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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Colby on November 20, 2009, 12:18:18 PM
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This thread was started by Jake but lost in the forum crash. Also, Mike had an NL Central public opinion poll. It's worth combining all of those opinions into this new poll. Who has made the most improvements this offseason? (You may change vote)
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If the Angels sign Holliday and get another stud pitcher then they are the team to beat this offseason. That team has the veteran talent with a loaded farm and plenty of picks to boot. They also have a ton of cash for the spring.
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Brewers by far in my opinion. Puljols and Beckham.
This thread was started by Jake but lost in the forum crash. Also, Mike had an NL Central public opinion poll. It's worth combining all of those opinions into this new poll. Who has made the most improvements this offseason? (You may change vote)
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I think it is hard to say one team has had the best moves. The Brew Crew has had a great off season with the addition of Albert, Beckham, Sanchez and Danks to go with Braun, Lee, Yovi, and Prince. At the same time, they lack depth in their line up, and have quite a few players that will be in theminors for the duration of next year. The A's have done a real good job with getting Kendry, Drew, Aramis, Pinero and making themselves part of the AL West discussion. The Angels and Giants have done a good job of filling their holes (holes he says) by adding bats(Giants) and pitching(Angels), as well as draft picks. The Rockies acquired who I think is soon to be one of the best players in the game in Justin Upton, and one of the best pitchers in Dan Haren. The Pirates will soon have a very dominating 1/2 CI punch once Pedro gets the call. And I feel I have made my team better from top to bottom, and I have given myself a farm system. Which, despite your opinion, I felt was sorely lacking grade A prospects. And the Dodgers who were deep to begin with, added AJ, and Aaron Harang. So I think it is hard to distinguish just one team having the best off-season. Can we just start free agency now?
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I actually don't view Lee as a long-term option, but thanks for the compliments at what I have done so far! The Pirates lineup and starting rotation has greatly improved already...
Best Batters of Lineup - 09 vs. 10
Doumit, Cutch, Kennedy vs. Lee, Cutch, McCann
Starting Rotation - 09 vs. 10
Duke, Maholm, Ohlendorf, Morton, Karstens vs. Duke, Bannister, Maholm, Owings, Ohlendorf
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Brewers by far in my opinion. Puljols and Beckham.
I don't understand the infatuation with Gordon Beckham. Absolutely a good infielder. Compare with McGehee:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
116 355 58 107 20 1 16 66 177 34 67 0 2 .360 .499 .301
Beckham:
103 378 58 102 28 1 14 63 174 41 65 7 4 .347 .460 .270
Pretty much comparable and McGehee fended off Gamels who was supposed to be the Brewers top 2 or 3 prospect. Yes, I'm thrilled to get him a N.Feliz for Beckham and a 2A pitcher
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I don't understand the infatuation with Gordon Beckham. Absolutely a good infielder. Compare with McGehee:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
116 355 58 107 20 1 16 66 177 34 67 0 2 .360 .499 .301
Beckham:
103 378 58 102 28 1 14 63 174 41 65 7 4 .347 .460 .270
Pretty much comparable and McGehee fended off Gamels who was supposed to be the Brewers top 2 or 3 prospect. Yes, I'm thrilled to get him a N.Feliz for Beckham and a 2A pitcher
Exactly what I am thinking... see my poll (http://profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=303.0) in the Dugout that involves Beckham...
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Because Casey never did it in the minors until his final AAA season. He was more or less an also ran prior to this year. He doesn't come with the pedigree that Beckham does. Plus Beckham is one year out of college, and he has a sweet head of hair.
HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
3 23 2 3 10 46 .272 .302 .391 .693 Age 20 A
10 66 2 1 33 69 .261 .310 .394 .704 Age 21 - A -adv
8 72 2 2 43 64 .297 .354 .422 .776 Age 22 - AA
11 68 0 3 41 70 .280 .336 .406 .742 Age 23 - AAA
10 59 1 3 43 83 .261 .325 .404 .729 Age 24 - AA/AAA
12 92 0 3 40 89 .296 .345 .429 .774 Age 25 - AAA
16 66 0 2 34 67 .301 .360 .499 .859 Age 26 - Majors - MIL
One of these things (years) is not like the other...
Beckham
HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
3 8 0 1 5 7 .310 .365 .500 .865 - Age 22 A
4 25 2 0 14 26 .326 .378 .526 .904 - Age 22 AA/AAA
14 63 7 4 41 65 .270 .347 .460 .808 - Age 22 Majors
What you have is a decent 26 year old player and a 22 year old burgeoning star. One is Jeff Kent one is Mark Loretta. And it ain't even close.
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I would have to say the Oakland A's have made the greatest strides in improving their team both for the now and the future. While the Brewers may have made the biggest splash by grabbing the best player in the sport without weakening his already potent base, the A's have have made themselves a relevant club once again by grabbing up contributing talent using limited means (somewhat depleted farm system and low payroll). And he has done all of this without weakening himself for the long term thanks to his ability to add players without losing Anderson, who in my opinion is one of the real rising stars in the sport and also by shrewdly adding Justin Smoak, who should give him a CI to build around for years to come. The Bay Area is on the rise so beware!!!
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How many players over the years were late bloomers? Gamels and his pedigree was killin' it in 3A and McGehee started in front of him in Milwaukee. Plus I got a top 5 pitching prospect. I'll stand by the trade.
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I don't understand the infatuation with Gordon Beckham. Absolutely a good infielder. Compare with McGehee:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
116 355 58 107 20 1 16 66 177 34 67 0 2 .360 .499 .301
Beckham:
103 378 58 102 28 1 14 63 174 41 65 7 4 .347 .460 .270
Pretty much comparable and McGehee fended off Gamels who was supposed to be the Brewers top 2 or 3 prospect. Yes, I'm thrilled to get him a N.Feliz for Beckham and a 2A pitcher
If you compare their stats for 2009, definitely very comparable players. For McGehee to put up that season, even at age 26 and with significant high-minors development time, is impressive and he has a reasonable chance at a good future. For Beckham to do it at age 22, one season in the minors is just much more impressive IMO, and gives reason to think his ceiling is much higher. How will it play out? Who knows...
If you're going to evaluate based on 2009 stats alone, Daniel Hudson is no 2A pitcher...
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I'll stand by the trade.
As you should... It was a swap of some great young players - only time will tell how it works out, and the consensus view on a prospect is hardly an exact predictor (neither Beckham nor Feliz are sure things).
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As you should... It was a swap of some great young players - only time will tell how it works out, and the consensus view on a prospect is hardly an exact predictor (neither Beckham nor Feliz are sure things).
Exactly. Speculation on prospects is scary. Jay Bruce came thru the system and was MiLB POY. Had a good rookie year and then 2009...ouch. I had an asset and, I think, turned it into two assets. Time will tell.
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I also think the A's has improved the most as they have so little to work with to begin with. Brewers also improved but they already have a good team to begin with.
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Jay Bruce has hit over 20 homers in two shortened seasons in the Majors, most guys are still in A, or AA ball. Given his pace he would have hit 30 homers last year. Hardly an "ouch" year for a 22 year old. His BABIP last year was around .200. So his low batting average was due to extremely bad luck. He is never going to put up an OBP of .400, that is not the type of hitter he is, not even when he was destroying the minor leagues. No one is bagging on you for making the trade, but most people, quote un quote experts as well, feel that Gordon Beckham will be a star for many years to come, and from an middle infield position. And as far as Gamel goes, the guy could not play third base at all. Not even barely like Ryan Braun could before he got shipped to left field. The Brewers had no room to move him to the OF. Plus IMHO - Gamel will never be the player everyone thought he was going to be.
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I voted for the Rockies. Landing Hudson, Haren, and especially Justin Upton, while holding onto Hawpe and Tulo, should ensure his team will contend in that division next year.
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:bump:
Howe's Rockies have been quite busy!