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Title: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: PigsRule on September 04, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Here's a list of teams that were around ...but not really... in 2011-12:

in order of least involved
1. :NJD: New Jersey Devils
This team used up 2 owners, went thru 3-4 mths without an owner in-season, yet owned RNH + Marty. Under the previous owners, the team almost lost MiLR RNH to free agency due to inactivity... yet another case to bar non-hockey ppl or ones with limited hockey knowledge from such a deep league. A new owner is in place for the 2012-13 season.

2. :CLS: Columbus Blue Jackets
Blue Jackets had 1 owner but they appeared to be absent most of the time or busy with other leagues (college hoops + football). This team has found a new active owner for the 2012-13 season.

3. :CHI-NHL: Chicago Blackhawks
Hawks burned thru 2 owners each of whom kind of managed half a season but were not involved in trades nor the FA market. a case of non-hockey ppl owning a team. They did manage to trade away the likes of Hossa, P.Kane + Lecavalier in return for Korpikoski, Grabner, J.Campbell, N.Thompson, Little, B.Boyle before abandoning the team.

4. :STL-NHL: St.Louis Blues
This team went almost 3 months without an owner to start the season after the previous one abandoned the league for his preferred sport, basketball. Jonathan took over before the mid-point of the season but sat tight with a somewhat depleted roster appearing to wait for the 2012 Free Agent period to begin. Hovering at 42m in team salary for almost all of 2011-12, and even to this day, not sure which way the team's headed but i know the owner's a shrewd dealer and the team would be competitive if they chose to be active.

5. :VAN: Vancouver Canucks
Corey's a super active profsl admin + mgr, commish of 12 leagues, chat room guy, but losing MiLR player Cody Hodgson and not resigning pending FA's means they are destined to finish at the bottom of the pack again despite having some great players on their roster and a bunch of goalies.


Other teams in the Top 10...
6. :COL-NHL: - mostly invisible after the season started after signing a ton of prospects to their MLR during the off-season. CapnCally appears to be turning things around in COL.
7. :ANA: - prior to RSnakeR, they had been left unattended for a couple of month by NickF. cloud91 is leading the way and has been busy during the off-season.
8. :MON-NHL: - prior to Tarheels55, this team was relatively inactive due to a high team salary and a decent roster. BeanTown is now on board and looking to turn things around and rebuild this team.
9. :DET-NHL: - had/has somewhat active managers who didn't/don't work the system to benefit their team.
10. :CAR-NHL: - lost 2 MiLR players that had surpassed the 40-games played limit.
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: Jonathan on September 04, 2012, 01:44:56 PM
 
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but sat tight

So.... I guess Trading Evander Kane was pretty boring eh?
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: PigsRule on September 04, 2012, 01:53:12 PM

So.... I guess Trading Evander Kane was pretty boring eh?

who'd you get for Evander (btw - NYR then let him slip into free agency)...

i wouldn't say boring. i'd say disappointing to see a team with a close to 30m in cap space not make many moves. it's not personal... i prefer teams that make it more challenging for me to play against them. BTW, do i have ur fantrax id right and is that log-in timestamp correct?
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: snugerud on September 04, 2012, 02:10:52 PM
in the defense of Jonathan, a glut of money in FNHL doesnt really do you any good during our FA unless you are willing to over spend for any average to star players.   I still have lots of money but similar to Brian Burke I refuse to pay the crazy amounts to players.

Had I known , what I know now , I wouldnt have let some of the players I let go to FA , go to FA.
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: Jonathan on September 04, 2012, 03:19:26 PM
who'd you get for Evander (btw - NYR then let him slip into free agency)...

i wouldn't say boring. i'd say disappointing to see a team with a close to 30m in cap space not make many moves. it's not personal... i prefer teams that make it more challenging for me to play against them. BTW, do i have ur fantrax id right and is that log-in timestamp correct?
Do you really think I just let guys like Backes and Pietrangelo walk? That was a result of a dead owner, for multiple years as far as I can see. That is the only way you get FA money here, be dead for a long time. You can't make trades with no assets. I wasnt moving landy or schwartz or coyle and never will. I got something for Kane, but I honestly thought he was not that great, or worth the money. I got some future RW and Turris back. Rangers had intended on keeping him, hence why they gave up guys, guess he forgot. I got a bunch of offers for bad contracts and me giving up prospects, but there is no need for a team that has no chance to win now.
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: cheesesteak on September 04, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
What's the purpose of calling out 1/3 of the league and pointing out their weaknesses when most of these owners aren't even here any more?
Title: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: BeanTown on September 04, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Seriously seems like every topic starts off to show up other teams then everyone (choice few) banter back and forth in this league, never seen anything like it.

Many people blame high turnover on rules, buttttttt........

Anyway just my 2 pennies, I'm in a lot I leagues and this is the only one that has this type of atmosphere
Title: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: Colby on September 04, 2012, 05:59:33 PM
Seriously seems like every topic starts off to show up other teams then everyone (choice few) banter back and forth in this league, never seen anything like it.

Many people blame high turnover on rules, buttttttt........

Anyway just my 2 pennies, I'm in a lot I leagues and this is the only one that has this type of atmosphere

I agree.  This is one of the few leagues like this at ProFSL.  However, pointing out these franchises' issues with activity can lead to a focus on redemption.
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: Corey on September 04, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
Seriously seems like every topic starts off to show up other teams then everyone (choice few) banter back and forth in this league, never seen anything like it.

Many people blame high turnover on rules, buttttttt........

Anyway just my 2 pennies, I'm in a lot I leagues and this is the only one that has this type of atmosphere

Totally agree. Because I chose not sign FA because there was noone there to over spend means Im a bad owner.

And with topic, the topic about trade offers, we wonder why there is high turnover.

Look no further than this thread.
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: jackdaniels on September 04, 2012, 11:53:13 PM
I thought it was an interesting post to read. Is it a coincidence most of those teams finished at the bottom of the league.

The Jersey team I took over this Summer will be making a push for the postseason if there's an NHL season. Glad we're already ranked number one on someone's list. :rofl:

One thing's for sure, Corey being the commissioner of 12 leagues is insane.
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: snugerud on September 05, 2012, 08:57:58 AM
Pretty sure this was mainly a move by a commissioner to fire up some team and get the boards active. 

I personally dont mind a bit of trash talk, its fun, gets people active, holds some accountable, as long as its within reason.  keep the  :soapbox: out of it. 

I dont really agree with the list as some of the teams have appeared to me as the most active but I think pigs accomplished his goal here.  :toast:
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: PigsRule on September 05, 2012, 10:49:52 AM
guys, if anyone sees this as a personal "attack" on them... that wasn't the objective ... but before ppl sound off while standing on their soapbox, ask yourself whether you've missed several PMs + failed to answer direct and simple questions addressed to you.

i hope everyone here wants a strong league as much as i do where teams compete the whole yr + are accountable.

Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: PigsRule on September 05, 2012, 11:20:21 AM
Totally agree. Because I chose not sign FA because there was noone there to over spend means Im a bad owner.
...


as commissioner of not 6 (as i posted) but 12 leagues (as you corrected in my post) what should a commissioner do about a team that...

-has only 15 of 30 roster spots filled since August 3, 2012
-sitting on $23 Million in available cap (ceiling of 70.3m)
-zero (0) Right Wingers in a league that starts 3 nightly
-all the best RW free agent signed (see FNHL FA Tracker pg)
-and hasnt responded to 2 PMs about participation
-fantrax timestamp shows a date of 04/28/10 12:32PM (not a typo, April 28, 2010)

in all honesty, i would welcome your input on this situation.


BTW, this is likely also the only league that doesn't post a roll-call thread. i'm here often enough to see who's active.  :toast:


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And with topic, the topic about trade offers, we wonder why there is high turnover.

Look no further than this thread.

i'm a little surprised by this comment, Corey.

what's the reason for making this comment? you're associating a post joeshmoe made about negotiating in public with this thread i started about "Least involved teams in 2011-12" ... and commenting about turnover rate?
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: joeshmoe on September 05, 2012, 11:50:33 AM
People are now way too sensitive.  This thread is fine, so wasn't the worst trade thread.  I'm sure other people had worse offers thrown their way and they should have shared them. 

Posting my thread, for clarification, was not an attempt to negotiate in public...I don't negotiate with people who honestly offer deals like that.  The purpose was so teams know not to send me absolutely ridiculous offers that only a ten year old would agree to.  It worked!

But in all reality, people are way way way to sensitive.

Nice article, IMHO, Pigs. 
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: PigsRule on September 05, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
IMO, sometimes it's better to open the discussion up before the season truly gets underway.

that way we know where the teams + league as a whole stand. :toast:

Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: joeshmoe on September 05, 2012, 12:12:13 PM
in the defense of Jonathan, a glut of money in FNHL doesnt really do you any good during our FA unless you are willing to over spend for any average to star players.   I still have lots of money but similar to Brian Burke I refuse to pay the crazy amounts to players.

Had I known , what I know now , I wouldnt have let some of the players I let go to FA , go to FA.

I agree, extending homegrown talent will use up your cap.  That's why I was so sad to see the disaster of dropping players that shouldn't have been.  It really screwed up the Bruins badly. 

That being said, if I have 30m in cap space I should be spending it in an attempt to better my standings.  Otherwise it looks like people are fishing for the top draft picks.

And lastly, wasn't there a salary cap floor?  Is that still in place?
Title: Re: Top 10 Least Involved Teams in 2011-12
Post by: joeshmoe on September 05, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
I agree, extending homegrown talent will use up your cap.  That's why I was so sad to see the disaster of dropping players that shouldn't have been.  It really screwed up the Bruins badly. 

That being said, if I have 30m in cap space I should be spending it in an attempt to better my standings.  Otherwise it looks like people are fishing for the top draft picks.

And lastly, wasn't there a salary cap floor?  Is that still in place?

As usual, the rules were messed with, and without thought of how it affected the future.  Salary cap floors are a real thing in the NHL and were one of the best parts of this leagues creation.  If you have floors it keeps owners active too.  I would suggest the league look into putting this rule back on the books. 

Sometimes the rules were best as is.