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ProFSL Front Office => Franchise NHL: Transactions => Franchise NHL => NHL DYNASTY GM HOME => Franchise NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: hockeyfreak6000 on July 08, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
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Here are the new rules for minor league rosters and prospects.
Draftees will be placed onto the MiLR. We have increased the size of the MiLR to 13 players. All drafted players will start in the minors with no contract (N/C) and only have to be signed when the GM feels the need. Minor prospects can be brought up free but once signed to the GM's major league roster they can't be sent back down, the GM than has three choices, release them to FA, trade them, or just keep them. If they remain in the minors without a contract and exceed 40 NHL games played over a 3 year period they have to be signed to their respective draft value right away or be released to FA. So pay attention to games played. If you wish not to sign them, the player in question will be realeased to Free Agency.
Entry Draft Contracts values
Draft Position - Salary
1 thru 3 - 3.0M
4 thru 10 - 2.5M
10 thru 20 - 2.0M
21 thru 25 - 1.5M
25 thru 30 - 1.0M
31 thru 40 - 900k
41 thru 50 - 800k
51 thru 60- 700k
61 thri 70 - 600k
71 thru 80- 500k
81 thru 90 - 400k
91 thru 100 300k
101 thru 120 -200k
When calling up a player you may sign him to a contract that is 1,2, or 3 years. After their rookie contract has finished they are subject to normal extension rates. Your prospects will only show up on your ProFSL roster and will only show up on Fantrax once you have properly requested that he called up. You can request a call up by posting it in the transaction area.
If a prospect is aquired through a trade, that player will go straight to the respective GM's MiLR. Than the GM can call that prospect up when they feel the need and sign him to a contract that follows the values above
If a prospect is aquired through FA that player will go straight to the respective GM's MLR with the contract the winning GM awarded him.
As we changeing the rules from an existing league. We will let you transfer one minor league prospect you have aquired in a trade to your MiLR if you would like too. You can then call him up and sign him to contract according to these values if you like if you feel the need. The player must not have seen any NHL action yet. These changes will take effect today anything before will remain as it was. You can post a request in the transactions section.
If you signed or aquired through a trade anymore than 1 prospect and they are currently on your MLR, than they will remain there and you can revert to the 3 opitions available to you, buyout, trade, or keep. All prospects currently on the major league rosters will have there contracts remain the same untill the term is up.
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Entry Draft Contracts values
Draft Position - Salary
1 thru 5 - 3.0M
6 thru 10 - 2.5M
10 thru 20 - 2.0M
21 thru 25 - 1.5M
25 thru 30 - 1.0M
31 thru 40 - 900k
41 thru 50 - 800k
51 thru 60- 700k
61 thri 70 - 600k
71 thru 80- 500k
81 thru 90 - 400k
91 thru 100 300k
101 thru 110 -200k
111 thru 120 100k
All looks good except for this. First off league minimum contract is 200k so the 111-120 players would have to receive 200k. I think this should emulate the actual NHL. The 1st to 5th picks getting 3m is quite a bit. 1st and 2nd usually get around there. 3rd to 5th get a different amount. Anything out of 1st round usually gets league minimum which is like 600k in the real NHL and 200k in ours.
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thought u were gonna take the minors too 15? :winner:
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All looks good except for this. First off league minimum contract is 200k so the 111-120 players would have to receive 200k. I think this should emulate the actual NHL. The 1st to 5th picks getting 3m is quite a bit. 1st and 2nd usually get around there. 3rd to 5th get a different amount. Anything out of 1st round usually gets league minimum which is like 600k in the real NHL and 200k in ours.
yeah i see what you are saying. The max rookie contract in the nhl with bounuses is almost 3.75 mill cap hit. Alot of first rounder sign for under the max of 850 but have bonuses in their contracts. Which is what I was trying to get too. But I see your point about the league min and I will change that for the lower draft choices.
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fixed a minor loophole
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here is the thread for the rule that was changed...per the topic I started that was locked so no more conversation could be had convieniently...simply had to source it guys...
what was the intent of milr not on fantrax?
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The intent was so teams do not cheat. We want teams to call up there minor league players and sign them to contracts. If we left MiLR players on fantrax, teams could just add them to the starting roster and acumulate points. The whole point of having the MiLR is to have a farm team and promote players. Not to have a seperate set of players gaining points on the side.
Chris,
Lets not clutter the board, PM me if you want.
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The intent was so teams do not cheat. We want teams to call up there minor league players and sign them to contracts. If we left MiLR players on fantrax, teams could just add them to the starting roster and acumulate points. The whole point of having the MiLR is to have a farm team and promote players. Not to have a seperate set of players gaining points on the side.
Chris,
Lets not clutter the board, PM me if you want.
There is no need to pm, this is a league wide conversation. That loophole was already solved, that once a player reaches so many games they must be promoted. Teams in the NHL consistently have call ups and send backs...we haven't got two-way contracts so there is no way to replicate this. Which is why, leaving them on fantrax emulates that. Instead, if I call up Caron and he plays one game and gets sent back, I've started his prospect clock for no reason, and he eats up a roster spot. Do you understand what I am saying. Your system is unrealistic because when my prospects do play in the NHL I can't use them. There is no reason for that part of the rules you guys changed. It does not prevent people from signing players and sending them back down, it has nothing to do with it...
Had the rest of the league understood this I'm sure they'd have been opposed too.
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Chris,
Lets not clutter the board, PM me if you want.
I am not cluttering, I opened a topic and it was locked so I needed another to continue the conversation. There is no reason why the rules cannot be discussed on the public forum. Furthermore, it only adds to this thread, which will be here no matter what...I don't understand how I am cluttering. This conversation should be added to by more GMs. The rule for this one issue needs to be repealed. It harms nobody if we repeal it as long as everyone gets their spects at the same time.
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This has been addressed...Peter has asked you politely to send a pm if you need to discuss further!!
Thank you,
Mike
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This has been addressed...Peter has asked you politely to send a pm if you need to discuss further!!
Thank you,
Mike
This has become a formal proposal to change the rule back. I think you would see how much support there is. Did you read my comment about why your system is flawed? I will not pm to discuss this, there is no reason to.
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Your formal purposal will be voted on after the season is over...until than the rule is in place!!
Thanks
Mike
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This has been locked as ive answered your question and have notified you when the purposal will be voted on!!
Thanks,
Mike
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hey chris, 3 things...
1) discussion is good in any league... especially RE rule changes.
2) disagree with changing rules mid-season / in-season unless theres a grand canyon of a error ... i don't think this qualifies
3) my thoughts on this rule to keep MiLR players off fantrax ... either way is fine since (a) some teams have zero-few NHL ready players while others only have NHL ready players they can move in and out of their fantrax roster daily, (b) every league is different and doesn't have to mimic the NHL 100% ... thought goalies were absolutely needed here in Franchise but one look at Gilly's NYI team and we realize you can play without a goalie... apparently Drew did it last yr.
This was sent via PM in regards to this topic.
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I want to re-post what I had said about the rule in place:
That loophole was already solved, that once a player reaches so many games they must be promoted. Teams in the NHL consistently have call ups and send backs...we haven't got two-way contracts so there is no way to replicate this. Which is why, leaving them on fantrax emulates that. Instead, if I call up Caron and he plays one game and gets sent back, I've started his prospect clock for no reason, and he eats up a roster spot. Do you understand what I am saying. Your system is unrealistic because when my prospects do play in the NHL I can't use them. There is no reason for that part of the rules you guys changed. It does not prevent people from signing players and sending them back down, it has nothing to do with it...
Not allowing players on fantrax does not curb the suggested problem. It has nothing to do with stopping the revolving door. We should be allowed to use our prospects while they are still on our minor league rosters. This is not a radical idea as it has been replicated in other leagues. Managers, realize this rule does nothing to help us and only hurts us in turn...
When Jordan Caron plays a game for the Bruins, my fantasy team should be able to start him or not; without starting the prospect contract clock. We can't send players back down...
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I will concede that the rule change should take place in the next offseason.
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also in regards to pigsrule "(b) every league is different and doesn't have to mimic the NHL 100%"
from the rules:
League Premise
To represent the current atmosphere of NHL for GMs in a manner that works effectively with fantasy hockey while not making it overly complicated to play.
This is why many of the rules were created, to mimic the NHL (such as; cap floor).
And note that the rules for that was never changed by the new administration. I was the last person to modify that rule page and it was done in feb. The intent of the league is to represent the NHL.
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Since this league is meant to have 30 happy Gm's and you not happy with the current set up on that rule...we can put it up for a vote? and the league decides, and if your okay with it like you said, we could implement it for next season....Thoughts on this Chris? Im open to whatever you think, as I would like you to be as happy as the other Gm's in the league!!
Gilly
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Since this league is meant to have 30 happy Gm's and you not happy with the current set up on that rule...we can put it up for a vote? and the league decides, and if your okay with it like you said, we could implement it for next season....Thoughts on this Chris? Im open to whatever you think, as I would like you to be as happy as the other Gm's in the league!!
Gilly
That is how leagues should operate.
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I will take that as a yes....I will chat with Peter and get it up for vote asap!!
Thank you for bringing up this idea for vote :)
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I will take that as a yes....I will chat with Peter and get it up for vote asap!!
Thank you for bringing up this idea for vote :)
Well, since we have all season I think we should have a good discussion first. I haven't heard one reason why the players being excluded from fantrax is good.
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I get your idea of wanting to accumulate points for minor guys without having to call them up or down or being forced to keep them on the minors after calling them up..I agree having to keep them there is maybe not working....what about having two-ways? I just really like the idea of having a seperate farm team that doesnt effect anything on the main roster....or if the league approves changing the rule on the part where u cant send a minor guy back down....so u could call up Nugent for example and if he gets sent to the AHL before 40 games u could just send him back down.
What do you think, Im not againist your idea , just tossing out thoughts for discussion.!!!
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I get your idea of wanting to accumulate points for minor guys without having to call them up or down or being forced to keep them on the minors after calling them up..I agree having to keep them there is maybe not working....what about having two-ways? I just really like the idea of having a seperate farm team that doesnt effect anything on the main roster....or if the league approves changing the rule on the part where u cant send a minor guy back down....so u could call up Nugent for example and if he gets sent to the AHL before 40 games u could just send him back down.
What do you think, Im not againist your idea , just tossing out thoughts for discussion.!!!
Well whats the point of two-ways that leaving a guy on the roster wont achieve? If we put guys on the fantrax and they don't play..no harm, they sit there doing nothing. If they do play and we have two-ways, they get called up and sent back down. It makes no difference except you're talking about way more work tracking two-ways and then callups and send downs. It's an administrative nightmare. I go back to Franchise GM and what we have there works. If you guys would like to monitor call ups thats fine but youre talking about way more work. For example, it could be every day doing two transactions per player (the call up and then send down). Especially in the NHL where guys are called up for one game and sent back down.
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rofl yeah that would be a nightmare for Peter since he does fantrax rosters.....so yeah a lot of discussion needs to happen, which is good :)
I guess the thought process at the time was to have it like two seperate rosters for each GM....to put more emphasis on the minor guys...admin wise not having to post in the transaction forum every time and having to update rosters each time would be easier....but I don't mind doing the work if you guys want it a certain way!!
Is there concern of stacking minor guys since theres no cap there? or do I need sleep cause I dont know if that makes sense lol
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rofl yeah that would be a nightmare for Peter since he does fantrax rosters.....so yeah a lot of discussion needs to happen, which is good :)
I guess the thought process at the time was to have it like two seperate rosters for each GM....to put more emphasis on the minor guys...admin wise not having to post in the transaction forum every time and having to update rosters each time would be easier....but I don't mind doing the work if you guys want it a certain way!!
Is there concern of stacking minor guys since theres no cap there? or do I need sleep cause I dont know if that makes sense lol
You can't stack minor guys for two reasons. A) there is a minor league roster size limit and B) once a guy plays 40 games in their career they must go to the major league roster or be released.
I understand why you guys made changes at first, to close a revolving door of call ups and send downs which effected signing prices for free agent prospects and then getting the cheaper by calling them up, sending them down, and then getting the cheaper contract for the draft position upon the next call up...confusing sorry.
Contractually, two separate rosters are important, but for scoring purposed I don't think it is.
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Chris,
Very good points I see your side as well lots to chat about here :) Im hoping others will jump in and share thoughts as well that way we can go from there for a voteing and such!!
:)
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Chris,
Very good points I see your side as well lots to chat about here :) Im hoping others will jump in and share thoughts as well that way we can go from there for a voteing and such!!
:)
Thank you Mike...I also understand why you guys didn't want a revolving door to the minor leagues.
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For the record, the rule of not being able to send a MiLR player back to the MiRL once you activate him was in place back in end-May when I joined... I still have the pm because I was asking for clarification of the rules.
... Meaning this rule was already in place before Mike and Peter took over as commish. It is the same rule we have in another non-profsl league I am in, so it is not unusual.
Regardless, I agree with the others who replied: unless it is a gaping hole that needs an immediate fix, I'm opposed to major rule changes mid-season.
I think Pinerider is misunderstanding the issue. It isn't about sending players to the minors. The issue is if minors should be on fantrax...allowed to score points.
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You can't stack minor guys for two reasons. A) there is a minor league roster size limit and B) once a guy plays 40 games in their career they must go to the major league roster or be released.
I understand why you guys made changes at first, to close a revolving door of call ups and send downs which effected signing prices for free agent prospects and then getting the cheaper by calling them up, sending them down, and then getting the cheaper contract for the draft position upon the next call up...confusing sorry.
Contractually, two separate rosters are important, but for scoring purposed I don't think it is.
I agree with this post makes sense
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report of my PM reply...
hey chris, 3 things...
1) discussion is good in any league... especially RE rule changes.
2) disagree with changing rules mid-season / in-season unless theres a grand canyon of a error ... i don't think this qualifies
3) my thoughts on this rule to keep MiLR players off fantrax ... either way is fine since (a) some teams have zero-few NHL ready players while others only have NHL ready players they can move in and out of their fantrax roster daily, (b) every league is different and doesn't have to mimic the NHL 100% ... thought goalies were absolutely needed here in Franchise but one look at Gilly's NYI team and we realize you can play without a goalie... apparently Drew did it last yr.
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I don't have a problem changeing things if everybody is on the same page. I strongly disagree that MiLr roster players should be able to collect points on fantrax. Whats the point of a salary cap?
example
Ryan Nugget Hopkins has 19 points already and no contract. If he has a contract he would be a 3 mill cap hit. So with your proposal he would have almost 40 points by the time he would have to be signed. Which also means the owning team can have another player who could have the same points in his slot. Then even when added to the main roster and droping such extra player. The team has a bunch of free points and did not have to tie any cap to it really. I hope that made sence.... lol
I'm open to being able to send players up and down. It can work smoothly like it does in other leagues I'm in but I would need some help on fantrax in some cases..
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I don't have a problem changeing things if everybody is on the same page. I strongly disagree that MiLr roster players should be able to collect points on fantrax. Whats the point of a salary cap?
example
Ryan Nugget Hopkins has 19 points already and no contract. If he has a contract he would be a 3 mill cap hit. So with your proposal he would have almost 40 points by the time he would have to be signed. Which also means the owning team can have another player who could have the same points in his slot. Then even when added to the main roster and droping such extra player. The team has a bunch of free points and did not have to tie any cap to it really. I hope that made sence.... lol
I'm open to being able to send players up and down. It can work smoothly like it does in other leagues I'm in but I would need some help on fantrax in some cases..
Well you could shorten the amount of games that a player has to play before mandatory transfer. Most players don't perform at the exceptional level RNH has...Seguin took his first year to acclimate. Sending players back and forth...it just seems like more work. What are the concerns about having the players added on fantrax and simply left on the rosters. Furthermore it helps the owners to evaluate the talent, and to correlate how their players perform in our system...that's an additional benefit. I can look up stats but its hard to calculate them into points, this is much easier.
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My concerns are the free points with minor leaguers like i said above.
You should only be able to acumalte points for a certin player if you have the cap space, roster space and have included him as part of your roster.
As I have said I'm willing to add call ups. It's the easy solution and something I have been thinking about.
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My concerns are the free points with minor leaguers like i said above.
You should only be able to acumalte points for a certin player if you have the cap space, roster space and have included him as part of your roster.
As I have said I'm willing to add call ups. It's the easy solution and something I have been thinking about.
It isn't free points, you make the decision to draft and hold oonto the players. There are consequences for those choices. If you want to track call ups feel free to my friend. I just think you're wasting your time and unless you plan on updating fantrax multiple times a day, you're going to be bogged down. Furthermore, what if somebody is a scratch and a team is calling a guy up last second. I then in turn post it but unfortunately a staff has no time to do the transaction. The guy plays one game in real life and is sent back to AHL. I then get my guy called up at the next convienece although I no longer need him and I immediately send him back down...two wasted transaction...and I haven't gotten my points...I see this situation happening.
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I vote to leave the rule as it is now. Its much better. Moves were made with this rule in place. No change is needed.
On a side Gilly and Peter have been great at running this league. The league is in far better shape now then it was last spring. Great job boys.
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I vote to leave the rule as it is now. Its much better. Moves were made with this rule in place. No change is needed.
On a side Gilly and Peter have been great at running this league. The league is in far better shape now then it was last spring. Great job boys.
Why is it much better?
nice shot corey
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I'm gonna have to agree with Chris' point though I don't think it's that big of a deal. Minors rules were set from day 1. Forty games then they get paid and occupy a roster spot with the big boys, regardless if they come up and down 39 times. It took me three weeks and $3.5m to get Brett Connelly on my roster when he only had 10 professional games under his belt, but it's all good. I thought the minors roster expansion draft was stupid restricting it to players drafted in 2011. Once again, 40 games is 40 games.
League better or worse? Not sure, only a month into the season. Mike has done a fine job maintaining the competitiveness with replacing deadbeat GMs that were an issue last year. Florida and Pitt keep stealing all my prospects >:( And Drew not having a goalie was karma for ripping off Anahiem in that Hiller deal :P
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I was wonder where all my minor league prospects were on Fantrax.
Glad I caught this thread.
Well organized league!
Thanks!