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I as the Bruins no longer wish to participate in a league where the management can mistakenly strip a team of its rightful players. I understand there may have been some confusion about when contracts ended, but a simple calculation would have made it apparent that rookie contracts were not expiring. I lost a starting Goalie who I acquired through trades due to this, Ben Bishop, and I lost Marchand. These are two assets that were crucial for my team. The ramifications of losing them (for nothing) is simply too much.
This league should reset to before free agency and allow ALL teams to retain the players who were rightfully theirs.
2 years in a league, only to have somebody else strip your team, is quite too much.
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I as the Bruins no longer wish to participate in a league where the management can mistakenly strip a team of its rightful players. I understand there may have been some confusion about when contracts ended, but a simple calculation would have made it apparent that rookie contracts were not expiring. I lost a starting Goalie who I acquired through trades due to this, Ben Bishop, and I lost Marchand. These are two assets that were crucial for my team. The ramifications of losing them (for nothing) is simply too much.
This league should reset to before free agency and allow ALL teams to retain the players who were rightfully theirs. Short of this proper action my resignation is affirmative.
2 years in a league, only to have somebody else strip your team, is quite too much.
Another proper action would be to invalidate the bids placed one players who already had contracts. Although a clerical error was made by the management staff, the players in all reality did have contracts. In any other league when this is done the bid is simply invalidated.
The belief that a player who was signed illegally should be processed as legal is faulty. It would be possible to argue, that by the same logic, I would then be able to bid on any player on any team, contracted or free agent. That is what happened here.
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I honestly would love nothing more than to remain the Boston Bruins Manager; but principles come first to me. My team was robbed, hoodwinked, by a clerical error that would never be allowed to happen in any real life situation (Which is the original intent of the league; to be as real as possible). This happened to ALL TEAMS and is simply not right. It puts teams backwards when this league is moving forward. It remakes the entire strategy I have employed for two years. I lost my Goalie which sat on the Major league roster eating a spot (an economic choice). I can't just say that's cool.
I love hockey, I love the Bruins, I love UMAINE HOCKEY (which is another layer I put into my team with Gustav and Bishop), I love this league, I put my time into creating it, the rules boards are mostly still my creations. I plead with the league to understand its mistakes and make them correct. Otherwise it just pains me to look at my roster and know it was the biggest plunder in the history of the league.
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This is the worst feeling. I don't want to look at my team because I know it was robbed, but there is no other option. Leave the league I love or deal with injustice. I will remain on with the deepest of sorrow.
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This league should reset to before free agency and allow ALL teams to retain the players who were rightfully theirs.
Wow, an inactive owner, I consider this the most ridiculous thread on I have read in awhile. GoCubs7 lost much better players, but came back, won some of them back and tried to make this right. You come here calling out the league, asking for the months worth of work to be reversed, over losing 2 guys, 1 of which you can still win. GL in the Future :rofl:
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Wow, an inactive owner, I consider this the most ridiculous thread on I have read in awhile. GoCubs7 lost much better players, but came back, won some of them back and tried to make this right. You come here calling out the league, asking for the months worth of work to be reversed, over losing 2 guys, 1 of which you can still win. GL in the Future :rofl:
I resigned my players, offered extensions, and did buyouts, set my team for the start of the season before august. Didn't know the rules would be changed. I had no money in cap because I had players on my team. I now have 5m and couldn't win back any of my guys worth getting. Inactive, please. Doesn't it seem a little disenfranchising to have the rules changed in the middle of the game?
Furthermore, I am not resigning as pigs offered me to stay and I have accepted...troll
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I resigned my players, offered extensions, and did buyouts, set my team for the start of the season before august. Didn't know the rules would be changed. I had no money in cap because I had players on my team. I now have 5m and couldn't win back any of my guys worth getting. Inactive, please. Doesn't it seem a little disenfranchising to have the rules changed in the middle of the game?
Furthermore, I am not resigning as pigs offered me to stay and I have accepted...troll
LOL
aug27-12: removed unnecessary comment. guys, let's stay professional about this. it's worth discussing but let's not let this turn into a name callin' match.
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hey man, Pigs asked me to post this publicly, have an issue with the tread talk to him.
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LOL keep crying dude
who's crying?
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I get it now Jonathan, because you had a really really bad team you loved the fact a bonus of talent was available to a team with tons of money. Don't be bashful, you can say you liked how it helped you come even close to being a meaningful team.
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Sorry but I can ear anything you guys are saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiN8HjEy74&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaiN8HjEy74&feature=fvwrel)
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I resigned my players, offered extensions, and did buyouts, set my team for the start of the season before august. Didn't know the rules would be changed. I had no money in cap because I had players on my team. I now have 5m and couldn't win back any of my guys worth getting. Inactive, please. Doesn't it seem a little disenfranchising to have the rules changed in the middle of the game?
Furthermore, I am not resigning as pigs offered me to stay and I have accepted...troll
guys, at the end of the day... it's fantasy hockey something we all enjoy. let's continue to keep things in perspective no matter how disappointing we may feel at times.
2 things:
i definitely want joeshmoe to return and continue in this great league he created and commished in Yr1. his :BOS-NHL: are still a contender despite what occurred with the "P-2012" ruling on July 16th by the ex-commish (a whole other issue waiting to get air time), reference LINK, http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=64820.0 AKA "Clarification on Rookie Contracts" (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=64820.msg348262#msg348262) ... posted on the FNHL home pg and was there til late last wk.
2nd, unfortunately ... the decision by the ex-commish/SizzRat cannot be reversed as I've explained to "BOS-NHL: in our PM chat eariler today. it's been so long (41-days) + too many transactions (trades, contract rollover, free agency), teams have been impacted that reversing part or all would negatively impact the league and be considered yet another 1-off ruling to correct a 1-off ruling.
2-wrongs cannot make a right.
teams all have to move forward at this point and joeshmoe's no slouch of a GM and i fully expect he'll now pull together a action plan to plug some holes he had not expected to be addressing 1yr in advance, i've already been down that road... and it can be fun.
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guys, at the end of the day... it's fantasy hockey something we all enjoy. let's continue to keep things in perspective no matter how disappointing we may feel at times.
2 things:
i definitely want joeshmoe to return and continue in this great league he created and commished in Yr1. his :BOS-NHL: are still a contender despite what occurred with the "P-2012" ruling on July 16th by the ex-commish (a whole other issue waiting to get air time), reference LINK, http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=64820.0 AKA "Clarification on Rookie Contracts" (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=64820.msg348262#msg348262) ... posted on the FNHL home pg and was there til late last wk.
2nd, unfortunately ... the decision by the ex-commish/SizzRat cannot be reversed as I've explained to "BOS-NHL: in our PM chat eariler today. it's been so long (41-days) + too many transactions (trades, contract rollover, free agency), teams have been impacted that reversing part or all would negatively impact the league and be considered yet another 1-off ruling to correct a 1-off ruling.
2-wrongs cannot make a right.
teams all have to move forward at this point and joeshmoe's no slouch of a GM and i fully expect he'll now pull together a action plan to plug some holes he had not expected to be addressing 1yr in advance, i've already been down that road... and it can be fun.
This is a great explanation as I am looking into what has occurred with this league. My understanding is that some P-2012 contracts were let go from all teams as they expired. Isn't this the original rule in the league?
It does appear that this league needs better deadlines. For instance, a deadline to sign expiring contracts or else they are let go to free agency.
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This is a great explanation as I am looking into what has occurred with this league. My understanding is that some P-2012 contracts were let go from all teams as they expired. Isn't this the original rule in the league?
It does appear that this league needs better deadlines. For instance, a deadline to sign expiring contracts or else they are let go to free agency.
Colby, here's the background on this rookie contract matter/incident:
TIMELINE & FACTS
1. July 5'12: PigsRule (non-commish status at the time) posted error: contract length of a.pietrangelo (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=63439.msg339864#msg339864)
LINK: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=63439.msg339864#msg339864
someone on the previous EC modified a P-2012 contract on my :FLO: team (which i was advised by ex-commish hockeyfreak6000 as being a contract that expires in 2012-13) to an expiry of 2011-2012.
2. July 5'12: drew (interim FNHL commish at the time) stated his belief "P-2012" contracts were equal to contracts expiring in 2011-2012 (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=63439.msg339942#msg339942). I disagreed (see thread referenced above).
3. July 7'12: i requested ex-commish joeshmoe + hockeyfreak6000 (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=63439.msg340748#msg340748) provide input, but we never heard from either ex-commish on this matter.
4. July 16'12: upon SizzRat's appointment to commish, he posted Clarification on Rookie Contracts (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=64820.0)
LINK: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=64820.0
this ruling asserted that P-2012 contracts were set to expire 2011-2012 instead of what i understood would've been a 2012-2013 expiration.
5. all P-2012 contracts in FNHL were impacted and ex-commish SizzRat posted a revised contract rollover date of Aug.3rd 23h59 ET (necessary due to the former EC's league deadlines being invalid due to their absence from the league leaving many GM's uncertain of which key activities were accurate and whether the league would even move forward for 2012-13.
6. July 22'12: PigsRule joins SizzRat as FNHL co-commish
7. July 24'12: 10-days to 2011-12 contracts expiring notice posted on FNHL home pg.
the first line of the post read: this is your reminder that all 2011-2012 AND P-2012 contracts EXPIRE 23h59 ET on Fri Aug.3rd. ...
LINK: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=66027.msg357206#msg357206
8. July 30'12: 5-days tp 2011-12 contracts expiring notice posted on FNHL home pg.
CONTRACTS EXPIRE in 5-days (Aug.3 @ 23h59ET)
LINK: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=66736.msg362568#msg362568
9. Aug 3'12: Deadline for 2011-12 contracts expiring notice posted on FNHL home pg.
DEADLINE TODAY (23h59 ET Aug.3'12 2011-12 Contracts Expire)
LINK: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=67372.msg365524#msg365524
10. Aug.3'12 @ 23h59 ET FNHL player 2011-12 contracts expire, owned players who were didn't receive an extension would be released to FA as of Aug 4'12 @ 0h01 ET.
11. Aug.5'12 @ 0h01 ET: FNHL free agency opens with the un-locking of Defensemen ...
comments:
* ex-commish SizzRat made a ruling to clarify an unclear rule based on his knowledge, correct or not... he was the commissioner at the time and so we lived by the ruling.
* unfortunately, no ex-commishes (joeshmoe, hockeyfreak6000 nor Mike Bridgestone/Gilmour/Gilly/BridgestoneGilly who was actually posing as a brand new GM to this league + taking over a brand new team in :CHI-NHL: after abandoning :NYI: ) provided any input on the subject to confirm, reject or further discuss the issue to help provide clarity
* everyone has accepted the ruling, for better or for worse.
* joeshmoe's surprise/possible shock and disappointment is very reasonable and i understand where he's coming from due to the significant ruling that impacted 3 key stud prospects on his :BOS-NHL: team which he's GM'ed since the beginning of time. however, he may have been the only GM to miss the communications
* PS my :FLO: also lost out on this ruling as 4 of my core stars received significant extensions/raises from the rookie contracts and 19.0m of my cap space vanished overnight.
* again, this is fantasy sports... luckily no one lost their job or livelihood over this, but more importantly, :BOS-NHL: is back in business and we're glad this situation hasn't soured him too much on the league he created and which we all enjoy.
if i missed anything, anyone with something to add, please comment + post.
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To the argument this is just fantasy hockey, why then is it so hard to alter the ramifications. Maybe a system of compensation, maybe we should institute RFA and retroactively assign compensation.
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There was no abandoning any team, I had REAL LIFE issues to attend to, this is fantasy son, my wife and my life come first. I came back under a different name when everything got straightened out to enjoy fantasy like I once did while avoiding the silly stuff that goes on. I have not been asked ever about this situation nor was it going on when I was here for my short stint as a Chicago GM before I was pushed to leave this league again. So don't involve me in your silly crap!!
To answer this thread, I was a roster guy, I didn't do anything with the rules, re-direct rule questions to Hockeyfreak6000...I was his helper, this was never my league, it belongs to the GM's and I just helped with rosters!!
Thanks Gilly
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I just love the "Ignore user" function.
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I get it now Jonathan, because you had a really really bad team you loved the fact a bonus of talent was available to a team with tons of money. Don't be bashful, you can say you liked how it helped you come even close to being a meaningful team.
:bla: :bla: :bla: talking about this team I inherited from a dead owner?? That is ok though, I could care less.
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:bla: :bla: :bla: talking about this team I inherited from a dead owner?? That is ok though, I could care less.
I am talking about that team yes. You are an owner who suddenly, and not because the merit of his own skills but due to a clerical mistake, benefited to the extreme.
You make an argument that I should move on and use my money in the free agency. Too bad my cards were close to the chest, I was making a run for the centuries, and because of it I haven't the luxury of 10's of millions, as did your team.
The point, it is sensible to me that you'd have a hard time understanding it from my point of view. It goes counter to every economic benefit you received. Don't, however, feel the need to come into a discussion thread and feel the need to fill it with garbage posts.
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Guys just be active to make things a little more challenging for the rest of us. Also this sounds like the start of a new rivalry. :thumbsup: