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ProFSL Front Office => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB DYNASTY GM HOME => Franchise GM: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: Paul S. on April 12, 2011, 08:32:46 AM
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Cardinals trade:
CI Inge, Brandon, $3m (2013)
RP Cordero, Francisco, $0.5m (2011)
Angels trade:
SP Lowe, Derek, $4.5m (2012)
OF McDonald, Darnell, $0.5m (P-n/a)
We trade a starting CI, a closer, and take on $1.5m in salary in order to improve the starting pitching. Angels to confirm. Thanks and good luck with your rebuilding job Dave!
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I don't think this trade should be approved. Closers don't have nearly the value in this league that they do in real life due to our unique scoring system for pitchers. Also, Inge and Cordero are both well over 30. I don't see how picking up two aging vets will help a rebuilding team.
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There is no way this should be approved. Closers are worthless in this league and Inge is as old as balls. How does picking up 2 35 year old guys help a rebudling team anyway. I will be curious how the TC rules after all that chatter about protecting the lesser teams in the league, especially new owners who obviously some see as nothing more than fish food in this league.
It's actually a 33 year old and a 35 year old for a 37 year old with a $4.5m salary through 2012.
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There is no way this should be approved. Closers are worthless in this league and Inge is as old as balls. How does picking up 2 35 year old guys help a rebudling team anyway. I will be curious how the TC rules after all that chatter about protecting the lesser teams in the league, especially new owners who obviously some see as nothing more than fish food in this league.
I accept this trade.
Closers are not worthless in this league if they were then why have them.Hey,how about any of you trade me two good playing prospects for Lowe i didn't think so.I have had only 4 owners come forward to try and help me field a team out of this god awful mess.Nobody in this league would trade me a couple of young players for Derek Lowe.So not needing pitching i traded for a decent corner infielder who i can use and is playing and a closer who is the closer for Cincy.Since no one is offering me trades what can i do.Just leave the team sit and not be active at all.I traded an agiing player for an aging player and Darnell McDonald for a good RP.Since you all say that Pitching is not relevant in this league WHAT AM I TO DO.Do i trade all my players that score points in fantasy for young guys who may or may not ever get into a starting lineup with the big boys or try and get someone who plays regularly that i need to fill my roster with.WERE IS ALL THE HELP HERE FROM ALL YOU OWNERS WHO ARE HOARDING ALL THE PLAYERS YOU DON'T EVEN USE,there is nothing on the waiver wire to pick up.My thanks goes out to the 4 owners(you know who you are)for giving me a chance to even consider a trade,By the way i am not a 13 year old kid i am a 56 year old man who happens to enjoy watching an older player achieve greatness.I took on this team to see what i could do with it because i love to play.
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The following comparison of the 2010 scoring between the greatest relief pitcher of all time and a relative unknown will illustrate my point better than any long-winded response about the scoring system for relief pitchers:
Mariano Rivera 584 points
Burke Badenhop 594 points
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By the way, Derek Lowe was the 34th ranked SP in 2009 and 2010. That would translate into $9.5m per year under our contract system. He is currently the 8th best SP in 2011.
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The following comparison of the 2010 scoring between the greatest relief pitcher of all time and a relative unknown will illustrate my point better than any long-winded response about the scoring system for relief pitchers:
Mariano Rivera 584 points
Burke Badenhop 594 points
OK but you still have to use them in this league and if you look at my team anyone can see i still need to address all aspects of this team i inherited.
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By the way, Derek Lowe was the 34th ranked SP in 2009 and 2010. That would translate into $9.5m per year under our contract system. He is currently the 8th best SP in 2011.
I know that he is,
In order for me to make this team better i need other owners to trade with me which is not happening.
You have anyone to trade?
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Why are you in such a hurry?
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I will approve this trade. It seems to me that Dave is aware of all of the variables here and has decided this trade is good for his team. Lowe is older and not consistent throughout an entire year. He also has tons of pitching.
The RP arguement, no matter what they score a GM must gets points from those spots in their lineups.
I also find it comical that Roy has pushed so hard for filling a roster and Dave made a move to help do so and there is objection.
GM's need to begin to respect the opinions of other GM's. He may have a different opinion what is best and is welcome to it.
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Why are you in such a hurry?
Who said anything about being in a hurry.
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While I dont think this is that bad of a deal, I found your reasoning of "no one has offered me anything better" comical. It's been less than a week since you took over, the pennant chase has not even started, the trading deadling is months away and you have 0 leverage right now.
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Howe/Roy,
Where do we post to tell you what we think you should do with your team's?
Dave has been selected with confidence by the league, please show him some respect.
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Howe/Roy,
Where do we post to tell you what we think you should do with your team's?
Dave has been selected with confidence by the league, please show him some respect.
Amen Rob
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I am not telling Dave what to do with his team. In both of his trades, I have had no issue with letting them go through, I just want to give him my perspective so he has more information available to him. More information can't hurt right?
You are more than welcome to offer opinions on any of my deals.
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I am not telling Dave what to do with his team. In both of his trades, I have had no issue with letting them go through, I just want to give him my perspective so he has more information available to him. More information can't hurt right?
You are more than welcome to offer opinions on any of my deals.
But you don't know his perspective and his plan. Why offer yours, if you don't know his?
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My tone might be a bit too strong for which I do apologize, but what's wrong with offering my perspective on trades? Do I know his plan? No. Has he offered reasons for both his deals? Yes. Can I derive what he is trying to do? Yes. Can he use more advice and insight (whether he acts on them or not)? I think so.
In fact, I encourage you to comment on my deals. You bring some unique perspectives and it can only help in my decision making process.
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Here is his plan and it looks like he's adhering to it. Look at point #2 in the first paragraph: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=19468.0
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Why are you in such a hurry?
Howe,
"Why are you in such a hurry?"
My problem is that your perspective, can easily be taken as, "Wait until the COL/LAA trade could go through, once I get this 60 days issue fixed or the 60 days is up". It was fine when he hurried to the table to give you Lowe. You probably did not intend that, but it could easily be taken that way.
I have no problem with offering perspective and everyone discussing deals. I have often posted that I think the entire league should vote on each trade. My problem with opinions and perspective is that it is often offered with intention or bias.
I believe that each GM should be respected and I did not see that in the posts.
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Howe,
"Why are you in such a hurry?"
My problem is that your perspective, can easily be taken as, "Wait until the COL/LAA trade could go through, once I get this 60 days issue fixed or the 60 days is up". It was fine when he hurried to the table to give you Lowe. You probably did not intend that, but it could easily be taken that way.
I have no problem with offering perspective and everyone discussing deals. I have often posted that I think the entire league should vote on each trade. My problem with opinions and perspective is that it is often offered with intention or bias.
I believe that each GM should be respected and I did not see that in the posts.
This isn't about bias at all. Again, I had no problem with the trade in itself. Dave mentioned that no one offered him anything better, and hence he accepted deal. Is it wrong to ask why he is in such a hurry? I am not advicing him to not do this trade and wait 60 days. Had Dave disclose the same reasoning for my deal, I'd have no problem vetoing that deal.
It's the same with your deal. I offered my thoughts on the players. Do you think I want Taylor/Martinez?
Again, I apologize if my tone was over the top. It was not meant as disprect, I just want to understand Dave's thought process and help out a new owner.
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This isn't about bias at all. Again, I had no problem with the trade in itself. Dave mentioned that no one offered him anything better, and hence he accepted deal. Is it wrong to ask why he is in such a hurry? I am not advicing him to not do this trade and wait 60 days. Had Dave disclose the same reasoning for my deal, I'd have no problem vetoing that deal.
It's the same with your deal. I offered my thoughts on the players. Do you think I want Taylor/Martinez?
Again, I apologize if my tone was over the top. It was not meant as disprect, I just want to understand Dave's thought process and help out a new owner.
I can respect that. All comments on trades are helpful, they just must be done in a respectful way.
I don't think you want those guys, the comments were made so everyone takes a step back and thinks about what they say and how they say it. Treating GM's with the tone that was being done will only increase turnover. You have to give a guy a chance.
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I don't see a problem with the trade. Inge and Cordero will score points for vacant slots on the Angels. Lowe is solid, but it wasn't too long ago he was dropped for nothing. I approve of this deal.
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:iatp: I have had both Lowe and Cordero and know the values of them with age involved is hard to get value this deal I see to be fair for both sides
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Dave as you can see we are very passionate about this league and want to make sure you understand the rules. It appears that you do see the lower value of all relievers, so it is safe to say that a team like yours that is heavy on pitching can do this deal.
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Dave as you can see we are very passionate about this league and want to make sure you understand the rules. It appears that you do see the lower value of all relievers, so it is safe to say that a team like yours that is heavy on pitching can do this deal.
:iatp:
and i approve this deal