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I would like a ruling on a player retiring and its effects on payroll. I stated my case in the parent page under "A couple of questions". I will restate it here if you want me to.
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good question, what you guys think we should do with retired players
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I would like a ruling on a player retiring and its effects on payroll. I stated my case in the parent page under "A couple of questions". I will restate it here if you want me to.
The rule is simple in that the team loses out by receiving a cap hit when cutting the player. We do not have tons of clauses in contracts, but I suppose we could create one for certain cases. The only thing I do not like about this is the ambiguity of knowing if a player has retired or moved to another league and if they would be coming back at all.
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I will say this. Once a player officially retires/ move leagues he is no longer part of the MLB. Since we cannot sign amateurs until they have a MLB contract, this would kind of fall in the same category. Also god forbid, someone gets injured that is making 20 mil a year, and cannot play anymore. What then? I think once a player is out of MLB - we should no longer be held responsible for the contract. Unfortunately our league, as are all fantasy leagues, are reactionary. So my vote would be to not have GMs be responsible for a contract if someone calls it quits. That is out of our control.
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I would agree that retirement might be beyond our control, but I think that an injured player's contract should stay on the books. That is the risk that a real team or we run every time we hand out a long-term contract to a player. If the Yanks ever lost A-Rod, CC, or Tex to injury, their salaries would still count against the cap. When you roll the dice folks, sometimes it comes up CRAPS!
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When you roll the dice folks, sometimes it comes up CRAPS!
When you sign Rich Harden and Ben Sheets to long term deals... sleepless in Seattle! Good luck with that one Chris!
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When you sign Rich Harden and Ben Sheets to long term deals... sleepless in Seattle! Good luck with that one Chris!
Would anyone like to blow on my dice? The Seattle 7-11s has a nice ring for a new franchise name.
My view, as the owner of pitcher injury central, is that in the case of a guy blowing out his arm, that should count against the salary. I took on the contract size and more importantly length. I could pay more for a 1-year deal so it's my own call. I can always buy the guy out (hence the longer deals offered at Seattle - i think the risk with Sheets et al. is all or nothing. If it becomes nothing then I buy them out). Also as correctly stated this mirrors reality. The contracts would be guaranteed.
However I was way more pissed when Kenji Johjima bugged out to Japan, leaving me with ten million dollars to pay over the next 2 years. He elected out of his own contract so this one does not mirror reality. I think my view would be elective retirement or electing out of your contract to play abroad should carry some kind of arbitrary buyout fee.
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I would say that if a player retires from baseball because of age or whatever personal reasons, the best option would be to allow a free release, like it would happen in the majors. Maybe a cheaper release instead of a free one, like half the going rate. However, when a player decides to play in a different country it's usually because they weren't good enough for the majors, so in that case the team should be stuck with the bad contract they gave. Likewise with injuries, it's a risk everyone is aware of when giving a large contract.
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I would say that if a player retires from baseball because of age or whatever personal reasons, the best option would be to allow a free release, like it would happen in the majors. Maybe a cheaper release instead of a free one, like half the going rate. However, when a player decides to play in a different country it's usually because they weren't good enough for the majors, so in that case the team should be stuck with the bad contract they gave. Likewise with injuries, it's a risk everyone is aware of when giving a large contract.
This may be worthwhile as we need to replicate MLB as much as possible (within certain restrictions such as cash exchanges). If a player retires under contract then they essentially void their contract, right? However, if they come back then I assume it has to be with the same team, or that team has the rights to the player (without a contract)?
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I'm indifferenct, perhaps we should match MLB rules on this one.
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I'm indifferenct, perhaps we should match MLB rules on this one.
Same thoughts here...
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Time to vote RC... We should probably match MLB on this one and allow a free drop of a retired player. However, the caveat must be that this retiree must be declared whenever free agency is open AND that a comment of the player's voided remaining contract is still in the books (@ $0). If the player decides to come back within the next year then that team has first rights on the player. The GM must decide if they would like to bring the player back at the original contract or release their rights and take on cap hits.
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Agreed. I recommend we follow MLB rules.
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I disagree on this one, I believe that teams that sign old players to large contracts, should have some sort of penality. cause then teams wont bid crazy on old players. Such as Ben Sheets. 15m in Free Agency. And Seattle decided to sign him for the next 3 years. If you were any team YOu would be stupid not to sign old players to long contracts. Its cheaper in the long run. I believe that teams should have to pay the rest of the contract out or a percentage of the contract, to end.
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I disagree on this one, I believe that teams that sign old players to large contracts, should have some sort of penality. cause then teams wont bid crazy on old players. Such as Ben Sheets. 15m in Free Agency. And Seattle decided to sign him for the next 3 years. If you were any team YOu would be stupid not to sign old players to long contracts. Its cheaper in the long run. I believe that teams should have to pay the rest of the contract out or a percentage of the contract, to end.
Good point Chad. What happened in real life with Kenji Johjima? He was on the books for $8m a year through 2011. Now, that money is not on the books because he voided his contract by retiring from MLB and going back to Japan.
One point to keep in mind is that our term limits prevent abuse of long contracts.
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i do understand that we have limits on contracts, but I just think that teams should owe that money or a precentage payed!
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i do understand that we have limits on contracts, but I just think that teams should owe that money or a precentage payed!
50% of normal cap hits?
90/60/30 --> 45/30/15
75/50/25 --> 37.5/25/12.5
OR to be simple
Retired players can only be "retired" during the 90/60/30 season, and the cap hits are 45/30/15?
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I say we do not add any rule at this time, since it seems like we don't really know what the best approach is - we don't yet know how to define exactly what criteria must be met for the drop to be fair. Giving teams a free pass to shell out long contracts to players and then be rid of the contract as soon as they retire is not fair. Having teams get stuck with reasonable contracts when the player retires unexpectedly is not fair.
I say for now, we handle this on a case by case basis:
- If a GM thinks they deserve to be freed from a contract because the player unexpectedly retired early, they open a thread in the Transactions forum stating their case with links to stories supporting their claim (ex: link to MLB.com story that Grant Desme has officially retired from baseball to pursue a life in the priesthood).
- A panel consisting of either the TC, RC, Commish or some combination of the three will review the case and vote on whether the team should be granted special permission.
- If granted, the player's contract is terminated at no cost to the FGM team, and the player becomes a free agent
After we've gone through a season and handled a few real cases, we can revisit this and put together an official set of criteria that must be met for the special drop to be allowed, that is more likely to be fair then what we might draft up now.
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I think we should be bound to injured, retired, or players who choose to go overseas. I chose to sign Andrew Jones to a 3 year deal. I should be bound by that deal regardless of what he does in real life.
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I vote that the contract stay with the team.
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This is a dead issue... moved to NAY.