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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: bridgestone on June 24, 2010, 01:13:42 PM
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:CHC: to :ATL:
MI Reyes, Jose, $6m (2011) + $3m from Cubs in 2010
P Fister, Doug, $0.5m (P-n/a)
C Conger, Hank, $0.5m (P-n/a)
:ATL: to :CHC:
CI Alonso, Yonder, $1m (2012)
CI-MI Stewart, Ian, $0.5m (P-2011)
SP Myers, Brett, $3m (2010)
X-SP Myers, Brett, RS money from PHI, $-3m in 2010
ATL 8-22
MTK has been trying to get Reyes off my hands for a while. I held out for the best deal possible. I gain an MI replacement, SP reinforcements, and a top CI prospect.
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Mike did hold out, but I believe we both played our hands well. Stewart is worrying me a little bit and struggling. Myers would have been a tough resign for me given his current ranking of 2nd overall RP which warrants 13.5 mil per. The real stinger for me here is Alonso. I have turned down many deals that contained his name purely because it included him. I get Conger who I absolutely love (along with Alonso) so that eased the pain along with me having 2 good CI's at the MLB level already and Freeman, Moreland, and Allen in my farm. Fister replaces Myers in the rotation. Fister may not pan out, but he has done well so far and he is on a prospect contract so there is very little risk on my part. Then of course I got Reyes who is reportedly already in contract negotiations with the Brave hierarchy.
Mike, it was fun and I think we both got the good side lol.
~MTK
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:iatp:
Looks fine.
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Mike, you do realize that Conger is a year younger and outhitting the overated Alonso right?
Myers = Fister + 3M
Alsonso = Conger
Stewart =? Reyes
Not questioning your intelligence, but my personal opinion is you are getting ripped off big time.
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Well it wont help a whole lot, but I forgot that Myers was free for me so to keep the money close I could thrown in Melvin Mora 2m (2010). He is getting some playing time.
~MTK
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Mike, you do realize that Conger is a year younger and outhitting the overated Alonso right?
Myers = Fister + 3M
Alsonso = Conger
Stewart =? Reyes
Not questioning your intelligence, but my personal opinion is you are getting ripped off big time.
Fister may not pan out and Myers is good trade bait (see my attempt with Phillies). Alonso isn't hitting as well as Conger is in AAA but the ceiling is higher and he is at a power position. Meanwhile, Stewart pales in comparison to Reyes, but Jose is injury prone and has had some issues in the past couple years (so has Stewart)... so I feel a get a cheaper version of that liability.
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Mike, would you be interested in taking Mora in the deal to even money?
(I may not have cap given im currently winning a FA bid also.)
~MTK
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Mike, would you be interested in taking Mora in the deal to even money?
(I may not have cap given im currently winning a FA bid also.)
~MTK
Not interested... and if Howe thinks I am getting ripped off then it does me no good to make the trade worse and take on Mora.
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fair enough. Mora is getting playing time though and is Stewart's backup so I thought it would make sense if you had him. Atleast that was my thinking we I acquired them from the Athletics.
~MTK
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Since their was a conversation that took place on this thread,
We still need one more approval from the TC.
~MTK
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Since their was a conversation that took place on this thread,
We still need one more approval from the TC.
~MTK
That was quite a steal MTK... the Dans (:CIN: :TOR:) are the ones to make the decision on this. They should consider Howe's argument when they post.
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It should be stated that when Alonso's track record is compared to Conger's, Alonso looks very good. He is struggling this year, but his track record shows that he has been a very good OBP option. Under this scoring system that has a good bit of value.
Let's not all forget that until Reyes' recent hot streak, everyone was questioning if he would ever get back to his previous numbers.
Braves get the edge, but a few years down the road it will be a close deal.
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To add to what Rob has already said. I would like to say that Fister's track record points to him fizzling back out. He can't strike batters out and isn't a ground ball pitcher. Now, we can add a arm injury to his tract record. Reyes has just started back hitting and we will have to wait to see if he sustains this and even if so, the chance of injury is still there. Myers has already proved to be very valuable as he was immediately flipped for a very nice return from the Phillies. Alonso has always hit and he will work through his struggles. I think we are focusing too much on the day to day stuff rather than the big picture. Baseball is a game of adjustments and everyone goes into a slump while making adjustments. Its a part of the game. Conger will also have to stay healthy and continue to get better defensively to make it as a C. Ian Stewart is also signed to a nice P-2011 contract that will allow him to be resigned for cheap. Just my two cents.
~MTK
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one other thing, the point totals b/t Reyes/Fister and Myers/Stewart are pretty close.
~MTK
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I am not saying that Alonso isn't on the same level as Conger. But to imply that the Cubs somehow ended up with a top CI prospect is a stretch considering the loss of Conger.
The points total so far this season isn't really relevant as a) even MTK thinks that Fister is going to flame out and b) Cubs won't be winning it all this year.
I am at peace with this deal since Mike views Reyes as a liability (did not know this before), and as the GM of his own team, he is very much entitled to his opinion and act accordingly. I just wished I had enquired about him :(
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IMO, we need to scale back on the TC's valuation of trades affecting their votes..
We need to prevent collusion, and prevent owners from being taken advantage of - both of these two have been around long enough to make their own decisions, why do we need to intervene?
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I agree. I think the TC should be used most importantly for protecting new owners and then maybe to watch out for collusion and way lopsided trades.
~MTK
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Obviously there is no collusion and there is an exchange of decent value here.
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As much hub bub as this trade has gotten, I approve of it. I don't think it is as lopsided as some have pointed out. IMO Fister is not the real deal. Stewart is still very young, Alonso has a pedigree, and Conger may not ever see playing time with Napoli and Mathis in his way at C. Abreau (sp) at DH, and Fat Mike's complete disdain for playing prospects - see Brandon Wood. Reyes was at one point a 1st rounder, but as someone who watches the Mets as much as I do, he is not an OBP machine, and as he gets closer to 30 his legs will not be as valuable. All players involved have value. :iatp: