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MI Weeks, Rickie, $0.5m (2011)
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OF Crawford, Carl, $12m (2014)
4M from 2011 to 2014
LAD agrees, DET to confirmed.
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Detroit Tigers confirm.
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Approved
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:iatp:
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:iatp:
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I'm not a TC member but you might want to look at the financial ramifications for the Tiger when approving this trade. $4m for Crawford and a huge raise for Weeks while the Tigers are hovering around the cap?
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I'm not a TC member but you might want to look at the financial ramifications for the Tiger when approving this trade. $4m for Crawford and a huge raise for Weeks while the Tigers are hovering around the cap?
I certainly considered this when evaluating the trade. I reviewed Weeks yesterday and the $16.5m he is due. Weeks is at a premium position and has stayed healthy last season and this season. Crawford is once again dealing with leg injuries (consistently hamstring or knee). Even his best month this year, he has not shown to be the same OBP force.
While I was not a fan of the $ going from Det to LAD with Crawford, I did not feel it was a reason to vote against the trade. Crawford may turn out to be a bargain for LAD, but may not. Weeks being a premium player at a weak position is the reason I approved this trade.
I did assume that Hank knows the extension that Weeks is due, he has been a GM in this league for some time.
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I did assume that Hank knows the extension that Weeks is due, he has been a GM in this league for some time.
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Are you sure Hank understands that he will be responsible for an additional $20.5m if he wants to secure Weeks for more than the rest of this year?.
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Note sure where that number is coming from Rick, but it's 16.5M.
Like I already mentioned in a PM, Hank has 9.5M coming off his books just from Cordero and Lowe's contracts. There is a further 8M saving from the Crawford deal.
There are some GMs who think along the line of "why pay Weeks now when I get just bid for him on the free agent market?"
That logic is pretty flawed in my opinion. Corey has a 75M war chest, Kris has at least 30M to spend, Jeff has about 20M to spend, and I have at least 15M even if I resign Weeks. There is no way Weeks will be signed for less than the current market value in the open market. Last offseason, Nishioka went for 38M. It's more than reasonable to assume Weeks will get at least double that.
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I think is just looking out and making sure that Hank knows the rules thats all. I mean I thought the same thing as Rick when I saw the deal. There is noway in heck he should pay any money on Crawford. Its complete dumb that he would. So Rick and I were at least on the same page, thinking if he is willing to pay Carl, maybe he doesnt know the rules or doesn't understand the extension.
Rick, thanks for voicing your opinion for the sake of a another team and the league. I applaud and think we all should do that more often.
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Note sure where that number is coming from Rick, but it's 16.5M.
Like I already mentioned in a PM, Hank has 9.5M coming off his books just from Cordero and Lowe's contracts. There is a further 8M saving from the Crawford deal.
There are some GMs who think along the line of "why pay Weeks now when I get just bid for him on the free agent market?"
That logic is pretty flawed in my opinion. Corey has a 75M war chest, Kris has at least 30M to spend, Jeff has about 20M to spend, and I have at least 15M even if I resign Weeks. There is no way Weeks will be signed for less than the current market value in the open market. Last offseason, Nishioka went for 38M. It's more than reasonable to assume Weeks will get at least double that.
The $20.5m comes from the salary for Weeks plus the $4m Detroit is paying you to take Crawford. Simple math Howe.
War Chest mean nothing. I've got roughly $40m to spend this off season, even if I resign my potential FA's, so what?
IMO-You are taking advantage of a GM in a bad situation and that is detrimental to the league.
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Note sure where that number is coming from Rick, but it's 16.5M.
Like I already mentioned in a PM, Hank has 9.5M coming off his books just from Cordero and Lowe's contracts. There is a further 8M saving from the Crawford deal.
There are some GMs who think along the line of "why pay Weeks now when I get just bid for him on the free agent market?"
That logic is pretty flawed in my opinion. Corey has a 75M war chest, Kris has at least 30M to spend, Jeff has about 20M to spend, and I have at least 15M even if I resign Weeks. There is no way Weeks will be signed for less than the current market value in the open market. Last offseason, Nishioka went for 38M. It's more than reasonable to assume Weeks will get at least double that.
That "flawed logic" as you put it is pretty much the basis for trade talks in real life. In real life, teams that trade a player 1-2 away from free agency generally get a nice haul. Look what the Rangers got for Teixeira (Andrus, Feliz, Harrison, etc). If the Braves wait until the trade deadline of the walk year, they get Casey Kotchman for Teixeira to cite one example.
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The $20.5m comes from the salary for Weeks plus the $4m Detroit is paying you to take Crawford. Simple math Howe.
War Chest mean nothing. I've got roughly $40m to spend this off season, even if I resign my potential FA's, so what?
IMO-You are taking advantage of a GM in a bad situation and that is detrimental to the league.
well said Rick. Great Point Roy. :toth: to both of you
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Yes, I know how much we need to pay Weeks to resign him. Money will be freed up next season, it shouldn't be a concern.
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The $20.5m comes from the salary for Weeks plus the $4m Detroit is paying you to take Crawford. Simple math Howe.
War Chest mean nothing. I've got roughly $40m to spend this off season, even if I resign my potential FA's, so what?
IMO-You are taking advantage of a GM in a bad situation and that is detrimental to the league.
Good job playing with the numbers, I can do the same, Weeks will be paid 16.5 + 4 - 9 = 10.5M next year.
War Chest meaning nothing? What does that even mean? What are you going to with the extra $, let is sit and accrute interest Why risk been subject to market inflation when you can lock up the players to a certain price?
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Is that why Fielder, with no contract, fetched Hosmer/Lamb/Weglarz in FGM?
Is that why Lee, with less than a year left, fetched Smoak?
When Kotchman was traded, he was coming off a .296/.372/.476 season as a 24 y/o.
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Is that why Fielder, with no contract, fetched Hosmer/Lamb/Weglarz in FGM?
Is that why Lee, with less than a year left, fetched Smoak?
When Kotchman was traded, he was coming off a .296/.372/.476 season as a 24 y/o.
I'd like to call a timeout. Hank has replied and addressed the financial aspect of the deal. Let the TC evaluation continue.
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If you had had a war chest in Denver you may still be the GM of the Rockies. It is unsustainable as is and you knew it. I suspect that you saw the impending problem that is the Rockies roster and got out of Dodge while the getting was good. Problem is you were handed a team with as much talent and more money. And, YES, I do have an ax to grind here.
Good luck Hank! Apparently you have a plan to finance this deal and that's great. I'd just be careful in my dealings with Howe. He will insure that he comes out with the better end of the deal.
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Good luck Hank! Apparently you have a plan to finance this deal and that's great. I'd just be careful in my dealings with Howe. He will insure that he comes out with the better end of the deal.
Thanks man.
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Paying money on Crawford baffles the crap out of me, but I'll approve.
Good luck Hank.
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:iatp: I think it is a good deal. If I were Detroit I would had done it and I am no fan of Weeks. I think the increase in production is worth the extra $ he is paying. Regarding the cap woes, some rules have already been passed to take care of the matter and this deal does not break the rules. Plus, I am sure that if need be he will be able to trade away Weeks and get similar value to Crawford.