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Miami, Pittsburg, St. Louis, Oakland & Philadelphia.
Miami trades
Shin-Soo Choo (sign and trade 3yrs $16.4M) $16.4M 2014, $16.4M 2015, $16.4M 2016
Brian Boguesevic arb 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
Jason Kipnis 3rd yr 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016, arb 2017
Carlos Santana arb 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
Matt Dominguez 2nd yr 2014, 3rd yr 2015, arb 2016, arb 2017, arb 2018
Daniel Muno
Marcell Ozuna
Cory Spangenberg
Josh Parr
Zeke Devoss
Jamal Austin
Max Stassi
Christian Yelich
All 2013 international signing $
2013 1st rd pick
2013 2nd rd #24 (Cardinals)
2013 4th rd #22 & #24-via (Cardinals)
2013 5th round #24 (Cardinals)
2014 picks 2nd & 3rd rd picks
St. Louis Trades
Lance Berkman 6.59M 2014
Matt Holliday $17M 2014, $17M 2015, $17M 2016
Victor Martinez $12m 2014
Tom Wilhelmsen $5M 2014, $5M 2015, $5M 2016, $5M 2017
Preston Tucker
Trevor Gretzky
Brody Colvin
Alex Castellanos
Kevin Frandsen
Josh Beckett $15.75M 2014
Brandon McCarthy $8M 2014, $8M 2015, $8M 2016, $8M 2017
Jeremy Affedlt $2.9M 2014, $2.9M 2015, $2.9M 2016
Maikel Cleto
Matt Capp $3M 2014
2013 1st rd pick
2013 4th rd pick #30 via Oakland
2014 5th rd pick
$37M cash 2013
All International signing $
Oakland trades
Daniel Nava $3.3M 2014, $3.3M 2015, $3.3M 2016, $3.3M 2017
Donnie Veal
Blake Hassebrock
Roman Quinn
Jed Bradley
Vicmal De La Cruz
Darin Mastroianni arb 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
Dustin Ackley arb 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
J.P. Arencibia arb 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
J.A. Happ arb 2014
All international signing $
2013 1st rd, 3rd rd #24 (Cardinals),& 5th rd picks
2014 2nd & 3rd rd picks
Pittsburg trades
Andrew McCutchen $4.708M 2013, arb 2014
Neil Walker $3.3M 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
Pedro Alverez $700k 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
John Buck (sign and trade $6.42 @ 2yrs) $6.42M 2014, $6.42M 2015
2013 2nd round pick (acquired by Pirates from Royals 28th overall)
2013 3rd round pick (from Pirates 3rd overall)
$500k international money
cash $16M
Philadelphia trades
Erik Kratz 2nd yr 2014, 3rd yr 2015, arb 2016, arb 2017, arb 2018
Brandon Moss arb 2014, arb 2015, arb 2016
2013 1st & 3rd rd picks
This is how is pans out
Pittsburg receives
Christian Yelich
2013 - Miami, STL, Philly #1's
2013 - 2nd rd STL via Miami
2013 - 3rd rd STL via Oakland & Philly 3rd rd
2013 - 5th rd STL via Miami, A's 5th
2014 - Marlins, A's 2nd, Marlins, A's 3rd, Cardinals 5th
2013 - International signing money STL, Miami, & Oakland
Oakland receives
Shin-Soo Choo
Brian Boguesevic
Josh Beckett
Brandon McCarthy
Jeremy Affedlt
Maikel Cleto
Matt Capp
Max Stassi
John Buck
cash $18M
St. Louis receives
Jason Kipnis
Carlos Santana
Matt Dominguez
Daniel Muno
Marcell Ozuna
Cory Spangenberg
Josh Parr
Zeke Devoss
Jamal Austin
Darin Mastroianni
Dustin Ackley
J.P. Arencibia
J.A. Happ
Andrew McCutchen
Brandon Moss
Miami receives
Neil Walker
Pedro Alverez
Daniel Nava
Donnie Veal
Blake Hassebrock
Roman Quinn
Jed Bradley
Vicmal De La Cruz
Matt Holliday
Victor Martinez
Tom Wilhelmsen
Trevor Gretzky
Brody Colvin
Alex Castellanos
Kevin Frandsen
Erik Kratz
Cash $35M 2013
Philadephia recieves
Preston Tucker
Lance Berkman
2013 1st round pick (from Oakland 30th overall)
2013 2nd round pick (acquired by Pirates from Royals 28th overall)
2013 3rd round pick (from Pirates 3rd overall)
2013 4th rd Marlins #22 & 24-via STL, & 4th rd STL-via Oakland
$500k international money from Pirates
All players are sent through Pittsburg first to make the cash work. i.e. Holliday goes to Pittsburg then shipped to Miami...so on and so forth. St. Louis is sending out over $70M in salary so they can send the cash to Pittsburg along with the player to help pay. Pittsburg would then be able to cover some more of the contract. That is how they can trade $16M.
Wow that has been alot of work..I think I have everyone included and going to the correct team.
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As the first person to post the trade...wow what can I say-first 5 team trade, I have been apart of 2 three team trades in this league.
St. Louis give us alot but get alot back in return.
Lost alot of power #'s and money but get back some depth and quality.
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Oakland makes this trade to add to their pitching staff. With Houston coming to the division, I wanted to make some moves to keep ahead of the game. I believe I have accomplished that and very excited to have Choo added to the club and to get Stassi back from a previous trade
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I was one series win away from the WS this past year. With Houston moving to the AL and bolstering my lineup, I believe the Marlins will be in the WS next year.
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Retracting veto, have to post something in place.
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I traded down in the first round to pick up an extra pick and move up in the 3rd. Sold high on 30 yr old Brandon Moss to pick up more draft picks. Picked up Lance Berkman to offer salary relief and pick up a poor man's Allan Craig in Preston Tucker. This will go a long way in restocking a poor farm system with the addition of Tucker and 4 picks
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Are you kidding me. If you include choo in this as part of the veto, I do not have enough $ to sign him and make other upgrades to the team. He would be a FA, so I am not losing anything there.
With this trade I am able to make some upgrades and still have some $ in reserve.
Holliday, V-mart, wilhelmsen(who I think will be fine), walker, alverez, katz-as a backup this is a 2 catcher league, nava, and then some prospects that I like.
Yes, I am giving up alot, but I got alot back and feel this will put me over the top.
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My ends look correct.
Very happy to make this trade. McCutchen is a special player and it's difficult to lose him but you need more than one great player to win in a league like this with the depth. Christian Yelich is an excellent prospect and proved it having a great rookie year so I'm excited to have him. The ability to acquire this many draft picks spread over two seasons will give me a huge infusion of talent to build on for the future. Moving up in the 1st round with the Phillies helps me get a player there that wouldn't be available if I'd stayed at 30 and having so many additional draft picks allowed me to trade some to move up. Getting all the international money is golden. It should put me at more than twice the amount of international money as the next closest team so I'll be able to get someone if I really want them.
Thanks to the Cardinals for getting it all together. We negotiated this probably for a week or so on my end and it's nice to see it all come together so well.
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Wow. How do you arrange all that... But check out what Miami is giving and getting, not fair at all to them, even with $35M. I'm going to veto, sorry folks, I'm sure it was a ton of work to put together.
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I don't see it, please explain how that is unfair
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I may be the only girl in the league but I do know baseball.
Maybe Boston knows that they will never be able to compete with Miami in AFB :P
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Nicole your not usually one for trash talk.
Yahoolander, how about setting up the first series next year between Boston and Miami.... :rofl:
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I may be the only girl in the league but I do know baseball.
Maybe Boston knows that they will never be able to compete with Miami in AFB :P
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I thought it was weird that he singled you out, maybe that's why. Nicole don't know beisbol, veto veto! haha
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No! I didn't mean it that way! I just thought that with what MIA is giving up they should get more than Kratz, Holliday, Walker, and Alvarez as major assets... Unless one of the specs is a top prospect I'm not aware of. But how long have y'all been putting this together?
But if you want to play week 1, Miami, bring it on!
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Red Sox approve trade
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Actually, never mind, I'll retract my veto because of Choo's extension. Kind of glad I'm not the commish for trades like these.
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and Martinez+Wilhelmson, forgot them.
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She received $35 million too. That's pretty gigantic.
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True dat. I just thought Choo, Kipnis, Santana, Yelich, Stassi, a 1st, 2nd, 4th+5th rounder were too much for Holliday, Martinez, Wilhelmson, Alvarez, and Walker+$35MM but when you take out Choo, really the centerpiece that they give, it balances out. Everyone else's give-get's seem fair.
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I did not say I want to play week 1 but if that is how it turns out..fine with me. Like some of the college teams say...We will play anyone, anywhere.
Larry, Cliff(snbts) and I have been working out the deal since I lost to Houston in the NL championship series. So I think it was that monday after that we started talking. Cliff has been doing most of the leg work and recently added Pittsburg last week and Philly today. Pittsburg and Philly had a deal which we added to ours but also included some of our deal, so it was no small task and had alot of thought put into it.
Anyway, next year from this trade, I will have at least 6 players putting up points for me instead of 3.
Neil Walker
Pedro Alverez
Daniel Nava
Matt Holliday
Victor Martinez
Tom Wilhelmsen
Kevin Frandsen???
Erik Kratz???
Donnie Veal???
Compared to
Jason Kipnis
Carlos Santana
Matt Dominguez
Brian Boguesevic???
Marcell Ozuna???
With the depth of the league, the team that puts up the most points wins. If I have more players putting up numbers, I win. Did I give up some high prospects, yes. Did I get some back with potential I like, yes. Do I want to wait around 3-5yrs for them to get here and compete, no. You want to develop your system, that's fine with me. My system is loaded and I want to win now and plan to continue to do so. The marlins have made the playoffs two out of two years in AFB. Next year, I dont see that changing.
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This trade just doesn't make any sense for the Miami Marlins franchise, I mean everybody knows that Loria would never allow his team to try to get better and win every year...
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This is why this is a fantasy league. No real owner would do what Loria does.
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Really? How am I supposed to make sense of that? My head hurts just trying to figure it out.
Processing this will take 3 months.
FYI - there is no 2013 cash as 2013 is over
What does it mean that all cash goes through Pittsburgh? Only cash in the value of the players traded can be made. I don't have time to figure all that out. I can't even get GMs to understand how to extend someone properly.
Wow so who is new commish? I might quit honestly. I am not saying the deal isn't great. But I don't understand it.
Each team needs to break down there part of the trade including cash and players. A team can't trade $35m if they aren't trading at least $35m in salary and I don't have time to figure it out. Contracts aren't even laid out in the deal? Please post contracts.
If you want it to pass I need help. I am not figuring it out. You sell it to me and I will process. But until it's clear I can't do it. It's only fair that the contracts and cash moving is layed out in a clear manor.
Plus I need a assurance of cap hits so no one is over.
Great deal but needs to be clearer.
Thanks
Lando
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I totally spaced putting the contracts in to show how the deal works. I will fix it. Totally my fault. I will try to have it posted tomorrow. By the way the cash is for next year 2014 not 2013.
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The contracts are updated.
It says the players go through Pittsburg but the cash would need to go through them as well.
As far as cap goes, Oakland and Miami should have at least $6M in cap space even with adding in arbitration. St. Louis, Philadelphia and Pittsburg have plenty to spare.
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Totally retarded.
Processing this will take until 2014 for sure.
Who wants to be commish? I might have to seriously give it up.
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I'll make my vote once I find a few hours in my day to sit down and analyze the deal. :rofl:
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That's definitely the most detailed "trade" I've ever seen. I guess if you all think it's fair with all of that which is going on there, not sure I can veto anything.
The only one it's not fair too for sure is the Commish. Seems like every other transaction might have to be put on hold just to process this one.
This trade needs it's OWN spreadsheet. LOL1
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:iatp:
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:PIT: gives:
Andrew McCutchen (1 year remaining)
Neil Walker (3 years remaining)
Pedro Alverez (3 years remaining)
John Buck (2 years remaining at $6M/year
cash $16M
:PIT: gets:
Christian Yelich
1st rounder (3)
2nd rounder (2)
3rd rounder (3)
5th rounder (3)
A bunch of international cash
Hidden in the complexity of this deal, it appears as though :PIT: is in a hardcore rebuilding mode.
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:PIT: gives:
Andrew McCutchen (1 year remaining)
Neil Walker (3 years remaining)
Pedro Alverez (3 years remaining)
John Buck (2 years remaining at $6M/year
cash $16M
:PIT: gets:
Christian Yelich
1st rounder (3)
2nd rounder (2)
3rd rounder (3)
5th rounder (3)
A bunch of international cash
Hidden in the complexity of this deal, it appears as though :PIT: is in a hardcore rebuilding mode.
Didn't think it was hidden at all! Lol
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I am an outside, but this trade seems lopsided for some teams. Why in the world would you trade one of the best players in the league for some picks that will take years to develop?
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I am an outside, but this trade seems lopsided for some teams. Why in the world would you trade one of the best players in the league for some picks that will take years to develop?
Take a minute to study my roster and my record last season and the rules on international free agency and that should give you some pretty solid answers.
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:PIT: gives:
Andrew McCutchen (1 year remaining)
Neil Walker (3 years remaining)
Pedro Alverez (3 years remaining)
John Buck (2 years remaining at $6M/year
cash $16M
:PIT: gets:
Christian Yelich
1st rounder (3)
2nd rounder (2)
3rd rounder (3)
5th rounder (3)
A bunch of international cash
Hidden in the complexity of this deal, it appears as though :PIT: is in a hardcore rebuilding mode.
It's 3 second round picks, thank you very much. hahah Honestly, being approached with this deal made it an easy decision to just rebuild it all which was my preference. If I didn't get pretty great offers for McCutchen I was going to be stuck on a mediocrity treadmill until some of my prospects were ready.
Truth be told, I'm a big believer in Yelich. That guy is like a batting champion in the making. I'm very excited about getting him.
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Like I said I am an outsider, but just seems a bit crazy to trade most of your good players for a spec and a bunch of picks.
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Like I said I am an outsider, but just seems a bit crazy to trade most of your good players for a spec and a bunch of picks.
Rome wasn't built in a day, Teams aren't rebuilt in one season.
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I understand that, but just giving my opinion
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:iatp:
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All we are talking about is Pittsburgh. How do any of the other teams benefit from this trade? I have a simple deal getting vetoed but here we have this behemoth that everyone is just fine and tidy with?
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This is the 3rd trade that I have attempted in this league in less than a year that is getting shot down. I have only been able to execute one trade in this league and that was with the league manager.
Other than that, nothing. A simple little trade like this gets picked aprt to tthe point of exhaustion, but yet 5 teams each traded most of their rosters, all of their draft picks and cash on top of international money...and it just passes right through????
That's B.S..
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It's 3 second round picks, thank you very much. hahah
Hey, I only count a net gain of two second rounders, but whatever helps you sleep at night ;)
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This is the 3rd trade that I have attempted in this league in less than a year that is getting shot down. I have only been able to execute one trade in this league and that was with the league manager.
Other than that, nothing. A simple little trade like this gets picked aprt to tthe point of exhaustion, but yet 5 teams each traded most of their rosters, all of their draft picks and cash on top of international money...and it just passes right through????
That's B.S..
Your entire premise is whiny BS. You have no actual baseball related reason to reject the trade, a trade you already said you didn't understand. The simplicity or complexity of a trade isn't a just cause for a veto.
You're flat out vetoing a trade in revenge for your trade being vetoed for being judged lopsided despite the fact nobody involved in this trade vetoed your trade. That's just petty and childish.
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All we are talking about is Pittsburgh. How do any of the other teams benefit from this trade? I have a simple deal getting vetoed but here we have this behemoth that everyone is just fine and tidy with?
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This veto obviously doesn't count.
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Your entire premise is whiny BS. You have no actual baseball related reason to reject the trade, a trade you already said you didn't understand. The simplicity or complexity of a trade isn't a just cause for a veto.
You're flat out vetoing a trade in revenge for your trade being vetoed for being judged lopsided despite the fact nobody involved in this trade vetoed your trade. That's just petty and childish.
My "baseball related reason" is that this trade would never fly in MLB. The peple involved in this trade are the only oes vetoing my fdeal.
You have Pittsburgh trading his entire MLB roster for draft-picks and some cash. I'm sure that now when I take an even deeper look into it, I'll find plenty more wrong with this deal.
One group of people controlling the trades will ruin this league and is the major reason why so many people quit. This happened last season and here we go again. Some old $hit.
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My "baseball related reason" is that this trade would never fly in MLB. The peple involved in this trade are the only oes vetoing my fdeal.
You have Pittsburgh trading his entire MLB roster for draft-picks and some cash. I'm sure that now when I take an even deeper look into it, I'll find plenty more wrong with this deal.
One group of people controlling the trades will ruin this league and is the major reason why so many people quit. This happened last season and here we go again. Some old $hit.
Come on man chill out. I have already reached out to you privately, but you flaunting your feathers on the boards doesn't do anything but bad things for you and the league.
2 of the people in this trade have been here for about a month and are very active members with tons of baseball knowledge trying to turn around bad teams. Do I agree with it all? No.....but I can understand the reasoning. How are they controlling things? You liked it better with less active members? :o
Your trade like I said before is close but needs slight adjustment. Just suck it up and be a man about it. :KC: and :BOS: revamped one and it's done. No big deal. If anything it's a compliment to your managing that everyone thinks you got too much.
I can tell you that trades need to be metered and I don't veto much but when a team is trying to rebuild but trades two big pieces of that rebuild it is better to veto then end up with the mess we have now.
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I don't mind this trade. I think the only way we can get parity in this league after so many teams have been neglected and abandoned is to allow MORE trading.
My only issue is that if a trade "is close but needs slight adjustment", who are we to veto it? Managers are doing what they feel best for their team. And with so many teams that don't even show up for the draft, AFB is dangerously close to needing a reset; might as well allow people to trade to posture their teams how they want them postured.
</end libertarian rant>
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This trade will pass.
Give me some time to process it all.
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This trade has been fully processed!
Wow! I am retiring now.
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