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Title: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: rcankosy on October 14, 2011, 09:57:09 AM
I would have thought that the 2012 and 2013 salary caps would have changed more for several teams in the league.  For example, the Athletics have clearly out-performed their caps, but their caps in 2012 and 2013 doesn't seem to have reflected it.  On the flip-side, the several large market teams that performed well under their caps saw minimal decreases to it?  I thought that the actual standings represented 20% of our future caps, so it seemed puzzling to me.
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: h4cheng on October 15, 2011, 10:16:19 AM
I was wondering about this too, how is future cap calculated again?
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: Corey on October 15, 2011, 10:28:56 AM
I disagree on big markets. Look at how bostons has dropped. The mets fell another 10m. I took the yanks to the world series and the cap fell 10m. 

Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: rcankosy on October 15, 2011, 11:43:46 AM
I don't mean to single out any one team, but I have to identify a team to make my point, so here goes.  How did the Cubs' cap go from 142.5 in 2011 to 148 in 2012?
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: Colby on October 15, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
I don't mean to single out any one team, but I have to identify a team to make my point, so here goes.  How did the Cubs' cap go from 142.5 in 2011 to 148 in 2012?

It is a bit of a moving average relying on numbers from prior years.  Chicago started with $200m cap in 2009.  Reference this post for the 2009-2010 cap changes - http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=323.0

That $200m cap is still included in their averages, but then after this year the Cubs' cap starts dropping due to recent caps and poor performance as it falls to $139.5m next year, and if the Cubs perform like they did in 2011, then it will fall even more in 2012 to $125m.
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: h4cheng on October 15, 2011, 12:25:16 PM
It is a bit of a moving average relying on numbers from prior years.  Chicago started with $200m cap in 2009.  Reference this post for the 2009-2010 cap changes - http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=323.0

That $200m cap is still included in their averages, but then after this year the Cubs' cap starts dropping due to recent caps and poor performance as it falls to $139.5m next year, and if the Cubs perform like they did in 2011, then it will fall even more in 2012 to $125m.

Colby, do you still have the link to how the cap is calculated?
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: rcankosy on October 15, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
It is a bit of a moving average relying on numbers from prior years.  Chicago started with $200m cap in 2009.  Reference this post for the 2009-2010 cap changes - http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=323.0

That $200m cap is still included in their averages, but then after this year the Cubs' cap starts dropping due to recent caps and poor performance as it falls to $139.5m next year, and if the Cubs perform like they did in 2011, then it will fall even more in 2012 to $125m.

The message on the team pages say that the 2012 and 2013 salary caps are set in stone and it shows the Cubs with a cap of 148m for 2012 and 2013.
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: papps on October 15, 2011, 01:29:48 PM
I was also curious about this as my team has performed very well and I took a 20 million cap loss for next year. 
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: Colby on October 15, 2011, 01:46:36 PM
I said this wrong...

That $200m cap is still included in their averages, but then after this year the Cubs' cap starts dropping due to recent caps and poor performance as it falls to $139.5m in 2014, and if the Cubs perform in 2012 like they did in 2011, then it will fall even more in 2015 to $125m.
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: joeshmoe on November 21, 2011, 09:19:10 AM
can you maybe help explain a little more of this?  Feel free to use my padres as an example of how it works. 
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: Colby on November 21, 2011, 10:05:22 AM
The Padres may not be the best example as they have one of the lowest caps and have been one of the worst teams.  Their cap, however, is expected to increase in 2014 to $59.5m due to the expectation that 2012 will be like 2011.  This past season, the Padres slipped ahead of a couple teams, raising their expected market value and future salary caps.
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: h4cheng on November 21, 2011, 10:18:20 AM
Outta curiosity, how do I get my cap to go up? Back to back champ and no movement on the cap.
Title: Re: 2012 and 2013 Salary Caps
Post by: joeshmoe on November 21, 2011, 10:20:17 AM
The Padres may not be the best example as they have one of the lowest caps and have been one of the worst teams.  Their cap, however, is expected to increase in 2014 to $59.5m due to the expectation that 2012 will be like 2011.  This past season, the Padres slipped ahead of a couple teams, raising their expected market value and future salary caps.

Here is my issue...the 20% cap for an increase kills small market teams and not big market...20%of 200m is way more than 60m.