as bad as it seems now, although I concur that Ryu for $7m is a great deal.  I'd love to take that kind of payroll of people's hands.

[mgzd]

Since I was asked if I approve, I say yes, I do.

[Brian]

Its a win for me if trade is veto because come next season when i lose all my young arb players and fa because i cant sign them because i cant sign them ill beable to get the first pick in draft for. 2or 3 years.  At least ill have built my minors up. The only problem will be ill only have a 24 man roster

[chriscvc]

While it is a horribly misguided trade, I'll approve. 

[Fitzy1962]

First, the McCutchen trade was complicated however what I gave up and what I received is very easy to determine which was the point of my comparison.  Second, the Flowers/Reed trade was insane value and I would have vetoed if it if not for two very significant differences with your current trade.  The White Sox had listed Flowers and Reed on their trade block for months and they've been actively trying to trade them for a very long time.  That's hardly the case with the Giants.  The White Sox are also in a full rebuild so there's value in trading those players even if they don't get good value in return.  The Giants have plenty of time to post those players on their trade block and get better value in return. 

I don't think anyone can reasonably claim that 4th, 5th, and 6th round draft picks are equitable value for two major league starters making $400k per.

Chris, ALL of your trades are complicated and yet you always manage to throw up the "veto" on EVERYONE else's deals.

That rediculous trade you made 2 years ago involving 6 teams,trading entire rosters, all the international money and all the prospects was the most retarded trade I have ever seen and should NEVER have been allowed.

It was a total joke. ALL your trades look like that and yet you are always the one poo-pooing everyone else.

 :iatp:

[chrisetc21]

Chris, ALL of your trades are complicated and yet you always manage to throw up the "veto" on EVERYONE else's deals.

That rediculous trade you made 2 years ago involving 6 teams,trading entire rosters, all the international money and all the prospects was the most retarded trade I have ever seen and should NEVER have been allowed.

It was a total joke. ALL your trades look like that and yet you are always the one poo-pooing everyone else.

 :iatp:

Nice job discussing the trade at hand.  You're quite the intellect.

[Fitzy1962]

I really get sick and tired of trades getting veto'd in this league. And it's always the same people doing the vetoing. Of course, they are the same ones pulling off all of the most complicated trades in the league.

That is nothing more than being hypocritical and dishonest, looking for yet another edge...or cheating, as I call it.

I agree with the comment made, that trades should never be veto'd unless there is collusion suspected, like that rediculous trade that took place 2 seasons ago.

Now THAT trade should have been veto'd. I also noticed there was no league email asking for votes on the recent McCutcheon trade...I wonder why?

This has been a problem in this league all along; just a few people controlling the entire league by colluding to keep others from improving their own teams through trades, as they see fit.

And I'd be willing to state that for this reason, we have to replace so many owners every single year. With 30 teams, we cannot have 2 or 3 people deciding who gets to make trades and who doesn't.

It is not  the responsibility of the league monitors or the "trade committee" to prevent people from making trades, or to judge if it is good for their teams or not...that's not your judgement to make.

Some of you act as though you are "educating" the rest of us and that is simply not the case. Those are your OPINIONS and not based on anything other than your own conjecture.

We've got one of these people who does nothing but lose on purpose so he can collect draft-picks and prospects to no end,never winning or even attempting to win. The McCutcheon trade a perfect example.

I've been in this league going on 4 years. Every year it's the same thing with all these vetos by only a few of the 30 people playing the game, blocking trades and "educating" those involved on why you feel the trade isn't good for either team...give it a rest.

[chrisetc21]

I really get sick and tired of trades getting veto'd in this league. And it's always the same people doing the vetoing. Of course, they are the same ones pulling off all of the most complicated trades in the league.

That is nothing more than being hypocritical and dishonest, looking for yet another edge...or cheating, as I call it.

I agree with the comment made, that trades should never be veto'd unless there is collusion suspected, like that rediculous trade that took place 2 seasons ago.

Now THAT trade should have been veto'd. I also noticed there was no league email asking for votes on the recent McCutcheon trade...I wonder why?

This has been a problem in this league all along; just a few people controlling the entire league by colluding to keep others from improving their own teams through trades, as they see fit.

And I'd be willing to state that for this reason, we have to replace so many owners every single year. With 30 teams, we cannot have 2 or 3 people deciding who gets to make trades and who doesn't.

It is not  the responsibility of the league monitors or the "trade committee" to prevent people from making trades, or to judge if it is good for their teams or not...that's not your judgement to make.

Some of you act as though you are "educating" the rest of us and that is simply not the case. Those are your OPINIONS and not based on anything other than your own conjecture.

We've got one of these people who does nothing but lose on purpose so he can collect draft-picks and prospects to no end,never winning or even attempting to win. The McCutcheon trade a perfect example.

I've been in this league going on 4 years. Every year it's the same thing with all these vetos by only a few of the 30 people playing the game, blocking trades and "educating" those involved on why you feel the trade isn't good for either team...give it a rest.

If you don't understand your role in approving and vetoing trades and why that's important then maybe you should find another league.  You're bitter because some of your trades were vetoed and you've used your own veto to shit all over perfectly reasonable trades.  You are the most vindictive, whining owner we've ever had in this league.  This isn't about the "rest of us", it's about you and your constant butthurt.  It's you being a loud mouthed clown accusing me of cheating, laughably so.  You should just "give it a rest" or better yet go find a league that better fits what you're looking for and spare us your temper tantrum, unhinged rants about nothing important.

[ldsjayhawk]

Gentlemen, I respectfully request you take your side discussion offline.  This is the place to discuss the value of this particular trade, not a long standing feud between the two of you.

[chrisetc21]

5 Approvals
1 Veto

Trade passes.