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Title: Norichika Aoki
Post by: h4cheng on August 01, 2012, 02:15:07 PM
Waivers
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: 28 on August 01, 2012, 02:22:51 PM
Twins claim
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Colby on August 01, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
:PIT: Pirates claim
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Dan Wood on August 01, 2012, 07:26:34 PM
Reds claim
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: h4cheng on August 01, 2012, 10:17:59 PM
I am confused about the rules. Had I worked out a deal with :PIT: prior to Reds claiming, would it have gone through? The rules says:

A decision on the player must be made within 72 hours of the claim.  If, within such a time frame, an agreement wasn't posted by both parties NOR was the waive canceled by the waiving team, then the player's contract is considered to moved to the claiming team in exchange for nothing. 

Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: rcankosy on August 01, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
I am confused about the rules. Had I worked out a deal with :PIT: prior to Reds claiming, would it have gone through? The rules says:

A decision on the player must be made within 72 hours of the claim.  If, within such a time frame, an agreement wasn't posted by both parties NOR was the waive canceled by the waiving team, then the player's contract is considered to moved to the claiming team in exchange for nothing.

My interpretation would be that the waiver stays open for 72 hours to allow teams to put in a claim based on part 2 of the rule which states that, "Other teams have 72 hours to make a claim on such player."

In the current case, "If a player is claimed by more than one team, the club with the worst record in that player's league gets priority (player's league has priority over other league) -- and the player can be traded only to that team."
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: h4cheng on August 01, 2012, 10:24:24 PM
So: 72 hours to settle which team gets the claim, and an additional 72 hours to work out a deal with said team?
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Dan Wood on August 01, 2012, 10:28:21 PM
The 72 hours on the claim is correct - it's exactly like FA....as far as how long you have to make a deal...I don't remember
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: rcankosy on August 01, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
So: 72 hours to settle which team gets the claim, and an additional 72 hours to work out a deal with said team?

Correct.

7) Aside from the waiving team pulling back the waiver within the initial 72 hour period, all claims must be made in the 72 hour window and all deals must be announced after the second 72 hour window has completed.
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: h4cheng on August 01, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
This clears it up, and I must pull the waiver within the first 72 hour period?
Title: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Brewers GM on August 01, 2012, 10:47:29 PM
The second, I believe ie: you can negotiate and just pull the claim if you can't work out a deal (guess that's also the default if no trade is posted).
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Paul S. on August 02, 2012, 08:01:24 AM
The waiver claim cannot be cancelled.  If a trade is not completed and the waiving team does not cancel the waiver during the second 72 hour period they forfeit the player with NO compensation:

4) A decision on the player must be made within 72 hours of the claim.  If, within such a time frame, an agreement wasn't posted by both parties NOR was the waive canceled by the waiving team, then the player's contract is considered to moved to the claiming team in exchange for nothing. 
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: rcankosy on August 02, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
The waiver claim cannot be cancelled.  If a trade is not completed and the waiving team does not cancel the waiver during the second 72 hour period they forfeit the player with NO compensation:

4) A decision on the player must be made within 72 hours of the claim.  If, within such a time frame, an agreement wasn't posted by both parties NOR was the waive canceled by the waiving team, then the player's contract is considered to moved to the claiming team in exchange for nothing.

Part 4 is functionally correct in that the team that wins the claim would be on the hook for the entire salary of the player if team that placed the player on waivers chooses to walk away from the player w/o any compensation, but it should NOT refer to the first 72-hour window, but rather it covers the entire 144-hour process,  My interpretation is that the team placing the player on waivers drives the bus all the way through this process.  In other words, the team that places the player on waivers can cancel the waiver at ANY time throughout the process.  That seems to be the only reasonable way to allow all the teams the 72 hours initially to make a claim, and also allow the team that has won the claim to negotiate a trade.  Basically, the team placing the player on waivers can call the shots and either accept or turn down the trade in the second 72 hour window.  I believe that this is consistent with the rules in real life.  The important element that should not be forgotten is that teams making waiver claims ARE on the hook for the ENTIRE contract of the player they claim if the other team wishes to not negotiate a trade, so be CAREFUL when making a waiver claim.  This process is not a true two-way street.
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Colby on August 02, 2012, 09:22:46 AM
Roys interpretation is correct.  Essentially, it is this...

First 72 hours is used to determine the team that wins the waiver claim OR if the player is allowed to be traded to anyone (no claim).

Second 72 hours is a strict window in which the two teams must agree to a trade of players that went through waivers.  If no trade is posted, then there are two options for the waiving team - they can cancel their waiver, or allow it to expire which means the waived player will transfer to the other team 100%.
Title: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Brewers GM on August 02, 2012, 10:44:41 AM
Agree with Roy
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: h4cheng on August 03, 2012, 08:51:32 AM
Aoki pulled off waivers.
Title: Re: Norichika Aoki
Post by: Colby on August 03, 2012, 11:31:45 AM
Aoki pulled off waivers.

Waiver officially cancelled.  Roy, could you get a tracking thread for our waivers?  Aoki cannot be placed on waivers again.