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Fantasy Leagues => NBA Leagues => Cross-Court Dynasty => Topic started by: Billy on September 06, 2020, 08:24:40 PM
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Post any questions/suggestions here
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Not all rules are set in stone so if you see a rule you would like put to a vote before we officially start league, please post here.
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Clarifications that I want to double-check I understand correctly:
Can any player on an expiring contract be given an extension (with RFAs being slightly different as described in the rules?
For FA signings and extensions, are the ranges the required number of years or the max? For example, could someone extend/sign a player for 1 year, 20 million (which would not make any sense for an FA signing but would for an extension)?
Are G-League players still on normal contracts that just don't count against the cap (I assume so based on the rules)? Also, does the free drop for G-league rule basically mean that anyone with less than 60 games experience can be dropped with no cap hit?
Suggestion/comment on FA bidding
Also, salaries being based on total amount seems like it encourages long (and likely bad) contracts for older players a ton. It seems to me like using salary per year might be better, possibly with discounts for multiyear contracts. For example, something like paying 100% of the bid per year for 1 year, 90% per year for 2 years, ... 50% or 60% of the bid per year for 5 years. This still gives an advantage to owners willing to make multiyear deals without practically forcing long contracts for older stars. But if the total amount seemed to work well before, it might be best to keep it. My suggestion would probably require a rule restricting extensions to multiyear contracts as well to prevent high one-year contracts followed by extensions to abuse the system.
I also thought a soft cap/hard cap (min contracts, rookie contracts, resigning allowed to go over soft cap) seemed like a good idea at first, but that might just make things more complicated without much benefit.
I don't see anything else with the rules right now. They seem pretty good to me.
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Clarifications that I want to double-check I understand correctly:
Can any player on an expiring contract be given an extension (with RFAs being slightly different as described in the rules?
For FA signings and extensions, are the ranges the required number of years or the max? For example, could someone extend/sign a player for 1 year, 20 million (which would not make any sense for an FA signing but would for an extension)?
Are G-League players still on normal contracts that just don't count against the cap (I assume so based on the rules)? Also, does the free drop for G-league rule basically mean that anyone with less than 60 games experience can be dropped with no cap hit?
Suggestion/comment on FA bidding
Also, salaries being based on total amount seems like it encourages long (and likely bad) contracts for older players a ton. It seems to me like using salary per year might be better, possibly with discounts for multiyear contracts. For example, something like paying 100% of the bid per year for 1 year, 90% per year for 2 years, ... 50% or 60% of the bid per year for 5 years. This still gives an advantage to owners willing to make multiyear deals without practically forcing long contracts for older stars. But if the total amount seemed to work well before, it might be best to keep it. My suggestion would probably require a rule restricting extensions to multiyear contracts as well to prevent high one-year contracts followed by extensions to abuse the system.
I also thought a soft cap/hard cap (min contracts, rookie contracts, resigning allowed to go over soft cap) seemed like a good idea at first, but that might just make things more complicated without much benefit.
I don't see anything else with the rules right now. They seem pretty good to me.
1. Yes any expiring contract player will be allowed to be given an extension (provided that you have the cap space)
2. Yes, right now there is no minimum years for a high contract so $20m for 1 year is an eligible contract. The contract table just shows the minimum salary needed to get that number of years so $1m and under can only do max of 2, $1.1m or higher is needed to do 3, $5.5m or higher is needed for 4, and a $10m or higher is needed for 5.
3. Yes g-league players will not count against cap. And yes if you drop a player while in g-league, it's a free drop regardless of the contract.
4. Most leagues I've been in, use the total contract value instead of the single salary style bidding. The original version of this league did use salary bidding instead of total contract. It works both ways but I prefer the total contract style. As for the old players, since we have no minimum # of years, you could place a $20m+ bid on that FA and if you have the cap space, put them on a 1 year deal for all that $20m. I do agree that we should probably have some kind of rule to prevent high one year deals to then extend to a cheaper long term deal in the next season (my thought is incorporating an extension rule where the player has to make at least 50% of what his previous yearly salary was so if you sign someone to a $20m 1 year deal, you wouldn't be able to then sign them to a $5.5m salary for 3 years).
5. Yes imo when you start to incorporate the hard/soft caps and stuff like that, it makes it far too complicated. For rookie contracts, I'm still trying to figure out how the rookie scale should work (for 2nd round picks, it'll be $0.5m salaries). Utilizing the real life scale probably works best.
If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to let me know.
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I had a lot of the same thoughts and questions so I am glad someone asked.
I honestly really like that this league doesn't get overly complicated with a lot of things. I think there are often extra complications that don't add a whole lot to the league.
I do really like bidding by total contact as it is a lot simpler in my opinion. I also like that it might tempt people to make bad long term contracts. I like rules that can allow people to make gambles to win the championship but have a chance at backfiring. In my experience rules like that create great league parity. If someone wants to win now it should hurt a little in the future or have the potential to hurt in the future. Just my experience.
Another question on bidding on a total contract. If I have a winning bid of $50m do I have to evenly dispense the contract into 5 years of $10m for example or can I go $5m this year, $10m in year 2 and 3, $15m in year 4, and $10m in year 5 or something like that? Can the winning bid be spread out unevenly over the years and is there a limit to the unevenness? 4 years at 2.5m, one year at $40m?
Thanks!
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I had a lot of the same thoughts and questions so I am glad someone asked.
I honestly really like that this league doesn't get overly complicated with a lot of things. I think there are often extra complications that don't add a whole lot to the league.
I do really like bidding by total contact as it is a lot simpler in my opinion. I also like that it might tempt people to make bad long term contracts. I like rules that can allow people to make gambles to win the championship but have a chance at backfiring. In my experience rules like that create great league parity. If someone wants to win now it should hurt a little in the future or have the potential to hurt in the future. Just my experience.
Another question on bidding on a total contract. If I have a winning bid of $50m do I have to evenly dispense the contract into 5 years of $10m for example or can I go $5m this year, $10m in year 2 and 3, $15m in year 4, and $10m in year 5 or something like that? Can the winning bid be spread out unevenly over the years and is there a limit to the unevenness? 4 years at 2.5m, one year at $40m?
Thanks!
Yeah I prefer to not make things too complicated. At the end of the day, a fantasy league should be designed to keep things fun while simulating that GM type of experience. But going too complicated just lessens the fun imo.
We can put that up to vote but right now, rules would be evenly distributed contracts so a $50m bid would need to be $10m each year. If it's a big deal to guys, we can vote to change it.
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I like that it is evenly distributed. It keeps someone from backloading a contract to get a lot of stars now, then probably ditching the league in a few years when they only have enough cap space for three players. It also keeps it simple and easy to understand. Thank you for the clarification.
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Thanks for the clarifications. Sorry, but I realized I have two more questions.
When releasing a player, do the cap hit amounts need to be in the form 75% first year, 50% second year, 25% third year if it is not all lumped in to the current year? For example, could it be paid 100% first year, 25% second year, 25% third year?
Is the extension ratings based on per-game or totals? Also, is it basketballmonster or somewhere else?
I am guessing the first option since it is simpler, but wanted to check (even though I don't plan on buying out any multiyear contracts right now). At the very guess I would assume that you can't put off paying the 75% and 50%.
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Thanks for the clarifications. Sorry, but I realized I have two more questions.
When releasing a player, do the cap hit amounts need to be in the form 75% first year, 50% second year, 25% third year if it is not all lumped in to the current year? For example, could it be paid 100% first year, 25% second year, 25% third year?
Is the extension ratings based on per-game or totals? Also, is it basketballmonster or somewhere else?
I am guessing the first option since it is simpler, but wanted to check (even though I don't plan on buying out any multiyear contracts right now). At the very guess I would assume that you can't put off paying the 75% and 50%.
Yes it is the first option. If buying out a player, you'd take all the penalty in one year. OTherwise, it's 75%, 50%, 25%.
Extensions are done thru fantrax rankings and are total rankings. So Harden would be #1 extension rank per the fantrax rankings for 2019-20.
However for this first year for extensions, we need to use a portion of the 2019-20 season since not all teams played in the bubble. For 2019-20 using extension ranks, we will use stats up to when the season stopped.
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I have some questions:
- what is the deadline for communicating free drops?
- when will the free agent market open? Just a quick clarification also on free agent bid procedure. Is it an auction with visible and increasable bids or is in the form of sealed bids? For example, if I want to make a $40mn bid for Ingram, should I post a visible offer on the dedicated section in the forum? If someone offers $50mn, can I increase my offer?
- what is the best way to propose a trade to another team? Private messages, chat, a dedicated section on the forum?
Thanks a lot in advance
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I have some questions:
- what is the deadline for communicating free drops?
- when will the free agent market open? Just a quick clarification also on free agent bid procedure. Is it an auction with visible and increasable bids or is in the form of sealed bids? For example, if I want to make a $40mn bid for Ingram, should I post a visible offer on the dedicated section in the forum? If someone offers $50mn, can I increase my offer?
- what is the best way to propose a trade to another team? Private messages, chat, a dedicated section on the forum?
Thanks a lot in advance
Free drops will lock when we start FA (there is currently no date to start FA as our off season schedule will depend on when the NBA plans on starting their season. The plan is for the rookie draft to take place before we start FA but that will depend on how soon the regular season starts after the real life draft
As for how FA works, all Free Agency goes on in transaction board here. When free agency opens, someone must start a post for that player and post a starting bid. If someone wants to up it; they have to reply to that post with the higher bid. This goes on until 48 hours have passed with no new bids. If someone ups your bid, you have to post another new bid to keep going for that player. For example if someone starts a post on Ingram at $40m, next reply needs to up that bid then keep going until no one ups it for 48 hours.
And for trades, private messaging is the best way to go. If you have specific players you are looking to move, you can post them in the trade discussion post to see if anyone will reach out about those players.
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Rookie Draft Player Pool Question
Is there a specific list of players that are available to be taken in the rookie draft?
1) Is it any player that has not played in the league yet and is not on a team? (IE: the 14 year old that lives down the block from me that people say is the next LBJ or Jordan, high school players expected to be drafted in 2021, 2022, 2023, etc plus all the 2020 guys).
2) Only the players actually drafted in the 2020 draft?
3) This is my assumption, but it's never good to assume. Any player that has declared for the 2020 NBA draft, so early entrants, plus college seniors?
Thanks and thanks for all of the other clarifications. Its been helpful.
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Rookie Draft Player Pool Question
Is there a specific list of players that are available to be taken in the rookie draft?
1) Is it any player that has not played in the league yet and is not on a team? (IE: the 14 year old that lives down the block from me that people say is the next LBJ or Jordan, high school players expected to be drafted in 2021, 2022, 2023, etc plus all the 2020 guys).
2) Only the players actually drafted in the 2020 draft?
3) This is my assumption, but it's never good to assume. Any player that has declared for the 2020 NBA draft, so early entrants, plus college seniors?
Thanks and thanks for all of the other clarifications. Its been helpful.
After the real life draft is completed, I will post the list of the 60 players drafted. Those guys comprise the eligible list plus any undrafted player who was eligible for the draft.
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In the rules on the forum it specifies 6 bench roster spots. In Fantrax it says I have 12 bench roster spots.
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In the rules on the forum it specifies 6 bench roster spots. In Fantrax it says I have 12 bench roster spots.
The way I list it in rules just makes it easier with it stating 6 starters, 6 bench slots. Fantrax it's still really a max of 6 bench slots when you have all 6 starter spots filled. The 12 is just in the rare instances that maybe you don't have all 6 starter spots filled and have more than 6 on bench. Regardless of what the bench states though, the max roster size is 12.
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Only question i have at the moment is where/when do we find out who has what pick for this inaugural year?
I've noticed Pistons have posted on the trade block that they're open to moving specifically pick 7 in this year's draft (or whichever pick it may have been) but I dont see anywhere that shows a list of who has what pick.
Also didn't see in the rules anywhere that explained what will be happening this year.
Will it be done by reverse rankings of where the actual NBA teams finished last year?
Does it follow that draft order of the actual NBA draft (ignoring picks that were traded already)?
Or is it done as a full lottery?
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The draft order is the same as the real life order. The draft order can be found here on the league spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13EFhjGpGNEjAp1MRxKWYpVBYEhcxFuNv_msUZhUVtaQ/edit#gid=1147911980
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Only question i have at the moment is where/when do we find out who has what pick for this inaugural year?
I've noticed Pistons have posted on the trade block that they're open to moving specifically pick 7 in this year's draft (or whichever pick it may have been) but I dont see anywhere that shows a list of who has what pick.
Also didn't see in the rules anywhere that explained what will be happening this year.
Will it be done by reverse rankings of where the actual NBA teams finished last year?
Does it follow that draft order of the actual NBA draft (ignoring picks that were traded already)?
Or is it done as a full lottery?
This next link shows what picks have been traded thus far.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=370273.0
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Only question i have at the moment is where/when do we find out who has what pick for this inaugural year?
I've noticed Pistons have posted on the trade block that they're open to moving specifically pick 7 in this year's draft (or whichever pick it may have been) but I dont see anywhere that shows a list of who has what pick.
Also didn't see in the rules anywhere that explained what will be happening this year.
Will it be done by reverse rankings of where the actual NBA teams finished last year?
Does it follow that draft order of the actual NBA draft (ignoring picks that were traded already)?
Or is it done as a full lottery?
The 2020 rookie draft order is posted here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=370270.0
It is done post real life lottery with every team getting their original picks back.
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The 2020 rookie draft order is posted here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=370270.0
It is done post real life lottery with every team getting their original picks back.
ah yep, thats pretty clear, somewhat wish i had've seen that earlier but all good.
only other thing, at what time are we ok to put our extension claims in? can they be done now? do we have to wait until at least the first game of the season? or is it some other date?
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ah yep, thats pretty clear, somewhat wish i had've seen that earlier but all good.
only other thing, at what time are we ok to put our extension claims in? can they be done now? do we have to wait until at least the first game of the season? or is it some other date?
You are allowed to go ahead and put in extensions now. A few have already been done.
Extensions right now use the player's top overall rank from the 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons (for 2019-20 change the option on fantrax to make the date up to March 12th as we are only using up until Covid shut NBA down for extension ranks in 2019-20). Fairest way to do it since not all teams played when NBA restarted.
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I think we might need changes to the rookie scale.
1) If this league keeps all salary rules the same year to year, then we should definitely have a tab in the CCD google sheets to record the scale in case the NBA scale changes with the salary cap.
2. Also, right now pick 30 gets 1.6M per year for 4 years (2 team options), while pick 31 can get 0.5M per year for 3 years. That seems like a big drop in annual salary and that it should be a little more gradual.
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You are allowed to go ahead and put in extensions now. A few have already been done.
Extensions right now use the player's top overall rank from the 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons (for 2019-20 change the option on fantrax to make the date up to March 12th as we are only using up until Covid shut NBA down for extension ranks in 2019-20). Fairest way to do it since not all teams played when NBA restarted.
no worries, thanks.
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Are dropped players using free drops still affected by the 30 days between releasing a player and resigning him rule?
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Are dropped players using free drops still affected by the 30 days between releasing a player and resigning him rule?
No they will not. The releasing and signing within 30 days will start after the free drops are closed. If you dropped someone using the free drop, you’ll be able to bid on them in FA
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I am just wondering, but what is the point of multiplying RFA extensions by 1.2? It seems like a weird rule to me that just occasionally penalizes teams with players on rookie contracts.
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I am certainly curious about the answer to the question above, although I believe the answer is probably that you are paying extra for the privilege of locking down a player and extending vs. allowing him to potentially be signed by another team at a price you are unwilling to pay.
In regards to the minor/G-League, the rules state, "Any player who has played in 60 or more games will not be eligible for the G-league. Once a player reaches 60 he will either be called up or released." What is the time period for calling up or releasing a player? Does it need to be done before game 60 or is there a certain time period after 60 games to make a decision?
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It’s a rule that is in another 30 team league I’m in on another site so I brought it for this one too. But it’s essentially what DynastyDeacon says above. You are paying extra for the ability to lock them down and avoid letting them go to RFA where they might get an offer that you are not willing to match.
As for the 60 GP, essentially you will need to decide to bring them up within a week after they eclipse the 60 GP. I’ll update that in the rules
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I have some questions regarding scoring and schedule:
- will each team play 19 games in the regular season?
- are changes in the starting slots allowed daily? Would it be possible to rotate players during the week even in absence of injuries?
- is there a limit of total games played any week?
Thanks a lot
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I have some questions regarding scoring and schedule:
- will each team play 19 games in the regular season?
- are changes in the starting slots allowed daily? Would it be possible to rotate players during the week even in absence of injuries?
- is there a limit of total games played any week?
Thanks a lot
During the regular 82 schedule (which will hopefully be back for 2021-22), there is 19 weeks in regular season (each team will play a minimum of 4 matchups in a scoring week so that we get to 82 games). This year, I still have to look at how many weeks we need to make sure we get to playoffs on time (remember with 16 playoffs, we need 4 weeks for playoffs). Schedule will be done in a way to get multiple games a week and get to 72 games.
Starting slots are set daily not weekly and no limit on total games.
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thanks a lot, so I assume the weekly matchups currently on Fantrax are not the actual ones and the schedule will be published separately. I also assume that each matchup scoring will not be tracked on Fantrax but on a specific spreadsheet. Playing multiple matchups per week, could it happen that none of my players plays in a specific matchup so my score is zero for that matchup?
Could you kindly confirm if I have understood correctly? Sorry for the question but I used to play in a league with weekly matchups on ESPN and I am not familiar with Fantrax.
Thanks a lot in advance for the clarification
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"G-League:
*Once a player hits 60 games played, you will have a week to call them up or they will be released (and you will have to pay the penalty for that player's release unless player makes under $1m salary)
Releasing Players:
-Any player making $1m or less is eligible to be free dropped. Anyone who is cut from the G-League will also not bring a cap penalty"
I just want to clarify the rules regarding dropping players from the G-League. See above quotes from the rules. Do the rules state that I can still drop a player making more than $1M after they hit 60 games with no cap hit as long as I release them within the week after hitting 60 games. Then once a week has passed if I haven't called them up they are automatically released and I have to pay the cap unless they are $1M or under.
Also the original rule says "$1M or less" and the added clarification says "under $1M"
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"G-League:
*Once a player hits 60 games played, you will have a week to call them up or they will be released (and you will have to pay the penalty for that player's release unless player makes under $1m salary)
Releasing Players:
-Any player making $1m or less is eligible to be free dropped. Anyone who is cut from the G-League will also not bring a cap penalty"
I just want to clarify the rules regarding dropping players from the G-League. See above quotes from the rules. Do the rules state that I can still drop a player making more than $1M after they hit 60 games with no cap hit as long as I release them within the week after hitting 60 games. Then once a week has passed if I haven't called them up they are automatically released and I have to pay the cap unless they are $1M or under.
Also the original rule says "$1M or less" and the added clarification says "under $1M"
It’s $1m and under. After they hit 60 games, you’ll have a week to bring them up. If you don’t bring them up they will be released with the regular penalty (unless making $1m or less)
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It’s $1m and under. After they hit 60 games, you’ll have a week to bring them up. If you don’t bring them up they will be released with the regular penalty (unless making $1m or less)
Sorry, I am still not 100% sure I understand it. Say a player in the G-League making $1.5M plays his 60th game on January 4th. What is the very last day I can drop him without incurring a regular penalty?
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Sorry, I am still not 100% sure I understand it. Say a player in the G-League making $1.5M plays his 60th game on January 4th. What is the very last day I can drop him without incurring a regular penalty?
If you don’t want a penalty for dropping a player in the g-league, you need to drop them before they hit the 60 games mark. If they hit the 60 mark, still in your g-league, they have to be called up within a week or they will be released with the penalty. You can’t drop them for no penalty if the week to call up has already started.
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thanks a lot, so I assume the weekly matchups currently on Fantrax are not the actual ones and the schedule will be published separately. I also assume that each matchup scoring will not be tracked on Fantrax but on a specific spreadsheet. Playing multiple matchups per week, could it happen that none of my players plays in a specific matchup so my score is zero for that matchup?
Could you kindly confirm if I have understood correctly? Sorry for the question but I used to play in a league with weekly matchups on ESPN and I am not familiar with Fantrax.
Thanks a lot in advance for the clarification
Sorry to bump this topic. I would just like to clarify my question.
Does the 4 matchups in a week use weekly scoring or the matchups just last 1-2 days?I mean, my team has 4 matchups in week 1, will I use the weekly scoring on Fantrax for all that 4 matchups (the score of my team will be the same for all that 4 matchups) or the calculation period for any single matchup is just 1-2 days? Thanks a lot
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thanks a lot, so I assume the weekly matchups currently on Fantrax are not the actual ones and the schedule will be published separately. I also assume that each matchup scoring will not be tracked on Fantrax but on a specific spreadsheet. Playing multiple matchups per week, could it happen that none of my players plays in a specific matchup so my score is zero for that matchup?
Could you kindly confirm if I have understood correctly? Sorry for the question but I used to play in a league with weekly matchups on ESPN and I am not familiar with Fantrax.
Thanks a lot in advance for the clarification
Every matchup you have in a week will use the weekly scoring. Fantrax allows entering multiple matchups per week for each team unlike ESPN. No matchup is 1-2 days. All of them use your stats for the entire scoring period.
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One suggestion for the rookie draft when people time out might be to auto-draft the highest drafted rookie from the real draft. Especially if it is possible the the owner has left without saying anything because it could hurt the new owner unnecessarily to miss a pick.
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One suggestion for the rookie draft when people time out might be to auto-draft the highest drafted rookie from the real draft. Especially if it is possible the the owner has left without saying anything because it could hurt the new owner unnecessarily to miss a pick.
Right now the rule is if they don’t make up pick by the end of the round they’ll be auto picked the highest drafted player (and be put on auto for any further picks if they don’t make up the pick themselves)
Can look at changing it to straight auto pick if you time out instead of end of round auto pick
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Right now the rule is if they don’t make up pick by the end of the round they’ll be auto picked the highest drafted player (and be put on auto for any further picks if they don’t make up the pick themselves)
Can look at changing it to straight auto pick if you time out instead of end of round auto pick
Those who pick at the end of the round do not have the same chance to make up their pick. I'd rather every team have a chance to make up their pick throughout the draft and unowned teams be auto-picked for. However, it might be easiest to simply straight auto-pick for each team that lets their time elapse.
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A few final questions and suggestions before free agency kicks off:
Question: Is the 1m or less free drop mean we can drop a player for free if his salary is at most 1m total or at most 1m per year?
Also, when you say you need the cap space to offer contracts, I assume offers like 20m then you have 10m in cap space are ok since you can make it a multi-year deal (need space each year). Is that right?
Suggestion: A third tier for bid increments might be good, such as increasing by at least 4m once the bid reaches 40m (or something to speed up larger bids).
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If I got zero cap but want some Gleague guys is there an option to bid if I mention they are going straight to Gleague if won?
If not no problem just thought I'd ask.
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A few final questions and suggestions before free agency kicks off:
Question: Is the 1m or less free drop mean we can drop a player for free if his salary is at most 1m total or at most 1m per year?
Also, when you say you need the cap space to offer contracts, I assume offers like 20m then you have 10m in cap space are ok since you can make it a multi-year deal (need space each year). Is that right?
Suggestion: A third tier for bid increments might be good, such as increasing by at least 4m once the bid reaches 40m (or something to speed up larger bids).
It's $1m salary. So if they are on a $1m a year deal for 2 years, they are eligible for a free drop.
Yes it's by total contract. You need the space that is eligible for that contract. So if you place a bid of $20m, you need a minimum of $6.7m in cap space (3 years max you can do on a $20m bid)
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If I got zero cap but want some Gleague guys is there an option to bid if I mention they are going straight to Gleague if won?
If not no problem just thought I'd ask.
Yes. If you place a bid on a g-league eligible and state they will be going to g-league if won, you can bid on them with no cap.
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Yes. If you place a bid on a g-league eligible and state they will be going to g-league if won, you can bid on them with no cap.
Thanks :iatp:
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Any limit on number of active Players Bids?
Can active bids exceed your budget?
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Any limit on number of active Players Bids?
Can active bids exceed your budget?
No limit on active bids
But yes you cannot go over your budget with bids. You have to have the cap space prior to the bid (whether it be a drop or a trade that’s posted that clears the necessary space)
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No limit on active bids
But yes you cannot go over your budget with bids. You have to have the cap space prior to the bid (whether it be a drop or a trade that’s posted that clears the necessary space)
I think some opening bids are invalid?
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Which ones?
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Yeah I don't see any bids that have already put a team over their cap. Could you specify which ones look like they are invalid?
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Just a quick question
- Seeing a lot of single numbers as the bid - are we supposed to state the amount of years we are implying on the contract?
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Just a quick question
- Seeing a lot of single numbers as the bid - are we supposed to state the amount of years we are implying on the contract?
No years are given after winning the player. The number you post is the total contract amount
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Is there a roster limit on free agency? I see one team currently has the winning bid on 16 players, lol. Do you have to have the roster space for all the players being won?
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I have 7 spots. 9 of the players I am winning bids on can be dropped for free. So even if I won them all (unlikely), it does not matter because I could just drop those 9 (and not be able to re-sign them for 30 days which is irrelevant). I assumed it is ok as long as I have the cap space.
And my bids are legal regarding cap space too.
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You’re allowed to have more bids than roster spots. You just can’t have more total salary in bids than cap space.
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So if you place a bid of $20m, you need a minimum of $6.7m in cap space (3 years max you can do on a $20m bid)
Why is a 20m bid a three year max contract? The rules say a bid greater than 10m is allowed a 5 year contract. How do you determine what the contract length can be?
Given amount per year
<= $1m, 2 years
$1.1m - $5.4m, 3 years
$5.5m - $10m, 4 years
> $10m, 5 years (the overall limit)
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Why is a 20m bid a three year max contract? The rules say a bid greater than 10m is allowed a 5 year contract. How do you determine what the contract length can be?
Given amount per year
<= $1m, 2 years
$1.1m - $5.4m, 3 years
$5.5m - $10m, 4 years
> $10m, 5 years (the overall limit)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but bids are total salary, while the quoted minimums below are per year. So a 20M bid cannot be a 4 year contract as it would be 5M per year, which is below the minimum per year allowed for 4 years. It must be 3 years or fewer to have a per year bid above the minimum.
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Why is a 20m bid a three year max contract? The rules say a bid greater than 10m is allowed a 5 year contract. How do you determine what the contract length can be?
Given amount per year
<= $1m, 2 years
$1.1m - $5.4m, 3 years
$5.5m - $10m, 4 years
> $10m, 5 years (the overall limit)
Those amounts are the PER YEAR allowed. We bid in total contract value. $20m is the total contract amount. Which means it’s a max 6.7m unless you raise final bid to $22m to get $5.5m over 4 years. You must bid over $50m to get a 5 year deal at $10m plus.
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For next year, I feel like we should keep a max of 10-15 players on the market at one time - when one player gets won another player get added and so on until free agency is competed. Everyone on the market at once is making my head spin lol
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FA is always handled this way in leagues here. You limit it like that and FA will literally take forever.
It’s only this crazy because of the amount of really good players available. There won’t be another FA pool this deep.
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The rules state that someone has 3 days to post a contract after winning a player in free agency. What happens if they do not post a contract within 3 days?
Hypothetically, what if someone bids on a player with 2 minutes left in the 48 hours to win a bid just to screw over another manager, then doesn't actually want the player, wins the bid, then doesn't sign the player? What happens to the player, the manager that doesn't sign the player, and the manager that got outbid with 2 minutes left in the 48 hours?
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He would go to the next highest bidder.
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Starting with next Off-season, we will have new minimums for bidding.
Under $9.9m bid, $0.5m minimum increase
$10-$49.9m, $2m minimum
$50m-$99.9m, $5m minimum
$100m+, $10m minimum
Will be updated in rules shortly. This does not effect the current Free Agency.
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I like the bidding rule change for next year.
For the other rule clarification, I think that the contract should just be set automatically (longest allowed?) if the team does not specify. Just letting it go to the next bidder has 2 problems that I see:
1) It lets owners run up bids on players and not risk getting stuck with them...they can just not sign them. If we do this, then we might as well allow owners to modify/retract offers.
2) More of a problem for fairness (although not so much for the Ingram case) is that this rule means that other owners might miss out on chances to bid what the winning bid was. For example, owner A bids 10m on a player, owner B jumps to 30m, wins and then doesn't sign the player. This would mean owner A wins for 10m even though some owners might have been willing to bid 12-30m but couldn't.
Of course, I agree that it should be next bidder for now if it is posted somewhere. Just a suggestion for the future.
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This is a trade/roster type question I guess?
Hypothetically, if I were to trade 1 player for 5 players and I was instantly buying out the 5 players I was getting back in return would I need open roster spots for those players or can I put in the transaction post regarding the trade that I am buying out the players?
IE: I have 12 full roster spots. Can I trade one guy for more than one guy as long as I am buying out the extra number of players I am getting in return as part of the trade transaction?
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I mean you could do that. Not sure why you would want to but there's nothing in the rules specifically against trading 1 player for 5 and immediately buying them out.
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I have two questions about IR slots.
Does every move from and to IR need to be posted or can I simply make the change in Fantrax?
Assuming I have temporarily 13 players (not counting G-league and including one injured player in IR) and the injured player is upgraded to healthy, how much time I have to move him to an active slot? Can I keep him out indefinitely to avoid a drop?
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The post above still needs answered.
A related question: To move a player to/from the G-league roster, do I just post that I want him moved and let the LMs do everything?
Before the season I moved a player in Fantrax myself and posted the move here, but it looks like I should have just posted here and waited for someone else to move him instead when I reread the rules.
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I have two questions about IR slots.
Does every move from and to IR need to be posted or can I simply make the change in Fantrax?
Assuming I have temporarily 13 players (not counting G-league and including one injured player in IR) and the injured player is upgraded to healthy, how much time I have to move him to an active slot? Can I keep him out indefinitely to avoid a drop?
Yes, each move your team makes needs to be posted aside from lineup changes. This includes moves between your vet and minors rosters. We have to update the sheet so fantrax and the sheet match at all times. Each transaction is a record so that way we can track player movement and financials effectively. If a player is traded, we know where he is right before he's traded.
As for the other question, I'd prefer to have Billy answer that one.
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The post above still needs answered.
A related question: To move a player to/from the G-league roster, do I just post that I want him moved and let the LMs do everything?
Before the season I moved a player in Fantrax myself and posted the move here, but it looks like I should have just posted here and waited for someone else to move him instead when I reread the rules.
You will need to post the promotion and/or demotion each time so we can track player movement on fantrax and the sheet. After you post the move, you are welcome to make the swap on fantrax yourself. It would help us out if you post that you have done the move on fantrax yourself so we can move onto the next move we need to process.
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If you have a player on the IR, they need to be activated as soon as they are healthy. They cannot sit on IR if they are playing
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Ok thanks.
I have another quick question related to this topic.
Can I move to IR all players with a red flag or just those players with a red flag including white cross?
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Ok thanks.
I have another quick question related to this topic.
Can I move to IR all players with a red flag or just those players with a red flag including white cross?
Either one. As long as they are some kind of injured whether it the full red flag or the one with the cross.
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Not sure if this was addressed and pretty unique situation, but if I make a trade to open up cap space while a FA I am interested is on board can I make bid with the cap right away?
Just a timing issue as waiting on deal to be approved and updated may mean FA is not on board but if I have to wait and miss out that's fair.
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The one above this still needs answered.
If someone wants to buy out a contract and another team is paying for a year for that player, does the manager need to pay anything to buy out that year since they don't pay the salary for that player for that year.
IE: Utah Jazz has JJ Redick who makes $13M in 2021 (fully paid by another team) and $12M in 2022. Would the buyout be only $6M total. $0M in 2021 as fully paid in year 1 (75% x $0M), plus $6M in year 2 (50% x $12M).
Thank you!
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Not sure if this was addressed and pretty unique situation, but if I make a trade to open up cap space while a FA I am interested is on board can I make bid with the cap right away?
Just a timing issue as waiting on deal to be approved and updated may mean FA is not on board but if I have to wait and miss out that's fair.
As long as a trade or drop is posted prior to placing then yes it's legal to post the bid with the cap space you cleared from the trade/drop.
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The one above this still needs answered.
If someone wants to buy out a contract and another team is paying for a year for that player, does the manager need to pay anything to buy out that year since they don't pay the salary for that player for that year.
IE: Utah Jazz has JJ Redick who makes $13M in 2021 (fully paid by another team) and $12M in 2022. Would the buyout be only $6M total. $0M in 2021 as fully paid in year 1 (75% x $0M), plus $6M in year 2 (50% x $12M).
Thank you!
If someone is already paid by someone else and you cut them, the total value of their contract and the total cap hit are added up. If the amount paid is equal to or more than the total cap hit, the team does not have to pay to cut them.
Like with Redick. The total contract is $25m. The total penalty would be $15.5m. Since $12m is already covered, the dropping team would need to pay the $3.5m remaining penalty either in the current season or the next season.
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When is it possible to start bidding on a RFA not re-signed?
I would also like to ask a clarification on the following rule.
RFA rights on a player can be traded up until the start of RFA. Once RFA starts, you cannot trade the RFA rights.
I do not understand how I can trade a RFA right. For example, can I trade now 2023 RFA of Lonnie Walker and keep the player until 2022? Then, can the team which acquired the right decide to match my extension offer in 2023 and acquire the player?
Thanks for the clarification
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When is it possible to start bidding on a RFA not re-signed?
I would also like to ask a clarification on the following rule.
RFA rights on a player can be traded up until the start of RFA. Once RFA starts, you cannot trade the RFA rights.
I do not understand how I can trade a RFA right. For example, can I trade now 2023 RFA of Lonnie Walker and keep the player until 2022? Then, can the team which acquired the right decide to match my extension offer in 2023 and acquire the player?
Thanks for the clarification
During off-season FA like regular FA. You have until 2/1 every season to resign an RFA. If you don't they go to RFA.
Rights mean after the player is guaranteed to hit RFA, that RFA can be traded up until the start of RFA (except obviously between trade deadline and start of trading in off-season). Rights go to whoever has the player when RFA starts. Trading the rights does not mean you keep the player until RFA.
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1) So is bidding on an RFA sometime during the offseason, after our playoffs?
2) Is there an RFA free agency separate from regular free agency in the offseason or will they go simultaneously? If separate, which is first?
To see if I understand. IE: If Utah doesn't extend Donovan Mitchell by 2/1, I could be traded his rights any time after that as long as it isn't after the trade deadline and before transactions open up again in the offseason.
3) Could I be traded his rights after someone else has a winning bid and Utah has a chance to match? If Detroit has a high bid of $150M for 48 hours and Utah has only $5M available in cap could I then trade for Mitchell's rights or is the cutoff sometime before the winning bid is placed and the clock starts to match?
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RFA will happen before regular Free Agency in the off-season. We do the draft, then we do RFA, then UFA.
No the cut off is the start of RFA period. If you have the rights when RFA starts, the rights stay with you. You cannot trade the player till after the player's bid has been matched. If Utah doesn't extend Mitchel, they have up until the trade deadline to trade him or when trading opens back up in the off-season. But as soon as RFA opens up, the RFA is locked to whatever team has him. The only team that will get him is the team with the rights or the team with the winning bid. After they have a new contract, they can then be traded.
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Perfect explanation. Thank you!
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Quick Question: So if everything holds up and let's just say I have SAC has a .333 win % but am still top of the Pacific, does that mean SAC (me) makes the playoffs lmao?
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Quick Question: So if everything holds up and let's just say I have SAC has a .333 win % but am still top of the Pacific, does that mean SAC (me) makes the playoffs lmao?
Yes. It’s just like real life. Division winner is guaranteed to make playoffs. Likely as the 8 seed lol
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Yes. It’s just like real life. Division winner is guaranteed to make playoffs. Likely as the 8 seed lol
The rules here say division winners get in, so I am not suggesting that is changed now.
But I am pretty sure division winners don't automatically make the playoffs in the real NBA.
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The rules here say division winners get in, so I am not suggesting that is changed now.
But I am pretty sure division winners don't automatically make the playoffs in the real NBA.
Yes they do. There is no point to divisions if winning the division doesn’t guarantee you a playoff berth.
A couple of years ago it used to be winning the division guaranteed an NBA team a top 4 seed in the playoffs. Now a division title just guarantees the playoff berth, not the high seed
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Can a player be extended if the extension puts the team over the salary cap in the future?
I was under the impression a team had to have the cap space to extend someone, but it looks like Boston is extending Tatum for $30M per year, which would put Boston's team salary next year at about $130M.
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Teams can go over cap in future years.
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Thanks, good to know. When is the deadline to get back under the cap and what if any consequences are there for not getting to the cap by the deadline?
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Are there any rules about intentional tanking? DET appears to be intentionally setting empty lineups all this week.
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Thanks, good to know. When is the deadline to get back under the cap and what if any consequences are there for not getting to the cap by the deadline?
I have another request for clarification related to the question above that still needs to be answered.
Can a team go over the cap just when re-sign a player or also through a trade (for example, I have $5m cap space in 2021 and 2022 and I buy a $30m player with 2021 contract fully paid)?
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I have another request for clarification related to the question above that still needs to be answered.
Can a team go over the cap just when re-sign a player or also through a trade (for example, I have $5m cap space in 2021 and 2022 and I buy a $30m player with 2021 contract fully paid)?
It’s all the same. It doesnt matter if it’s by trade or resign, you can go over the cap in future years. There is no deadline when you have to be back under. However if say you are over cap next year, as soon as the off season starts, EVERY move made has to be made to clear cap (meaning any trade has to send out more cap then you bring back and you will not be able to participate in FA until under the cap).
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ok thanks.
Can a team that is above the cap promote a player from G-league?
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ok thanks.
Can a team that is above the cap promote a player from G-league?
No. You have to have the cap to promote them.
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Is it possible to trade G league players and draft picks after the trade deadline or should we wait the end of playoffs?
It would be great if trading of all players (not just G league or picks) could be extended until the start of playoff. It is probably a late request but maybe it can be a proposal for next year.
Another question, can we release a player from active team anytime even during playoff?
Thanks a lot
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Does trading open immediately after the end of the playoffs or should we wait the start of next season?
When is the deadline to extend the contract to a player?
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Trading will not open right away. When I move rosters over to the next season, trading will then open up.
Does trading open immediately after the end of the playoffs or should we wait the start of next season?
When is the deadline to extend the contract to a player?
Is it possible to trade G league players and draft picks after the trade deadline or should we wait the end of playoffs?
It would be great if trading of all players (not just G league or picks) could be extended until the start of playoff. It is probably a late request but maybe it can be a proposal for next year.
Another question, can we release a player from active team anytime even during playoff?
Thanks a lot
Thought I answered this but no all players are subject to the trade deadline. After deadline, no player can be traded till trading opens in off-season
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If it is possible in Fantrax I believe it would be a good idea to end the fantasy season a week before the final week of the actual NBA season. So essentially start the playoffs a week earlier and have the championship the 2nd to last week of the NBA regular season instead of the last week of the actual NBA season. The last week of the actual NBA season gets kind of crazy with players resting, being shut down early, injuries, playing young players to get a look at them, all the 10-day contracts etc. I think it would be a good practice and will end up with playoff results that more closely match who the best and worst teams are in the playoffs.
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If it is possible in Fantrax I believe it would be a good idea to end the fantasy season a week before the final week of the actual NBA season. So essentially start the playoffs a week earlier and have the championship the 2nd to last week of the NBA regular season instead of the last week of the actual NBA season. The last week of the actual NBA season gets kind of crazy with players resting, being shut down early, injuries, playing young players to get a look at them, all the 10-day contracts etc. I think it would be a good practice and will end up with playoff results that more closely match who the best and worst teams are in the playoffs.
Spurs agree, playing the Finals one or even two weeks before the last week of the actual NBA season would work best
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This is the way I intended it this year but with Covid making the schedule in flux, it was hard to make sure to get schedule not using the last week. Next season will hopefully provide a return to normal NBA scheduling and I will make sure we don't use the last week of the NBA season.
I will say though that out of all the major sports, NBA is the most difficult to nail down for playoffs truly showing the best teams. Teams who are out of it start resting their stars with more than a month in the season sometimes and it screws top teams in fantasy who have those players. Baseball/Football the stars still play down the stretch unless they are legitimately injured.
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1) Are teams allowed to make trades at this time?
2) Are players on expired contracts allowed to have their rights traded? I know RFAs can have their rights traded, but I wasn't sure about regular free agents. IE: I was hoping to trade Doug McDermott if allowed as I do not wish to extend his contract.
Thank you!
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1) Are teams allowed to make trades at this time?
2) Are players on expired contracts allowed to have their rights traded? I know RFAs can have their rights traded, but I wasn't sure about regular free agents. IE: I was hoping to trade Doug McDermott if allowed as I do not wish to extend his contract.
Thank you!
Yes to both
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Is there a penalty for dropping players that make over $1m from the G-League? Thanks, in advance.
G-League:
*Once a player hits 60 games played, you will have a week to call them up or they will be released (and you will have to pay the penalty for that player's release unless player makes under $1m salary)
Releasing Players:
Any player making $1m or less is eligible to be free dropped. Anyone who is cut from the G-League will also not bring a cap penalty.
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Is there a penalty for dropping players that make over $1m from the G-League? Thanks, in advance.
G-League:
*Once a player hits 60 games played, you will have a week to call them up or they will be released (and you will have to pay the penalty for that player's release unless player makes under $1m salary)
Releasing Players:
Any player making $1m or less is eligible to be free dropped. Anyone who is cut from the G-League will also not bring a cap penalty.
As long as they have not already hit the 60 game threshold, there is no penalty to releasing the G-League player.
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I'm sorry if this has been asked but I can't find it.
If I have an impending FA with an expired contract, would I need to extend him (and have the cap space to do it) before trading?
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I'm sorry if this has been asked but I can't find it.
If I have an impending FA with an expired contract, would I need to extend him (and have the cap space to do it) before trading?
No he can just be traded without resigning first.
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Does the winning bidder of a player in RFA set the contract term too, then the manager with RFA rights has to match the contract term and amount per year or does the manager have to just match the total high bid amount?
IE: Bam Adebayo is at $100m. If that bid stands can the winning bidder set a term of their choosing of for example 2 years at $50m to make it nearly impossible for the team with RFA rights to match it, or does the RFA rights holder just have to match the total $100m bid amount and can then choose whatever term they want?
Thanks!
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Does the winning bidder of a player in RFA set the contract term too, then the manager with RFA rights has to match the contract term and amount per year or does the manager have to just match the total high bid amount?
IE: Bam Adebayo is at $100m. If that bid stands can the winning bidder set a term of their choosing of for example 2 years at $50m to make it nearly impossible for the team with RFA rights to match it, or does the RFA rights holder just have to match the total $100m bid amount and can then choose whatever term they want?
Thanks!
It?s whoever gets the player. So if the owner matches, they choose the contract terms. If the owner doesn?t match, the team that won the bid chooses the contract terms.
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Would it be possible for all rule changes to be emailed to everyone or announced somewhere? I see last night the RFA rules were changed to 72 hours to match from 24 hours to match the high bidder. I only know that because you said Brent had 72 hours to make a decision on an RFA contract. It would be helpful to be made aware of any rule charges when they happen. Especially a rule like that as the strategy completely changes for me in bidding.
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Would it be possible for all rule changes to be emailed to everyone or announced somewhere? I see last night the RFA rules were changed to 72 hours to match from 24 hours to match the high bidder. I only know that because you said Brent had 72 hours to make a decision on an RFA contract. It would be helpful to be made aware of any rule charges when they happen. Especially a rule like that as the strategy completely changes for me in bidding.
There was no bidder on that RFA.
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There was no bidder on that RFA.
The rules now read that all RFAs (no bid and won by others by being high bidder for 48 hours) are 72 hours to make a decision/match for players that were won by high bid for 48 hours or sign to a deal/release if no bid, when previously it was 24 hours for both situations. I'm just requesting that we be notified of any rule changes in the future. Nothing against rule changes, but it's helpful to know when a rule is changed so we are all playing with the same up to date understanding of the rules.
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The rule should have always been 72 hours to match the UFA 72 hour rule to post the contract/roster moves of the player. Don?t know how it got put in there as 24 hours to begin with.
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The rule should have always been 72 hours to match the UFA 72 hour rule to post the contract/roster moves of the player. Don?t know how it got put in there as 24 hours to begin with.
That's fine. I just think it would be a good idea to notify everyone telling us of a rule change when one takes place. An email, reply to the rules, or some other way of telling everyone what changed would be helpful and appreciated. Not trying to make a big deal or anything, just hoping to stay in the loop.
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I have two questions:
- is it still possible to resign a player with expired contract and go above the cap? For example, I am referring to the Lakers/Jazz trade and to the possibility for Lakers to resign Davis after the trade
- when can we start bidding on free agents?
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I have two questions:
- is it still possible to resign a player with expired contract and go above the cap? For example, I am referring to the Lakers/Jazz trade and to the possibility for Lakers to resign Davis after the trade
- when can we start bidding on free agents?
No you have to have the cap to resign the player.
UFA does not start till after the rookie draft.
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Ok thanks.
So you can resign a player during the season even if you go above the cap in the following year, but you cannot resign a player with an expired contract and go above the cap when the new season starts. Is it correct?
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Ok thanks.
So you can resign a player during the season even if you go above the cap in the following year, but you cannot resign a player with an expired contract and go above the cap when the new season starts. Is it correct?
Yes that's correct. You are allowed to go over cap in future years so an extension in season that puts you over next year's cap is legal. Any moves made in the off season that would put you over the cap are invalid.
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Not sure if this was asked and it's a bit out there but curious if a 3 way trade is agreed upon would it be legal for a team to pay a portion of salary on a player they are not sending if they get compensated to do so (e.g. Lakers pay X $ on Irving and a 3rd team pays Y more $ to get total payment to 1 number). Totally cool if it's not allowed but figured I'd ask.
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Not sure if this was asked and it's a bit out there but curious if a 3 way trade is agreed upon would it be legal for a team to pay a portion of salary on a player they are not sending if they get compensated to do so (e.g. Lakers pay X $ on Irving and a 3rd team pays Y more $ to get total payment to 1 number). Totally cool if it's not allowed but figured I'd ask.
From league rules "Only the owner that owns that player can pay part of that player's contract in a trade. If 3 or more teams are in a trade, that 3rd team can not pay part of a salary going from team 1 to team 2 or vice-versa."
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Yes per rules, only team moving the player can pay for part of their contract
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From league rules "Only the owner that owns that player can pay part of that player's contract in a trade. If 3 or more teams are in a trade, that 3rd team can not pay part of a salary going from team 1 to team 2 or vice-versa."
Yes per rules, only team moving the player can pay for part of their contract
Thanks, I should have checked rules :doh:
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What are the rules regarding the releasing of fully paid players or partially paid players and the buyout implications if the total amount paid by others is greater than the buyout amount.
The equation for calculating the buyout price is the cap hit added up from each year minus the amount paid by others. If the amount paid by others is greater than the total buyout price, would the person that dropped the player get the difference as extra cap space?
IE: Taurean Prince $14.5m (2022) is fully paid by Los Angeles Lakers. The buyout price of the original amount due is $10.9m. Can Utah Jazz buy out Taurean Prince and get $3.6m in extra cap space this year?
A more extreme example:
IE: Could I trade for Blake Griffin $16.7m (2023) and have Detroit Pistons pay $16.7m each year. The buyout price of the original amount due is $20.9m. The amount paid by others would be $33.4m. Could I then buy out Blake Griffin and gain the difference of $12.5m in extra cap space this year?
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Answered this in :UT: moves post but copied here as well:
I've never been able to clearly explain my thought process on this kind of deal.
Essentially yes if a player is paid any kind of cap exchange from a trade that amount goes to the buyout of the player and the team dropping him would only pay a cap hit equal to whatever is needed to cover the rest of the cap hit. IE if someone's cap hit is $7m for dropping and another team is paying him $5m, the releasing team would need to pay the remaining $2m cap hit.
If someone is fully paid, then the dropping team would just have the players cap dropped along with the cap exchange for a net $0 gaining. Would create too much of an trade advantage if someone could trade for some high contract player fully paid and drop them to gain some cap space.
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We post in this section because we want to avoid to interfere in a trade with an off-topic discussion, as happened instead last week in the Derozan trade. We kindly ask the league manager a clarification about trades between rebuilding teams and contenders. Last week a trade between Spurs and Clippers was vetoed or, better, not even let to be voted. Now, an almost identical trade has just been posted. In our opinion both trades should be approved because they are fair and benefit all the teams involved but, considering the previous one was vetoed and abruptly deleted, we just ask an opinion to the league manager on veto/approval policy regarding trades involving old players with expensive contracts in rebuilding teams.
We believe that the same rules should be applied throughout the entire league. 10 days ago we lost an opportunity for finalizing a trade without even a vote taking place. A few days later, a very analogous trade with the same logic was finalized and, a bit surprisingly, by the same member who vetoed our trade.
We just think a clarification/opinion by the league manager is important on this topic
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I am also curious as to the answer of the above question.
Lowry and DeRozan make a very interesting case study as both have similar current values at #68 (DeRozan) and #71 (Lowry) overall and both have a 4 year/$22m per year contract running now through the 24-25 season. I think it is important to do an analysis of players currently playing that are their same ages and older as that can give perspective as to what to expect in terms of their future value in trades and future playing ability. This can give valuable insight into when a player goes from having value to just being a salary dump.
Current Ages:
Kyle Lowry - 35 years old
Demar DeRozan - 32 years old
Age at the end of this season:
Kyle Lowry - 36 years old
Demar DeRozan - 32 years old
Age at the end of the 2024-2025 season (June 2025) when both their 4 year/$22m per year contracts expire.
Kyle Lowry - 39 years old
Demar DeRozan - 35 years old
Many players are still in their prime in their early 30s. There are quite a few players still playing at an extremely high level in their early to mid 30s: (Steph Curry - 33 years old, #2 rank; James Harden - 32 years old, #10 rank; Kevin Durant - 33 years old, #16 rank; Paul George - 31 years old, #18 rank; Gordon Hayward - 31 years old, #19 rank; Russel Westbrook - 33 years old, #25 rank; Al Horford - 35 years old, #35 rank; CJ McCollum - 31 years old, #39 rank; Damian Lillard - 31 years old, #40 rank; Chris Paul - 36 years old, #44 rank; LeBron James - 36 years old, #51 rank; Ricky Rubio - 31 years old, #58 rank). There are several others in the top #100, but I stopped at #60 overall.
For some additional important perspective on a players ability to continue playing at a high level at certain ages, at the start of this season the oldest players in the league are:
1) Udonis Haslem - 41 years old
2) Andre Igoudala - 37
3) Carmelo Anthony - 37
4) LeBron James - 36
5) Paul Millsap - 36
6) P.J. Tucker - 36
7) Chris Paul - 36
8) Taj Gibson - 36
9) Trevor Ariza - 36
10) LaMarcus Aldridge - 36
It is rather common for a player to still be in their prime in their early 30s, still have substantial value (top 50 or top 100 value) in their mid-30s, but very rarely does a player have any value or even the ability to play at all in their upper 30s as seen above. Certainly some players slow down in their early 30s, but if a player has stayed rather healthy and is still playing at a high level in their early 30s they often still have substantial value in their mid-30s. I think the trades in this league have followed that premise rather accurately as Lowry was shopped significantly and most didn't want him for a 2nd round pick even if he was fully paid for the current year. While players in their early 30s like Steph Curry, Paul George, Demar DeRozan, Nikola Vucevic, Draymond Green were all traded for significant returns or signed to large contracts in free agency.
Draymond Green was more recently signed to a 5 year, $50m per year deal to run through 2026 when he will be 36 years old at the end of that contract.
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Derozan is 3 years younger than Lowry but still remains a 32 years old player with a very expensive 4 years contract. There is a difference in value between Derozan and Lowry but there is a difference also between the two packages of picks/players offered for them.
We do not want to start an asset-by-asset comparison of the two trades, this is not our goal.
It is pretty clear, in our opinion, that the logic, the type of teams involved (rebuilding team and contender) and the overall balance of the traded assets in the 2 trades are very similar.
We just would like to have a clarification on the policy about trades between contenders and rebuilding teams involving old players with expensive contracts, to avoid that similar trades are treated in different ways
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I am also curious as to the answer of the above question.
Lowry and DeRozan make a very interesting case study as both have similar current values at #68 (DeRozan) and #71 (Lowry) overall and both have a 4 year/$22m per year contract running now through the 24-25 season. I think it is important to do an analysis of players currently playing that are their same ages and older as that can give perspective as to what to expect in terms of their future value in trades and future playing ability. This can give valuable insight into when a player goes from having value to just being a salary dump.
Current Ages:
Kyle Lowry - 35 years old
Demar DeRozan - 32 years old
Age at the end of this season:
Kyle Lowry - 36 years old
Demar DeRozan - 32 years old
Age at the end of the 2024-2025 season (June 2025) when both their 4 year/$22m per year contracts expire.
Kyle Lowry - 39 years old
Demar DeRozan - 35 years old
Many players are still in their prime in their early 30s. There are quite a few players still playing at an extremely high level in their early to mid 30s: (Steph Curry - 33 years old, #2 rank; James Harden - 32 years old, #10 rank; Kevin Durant - 33 years old, #16 rank; Paul George - 31 years old, #18 rank; Gordon Hayward - 31 years old, #19 rank; Russel Westbrook - 33 years old, #25 rank; Al Horford - 35 years old, #35 rank; CJ McCollum - 31 years old, #39 rank; Damian Lillard - 31 years old, #40 rank; Chris Paul - 36 years old, #44 rank; LeBron James - 36 years old, #51 rank; Ricky Rubio - 31 years old, #58 rank). There are several others in the top #100, but I stopped at #60 overall.
For some additional important perspective on a players ability to continue playing at a high level at certain ages, at the start of this season the oldest players in the league are:
1) Udonis Haslem - 41 years old
2) Andre Igoudala - 37
3) Carmelo Anthony - 37
4) LeBron James - 36
5) Paul Millsap - 36
6) P.J. Tucker - 36
7) Chris Paul - 36
8) Taj Gibson - 36
9) Trevor Ariza - 36
10) LaMarcus Aldridge - 36
It is rather common for a player to still be in their prime in their early 30s, still have substantial value (top 50 or top 100 value) in their mid-30s, but very rarely does a player have any value or even the ability to play at all in their upper 30s as seen above. Certainly some players slow down in their early 30s, but if a player has stayed rather healthy and is still playing at a high level in their early 30s they often still have substantial value in their mid-30s. I think the trades in this league have followed that premise rather accurately as Lowry was shopped significantly and most didn't want him for a 2nd round pick even if he was fully paid for the current year. While players in their early 30s like Steph Curry, Paul George, Demar DeRozan, Nikola Vucevic, Draymond Green were all traded for significant returns or signed to large contracts in free agency.
Unfortunately past trades simply do not validate the last sentence above. For example, Draymond Green, a fully comparable player with Derozan (same age, ranking and contract), was mentioned. He was traded twice last year:
GS trades
PF/C Draymon Green $24.9m 2024 ($17.9m paid 21 & 22)
76ers trade
2nd rd picks (2020, '21, '22).
And then
76ers trade
PF Dramond Green $24.9 (2024)
$17.9m paid by GS 2020 & 2021
$7m paid by 76ers 2020
Boston trades
2nd rd pick (SG Jay Scrubb)
Both trades were approved.
We thought the veto/block on Derozan trade was reflecting a change of opinion/policy on trades between a contender and a rebuilding team, but after the recent trade was posted we have doubts about it.
Look forward to receiving a clarification about trade policy from the league manager
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The trade was removed because the discussion over that trade got extremely and unnecessarily out of hand.
There will be no back and forth discussion over trades any longer. If a trade is posted, the only posts made should be a person voting. And if they veto, a simple reason for that veto.
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Thanks for the reply.
So we assume that there are no changes in the policy on trades involving old players with expensive contracts and that Derozan trade was just a one-off situation, where a trade with good chances to be approved (on the basis of previous and following trades) was removed just because it was overshadowed by an off-topic discussion.
Considering that there is not a strict written rule for approving/vetoing this type of trades, we think the valuation/veto should take into consideration a bunch of past trades comparable (Steph Curry, Draymond Green twice and now Kyle Lowry) and, considering that a degree of subjectivity in any case will remain, each voting member should at least maintain consistency with his/her previous votes
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Thanks for the reply.
So we assume that there are no changes in the policy on trades involving old players with expensive contracts and that Derozan trade was just a one-off situation, where a trade with good chances to be approved (on the basis of previous and following trades) was removed just because it was overshadowed by an off-topic discussion.
Considering that there is not a strict written rule for approving/vetoing this type of trades, we think the valuation/veto should take into consideration a bunch of past trades comparable (Steph Curry, Draymond Green twice and now Kyle Lowry) and, considering that a degree of subjectivity in any case will remain, each voting member should at least maintain consistency with his/her previous votes
I would really like to move on from this, especially since I am now boldly being accused of purposefully torpedoing a trade. I'll give you my reasoning for the differences in the trades below briefly, but I really want the current accusations against me to stop.
Kyle Lowry trade vs. Demar DeRozan - same exact contract 4 year, $22m per year contract, DeRozan will be 35 years old at the end of the contract. There are plenty of players balling out at 35 years old, including Kyle Lowry (currently). Kyle Lowry will be 39 years old at the end of his contract. He will be 37 years old before the final two years of his contract (turning 37 years old in the 2nd year of a 4 year contract) and there were only 3 players that were even capable of playing in the NBA at the start of this season that were 37 years old or older. Only 1, Carmelo Anthony, has any value at all and on any any other team besides the dysfunctional Lakers he probably has no value either. Therefore, it can be assumed that there is only a slim chance Lowry will even be in the league or able to perform at all at the end of his contract, while DeRozan may still be a consistent top #100 player.
Draymond Green trade #1 & #2 - was prior to the 2020-21 season when Green was being paid a 4 year, $24.9m per year contract after coming off finishes of #113 and #187. DeRozan has been a top 100 fixture the last 3 years at #59, #67, #85, and this year currently at #64. Green was more expensive and a lot worse/injury prone, looking like he might never be the player he once was due to injuries. According to how well DeRozan is playing and his current rank, he is still playing at a consistent high level, which is not uncommon for players in their early 30s. The primary risk to that though is injuries, which is why Draymond's worth was so low. After being traded Draymond Green was later bought out as his contract was determined to be so awful and his value so low. If Demar DeRozan is equal Interpaga should be happy his trade was vetoed and he can keep his picks and players vs. having to buy out DeRozan. After the approval of the Green trades he was bought out. After the attempted trade for DeRozan he was traded for Nikola Vucevic. That doesn't sound like two even players to me.
Dynasty Guru's top 185 dynasty rankings in December 2020 around the time Green was traded twice left Draymond Green off their list of top 185 players. I cannot find any other rankings from that time period. Draymond has significantly more value now than he did then as he started playing much better at the end of last season after being released. He was awful in the first half of last year. As Interpaga mentioned previously its important to look at the trades at the time they were made.
Steph Curry - was 32 years old at the time of the trade. Same as DeRozan is now. Curry was coming off a rank of #397 in 19-20, having only played 5 games after returning from a hand injury. He didn't look like the player he was prior to the injury and averaged only 20.8 points per game with a .402 FG%. Given his age and the injury and the little we saw of him in the 19-20 season it was fair to think that he might not go back to playing at a high level at the time the trade was made. He was also traded for the #21 and #51 picks in the 2020 NBA draft and a 1st round pick in 2021. Nobody knew how good OKC would be at the beginning of the season so the 1st round pick in 2021 had more value than it does now. Your 1st will be worst then the #21 pick, especially if getting DeRozan, and your 2nd was most likely worthless. Therefore two picks in the Curry trade had more value than your best pick in the DeRozan trade. As shown above DeRozan has been a healthy sure thing for many years now and is still playing at a consistent high level.
We could dance back and forth on player values and differences of opinions. I have no interest in that. Please stop trying to make me look bad. You were upset with my accusations and insinuations before. I get that. Please don't do the same thing to me. I apologized and tried to move on. I suggest you do the same now. I have never cast a veto vote for my own benefit or allowed a trade for my own benefit. I vote what I believe to be accurate and best based on my own evaluations. You are certainly welcome to disagree as you apparently do. Going forward I will stick to a brief paragraph like the above if I have to cast a veto vote and won't engage with a manager if they disagree and want to argue. I apologize to the league for before when I became involved in a back and forth on a trade. I am sorry for having upset you Interpaga, but please move on. We are allowed to disagree on whether a trade should be allowed or vetoed. It isn't anything personal. I recently improved a rival in the East Coast in Miami with a trade from Toronto, which will most likely hurt my New York Knicks in the playoffs. I am managing my teams with what I believe is the best for them, I suggest you do the same and put whatever feelings you have against me aside. Please, move on.
This is my last comment on here. Say whatever you want. I won't be entertaining or acknowledging any of this anymore. It's time to move on.
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We did not accuse anyone. We just reported facts:
- a trade was deleted just because it was overshadowed by an off-topic discussion
- two objectively* very comparable trades (Green and Derozan) were valued differently and we just asked for as much consistency as possible in the future.
This caused (we believe/hope unintentionally) a clear and uncalled for damage to us and potential disparity in the league, so it was important to clarify better what happened and avoid it happens again.
Happy to move on too.
*We say objectively comparable because the two most respected websites reporting free fantasy basketball dynasty ranking rank Derozan (65 and 79) and Green (72 and 89). And the small difference in ranking can easily be compensated by the difference between the two packages for Derozan (1 first round pick and 3 others players/picks) and Green (1 second round pick). Also in December 2020, at the time of the trade, FantraxHQ, Draftkings and Rotoballer ranked Draymond Green (age 30) respectively 41, 42 and 66. These were season projections (not able to find old public dynasty rankings) but still indicative of very good expected production. Anyway, we can acknowledge and accept that someone can have a different personal opinion.
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I have a question about the team options. Toronto has Malachi Flynn $1.6m (2024) RFA with 2023 and 2024 as team options. Is there a deadline where I would need to pick up the team option for next year? Is it an automatic pick up of the team option and I have to decline a team option by a certain deadline? Is it sort of like having a free drop anytime while the current year is a team option? I am just wondering how it will work and what if any deadlines there will be. Thank you!
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You have until June 30th each off season to pick up a team option. If it?s not picked up, the player goes to FA.
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According to league rules, if we re-sign a player after February 1st, extensions use the current season and the previous season ranking. If we decide for example to re-sign a player in mid-February, is the current season ranking the one at the date of re-signing (statistics from season start to mid-February) or the end of season ranking?
Can you also confirm if it is valid a contract extension posted between February and the end of playoffs and resulting in a team going above the cap in future years?
Thanks
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According to league rules, if we re-sign a player after February 1st, extensions use the current season and the previous season ranking. If we decide for example to re-sign a player in mid-February, is the current season ranking the one at the date of re-signing (statistics from season start to mid-February) or the end of season ranking?
Can you also confirm if it is valid a contract extension posted between February and the end of playoffs and resulting in a team going above the cap in future years?
Thanks
1. It's the ranking as of that date that they are re-signed.
2. Yes, it is legal to go above cap in future years when resigning a player. Once we get to off-season and roster is move over, every move must be to clear some cap to get back under the cap.
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1. It's the ranking as of that date that they are re-signed.
Hello. Is this also true of RFA's signed before February 1st?
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Hello. Is this also true of RFA's signed before February 1st?
No. Rankings for RFAs are set in stone based on finishing rankings from previous 2 complete seasons.
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@Billy in Key Dates you have the trade deadline as "Trade Deadline- 2/10/22 @ 12:01 AM EST" which would be in 8 hours or so, which would be 15 hours before the NBA trade deadline of 2/10/22 @ 3:00 PM EST.
I guess my question is whether tonight is our trade deadline (8ish hours) or whether the time and/or date was a typo? I was expecting our trade deadline would be after the actual NBA trade deadline.
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Hello, just a small suggestion on contracts.
Hope to have a mark or note if a player only signed for 1 yr., so we can know he is NOT eligible for extension. In my team i have 3 expiring, i know brunson is not signed just for 1 yr so he can be extended, mcgee i dont know, and howard i signed for a year so he will not qualify for extension.
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Hi all. Just a few questions from the rookie. :toth:
I've read the rules but just need further clarifications:
1. Is free agency closed until after the next rookie draft?
2. Can trades still occur? and
3. When do Cap Adjustments for 2022 drop off the my Expenses?
I'm sure i'll have more q's later but that can wait.
Thanks. Enjoying looking over a new team
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Hi all. Just a few questions from the rookie. :toth:
I've read the rules but just need further clarifications:
1. Is free agency closed until after the next rookie draft?
2. Can trades still occur? and
3. When do Cap Adjustments for 2022 drop off the my Expenses?
I'm sure i'll have more q's later but that can wait.
Thanks. Enjoying looking over a new team
1. Yes free agency closes at start of playoffs and opens again after the rookie draft is over.
2. Trades are currently closed but re-open at the start of the offseason
3. I roll the rosters over to the next year around May/June so any expenses would be removed then for those in 2021-22.
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We are in a weird in between seasons place and in the middle of modifying the rules as it pertains to cash exchanges so I was hoping to get some clarifications on what can happen at this time.
1) Can trades still be made with cash exchanges per the old/current rules while new ones are decided?
2) If trades are made now do they need to work and comply with the salary cap in the 2022-2023 season or are we still working with the 2021-2022 season salary cap?
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We are in a weird in between seasons place and in the middle of modifying the rules as it pertains to cash exchanges so I was hoping to get some clarifications on what can happen at this time.
1) Can trades still be made with cash exchanges per the old/current rules while new ones are decided?
2) If trades are made now do they need to work and comply with the salary cap in the 2022-2023 season or are we still working with the 2021-2022 season salary cap?
1. No trades can be made involving cash exchanges until the vote is decided
2. The 2021-22 season is over. Trades have to work under the 2022-23 cap to be allowed.
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Hello,
About offseason, is it ok to go over the roster limit?, but ofcourse not over the cap its just the roster limit where we have morethan 12 players on active roster in the offseason.
I feel we already have this, but its an unwritten rule.
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Hello,
About offseason, is it ok to go over the roster limit?, but ofcourse not over the cap its just the roster limit where we have morethan 12 players on active roster in the offseason.
I feel we already have this, but its an unwritten rule.
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It's kind of an unwritten rule. You can't go over cap but roster is fine
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It's kind of an unwritten rule. You can't go over cap but roster is fine
ok, thanks.
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So must you be under or at the cap at the beginning of the season? Or as before where you can be over but show an intent to decrease?
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So must you be under or at the cap at the beginning of the season? Or as before where you can be over but show an intent to decrease?
You have to be under by the start of the regular season. During off season, if you are over cap to start, every move needs to be clear cap (outside of draft picks)
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copy, thanks
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You have to be under by the start of the regular season. During off season, if you are over cap to start, every move needs to be clear cap (outside of draft picks)
Does this mean you cannot extend a player if you are over the cap? For example, Utah Jazz is $31.7m over the cap limit at the moment. Utah has 8 players on the final year of their contract. Can Utah extend those players since the extension starts next year or does that constitute a move that is not allowed as it does not clear cap in the current year?
Also, I guess I am confused about having to be at the cap limit by the start of the regular season. Does that mean that teams like Oklahoma City (currently $55.2m over the cap) and Utah Jazz (currently 31.7m over the cap) have to shed that much cap space before the start of the regular season?
A previous clarification stated there was no deadline to go back under the cap as long as each move when you are over the cap is to get you below the cap. I made the Anthony Davis trade based on the previous clarification below on February 7th, 2021. If I have to now be under the cap by the start of next season that trade is a trade I never would have made. I'll abide by it as to not screw over New Orleans Pelicans if the rule did actually change to include a deadline when it previously did not.
Also, can all the rules about going over the cap, deadlines to get under the cap and clarifications on prohibited transactions while over the cap be added to the rules?
Quote from: Interpaga on February 07, 2021, 08:06:03 AM
I have another request for clarification related to the question above that still needs to be answered.
Can a team go over the cap just when re-sign a player or also through a trade (for example, I have $5m cap space in 2021 and 2022 and I buy a $30m player with 2021 contract fully paid)?
It’s all the same. It doesnt matter if it’s by trade or resign, you can go over the cap in future years. There is no deadline when you have to be back under. However if say you are over cap next year, as soon as the off season starts, EVERY move made has to be made to clear cap (meaning any trade has to send out more cap then you bring back and you will not be able to participate in FA until under the cap).
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Yes you can extend players that expire at the end of this season. Moves that take on cap in the current cap year while over the cap are the only ones not allowed.
Teams that are over the cap have always had to be under the cap by the start of the regular season. Why would a team be allowed to be over the cap while in the regular season? That should be clear and not something that has to be in the rules. We can?t have every single thing in the rules or it would be too long for anyone to read.
It?s common sense that you can?t start the regular season over the cap.
It?s no different than roster size. During regular season, you have to have a complaint roster. During off season rules are just relaxed to allow teams to start the off season over the cap and make moves to clear the cap over the course of the off season.
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Yes you can extend players that expire at the end of this season. Moves that take on cap in the current cap year while over the cap are the only ones not allowed.
Teams that are over the cap have always had to be under the cap by the start of the regular season. Why would a team be allowed to be over the cap while in the regular season? That should be clear and not something that has to be in the rules. We can?t have every single thing in the rules or it would be too long for anyone to read.
It?s common sense that you can?t start the regular season over the cap.
It?s no different than roster size. During regular season, you have to have a complaint roster. During off season rules are just relaxed to allow teams to start the off season over the cap and make moves to clear the cap over the course of the off season.
There are quite a few of us that didn't understand the rule that way as you yourself said in the past that there was no deadline for getting under the cap. It sounds like there is a pretty clear deadline now. There's a lot of confusion about all of this and it isn't just me. I didn't think it made sense to allow teams to go over cap in future years or be over during the offseason. It creates a lot of confusion and aids in the creation of super teams and is allowed. Being over the cap going into a season from being over the year before also didn't make sense to me, but you said yourself there was no deadline for getting under the cap so I and several others that I have talked to thought you could be over during the season as long as every move lowered the total cap. This is the first time a deadline has been mentioned that I can remember after consistently hearing that you can be over the cap as long as every move decreases the amount a team is over the cap.
I've been talking strategy with a half dozen teams in this league over the past month about getting quite a few stars fully paid this year and obtaining or signing players on long term contracts. I would be under the cap this year due to everyone being fully or partially paid, then go into future seasons with a super team that is way over cap. The downside would be that if I needed to trade I would have to decrease my cap, but I would have all long term contracts so I wouldn't need to trade. If I found I really needed to make a roster move my salaries would be so high it would be easy to decrease my cap slightly with any trade if I needed to. Every player I would have on my team would be signed to a 3-year deal or more by the end of the season so I wouldn't need to trade and could be well over cap for two years after this one without it having any affect on me. Everyone thought that was a brilliant strategy, but it obviously isn't feasible if a team has to be under the cap by the start of the season. Everyone I talked to about that strategy was also under the impression that there was no deadline to being under the cap. Having a deadline of being under the cap by the start of next season for my team vs. the strategy admitted to above with no deadline to being under the cap turns my brilliant deal for a superstar in Anthony Davis into an idiotic one year rental given my future cap situation.
I am guessing Utah and Oklahoma City also didn't realize they had to be under the cap by the start of the season. I think Oklahoma City found out he had to shed $50m by the start of the season, which is one-third of his salary so he quit. I'm not sure Utah even knows unless he reads this as Vik needs to shed $30m and has made zero attempts this offseason to decrease his cap and hasn't even set up a trade block.
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A rule can be put in place to prevent teams from being allowed to go over cap in future years. Can be put to a league vote with it going in place next off season to not affect anyone that is already over the cap for any future season.
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A rule can be put in place to prevent teams from being allowed to go over cap in future years. Can be put to a league vote with it going in place next off season to not affect anyone that is already over the cap for any future season.
I think that would clear up a lot of confusion especially since there are a lot of unwritten rules and clarifications about that in here and the various scenarios of how and when a team can go over the cap, what they can and cannot do when over the cap, when they need to get under the cap, etc. It would also increase the competitiveness of the league.
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A rule can be put in place to prevent teams from being allowed to go over cap in future years. Can be put to a league vote with it going in place next off season to not affect anyone that is already over the cap for any future season.
I think that would be a great idea as well.
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When the FA players will be updated in Fantrax?
I have noticed that Taj Gibson is with NY, I think this is a mistake as he should be a FA.. also, I do not see any transactions for him in Fantrax.
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When the FA players will be updated in Fantrax?
I have noticed that Taj Gibson is with NY, I think this is a mistake as he should be a FA.. also, I do not see any transactions for him in Fantrax.
The deadline to resign players is June 30th. Anyone who is not extended by then will be released and the FA pool will be decided (unless of course players are released later).
He's listed on your :PHX: roster on fantrax and expired contract on the spreadsheet.
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Hi league.
Could someone please explain the free drop option outlined in the "Salary Cap Structure " section in the official rules.
Is it an old rule for original managers or available to new managers like myself?
I recall a recent transaction for G Hayward which I believe used this section.
If it is possible, does it only apply to players on the originally inherited roster or any players which may or may not have been traded for since?
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Hi league.
Could someone please explain the free drop option outlined in the "Salary Cap Structure " section in the official rules.
Is it an old rule for original managers or available to new managers like myself?
I recall a recent transaction for G Hayward which I believe used this section.
If it is possible, does it only apply to players on the originally inherited roster or any players which may or may not have been traded for since?
That specific part of the rules was actually only for the beginning of the league to allow owners to drop a few contracts from their beginning of the league.
However, we do have a rule in place that allows a new manager of a team to drop 1 contract from their team with no cap hit (IE the Hayward release falls under this). I thought I had this listed in the rules but apparently I didn't so I will get it added for clarity. But yes, since you are new to the Raptors, you can drop a player from your roster.
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That specific part of the rules was actually only for the beginning of the league to allow owners to drop a few contracts from their beginning of the league.
However, we do have a rule in place that allows a new manager of a team to drop 1 contract from their team with no cap hit (IE the Hayward release falls under this). I thought I had this listed in the rules but apparently I didn't so I will get it added for clarity. But yes, since you are new to the Raptors, you can drop a player from your roster.
Thanks for the clarification 👍
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Two questions:
- is it be possible to extend a player's contract contextually to a trade if the player is in the final year of his contract? If so, is the total contract value (to calculate the 25% max) the sum of current and extended contract? Taking Capela as an example, his existing contract is already 25% paid in 2023. If I extend his contract, can I cover more than current $4.2m in 2023 in a potential trade (obviously complying with the 25% rule of total contract)?
- when does the FA start?
Thanks in advance for the clarification
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Yes a player can be extend in the context of the trade if in final year of deal. And yes, a player can then have more paid on the player. The player's new contract value for payment will then be the 1 year plus how many years he is extended by.
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When is the deadline to comply with the roster size limit? Start of the regular season?
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When is the deadline to comply with the roster size limit? Start of the regular season?
Yes, start of regular season. Anyone over will have an illegal lineup and not score stats until validated
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I have a rule clarification question.
From the Rules:
You may not bid on a player that you have released for a period of 30 days. If you resign a player, their original contract is restored.
The first sentence makes it sound like you cannot bid on a player you released for a period of 30 days as it seems to clearly state that, but the 2nd sentence makes it sound like you can, but if you win the bid you get the player for the contract they had when you released them. Can you clarify the above rule?
I'm only asking for clarification as San Antonio Spurs released Simone Fontecchio on October 19th and bid on him again today, less than a week later.
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I have a rule clarification question.
From the Rules:
The first sentence makes it sound like you cannot bid on a player you released for a period of 30 days as it seems to clearly state that, but the 2nd sentence makes it sound like you can, but if you win the bid you get the player for the contract they had when you released them. Can you clarify the above rule?
I'm only asking for clarification as San Antonio Spurs released Simone Fontecchio on October 19th and bid on him again today, less than a week later.
I need to reword that in the rules. Essentially yes you can still bid on a player you released within 30 days but if you win the player again, the original contract goes back in place (unless the new contract would be higher). This is done to prevent someone from cutting someone and getting them back at a discounted salary right away.
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If it is possible in Fantrax I believe it would be a good idea to end the fantasy season a week before the final week of the actual NBA season. So essentially start the playoffs a week earlier and have the championship the 2nd to last week of the NBA regular season instead of the last week of the actual NBA season. The last week of the actual NBA season gets kind of crazy with players resting, being shut down early, injuries, playing young players to get a look at them, all the 10-day contracts etc. I think it would be a good practice and will end up with playoff results that more closely match who the best and worst teams are in the playoffs.
Are we still in time to move the playoff start 1 week earlier for the reasons well explained in the quoted post?
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Are we still in time to move the playoff start 1 week earlier for the reasons well explained in the quoted post?
I actually agree with this, That last week of the season is STUPID.
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It's going to have to be something we look at doing next season. Schedule is already set for this season.
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Is the salary of players in IR list included in the calculation of salary cap?
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Is the salary of players in IR list included in the calculation of salary cap?
Yes
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Is there a league chat apart from this site such as discord?
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When does the free agency start? Have the 4 rule change proposals (discussed in the off-season discussion section) been already approved? Thanks
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Can we add timezone info to "input" tab in the roster spreadsheet? It would help with trade negotiations knowing when yo expect response