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Title: giants/twins trade
Post by: 28 on November 10, 2010, 10:45:53 PM
Giants trade:
P Cahill, Trevor, $0.5m (P-2012)
SP Wainwright, Adam, $4m (2011)
 
Twins trade:
SP Cain, Matt, $2.5m (2011)
CI Sandoval, Pablo, $0.5m (P-2012)

i get wainwright back who i traded for cain and a 1st rounder and get a good young pitcher in return for sandoval who didnt do that good last year
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: Flash on November 11, 2010, 02:14:51 AM
Giants trade:
P Cahill, Trevor, $0.5m (P-2012)
SP Wainwright, Adam, $4m (2011)
 
Twins trade:
SP Cain, Matt, $2.5m (2011)
CI Sandoval, Pablo, $0.5m (P-2012)

i get wainwright back who i traded for cain and a 1st rounder and get a good young pitcher in return for sandoval who didnt do that good last year

The Giants welcome back two of their own.  Matt Cain is certainly a capable SP and I'm hopeful Panda will follow Bochy's instruction to watch his weight and return to his former Panda self.  I give up a young arm, but I get a position player in return.
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: MillerTime on November 11, 2010, 07:48:29 AM
Approved
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: Daniel on November 11, 2010, 10:00:20 AM
I'm not sure about this deal... I won't vote until I hear from others in the league. Cain and Wainwright are virtually the same and Cain actually has better contract. Cahill for Sandoval I don't know. Sandoval has way much more upside than Cahill and he probably was just suffering from 2nd year suckiness which is a disease all geovany soto owners suffered in his 2nd season. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm usually against blocking trades, so I'll wait and see what others think first.
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: Mr.TradeKing on November 11, 2010, 10:25:56 AM
I'm not sure about this deal... I won't vote until I hear from others in the league. Cain and Wainwright are virtually the same and Cain actually has better contract. Cahill for Sandoval I don't know. Sandoval has way much more upside than Cahill and he probably was just suffering from 2nd year suckiness which is a disease all geovany soto owners suffered in his 2nd season. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm usually against blocking trades, so I'll wait and see what others think first.
Daniel, I held my vote also. I do agree with what you said, but I'm unsure if the gap is large enough to warrant a veto.

~MTK
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: nerwffej on November 11, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
 :iatp:
I am in agreement Cain and wainwright pretty equal and u am a Pablo fan but his weight has to worry still and his lack of care to fix it talk he might not even start next year and Cahill had solid year one can't think he can even improve more I think Pablo and Cahill close enough to warrant good trade
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: 28 on November 11, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
last year points
Sandoval, Pablo 1675.2   
Cain, Matt 1672
Cahill, Trevor 1473 
Wainwright, Adam 2375
wainwright and cain arent really eaqual wainwright has 703 more points
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: Colby on November 11, 2010, 12:44:18 PM
Just my $0.02 but I would take Wainwright over Cain any day.
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: 28 on November 11, 2010, 12:45:33 PM
thank you i am not the only one i guess
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: MillerTime on November 11, 2010, 12:50:13 PM
Just my $0.02 but I would take Wainwright over Cain any day.

I agree.  Especially in this scoring system. 
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: bravesfan4 on November 11, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
I am not a tc member, but just my two seconds. Wainwright is better than Cain. However, Sandoval for Cahill a wash at best. Cahill  is good yes, but you cant forget that Pablo was a pretty big spec. Yes he had an awful year. If I had to pick a side I would say I like the Twins side better, however looking at the Giants team, they need all the offense they can get. Plus although Wainwright is better, Cain is no slouch. He still gets back a good young pitcher and adds a potential pretty good bat. Just 2 years ago Pablo put in over 3700 and averaged 25 points a game. He has shown he can play, I think this is a very good trade. Most gm's in this league value hitters more than pitchers.....so even more sense to me that this is a good trade.
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: joeshmoe on November 11, 2010, 04:27:53 PM
I am not a tc member, but just my two seconds. Wainwright is better than Cain. However, Sandoval for Cahill a wash at best. Cahill  is good yes, but you cant forget that Pablo was a pretty big spec. Yes he had an awful year. If I had to pick a side I would say I like the Twins side better, however looking at the Giants team, they need all the offense they can get. Plus although Wainwright is better, Cain is no slouch. He still gets back a good young pitcher and adds a potential pretty good bat. Just 2 years ago Pablo put in over 3700 and averaged 25 points a game. He has shown he can play, I think this is a very good trade. Most gm's in this league value hitters more than pitchers.....so even more sense to me that this is a good trade.

 :iatp: And I approve the trade.  It's a fine deal, two pitchers for a pitcher and a Hitter.  I have argued about pitcher value again and again because we know that Bats run the league.  Therefore, I think that alone accounts for the miscalculation of value.  Further, the judgment of player value is not the purpose of this committee.  We're designed to veto fishy trades that seem to be cheating.  Sandoval was untouchable in any league I played in before this season.  That's a risk a GM takes on talent, not my job to judge. 
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: lp815 on November 11, 2010, 04:30:30 PM
Well said, Chris.
Title: Re: giants/twins trade
Post by: Dan Wood on November 11, 2010, 08:16:02 PM
This is a fine trade  :iatp: