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Padres Receive:
Daniel Bard
Hector Rondon
Martin Perez
4-8
9-19
for
Cardinals Receive:
Adrian Gonzalez
Agon is good, really really good, glove and bat. He's going to be good and he has been for years. He has one more year of low salary, but after that it's going to be a big salary. I love him but he has to go, and this package is a valuable swap. I get good prospects to jump start the team soon, and a good pick for rebuilding as well. I accept because this has to happen, not because I want to. If the Cardinals dont make a serious run at the WS with this guy, which they can, it'd be crazy. He's gonna make them so much better. Oh well, has to be done!
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So the Cardinals were able to swap Pujols for A.Gonz, Santana, Carter & Gamel.
Pretty impressive haul imo especially considering Pujols expiring contract.
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This is a June 1st trade.
Padres Receive:
RP Daniel Bard $2.5m (2012)
SP Hector Rondon $0.5m (P-n/a)
SP Martin Perez $0.5m (P-n/a)
4-8
9-19
for
Cardinals Receive:
CI Adrian Gonzalez $2.5m (2011)
We lose 2 prospects from the Pujols trade to obtain a quality CI and hope he gets traded to an AL team to gain more value. This trade does not increase our salary cap for this year and gives us a better chance of catching the Brewers in the playoffs.
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Approved, Agon is a great player. Perez and Bard are very good arms. The overall package seems worthwhile.
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I am gonna need sometime for this. (It has nothing to do with me being in the running for Agon). I just don't know if I like the return here. P's are not worth a whole lot in this league not to mention RPs are even less valuable. I would have liked to see the Padres get atleast one spect bat in return.
~MTK
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I am gonna need sometime for this. (It has nothing to do with me being in the running for Agon). I just don't know if I like the return here. P's are not worth a whole lot in this league not to mention RPs are even less valuable. I would have liked to see the Padres get atleast one spect bat in return.
~MTK
I agree with Trade King's assessment. Seeing a big prospect bat going in this deal would have made more sense.
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I see the points made by Mike and Aubrey. Chris, can we hear a bit more from you on this deal. The scoring system is weighted in a way that favors offense. In fact, it is broken down approximately 47% offense, 36% pitching, and 17% fielding. The position players bring a lot more to the table than do pitchers.
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I see the points made by Mike and Aubrey. Chris, can we hear a bit more from you on this deal. The scoring system is weighted in a way that favors offense. In fact, it is broken down approximately 47% offense, 36% pitching, and 17% fielding. The position players bring a lot more to the table than do pitchers.
My thought process is total value. This package offered a lot of total value in return, but I wasn't thinking about how much an offensive postition was weighted. If I'm getting the short end of the deal I appreciate you guys letting me know. But three players and two picks was a good deal in my mind. We're working on reworking it to add a position player if it falls through.
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Joe,
I usually break down deals differently. We have a max roster size of 40, so at some point it is a matter of quality over quantity. Sometimes you can find spects of equal value in the FA market and I THINK come this offseason there should be plenty of the same talent level guys avail. Unless ur planning on revamping ur EDR, u only need 10 picks or so at the max. What I am trying to say is, try and get the best guy(s) you can and worry about trying to fill out ur team with FAs and during this offseason. Try to acquire some young good players that you can build your team around and be competitive with AND then try to fill in around them.
~MTK
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So I'm guessing this is going to need refinement for approval?
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So I'm guessing this is going to need refinement for approval?
Correct... the TC's questioning about the value in the trade as well as your possible mis-understanding of the scoring system demands a tweak. I believe you two have a solid deal in the making, but Gonzalez's product per contract (cheap for two years) is one of the best prizes to be had in this league.
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I can agree with the fact that AGON is a prize, due to cheap contract. Could another prospect be thrown in, sure. Making sure that the Padres fully understand the league and scoring is another factor.
On the other side, I am not a huge fan of a TC that shapes GMs and their thinking. If a GM wants to concentrate on pitching that should be allowed and it appears that we are frowning on it. I think that dead or bad pitching spots are very detrimental to success and this is being overlooked.
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On the other side, I am not a huge fan of a TC that shapes GMs and their thinking. If a GM wants to concentrate on pitching that should be allowed and it appears that we are frowning on it. I think that dead or bad pitching spots are very detrimental to success and this is being overlooked.
Is it not more detrimental to have a dead or bad CI spot? I should know, I have Eric Chavez there. Its quite obvious 47% to 36% that offense has the advantage and its not even close. Almost half of the points come from offense.
I don't have a problem with someone filling needs, but it needs to make sense. We are talking about Agon (along with his gem of a contract), not some midlevel CI that is shipped to a playoff hopeful team in exchange for a spect or 2. He is the type of player that you can basically hold for ransom (much they are doing in real life lol) until you get a deal that not only fills holes, but betters the whole team. My 2 cents...
~MTK
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Why not just drop one of the pitchers and add Chris Carter? IMO I think this deal is perfectly fair. Do I think the Pads need a bat, yes, but Martin Perez has been called the next Johan. The guy is barely a teen and in AA - not doing great, but still he is awfully young for the league. Just sayin, I have seen more egregious trades get passed. Not that I want the Cards to have Justin and Agon, but the package is fairly solid.
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Is it not more detrimental to have a dead or bad CI spot? I should know, I have Eric Chavez there. Its quite obvious 47% to 36% that offense has the advantage and its not even close. Almost half of the points come from offense.
I don't have a problem with someone filling needs, but it needs to make sense. We are talking about Agon (along with his gem of a contract), not some midlevel CI that is shipped to a playoff hopeful team in exchange for a spect or 2. He is the type of player that you can basically hold for ransom (much they are doing in real life lol) until you get a deal that not only fills holes, but betters the whole team. My 2 cents...
~MTK
I agree with you on this. You should thank Jon Gaskins for taking Chavez from me for some very odd reason. I didn't argue.
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P Rondon, Hector, $0.5m (P-n/a)
P Perez, Martin, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Gamel, Mat, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Craig, Allen, $0.5m (P-n/a)
Pick 4-9
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CI Gonzalez, Adrian, $2.5m (2011)
accept, added some bats
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P Rondon, Hector, $0.5m (P-n/a)
P Perez, Martin, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Gamel, Mat, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Craig, Allen, $0.5m (P-n/a)
Pick 4-9
for
CI Gonzalez, Adrian, $2.5m (2011)
accept, added some bats
Agreed reluctantly.
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Would have liked to seen Carter here, but Gamel will do. :iatp:
~MTK
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:iatp:
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the pick is actually 4-8 not 4-9