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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: OUDAN on June 11, 2011, 02:01:39 AM
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yanks send
SP Greinke, Zack, $9.5m (2012)
to the Rockies for
MI Pedroia, Dustin, $7m (2015)
i do this deal to finally sure up my MI. hurts my pitching a little but MI is hard to fill so it was the right move.
rockies to confirm
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In my first trade in here, I decided to go for another top tier SP who is on a contending team to make a run for it this year. He is back healthy now and getting better in every start. My offense is good enough to survive the hit of losing Peds although I will miss him.
I confirm.
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Before voting I would like to address fantasyguru, the new GM, and ask if you have checked the scoring system. This league values hitters more than pitchers and MIs in particular are very scarce. Also, Pedroia's contract is cheaper than Greinke's and he is wrapped up until 2015. Check players' scores on fantrax for the last couple of years so you can get a better grasp of the difference in values between starters and hitters. If after you do that you still want to go ahead with the trade I will approve it, but not yet because I think you may have not had the time to properly grasp the scoring system. This is just an informative comment since you may have been treating this league like others in which the trade would make more sense.
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Before voting I would like to address fantasyguru, the new GM, and ask if you have checked the scoring system. This league values hitters more than pitchers and MIs in particular are very scarce. Also, Pedroia's contract is cheaper than Greinke's and he is wrapped up until 2015. Check players' scores on fantrax for the last couple of years so you can get a better grasp of the difference in values between starters and hitters. If after you do that you still want to go ahead with the trade I will approve it, but not yet because I think you may have not had the time to properly grasp the scoring system. This is just an informative comment since you may have been treating this league like others in which the trade would make more sense.
:iatp:
The other thing is that you have 4 SPs already and not backup at MI at all. Going over the chat, it seems like you were interested in Beckett as well. Here is the market value for Beckett (how the Yankes got him in the first place):
twins trade:
P Beckett, Josh, $8.5m (2014)
X-SP Beckett, Josh, Cash Exchanged on Contract, $-5m in 2011
RP League, Brandon, $1m (2011)
yanks trade:
SP Chapman, Aroldis, $4m (2012)
Well I am happy that my most significant dividional rival just a got a lot weaker, I hate to see my old team get picked on. I am sure fantasyguru is very capable manager but is just unfamilar with the unique settings of this league.
PS. You were wondering why Burnett is at $0 this year:
This is his contract: SP Burnett, A.J., $16.5m (2013)
If you scroll to the Cap Exchanges, Cap Hit section, you will see the following:
X-SP Burnett, A.J., Cash Exchage on Contract $6.5m (2013), $m in 2011
X-SP Burnett, A.J., Cash Exchange on Contract, $6m (2012), $-16.5m in 2011
Therefore, his contract is 16.5M - 16.5M = 0M for 2011, 16.5M - 6.5M = 10M in 2012, and 16.5M - 6.5M = 10M in 2013.
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Ok guys guru and I are both happy with what this trade does for our respective teams I don't see the problem here everyone has the right to build their team the way they feel is best. Guru has obviously looked over everything and likes what this does for his team. It's not even vetoable.
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it is vetoable because a top MI is more valueable than a top SP and pedroia is on a better contract too. plus fantasyguru is new so they want to make sure he knows that
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Ok guys guru and I are both happy with what this trade does for our respective teams I don't see the problem here everyone has the right to build their team the way they feel is best. Guru has obviously looked over everything and likes what this does for his team. It's not even vetoable.
The problem is that guru probably hasn't had the time to review our scoring system properly.It is the duty of league members to protect new managers from making trades that are harmful to their teams future. Pedroia for Greinke surely makes sense in a regular league in which you want to improve your pitching at the expense of your hitters, but in this league and with those contracts it is far from the same. Worth noting that last year's injury riddled season for Pedroia still outscored Greinke's year. And when Greinke had his Cy Young season, Pedroia outscored him in this league by almost a thousand points. And it is not like Greinke is named Roy Halladay, he has just had one stellar season in his life.
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if i may chime in. If guru does understand the scoring, and wants zach, then no it isn't vetoable. Its a top sp for a top mi. Similar trades have happened. I've done a few myself.
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Agreed, if Guru is happy, we will evaluate. I encourage new managers to go back through the Transactions and look at similar trades and also evaluate Pedroia's trades. I believe he went BOS to WAS to COL. There may have been another team involved. Howe maybe you can direct where he came from.
Reid please chime in and give us more feedback on your perspective.
Thanks
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Pedroia was initially traded from BOS to WAS:
Red Sox receive:
SP Maholm, Paul, $5m (2011)
MI Uggla, Dan, $10.5m (2010)
OF Torres, Andres, $0.5m (2010)
Nationals receive:
MI Pedroia, Dustin, $7m (2015)
OF Kalish, Ryan, $0.5m (P-2013)
After a lot of back and forth with Jake (WAS's GM), COL was able to acquire him in the following deal:
CI Youkilis, Kevin, $10.5m (2013)
SP Bromberg, David, $0.5m (P-n/a)
Rockies receive:
MI Pedroia, Dustin, $7m (2015)
C Romine, Austin, $0.5m (P-n/a)
P Rodriguez, Henry, $0.5m (P-n/a)
Reid, if you have a compelling argument for the deal then we are all ears. But as late as 11pm last night, you didn't even know that AJ Burnett had a $0 cap hit this year.
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i am with dan, i have seen deals like this go through even since i have been here. I think its horrible that some trades are allowed and then the next one that does the samething gets vetoed. TC get it together and be CONSISTENT PLEASE. i know its a hard role to have but just be consistent and it wont be a big deal
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i am with dan, i have seen deals like this go through even since i have been here. I think its horrible that some trades are allowed and then the next one that does the samething gets vetoed. TC get it together and be CONSISTENT PLEASE. i know its a hard role to have but just be consistent and it wont be a big deal
Unfortunately you don't get to vote on your own trades :toth:
I think the TC is saying if Ried speaks up and clarifies that he understands the scoring, understands the value between pitchers and MI's and is still in favor of this trade, they'll let it go through. But just like with other trades the TC had concerns with, he NEEDS to make such a post otherwise it will be vetoed (consistency).
I think requesting new GM's to give justification on their first few trades makes sense even if they're not questionable, just so we can gain the confidence in them to let them make moves in the future that others might see as questionable. Also, has it been 2 weeks since Reid took over the Rockies, or are we no longer implementing that rule?
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Unfortunately you don't get to vote on your own trades :toth:
I think the TC is saying if Ried speaks up and clarifies that he understands the scoring, understands the value between pitchers and MI's and is still in favor of this trade, they'll let it go through. But just like with other trades the TC had concerns with, he NEEDS to make such a post otherwise it will be vetoed (consistency).
I think requesting new GM's to give justification on their first few trades makes sense even if they're not questionable, just so we can gain the confidence in them to let them make moves in the future that others might see as questionable. Also, has it been 2 weeks since Reid took over the Rockies, or are we no longer implementing that rule?
I had that rule somewhere in the back of my mind and didn't remember if it was still around. Was about to bring it up as well.
Daniel, regarding your comments, we have not yet voted against the trade, we have just asked guru pertinent questions because since he is new he may not be aware of how the league functions. He needs to read the comments and reply in order for us to be able to vote on the trade.
Dan, I believe no trade has ever happened in the league in which a top MI with such a favorable contract is traded for a top SP with a regular contract. If you remember any, please post it so we can have it as a reference. Also, it is not a matter of whether it is vetoable or not yet. It is a matter of whether reid understands the scoring system and the value of players of this league since he has just taken over.
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Wow, I've never seen a trade so heavily analyzed that is fair on paper. After reading the posts before mine here, I wonder about Peds knee and can he stay healthy? He has been mired in a crap season and its debatable whether he can be even healthy going forward. Grienke is more expensive and I do lose a valuable MI bat. I am torn on what to do in this trade as I hear everyone else saying hitters are more valuable than pitchers. I have not checked up on this no as I did not know. That tells me the scoring system should be more balanced, but that's an argument for another day. Colby picked me for a reason and the team I took over is elite. I did say i would not jump the gun and the other offers besides this one would have done just that. I consider myself a good trader, but when a fair trade gets critiqued in a league where the passion and activity is borderline ridiculous which is awesome lol tells me that I need to think things thru more. I have decided after typing this short novel that I will hang onto Peds for the time being. I hate backing out of an agreed trade and it makes me look like a wussy. However, I want the long term best interest of my team and the league to be above my ego and let this thru.
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Daniel V there have been instances in the past where bats have been traded for pitchers. Both players are of elite pedigree. I was respondin to someone's post, don't know who, who said it should be vetoed. I agree that new GMs should have a little more protection so to speak until they get a full grasp of the league. But zack was quite the commodity after 2009, so to say there is a tremendous value discrency between the two players is untrue...that is all i was getting at. If reid felt his team was lacking another ace, and felt pedroia was disposable-he doesn't- but if he did i don't think i could disagree with him, if that is his opinion. And Howe, all due respect, u gave up the rockies, if you are going to chime in everytime reid makes a move, then you should have stayed put. Just saying.
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THIS IS BULLCrap! everyone making him second guess himself god just wait til u guys have a slightly debated trade. we need to make some changes to the TC nothing is consistent with it!
guru i will add in a MI to take peds place come on dont let them ruin our negotiations we can get this done
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we were just telling him because he is new and i think the TC is pretty consistent for the most part
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i disagree i have seen trade like this one go through in the month or so i have been on here. it seems to me its all about who gets what they want as to if the veto it sorry guess i just need to vent since guru and i were BOTH happy with this deal
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i know but since he is new they were just making sure he knew that a pitcher has less value than a hitter
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to late now, thanks guys :soapbox:
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THIS IS BULLcrap! everyone making him second guess himself god just wait til u guys have a slightly debated trade. we need to make some changes to the TC nothing is consistent with it!
You're out of line here ... it is the responsibility of the TC to protect new members from making bad trades because they don't understand our complex rules. I believe they all stated they would not veto, but they wanted Reid to confirm he understood what he was doing before they allowed it. Had Reid said yes, the trade would have gone through. This is absolutely the TC's job, and consistent with how they have treated similar trades in the past.
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You're out of line here ... it is the responsibility of the TC to protect new members from making bad trades because they don't understand our complex rules. I believe they all stated they would not veto, but they wanted Reid to confirm he understood what he was doing before they allowed it. Had Reid said yes, the trade would have gone through. This is absolutely the TC's job, and consistent with how they have treated similar trades in the past.
just weird he loved the trade last night and allof the bull Crap comments that were made made him second guess himself. forget it its done and over but like i said worse trades have went through maybe i am outta line but he and i talked all day yesterday and were fine til u all started tryin to sell him on the other side of the deal.
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just weird he loved the trade last night and allof the bull crap comments that were made made him second guess himself. forget it its done and over but like i said worse trades have went through maybe i am outta line but he and i talked all day yesterday and were fine til u all started tryin to sell him on the other side of the deal.
Yes, the TC tried to make sure he understood our league and when he did he realized this would be a bad trade. If he still wanted it to go through it would have, no one was going to stand in the way. Good job by the TC, time to stop cursing at them.
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Yes, the TC tried to make sure he understood our league and when he did he realized this would be a bad trade. If he still wanted it to go through it would have, no one was going to stand in the way. Good job by the TC, time to stop cursing at them.
sorry for the cursing but if the tulo deal doesnt get vetoed and mine did there will be a huge problem
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yours didnt get vetoed they were just making sure that he understund the scoring and he wasnt aware and he decided not to do it after he relooked the scoring
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sorry for the cursing but if the tulo deal doesnt get vetoed and mine did there will be a huge problem
I'm not quite sure what this means. I understand you are upset as I was with my Reyes deal but lets try to stay professional. I know how you are feeling but you need to relax.
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LTD, you need to take a step back, respect the process and respect the league. We all have experienced a new GM making trades without knowing the rules and scoring completely.
Your posts on this topic actually make the trade look worse because you seem to be trying to force it through.
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i know it makes it seem like he knew it was a bad trade for fantasyguru and he thats why he wants it so bad
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I'm sorry u giysfeel that way but that's not the case I just want pedroia that bad.
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If you want Pedroia that bad maybe you should renegotiate the deal with him so that it makes more sense. Maybe offering aaron hill and picking up some money on Greinke or something like that. I am sure you will be able to get him paying the right price.
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ok guys sorry for freaking out earlier i just felt like there were other trades that had went through that were close to the same. i hope for guru and i to be able to renegotiate
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I will veto this trade also, as the Rockies have admitted they are unfamiliar with the rules at this time.
As a side note, seeing how this trade would go through in many other leagues, I would strongly recommend we stay on course in re-evaluating our scoring system next season, so these hitter-for-pitcher swaps are not so heavily scrutinized.