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Title: Withdrawing bids
Post by: joeshmoe on June 27, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
wanted to point out Roy's being funny and trying to withdraw a bid on Willy Mo.  No way is this allowed right?

It made ltd go and start withdrawing all of his bids too...

Just cause it isn't in the Rules that you cannot do it doesn't mean you're right Roy...use common sense.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Corey on June 27, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
wanted to point out Roy's being funny and trying to withdraw a bid on Willy Mo.  No way is this allowed right?

It made ltd go and start withdrawing all of his bids too...

Just cause it isn't in the Rules that you cannot do it doesn't mean you're right Roy...use common sense.

There is no reason to be insulting here. Most people would assume that if something is not in the rules, then it would be allowed. I am not saying that I would be in favor of allowing people to retract bids, but at the same time, me being someone who is affected by the withdraw of John Lackey, I would be in favor of still having him at 12m.

Roy you bring up something that was not thought of when the rules were made or that was merely skipped over. Obviously my opinion does not matter as the league is completely ran by the 5 or 6 guys on the rules committee, and our opinion is irrelevant. Just putting in my opinion, which is pretty much the above post could have been said in a much nicer way. 
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: joeshmoe on June 27, 2011, 01:45:12 PM
I apologize if I came across insulting, didn't mean to.

Either way.  I think allowing this makes for a bad bad precedent. 
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: OUDAN on June 27, 2011, 01:54:54 PM
if it isnt allowed ill deal with it, if it is i would like to withdraw my offer. i think the only arguement is it isnt listed in the rules so cant hurt to try. expecially in the situation where corey would be fine with having lackey
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: joeshmoe on June 27, 2011, 02:17:03 PM
I just dont see how it can be legitimized.  If it were how long would the bid be re-opened for.  That could be bad for the person who was previously outbid; ie. they spend money other places or they may have to wait for a new 72 hour clock to start.  Or do they then auotmatically win the player because it may be 72 hours from their bid (excluding others from bidding).

There are way to many if's and buts for this to be a rule we accept.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: OUDAN on June 27, 2011, 02:26:15 PM
I just dont see how it can be legitimized.  If it were how long would the bid be re-opened for.  That could be bad for the person who was previously outbid; ie. they spend money other places or they may have to wait for a new 72 hour clock to start.  Or do they then auotmatically win the player because it may be 72 hours from their bid (excluding others from bidding).

There are way to many if's and buts for this to be a rule we accept.

im not arguing against you, although i dont feel it would be horrible to make the rule effective now and let the previous requests go through for the with drawl but as corey said this league is ran by the RC which i am not a part of so ill just wait for their decision
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: rcankosy on June 27, 2011, 03:19:55 PM
Bids have been retracted in the past.  It is not common, but it has happened in the past without warning or penalties.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: h4cheng on June 27, 2011, 03:36:24 PM
Bids have been retracted in the past.  It is not common, but it has happened in the past without warning or penalties.

I think in the past, the retracted bids were on prospects. I remember both Rob and I doing this. It was ok because there was no penalty in dropping th player, and hence a retracted bids = a dropped bid.

I agree with what the others have said in that it's probably fine for the Lackey bid, but it's something that should be patched up the rule book.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Dan Wood on June 27, 2011, 03:37:33 PM
see chris withrow...it is not allowed
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: rcankosy on June 27, 2011, 03:54:01 PM
see chris withrow...it is not allowed

I recall someone bidding on Willy Taveras whom they had previous cut and withdrawing the bid after it was pointed out that they would have to reinstate the previous salary if they re-signed him.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Dan Wood on June 27, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
And that was me. Due to the fact that I was unaware of that rule, since we were all new to the league at that point in time it was let to slide.

But I remember someone else bidding up Chris Withrow and being told that withdrawing bids was not allowed, then the Yanks GM came in and saved said persons ass.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Dan Wood on June 27, 2011, 04:08:31 PM
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=2275.20
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: KDoc09 on June 27, 2011, 04:26:12 PM
I think allowing the retraction of a bid sets a bad precedent. One, it takes away all the responsibility away from a GM during the bidding process. Why wouldn't you bid up a player if there is a mechanism in place that allows you to rescind the bid, there is no consequence to it. The auction process should be participated in in a responsible matter, if we allow people to bid all willy-nilly only to rescind their bid because they have a case of buyer's remorse, it will not only slow the process but it is unfair to the other GM's who might have interest and/or bids in on said player. Seems to me like the farther along we get in the life of the league, the more people are looking for ways to exploit the system for their own personal benefit. I think this goes against the spirit of competition and camaraderie that we have fostered here and creates a situation where petty bickering becomes the focus rather than having fun; which is really what this league is supposed to be about. I have found the league to be increasingly troublesome and stifling over the last few weeks and that type of environment will only serve to drive smart, capable and passionate GM's from the league. Yes, the purpose of the league is to win, but if the methods used to win wind up destroying the fabric of the league was it really worth the victory? This is all my opinion of course and not entirely related to this issue, however, I feel that I needed to say my peace because I enjoy this league and I wish to continue to take part in it.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: rcankosy on June 27, 2011, 04:27:25 PM
The Chris Withrow resolution was a decision at the time by Colby, not a formal ruling by the RC.  Colby also stated in postings on the site and private messages to me that I could extend prospects that were not signed to prospect deals.  However, that was later ruled to be illegal by the RC, because IT WAS NOT IN THE RULES.  You can't have it both ways.  The rules say nothing about bids being irrevocable. 
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Dan Wood on June 27, 2011, 04:34:28 PM
Roy, seriously give it a rest... Colby was the acting Commish at the time, and had to make a spot on decision. I took you side on the prospect thing when it was argued.

Try going to any auction and saying, whoops really didn't want that, you know what they would say to you? TS... JOeschmoe was right, use some common sense. As soon as it goes in the transaction board it is official. You've been here for two seasons now. If someone new was to do it OK, we would have to explain it to them. But really? If you really don't want someone, don't effing bid on them, and this goes for everyone.

And it was my original bid before you two started dog piling on it. So really shouldn't I be the one upset, or maybe the smart one for not bidding too much on a part time player?
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Dan Wood on June 27, 2011, 04:39:31 PM
I withdraw my bid on Kelly Shoppach... can someone kindly remove the money I owe him from my payroll? Thanks! Great! Wonderful! This is awesome, didn't know we could do this...

Anyone else want to shed some salary of their bad free agent signings?


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Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: rcankosy on June 27, 2011, 04:46:30 PM
The subject is dropped.  I will abide by my bid on Pena.

Roy
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: joeshmoe on June 27, 2011, 06:04:41 PM
I think allowing the retraction of a bid sets a bad precedent. One, it takes away all the responsibility away from a GM during the bidding process. Why wouldn't you bid up a player if there is a mechanism in place that allows you to rescind the bid, there is no consequence to it. The auction process should be participated in in a responsible matter, if we allow people to bid all willy-nilly only to rescind their bid because they have a case of buyer's remorse, it will not only slow the process but it is unfair to the other GM's who might have interest and/or bids in on said player. Seems to me like the farther along we get in the life of the league, the more people are looking for ways to exploit the system for their own personal benefit. I think this goes against the spirit of competition and camaraderie that we have fostered here and creates a situation where petty bickering becomes the focus rather than having fun; which is really what this league is supposed to be about. I have found the league to be increasingly troublesome and stifling over the last few weeks and that type of environment will only serve to drive smart, capable and passionate GM's from the league. Yes, the purpose of the league is to win, but if the methods used to win wind up destroying the fabric of the league was it really worth the victory? This is all my opinion of course and not entirely related to this issue, however, I feel that I needed to say my peace because I enjoy this league and I wish to continue to take part in it.

I agree with Kris here and he has said what I feel more tactfully. 

In all seriousness, it is simply a bad precedent, and the implications are too complicated to go over in one paragraph.  I really am apologetic for how I said it, could have been done better.  Sometimes humor isn't easily read in text.  I'm glad Roy is on board.
Title: Re: Withdrawing bids
Post by: Colby on June 28, 2011, 02:59:18 PM
Isn't it in the rules that bids cannot be withdrawn?