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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: History Books => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: GM & Team News => Topic started by: Daniel on May 16, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
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I don't want to sound upset or anything, but I would like to point out that I sent many inquiries and an offer to Corey regarding all the players he recently traded away and never even got a response.
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Sorry Daniel, you are not the only one who can say that. I fielded 16 offers for Beltran and 4 for Krod and another 12 for Carp. I simply did not have the time to pm all people who offered telling them I was not interested in there offer.
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If there is so much interest in all these players then why the hurry in trading them all away? Wouldn't it make more sense to counter-offer every team so you can get the most value? It is not like you are competing this year or near the trade deadline. I am sure there was more than enough time to consider everyone's offers before accepting trades.
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In Corey's defense, there is a risk to holding out for the best value. Your player of many people's interest could easily get hurt. I generally don't wait to hear from everyone and make quicker moves. I imagine other GMs are like this as well.
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If there is so much interest in all these players then why the hurry in trading them all away? Wouldn't it make more sense to counter-offer every team so you can get the most value? It is not like you are competing this year or near the trade deadline. I am sure there was more than enough time to consider everyone's offers before accepting trades.
I think it is fairly obvious to everyone that receives a trade block notification, that the new Yankees owner is going to go find another deal, if you do not strike the deal with him quickly.
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Every offer was considered. I am very happy with all 3 deals I made. And I get considerable young talent back in Goldschmidt and Perez. Arod will keep the Mets with a reasonable scoring option to help try and make my team reasonable competitive. The huge thing for me is Beltran and Blake are always hurt, so trading them now and not in late july when Beltran will be on the DL is a good idea. Plus i shed the contract of Vernon Wells in this deal.
I am very high on both Goldschmidt and Perez, and no team offered a player with the potential of Goldschmidt in a deal. The deal was not rushed and in fact I fielded offers 5 days before making the move.
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I think it is fairly obvious to everyone that receives a trade block notification, that the new Yankees owner is going to go find another deal, if you do not strike the deal with him quickly.
:rofl:
~MTK
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I just find it kind of unfair that he goes directly and trades all players of value to the Yankees, without even discussing properly with other teams to see what they have to offer. The Yankees obviously have all his favorite prospects since he was building that team himself and it is unfair to the league to not give proper consideration to the rest of the teams. In football/soccer for example when a manager is bought out from his contract to join another team he usually has to sign an agreement under which he cannot buy players from his previous teamuntil a certain period of time has passed to prevent situations as this.
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I think it is fairly obvious to everyone that receives a trade block notification, that the new Yankees owner is going to go find another deal, if you do not strike the deal with him quickly.
Yeah... there is so much interest on A-Rod in the trade block discussion that I'm sure he had hundreds of offers as good as that one lined up.
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Carpenter went to Minnesota. Lackey, Wells, Beltran and Blake went to NYY. Krod to Pit.
Lackey/Wells have no value with the contracts they have. So in theory trading Beltran and Blake two injury guys for Arod, Goldschmidt, Perez and Jokisch is a bad move then I guess we agree to disagree.
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Plus, Corey himself recently complained when another owner didn't respond to his trade offer. And it is not like I sent only one message, I sent at least three expressing great interest and being open to negotiations. I expected at least an answer before he dealt all those players away...
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I could give a crap less if Mike responds to my offers. I posted that so Mike would read it and view it. Because Mike has went 2+ weeks without signing into profsl 4 times since Jan 1 and he went 20 days without signing into fantrax. But that isnt a violation in our conduct, so I had to use the trade thing to make it more of a big deal. Im pretty sure no owner in this league expects a response from him.
Im sorry the Yanks offer was better than yours daniel.
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I believe I have received 1-2 PMs from Mike during my time here(and most of ya'll know how much I send PMs/trade). Both of those were obviously after I initiated the conversation (I wouldn't call it a negotiation that's for sure). I usually don't get a response out of Doug and Chad (Clidwin) usually responds after 4-5 days haha.
~MTK
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Corey, this is not about whose offer is better or worse. And you don't even know how much I was willing to give up for one of those players because you never even answered. It is about the lack of response and the existing bias towards your previous team's players.
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Yeah... there is so much interest on A-Rod in the trade block discussion that I'm sure he had hundreds of offers as good as that one lined up.
u r correct if u r not interested in something soon i will move on AND WILL find someone who is sorry. im not patient i run my team just like george would thats just me!!!!!
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Doesnt everyone have there favorite players? So yes i prefer some players over others, just like anyone else does. Your right I did not get back to you. When i read you pm saying all your specs area available, then i saw other offers I had received. I then took a look at your roster. None of your prospects measure up to Goldschmidt. I am very high on Perez as well. So with this being said I apoligize for not pming you saying no thanks.
Back to the regards of me being biased on former players, you can say that about anything. If you asked Aubrey who he would rather have Heyward or Rasmus or Upton who would he say.... (sorry Aubrey for putting you out there) So yes i prefer Goldschmidt over a lot of specs. Thats why I went to Omar with Michael Young, asking for Goldschmidt.
This doesnt make me biased. Everyone has favorites, its part of sports.
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I would personally take Jake's mom. :taco: (sorry Jake for putting you out here)
-Somewhere, Dan Wood is smiling.
~MTK
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Yeah, but you are paying for Goldschmidt like he was a phenom such as Bryce Harper. He hasn't even played AAA ball yet, was not even ranked as a top 100 prospect and struck out 161 times in A-ball. Yes his numbers are pretty impressive, but he is very young and unproven.
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Doesnt everyone have there favorite players? So yes i prefer some players over others, just like anyone else does. Your right I did not get back to you. When i read you pm saying all your specs area available, then i saw other offers I had received. I then took a look at your roster. None of your prospects measure up to Goldschmidt. I am very high on Perez as well. So with this being said I apoligize for not pming you saying no thanks.
Back to the regards of me being biased on former players, you can say that about anything. If you asked Aubrey who he would rather have Heyward or Rasmus or Upton who would he say.... (sorry Aubrey for putting you out there) So yes i prefer Goldschmidt over a lot of specs. Thats why I went to Omar with Michael Young, asking for Goldschmidt.
This doesnt make me biased. Everyone has favorites, its part of sports.
agreed
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Daniel,
I understand how you feel, because I also inquired about Beltran, but I don't think Corey did anything wrong. To make a real life analogy, the Padres GM Jed Hoyer made what I thought was a horrible deal with his former team, the Red Sox, for Adrian Gonzalez. Hoyer liked Anthony Rizzo and Casey Kelly more than some other people did, so he made the deal even though critics said he should have held out for MLB guys like Ellsbury and Bard. Corey has a man-crush on Goldschmidt, and that is his prerogative.
Roy
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Daniel,
I understand how you feel, because I also inquired about Beltran, but I don't think Corey did anything wrong. To make a real life analogy, the Padres GM Jed Hoyer made what I thought was a horrible deal with his former team, the Red Sox, for Adrian Gonzalez. Hoyer liked Anthony Rizzo and Casey Kelly a lot more than a lot of other people did, so he made the deal even though some people said he should have held out for MLB guys like Ellsbury and Bard. Corey has a man-crush on Goldschmidt, and that is his prerogative.
Roy
:iatp:
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You think so? John Lackey....im losing nothing.....Vernon Wells ok so he might score 2000 points....maybe, is that worth 17m. Beltran and Blake hmmm... they will be hurt in no time. I do not feel that I am over paying for him. Perez, is a good spec and I believe in Jokisch.
I appreciate your concern about my skills at evaluating trades and players. I am very comfortable with the deal I made.
Thank You Roy, i agree with what you said. And like I stated earlier, there are a lot of people that either I didnt get back to, or did not counter. Maybe this is lesson to be learned, dont undercut on an opening bid, if there is potential interest from multiple teams.
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Hoyer doesn't look so dumb with how Rizzo is lighting it up this year.
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Well then, what's the point of implementing a policy if one can choose not to follow it whenever one wishes to do so? Everyone is defending Corey for not answering to all those inquiries he had. If everyone is in agreement then why was the trade policy ever drafted? Everyone should then be free to not answer to any offers. Quite frankly it pisses me off that I didn't even receive an answer to any of the messages I sent and that all the players I inquired about were traded away without any given consideration to what other teams were offering. Even by receiving a simple no I could have sent a different offer that might have been more appealing. And I am speaking for everyone whose offers were not replied to. But what really pisses me off is the fact that no one cares the league's policy has not been properly followed. I'm not buying the argument that the trade had to be done in a hurry either. Maybe the Yankees are in a hurry, but certainly not the Mets - especially with more than 16 teams interested in their players.
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Hoyer doesn't look so dumb with how Rizzo is lighting it up this year.
speaking of rizzo im a buyer of him lol
guys stop debtating every man has the right to run his team the way he wants maybe he is a better or worse negotiator or scout then u but u wont know for a few years
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The policy was created as a means for spotting our inactivity and doing something about it. Its motivation isn't to force every GM to answer every PM. I cannot even answer every PM or trade inquiry sent my way.
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A good idea would be to change the language in the policy to make it subjective to GM activity. I can understand both sides on this.
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Definitely should be worded differently then. And I would also like to propose a rule to not allow a GM to make trades with his previous team for a reasonable period of time after taking over with his new team. At least one or two months.
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Definitely should be worded differently then. And I would also like to propose a rule to not allow a GM to make trades with his previous team for a reasonable period of time after taking over with his new team. At least one or two months.
That is a reasonable rule for 30 days, but there is a loop hole of a player being traded to another team. I am fine with such a loop hole because the previous GM must make an effort to a veteran GM for such player(s).
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I think an owner should do what he wants with his team. Thats the reason why we have a trade council. If you don't get the guys you want you can always negotiate with the other owner. Just my two cents. :bacon:
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I think an owner should do what he wants with his team. Thats the reason why we have a trade council. If you don't get the guys you want you can always negotiate with the other owner. Just my two cents. :bacon:
i agree. If the trade is fair there is no reason he shouldnt be allowed to trade for them.
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Quite frankly it pisses me off that I didn't even receive an answer to any of the messages I sent and that all the players I inquired about were traded away without any given consideration to what other teams were offering. Even by receiving a simple no I could have sent a different offer that might have been more appealing.
I can understand why this is frustrating and agree in general that as a courtesy he could have responded, and if it were my team I would have tried to listen to all potential buyers. However, the counter argument is that if your offer was better and/or the best offer made, you probably would have heard back... sometimes if you really want a player you need to come out strong, and I think similar situations probably occur often in sports.
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I can understand why this is frustrating and agree in general that as a courtesy he could have responded, and if it were my team I would have tried to listen to all potential buyers. However, the counter argument is that if your offer was better and/or the best offer made, you probably would have heard back...
:iatp: very well said Ben. I have apologized many times, so far, and the teams that sent interesting competitive offers did hear back.
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I think an owner should do what he wants with his team. Thats the reason why we have a trade council. If you don't get the guys you want you can always negotiate with the other owner. Just my two cents. :bacon:
I agree with Papps, why create new rules, this is why we have a trade council.
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Sure Ben that could be the case, but I sent at least three messages: One inquiring, one making a direct offer and one asking him to make a counterproposal if my offer had not been good enough and considering the circumstances under which the GM switch happened it could also have been that he just didn't want to trade with me because he doesn't want the rival of his old team to compete... or it could even be that he had agreed to make the trade before making the team switch. I'm not saying it is so (and I don't think it is so), but it could be and the fact that that possibility exists alone leads to the proposed rule of not allowing a GM that switches teams to trade with his previous team for at least a month. I agree with Colby that there is a loophole, but that since it requires a third person it is at least a complication that helps to safeguard the league.
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Its way simpler than anything you stated Daniel. You dont have any specs that interest me. Your team doesnt have a farm. You have no player that is better than Goldschmidt or Perez.
And you wouldnt have taken Wells or Lackey. If your offer was so good, why dont you send the yanks an offer for Beltran Wells and Lackey. If its so dang awesome, Im sure he will accept it! Ill look for it in the transactions board any minute now because we know ltd is on and ready to deal.
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Its way simpler than anything you stated Daniel. You dont have any specs that interest me. Your team doesnt have a farm. You have no player that is better than Goldschmidt or Perez
easy to say gold schmidt is going to be a bad man
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Sure Ben that could be the case, but I sent at least three messages: One inquiring, one making a direct offer and one asking him to make a counterproposal if my offer had not been good enough and considering the circumstances under which the GM switch happened it could also have been that he just didn't want to trade with me because he doesn't want the rival of his old team to compete... or it could even be that he had agreed to make the trade before making the team switch. I'm not saying it is so (and I don't think it is so), but it could be and the fact that that possibility exists alone leads to the proposed rule of not allowing a GM that switches teams to trade with his previous team for at least a month. I agree with Colby that there is a loophole, but that since it requires a third person it is at least a complication that helps to safeguard the league.
I agree with you, and I say this having made what I thought was a decent offer for Beltran and not hearing back myself. I just wanted to point out that I know if I had offered Hosmer and Braun, I would have definitely heard... just playing devil's advocate.
I also agree with the idea that trades between an owner and his previous team should be discouraged for a short period of time (perhaps a month is enough?) and the TC should keep this in mind when reviewing such trades, but I don't think we should have an explicit rule.
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I guess there should be a rule or it should be allowed. Discouraging someone from trading for their players works just as much as discouraging managers from bombing teams in basic dynasty leagues to get a better draft position the following year.
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I guess there should be a rule or it should be allowed. Discouraging someone from trading for their players works just as much as discouraging managers from bombing teams in basic dynasty leagues to get a better draft position the following year.
I agree that discouraging is not good enough. The notion that the TC committee could enforce it without it being written as a rule is interesting, but it would be simpler if the rule actually exists, that way there is no need to discuss the topic again if a similar situation ever arises.
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I can sympathize with both Daniel's and Corey's point of view.