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the yanks and rockies have come to terms on a deal that will send
CI-OF Hinske, Eric, $0.5m (2011)
P Blackburn, Nick, $0.5m (2011)
P Stewart, Zachary, $0.5m (P-n/a)
to the rockies in exchange for
CI Belt, Brandon, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Sappelt, Dave, $0.5m (P-n/a)
the yanks do this trade for upside, blackburn has been pitching well but im not buying long term, stewart being able to play Rp was tough to deal and hinske is solid and cheap but limited upside.
i will take the chance on belts upside and sappelt as well.
rockies to confirm
i know that the rocks arent supposed to trade for a few more days we asked colby to make an exception and it was done.
thanks for the fun of the negotiations man!
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twins to confirm?
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sorry bud i guess i was thinkin about minn for some god awful reason lol oh wait adrian peterson now i remember hahaha good luck this year man lol
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I would like to hear an explanation from the Rockies GM. Blackburn is a decent SP rental in our scoring system, but Belt is a highly regarded prospect.
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I would like to hear an explanation from the Rockies GM. Blackburn is a decent SP rental in our scoring system, but Belt is a highly regarded prospect.
i will tell u wht he told me and then he can respond to u as well. what he told me is he wanted pitching depth to help him this year apparently a lot of his pitchers are hurt from what i understood that was why we made this deal.....i know you need to hear from him just thought i would tell u this.
:toast:
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Bottomline, I am going for it all this year and the 2 SP will help me out while Bucholz is on DL. Blackburn has pitched great in his last 7 starts. Stewart was a top 10 spec in the jays system for some time and the dual sp/rp ability does give me an advantage. Hinske is my answer for my open CI spot until Wright returns. He is getting regular playing time in atlanta with Prado out.
I confirm.
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I understand the logic, but I am going to vote against this trade. Hinske isn't playing regularly because McLouth is back.
For the trade, I value Belt higher than this. He could ultimately fail, but his OBP, mediocre to mid-level power, and other skills make for great potential in this format. While I understand he could fail, Stewart has not shown success even at the AA level. His numbers have regressed at each level and could easily end up back in the minors soon.
Blackburn's success actually surprised me when I looked him up. He has very solid GB ratio, but not a ton else. I see Sappelt as more valuable than Hinske, he is proving that last year was not a fluke in AA, with great numbers again at AA. Crowded situation in CIN, but he can play Def unlike many of the other OF options. Even if Belt becomes half of his potential, he will outperform the two Pitchers in return each year.
In addition, this value is not near the value that Belt has been traded for this year, when he was the key piece to acquire Joe Mauer. http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=19733.0 (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=19733.0)
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as i was told in another deal of mine what belt was traded for before has no impact on his overall value. if someone else values him more and paid more thats not my problem. i feel i have seen trade equal to this one go through. i dont understand.....but i am new
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as i was told in another deal of mine what belt was traded for before has no impact on his overall value. if someone else values him more and paid more thats not my problem. i feel i have seen trade equal to this one go through. i dont understand.....but i am new
True, but I am allowed to bring it up for the New GM of the Rockies. While previous trades do not factor in, it is shown as an example to back up the rest of my argument. If you take that example away, the rest of the post still states why I don't agree with the trade.
I understand that opinions on Belt are subjective and the next TC member may disagree. This is just my opinion.
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True, but I am allowed to bring it up for the New GM of the Rockies. While previous trades do not factor in, it is shown as an example to back up the rest of my argument. If you take that example away, the rest of the post still states why I don't agree with the trade.
I understand that opinions on Belt are subjective and the next TC member may disagree. This is just my opinion.
no problem man i just wanted to state mine as well.. no hard feelings
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I will disapprove as well. Sorry Rox/Yanks, in my opinion, the ceiling of Belt/Sappelt far outweighs the return. I understand the Rockies looking to acquire pitchers, but Belt's value is relatively established as a top 30 prospect both in ranking sheets and this league, and top prospects garner good to great value in this league.
Replacing Hinske with a better hitter would probably change my mind on this deal, should you guys wish to rework it.
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i will add in another spec to get it done finally but i completly think other similar deals have went through
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If this one gets vetoed as I am suspecting it will, I am going to kindly ask all 29 other teams to please not offer me any trades as the amount of offers and PM's is overwhelming to me. Everyone wants players off of the Rocks and not so much prey, but attempt to possibly obtain a player from a new GM. I have already had 2 trades vetoed and a 3rd within a week is really bad. I will look at specs, free agent signings, extensions etc. of that nature, but no trading for me for awhile. There is a reason that Colby has a rule that a new GM cannot trade for 2 weeks. I know player value, but I need to step back and really look at things. Thanks for understanding.
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i will add in another spec if it will help the TC to not talk people out of trades just because u may not do the deal doesnt mean im ripping him off we are both gettin what we want in a trade! :soapbox:
so the yanks offer to send another spec in this deal if that helps everyone
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P Gibson, Kyle, $0.5m (P-n/a)
P Banuelos, Manny, $0.5m (2011)
P Dwyer, Christopher, $0.5m (P-n/a)
P Duffy, Danny, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Rasmus, Colby, $0.5m (P-2012)
for
OF Upton, Justin, $6.5m (2015)
2.5M in 2011, 2.5M in 2012
Rasmus 16 a game, way better contract
for
Upton 16 a game
AND were now gona add in 4 top 100 specs, Gibson #34, Banuelos #41, Duffy #68, Dwyer #83
Those are Baseball America's rankings. The same rankings has Belt at #23.
The trade above was practically giving a team 4 specs. You can argue that one spec may be needed MAYBE! But 3. So now I am trying to trade for #23 while giving him young workable pieces to win this year.
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Howe still regrets that trade :toast:
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Howe still regrets that trade :toast:
ok but the point is lol this trade isnt any worse then that we both get what we want am i wrong? IF i am everyone help me so i understand......
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And this is why I am no longer on the TC. The Rockies had an obvious need and filled it. The Yanks got a very good prospect whose star has dimmed somewhat since the start of the season, and Sappelt who is like 5 guys in every organization. I am not on the TC (as stated above), but around last years trade deadline there were many similar trades (I for one did Michael Brantley for and injured Andy Pettitte - good job me). I think the problem with the trade is about perception. Belt is a perceived future star, and Stewart and Blackburn are perceived scrubs (this is just the sense I get - I could be wrong). Also Reid has stated that he wants to win now, I think he is of sound mind and body about what he is doing. We cannot keep second guessing every trade and every GM, because that is not the deal that 'we' would have made, or because 'we' could have offered better players. At the same time I also don't think it should be a free for all.
But again this is why we have the TC in place, and their job is not an easy one, I do not envy it.
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Just to throw this out there, Mauer was injured when he was traded for Belt and Ian Stewart. Plus the amount of offers that I received for Belt when he was in Cincy were just plain horrible. If I had accepted one of those out of need, would it have been vetoed - those offers came from some of our most vocal members. Just saying. I might still have the offers in my PM inbox if anyone wants to see them.
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I have never been a member of the TC, but let's try to look at the big picture here. Can we honestly say that the TC has been too heavy-handed in a league in which three of the teams (Mets, Cubs, and Angels) with the largest salary caps are bottom feeders through no fault of their current owners? If anything, you could argue that the TC has been too lenient in approving deals.
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Just to throw this out there, Mauer was injured when he was traded for Belt and Ian Stewart. Plus the amount of offers that I received for Belt when he was in Cincy were just plain horrible. If I had accepted one of those out of need, would it have been vetoed - those offers came from some of our most vocal members. Just saying. I might still have the offers in my PM inbox if anyone wants to see them.
dan dont tease me that would be amazing! im just glad at least someone else see's my point of view
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Imo, based on the amount of owner turnover and team hopping, we risk becoming a league with 5-6 great teams and a lot of pretenders if we don't extend the TC some latitude. Take a good look at the NL Central, and you'll see my point.
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Imo, based on the amount of owner turnover and team hopping, we risk becoming a league with 5-6 great teams and a lot of pretenders if we don't extend the TC some latitude. Take a good look at the NL Central, and you'll see my point.
i understand that im new and my opinion isnt looked at as important or knowledgable but i pride myself in researching things most times and knowing most things in league im in. with that said all i want is for them to be consistent. yes the job they have is hard but the rocks in this deal would fill voids they had for the run this year and the yanks get something back for giving up two guys who can start. im so confused
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I will have to add another disapproved vote. I find nothing wrong with getting players as rentals but level of rental should determine level of prospects and heinske and Blackburn are not top level prospect level quality. Have to ask yourself if you have to defend a trade with 5 other responses is key isn't even deal. TC isn't here to screw a team but to help all teams avoid deals that can hurt especially when involves team who I'm sure hasn't had chance to see full effect of what players in scoring and dollar amounts have best value.
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the interesting part is every person not on the TC has no problem with it lol
SO THE LATEST NEW IS THIS THE ROCKIES CAN NOT TRADE WITH THE YANKS
go ahead and move this topic whoever can its a waste of my time
have a great day everyone
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the interesting part is every person not on the TC has no problem with it lol
ok the TC know what they are doing that is why they are on there and i am not on the TC and i dont think this is that good of a trade for the rockies because belt is a high prospect and hinske, blackburn, are lower level rentals if it was higher rentals it would be better
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ok the TC know what they are doing that is why they are on there and i am not on the TC and i dont think this is that good of a trade for the rockies because belt is a high prospect and hinske, blackburn, are lower level rentals if it was higher rentals it would be better
I do this to get saunders who i really like and think he will be a good player. Plus i get hinske who is doing good and will fill ortiz's spot. As a red sox fan ortiz will be missed.
I guess it is all in the timing then?
He was valuable enough to get traded for a proven commodity in big papi, but heaven forbid... not a prospect! (sarcasm)
I'm going to have to agree with Reid here, the Reds aren't trading with anyone either. Trades have now become a public forum for everyone's opinion on other teams players, and GMs moves. Where was everyone when Bridgestone dropped Jenrry Mejia, after Mejia being a huge part in him trading Soto to the Brewers? Or when the Lazydude and the Cutter built the Rockies, and set two franchises back?
I know I have thrown my opinion around in the past, but I think from this moment forward transaction should only be for the teams involved and the TC. I also think the way we view trades might need to be reviewed. In the past once a GM gave the reason he did it, and it made sense the trade was passed. Now we are just keeping people from building their teams the way they want to.
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ok that was a bad trade but at the point ortiz was only doing 3 points better than hinske and saunders wasn't in AAA
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I disagree with this. If Col was an experienced GM, I believe there is more allowed in building the team as he would want. The fact is that he has done nothing to give this league any confidence that he is fully aware of all of the rules and the scoring (please see the questions on edr and extensions after the trade).
I believe the fact that he is a new GM given a good team is being lost in the opinions.
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I disagree with this. If Col was an experienced GM, I believe there is more allowed in building the team as he would want. The fact is that he has done nothing to give this league any confidence that he is fully aware of all of the rules and the scoring (please see the questions on edr and extensions after the trade).
I believe the fact that he is a new GM given a good team is being lost in the opinions.
So if he was around for 3 months he could trade Jay Bruce for 5 or 6 fringe prospects like Bridgestone did, or Lazydude did, or The Cutter did? I fail to see the rationale behind your statement. He has watched the scoring for two weeks and he needs pitching, he said so on his trade block. Plus we have guys who have been here since last season that don't understand the EDR and re-signing process.
So if I was to have taken an offer I was given in the off-season for Belt, say umm, oh who was it? Oh yeah Tommy Hunter. If I chose to except the offer, no one would have stopped it? Should I continue posting crap offers that have been sent to me that the people that sent to me thought were good, and were here long enough to know the value of what they were offering and what I would have been accepting?
My point being, is it is fine when someone walks away with John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, or Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez, but when someone else attempts to do it the roof caves in. We can't put plastic wrap on everyone's players. We can't baby proof every GM office.
He said it in his own words why he was doing it.
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I wasn't looked at that way, I was allowed to make trades even though I was new and I was trusted
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So if he was around for 3 months he could trade Jay Bruce for 5 or 6 fringe prospects like Bridgestone did, or Lazydude did, or The Cutter did? I fail to see the rationale behind your statement. He has watched the scoring for two weeks and he needs pitching, he said so on his trade block. Plus we have guys who have been here since last season that don't understand the EDR and re-signing process.
So if I was to have taken an offer I was given in the off-season for Belt, say umm, oh who was it? Oh yeah Tommy Hunter. If I chose to except the offer, no one would have stopped it? Should I continue posting crap offers that have been sent to me that the people that sent to me thought were good, and were here long enough to know the value of what they were offering and what I would have been accepting?
My point being, is it is fine when someone walks away with John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, or Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez, but when someone else attempts to do it the roof caves in. We can't put plastic wrap on everyone's players. We can't baby proof every GM office.
He said it in his own words why he was doing it.
i dont see how the TC cant see this point, guys all im asking for is for you to explain it to me since im not smart enough to realize the difference
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The offers I have gotten for the MOST PART have been from I could try to counteroffer to absolutely absurd. I think 1 huge issue in here is people are sharks and attempt to get the most they can in a trade while giving up the least amount. This is only in my limited time in here and not meant to call out anyone in particular. I think some of the owners in here can attest to that. Not everyone in here is like that, but I have noticed some owners offer not much better than what they offered me 2 weeks ago and I say no thanks like Jake wants us to. I have zero issues with the TC as they just want the noob (me) to completely understand the rulebook and scoring. Once I demonstrate I understand these, everything from my end will be smooth. I think we're all just overreacting to a trade. It's fantasy gents, let's not turn on each other and make a HUGE DEAL about a trade. Whether it passes or gets vetoed, life goes on and so does FGM which I might add is an awesome league. Like I said in a previous post, I am going to refrain from trading for awhile. You may still send offers for on down the line, but consider the Rocks closed for business for awhile.
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Guru you are new meat that happened to inherit a team with some very good players. There are some in this league that would love to take advantage but there are also some who believe in a deal that is mutually beneficial. You'll figure it out
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So if he was around for 3 months he could trade Jay Bruce for 5 or 6 fringe prospects like Bridgestone did, or Lazydude did, or The Cutter did? I fail to see the rationale behind your statement. He has watched the scoring for two weeks and he needs pitching, he said so on his trade block. Plus we have guys who have been here since last season that don't understand the EDR and re-signing process.
So if I was to have taken an offer I was given in the off-season for Belt, say umm, oh who was it? Oh yeah Tommy Hunter. If I chose to except the offer, no one would have stopped it? Should I continue posting crap offers that have been sent to me that the people that sent to me thought were good, and were here long enough to know the value of what they were offering and what I would have been accepting?
My point being, is it is fine when someone walks away with John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, or Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez, but when someone else attempts to do it the roof caves in. We can't put plastic wrap on everyone's players. We can't baby proof every GM office.
He said it in his own words why he was doing it.
IM NOT TRYING TO BE A DICK BUT DOES NO ONE HAVE A RESPONSE TO THIS????
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I'm creating a new topic on the main page related to this discussion.
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thanks man i do think it needs to be discussed