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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2020, 03:08:57 PM »
Is there a place where the changes are posted?

It sounds like these are tweaks.  I think if you're going to make changes, the changes need to encompass the whole scoring system and should start by determining what kind of balance there should be in the system.  The guys who set up FGM put a lot of time into crafting the scoring rules and I think we really want to put some analysis into a new system.  Personally, I would like to see pitching points raised, but I would also like to see the penalities in the system significantly reduced.

I really like the idea of running a league with the proposed scoring system to test it.

That is exactly what my proposed changes did :toast:
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2020, 09:21:14 PM »
Is there a place to see the changes?
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2020, 02:12:48 AM »
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Scoring Group   Scoring Category     Position                          Points

Hitting                     Assists (A)                                        Default                        2
Hitting        Assists by Outfielders (AOF)                             Default                6
Hitting         At Bats (AB)                                Default                                -10
Hitting      Catcher Interference (Hitter) (CI)             Default                         10
Hitting         Caught Stealing (CS)                        Default                             -6
Hitting     Caught Stealing Against (CSA)                   Default                         4
Hitting         Doubles (2B)                                   Default                             36
Hitting           Errors (E)                                        Default                          -16
Hitting        Games Played (GP)                           Default                              0
Hitting      Grounded Into Double Plays (GIDP)          Default                        -10
Hitting        Hit By Pitches (HBP)                          Default                             20
Hitting             Hits (H)                                     Default                               10
Hitting        Home Runs (HR)                             Default                              54
Hitting      Intentional Walks (IBB)                     Default                                3
Hitting          Putouts (PO)                                  Default                              0
Hitting           Corner Infield                                                                   0.5
Hitting          Middle Infield                                                                       1
Hitting             Outfield                                                                            1
Hitting    Runs Batted In (RBI)                          Default                                3
Hitting      Runs Scored (R)                              Default                               3
Hitting       Sacrifice Flies (SF)                          Default                               6
Hitting      Sacrifice Hits (SH)                           Default                                6
Hitting          Singles (1B)                                Default                               24
Hitting          Stolen Bases (SB)                        Default                               12
Hitting           Triples (3B)                                Default                              48
Hitting            Walks (BB)                               Default                               20

Pitching            Blown Saves (BS)                     Default                              -3
Pitching   Caught Stealing Against (CSA)            Default                              4
Pitching      Earned Runs Allowed (ER)               Default                               -3
Pitching        Games Started (GS)                      Default                              0
Pitching      Ground Balls Allowed (GB)                Default                             0.75
Pitching   Grounded Into Double Plays Against (GIDP)  Default                      3
Pitching       Hit Batsmen (HB)                           Default                              -2
Pitching       Hits Allowed (H)                            Default                               -2
Pitching           Holds (HLD)                               Default                            4.8
Pitching   ** Home Runs Allowed (HR)                   Default                              -2
Pitching    Inherited Runners Stranded (IRS)       Default                               2
Pitching       Innings Pitched (IP)                       Default                              12
Pitching           Losses (L)                                Default                                -5
Pitching           Quality Starts (QS)                     Default                             12
Pitching               Saves (SV)                           Default                              6.4
Pitching       Strikeouts Pitched (K)                    Default                               4
Pitching       Walks Allowed (BB)                        Default                               -2
Pitching               Wins (W)                              Default                             10
Pitching    Extra Base Hits Allowed (XBHA)         Default                             -5

** Each Home Run allowed is actually -9 Doubles & Triples -7 and Singles -2
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2020, 09:43:06 AM »
This absolutely destroys the scoring system originally put in place, which I think is unnecessary.  Skills have been eliminated (GB) and replaced by luck (W-L).  I am against this system.
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2020, 11:20:11 AM »
Iím not big on wins and losses either as a stat.
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2020, 04:06:41 PM »
This absolutely destroys the scoring system originally put in place, which I think is unnecessary.  Skills have been eliminated (GB) and replaced by luck (W-L).  I am against this system.

I originally included W-L becuase I thought that it would increase reliever's ppg, but upon further review and number tweaking I have learned that removing W-L does not change relievers ppg, so I agree with this statement.

When I had included W-L, I did not want pitchers to have too much power so I reduced GB allowed. But by removing W-L, I was able to bump GB allowed up to 2.25 (or a 50% increase) and Ground Into Double Plays was bumped up from 3 to 4.5 (or a 50% increase).

These changes increased pitchers ppg by about 40% and now 5 are in the top 50 and 26 in the top 100 of total points scored.

If that seems like too many, I can tinker with the numbers a little more to get it down to about 20 in the top 100.

#all of this is based off of 2019 performances
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2020, 04:24:15 PM »
By no means do I think this system is perfect, I'm only attempting to make the scoring give more realistic value to players.
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2020, 11:31:22 PM »
For relievers, you might want to consider Inherited runners stranded.  There is some lock involved and some defense, but there really is limited pitching categories.
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2020, 01:08:55 AM »
For relievers, you might want to consider Inherited runners stranded.  There is some lock involved and some defense, but there really is limited pitching categories.

I already included that stat. We could possibly beef up RPs a little more but overall I think everyone is valued fairly
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Re: SCORING CHANGES 2021
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2020, 04:32:18 PM »
I already included that stat. We could possibly beef up RPs a little more but overall I think everyone is valued fairly
While I appreciate tinkering with the current format just a little, I'm not in favor of an overhaul to the scoring system.

Changing the scoring system is changing the league. This is one of the pioneering leagues on this site. I started my own league because I had ideas about a new point system. That's a suggestion here.

Bush is Bush but for me it's what makes it great or worth my time. It's playing the game I joined years ago. 30 teams...moneyball point system (with maybe a few modifications for upgrade purposes)...owners who share an elite IQ for dynasty fantasy team building (and a few jabronis).


Don't change the game in the middle of the dynasty. :veto:
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