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Title: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: chrisetc21 on January 11, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
Astros Trade
Mike Leake $8.5m (2020)

Nationals Trade
2017 2nd and 3rd round picks
2018 2nd and 3rd round picks

Astros make the trade to acquire extra picks.  We think we'll have enough pitching to make this move without any problems.  Nationals to confirm.  Thanks to them.
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: leppardkev on January 11, 2017, 02:20:43 PM
Washington confirms, I need yo rebuild my SP, and this is a way for me to that without having to give up what talent I have left. Thanks Houston!!!
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: firemanx on January 11, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: GeoffTheScout on January 11, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
I may not be on the committee but 4 early picks for a 30-year-old SP who is 8.5MM a year and at his best is a 3rd rotation guy is too much. He didn't even have an ERA under 4.5 last year. He would be lucky to be 3rd in the rotation this year. 2 picks should be good enough and he is no where near 8.5 for 3 more years. He didn't even get 700 points last year and is projected just a bit more than that this year.  :veto:
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: chrisetc21 on January 11, 2017, 04:18:25 PM
I may not be on the committee but 4 early picks for a 30-year-old SP who is 8.5MM a year and at his best is a 3rd rotation guy is too much. He didn't even have an ERA under 4.5 last year. He would be lucky to be 3rd in the rotation this year. 2 picks should be good enough and he is no where near 8.5 for 3 more years. He didn't even get 700 points last year and is projected just a bit more than that this year.  :veto:

He's 29 years old and his previous era's are 3.37, 3.70, 3.56, 4.07, and 3.70.  If you want to trade starting pitchers with that track record for a 2nd and 3rd round pick then we should trade.

There's also plenty of precedent for the value here.

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=288434.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=281456.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=272064.msg1181538#msg1181538
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: Brian on January 11, 2017, 04:27:21 PM
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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: GeoffTheScout on January 11, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
He's 29 years old and his previous era's are 3.37, 3.70, 3.56, 4.07, and 3.70.  If you want to trade starting pitchers with that track record for a 2nd and 3rd round pick then we should trade.

There's also plenty of precedent for the value here.

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=288434.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=281456.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=272064.msg1181538#msg1181538


Those were when he was younger he is going to be back end of the rotation for stl and 8.5MM a year is not good value at all for a guy who will be 30 this year and would be massivley lucky if he even got close to a 4.0ERA. But it's my opinion this is a horrid trade even the other guy in the chat knew he was getting screwed in it. Leake has little value at all going forward at that price. Fister who is less money got less and is the better option for the price. And you can't even compare Quintana.
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: GeoffTheScout on January 11, 2017, 05:25:51 PM
I don't think many in the league would do this trade worded like hey man I'll give you an SP who is about to be 30 who makes 8.5MM the next 3 years and scored 781, 890, 810, and 688 over the last four years for 2 ends and 2 3rds.
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: chrisetc21 on January 11, 2017, 05:59:41 PM

Those were when he was younger he is going to be back end of the rotation for stl and 8.5MM a year is not good value at all for a guy who will be 30 this year and would be massivley lucky if he even got close to a 4.0ERA. But it's my opinion this is a horrid trade even the other guy in the chat knew he was getting screwed in it. Leake has little value at all going forward at that price. Fister who is less money got less and is the better option for the price. And you can't even compare Quintana.

Leake will be 30 this year after the season in November.  Lol

Leake is listed 3rd in the Cardinals rotation which isn't the back end of a rotation.  So you're wrong. 

Doug Fister is 32 years old right now, had a 4.64 era last year, and isn't even on a MLB roster. 

What?  :o
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: chrisetc21 on January 11, 2017, 06:06:35 PM
I don't think many in the league would do this trade worded like hey man I'll give you an SP who is about to be 30 who makes 8.5MM the next 3 years and scored 781, 890, 810, and 688 over the last four years for 2 ends and 2 3rds.

It only takes one owner to make a trade, it's not a group effort. 

So he's worth that or not worth that?

You should put your value where your mouth is and trade me Andrew Miller.  He's going to be 32 though, has a big contract, he's only a reliever and a ton of high stress miles on that arm.  He should be worth about a 3rd and 4th rounder according to your value paradigm. 

Should I post?  LMK
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: GeoffTheScout on January 11, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
Miller Scored a bit less than leak so he would be worth more cause you know premium position not many guys score like that who are R P and what not according to you. Leake is half as useful as Miller so 3sts works since you traded less for less.  :toast: Leak may not even finish the year in the rotation STL has 7 guys who can be SP.
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: Mets Donations Accepted on January 11, 2017, 09:23:36 PM
If we're taking the one owner to make a deal method why was there an uoroar with previous deals a majority of the league felt was fair?
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: Maydab23 on January 11, 2017, 11:25:13 PM
When I first saw this trade I thought it was clearly in the astros favor. However, the astros have made this type of trade for future picks many times over the years which is part of the reason his farm is so stacked. If various owners are continually willing to trade future picks in deals like this then obviously it's not that outrageous as some owners just don't value future picks as much as others.

Just because a trade may look uneven at first glance doesn't mean it's necessarily veto worthy. I just hope people *cough* Chris *cough* remember that when they vote on trades. Double standards should not apply.

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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: RSmetana on January 12, 2017, 05:32:38 PM
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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: RyanJames5 on January 12, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
4 picks that high may be a little steep, but nothing close to veto worthy.

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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: Vanadio on January 12, 2017, 05:38:23 PM
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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: Jss0062 on January 12, 2017, 06:28:21 PM
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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: ldsjayhawk on January 12, 2017, 06:37:26 PM
I'd never do it and I'd like to veto it based on the precedence it sets.  Don't come looking for four picks from me for a #3 starter.

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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: frankbullsfan on January 14, 2017, 04:32:50 AM
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Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: chrisetc21 on January 14, 2017, 02:40:44 PM
9 Appprovals
1 Veto

Trade Passes
Title: Re: Trade: Astros / Nationals
Post by: chrisetc21 on January 14, 2017, 02:49:21 PM
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