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Fantasy Leagues => NHL Leagues => ProFSL Dynasty Hockey => Topic started by: WestCoastExpress on October 08, 2020, 04:27:32 PM
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Please feel free to post any PDH-related questions in this thread
Myself or Vik will answer the best we can, and follow up via PM if necessary to clarify anything
Thanks :thumbsup:
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Where do we sign up for this league? I would like To take Colorado
A lot of reading To do
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Where do we sign up for this league? I would like To take Colorado
A lot of reading To do
PM sent @jlapo11 :thumbsup:
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What do we do when a player is traded to another team (Zadorov vs Saad) before league is in place? Who owns who
About missing players in our roster (p ex Alex Newhook and all the ones listed in Eliteprospects (tab In the system)
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(1) if player was on your team roster Sept.29 he is your property. Zadorov still belongs to the COL franchise; Domi still to MTL franchise, etc.
(2A) we will get prospects added - reason why they’re not on salary cap websites is they haven’t signed an Entry Level Contract in real life. Same for my Canucks, I don’t have Vasily Podkolzin on my roster yet either
(2B) to that point if there are un-signed rookies not on your roster let us know (like Newhook and Podkolzin who were drafted last year, just not signed their rookie contracts yet, which is common for NCAA and European players)
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Is there a fantrax league setup yet? I'd like to be able to look at my player stats and rankings to make informed decisions on my captains and free drops.
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Is there a fantrax league setup yet? I'd like to be able to look at my player stats and rankings to make informed decisions on my captains and free drops.
yes it looks like they have the teams that have joined. check your fantrax teams but they have not added the players to our teams yet
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The minor league system?
How many total minors are we allowed to have and keep. On the roster page, it said I have 32/30 assuming I'd have to move 2. It have also seen it said minors would be dropped. Question, how many minors are we allowed to keep? What are the penalties for dropping, or loss of picks for keeping?
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The minor league system?
How many total minors are we allowed to have and keep. On the roster page, it said I have 32/30 assuming I'd have to move 2. It have also seen it said minors would be dropped. Question, how many minors are we allowed to keep? What are the penalties for dropping, or loss of picks for keeping?
Minors rosters are capped at 30. I just added any and all players I could find that are/were in the NSH minor league system. There is no perfect site to find current ones (and ones who qualify for PDH - under 31 NHL games).
There may have been some missed (ie. 2019 draftees are a common theme of not on most rosters here to start), and some will need to be dropped as they're AHL players with more than 30 NHL games.
I used a different site though to find the NSH minors so hopefully it is a bit more up to date. However it also includes super long shots such as 6th and 7th round picks from previous seasons, so those might be guys you'd want to drop.
There is no rush, as you can be over the roster limit for a while here, until the rookie and contraction draft.
To answer the main questions:
- Max. minor league roster size = 30
- There is no penalty for dropping minor league players (they're free drops)
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the draft threads have us doing 7 rounds for prospects and 6 for contraction but our team pages list 7 rounds for both?
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the draft threads have us doing 7 rounds for prospects and 6 for contraction but our team pages list 7 rounds for both?
Draft picks on team page is rookie picks only.
Correct on 7 rounds for rookies (to minor NHL) but 6 for contraction. Since contraction is just a 1 time draft, only have the picks in the actual contraction draft thread.
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I apologize if there’s a waiting list sign up someplace that I didn’t see, but I’d like to be considered.
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I apologize if there’s a waiting list sign up someplace that I didn’t see, but I’d like to be considered.
No worries. League is currently full at 16. Should we get an opening I will reachout via PM and let you.
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I know it does not say in the RFA rules, but should we have a limit to how many players can be taken from a single team per year?
Real life NHL you never see offer sheets and I've never been in a league that has this feature, so maybe there will not be much activity, but I can see a situation where a team like the Kings in 2-3 years might have 4+ higher end players get nabbed. Draft picks are all well and good, but then they will just be in a similar situation a few years after that.
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I know it does not say in the RFA rules, but should we have a limit to how many players can be taken from a single team per year?
Real life NHL you never see offer sheets and I've never been in a league that has this feature, so maybe there will not be much activity, but I can see a situation where a team like the Kings in 2-3 years might have 4+ higher end players get nabbed. Draft picks are all well and good, but then they will just be in a similar situation a few years after that.
Interesting point, however, with RFA team always has option to match the winning offer so limiting the number seems a little messy. I don't see how to fairly say you can bid on 4 RFA from 1 team but player 5 is untouchable. Having a lot of RFAs same year I guess is part of game so will simply lead to some tough choices.
I'm willing to discuss this further but not sure anything other than allowing all RFA (regardless of number per a team) to enter RFA really makes sense.
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I know it does not say in the RFA rules, but should we have a limit to how many players can be taken from a single team per year?
Real life NHL you never see offer sheets and I've never been in a league that has this feature, so maybe there will not be much activity, but I can see a situation where a team like the Kings in 2-3 years might have 4+ higher end players get nabbed. Draft picks are all well and good, but then they will just be in a similar situation a few years after that.
a team like LA needs to plan ahead for different situations like this. all in managing your team. its not likely any team will have 4 guys as high end RFA at the same time and if they do they should have planed ahead for it. the only change I would consider is maybe a 10% discount if they match the offer
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Interesting point, however, with RFA team always has option to match the winning offer so limiting the number seems a little messy. I don't see how to fairly say you can bid on 4 RFA from 1 team but player 5 is untouchable. Having a lot of RFAs same year I guess is part of game so will simply lead to some tough choices.
I'm willing to discuss this further but not sure anything other than allowing all RFA (regardless of number per a team) to enter RFA really makes sense.
Yeah, I might just be over thinking how many offer sheets pour in. I just didn't like the thought of a team that has been rebuilding for a couple years gets to a point where their good drafting ends up with a bunch of RFAs that turn into more draft picks. Not a fun cycle.
My thought was to allow all offer sheets that don't involve a 1st round compensation and then cap it at the 1st (2) that would involve a 1st round pick going back to the owner. Any player with 1st round compensation could be paid up to $6.3 million making them at least a top 30 player. Losing more than (2) of those would be rough.
The only thing a team could concretely plan for would be to trade away their RFA to avoid it all together. Anything outside of that could not be planned for.
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Yeah, I might just be over thinking how many offer sheets pour in. I just didn't like the thought of a team that has been rebuilding for a couple years gets to a point where their good drafting ends up with a bunch of RFAs that turn into more draft picks. Not a fun cycle.
My thought was to allow all offer sheets that don't involve a 1st round compensation and then cap it at the 1st (2) that would involve a 1st round pick going back to the owner. Any player with 1st round compensation could be paid up to $6.3 million making them at least a top 30 player. Losing more than (2) of those would be rough.
The only thing a team could concretely plan for would be to trade away their RFA to avoid it all together. Anything outside of that could not be planned for.
the other thing I was thinking maybe the comp should be more at each level but the team can match the offer so its not like we cant plan for that. I have my cap number projected out 4-5 years always, its not totally accurate but it does tell me what kind of impact my signings will have down the road and by projecting future contracts I know where Ill be in trouble and I can do a lot of what if's
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Yeah, I might just be over thinking how many offer sheets pour in. I just didn't like the thought of a team that has been rebuilding for a couple years gets to a point where their good drafting ends up with a bunch of RFAs that turn into more draft picks. Not a fun cycle.
My thought was to allow all offer sheets that don't involve a 1st round compensation and then cap it at the 1st (2) that would involve a 1st round pick going back to the owner. Any player with 1st round compensation could be paid up to $6.3 million making them at least a top 30 player. Losing more than (2) of those would be rough.
The only thing a team could concretely plan for would be to trade away their RFA to avoid it all together. Anything outside of that could not be planned for.
I don't think RFA will be that big of a detriment to the league. Its kind of nice that the young players have to go thru it and you could possibly acquire a player you like. I think every team is likely to have a player or two every year going to RFA.
Even if a team has 4 RFA's they might get lucky and have one or two signed to contracts in real life that they can accept and won't go to bidding.
And if all your RFA's go to RFA the compensation should likely keep prices down. We have 16 teams in the league so its not like we can all sign a top RFA every year. bottom 5 teams probably won't want to move a top 5 pick in the rookie draft for just anyone so those teams probably won't go past 4.2m. Top teams might be more willing to but they need to have the cap space and picks to do it. If you trade rookie draft picks it impacts your ability to sign RFA's so some teams might not be able to sign a certain range if they don't have the picks.
I think you are likely to see RFA's get modest two or three year deals because compensation will keep the prices down and then you'll get to resign the player a few years later. Unless a guy like McDavid comes along and then a team might be willing to sell the farm for him and all bets are off.
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I don't think RFA will be that big of a detriment to the league. Its kind of nice that the young players have to go thru it and you could possibly acquire a player you like. I think every team is likely to have a player or two every year going to RFA.
Even if a team has 4 RFA's they might get lucky and have one or two signed to contracts in real life that they can accept and won't go to bidding.
And if all your RFA's go to RFA the compensation should likely keep prices down. We have 16 teams in the league so its not like we can all sign a top RFA every year. bottom 5 teams probably won't want to move a top 5 pick in the rookie draft for just anyone so those teams probably won't go past 4.2m. Top teams might be more willing to but they need to have the cap space and picks to do it. If you trade rookie draft picks it impacts your ability to sign RFA's so some teams might not be able to sign a certain range if they don't have the picks.
I think you are likely to see RFA's get modest two or three year deals because compensation will keep the prices down and then you'll get to resign the player a few years later. Unless a guy like McDavid comes along and then a team might be willing to sell the farm for him and all bets are off.
:iatp: Nice way to summarize things and I would tend to agree.
The great thing for our league is we have 16 GMs with varying building styles. New league and you have several teams (like my Leafs and Vegas) who are going for it now. On the flip side you also have other teams making more long term moves and acquiring draft capital/specs. I'm thinking we have a couple teams emerge as new contenders yearly, when the next set of young guys comes. Older win now teams have to eventually retool.
I do think some RFA moment will happen, but just dont think we really need to change rules.
As a refersher here is current rule:
Draft Pick Compensation: (Actual NHL Compensation Ranges as of Oct.2020)
$1.4m or below = None
$1.5m to $2.1m = Third Round
$2.2m to $4.2m = Second Round
$4.3m to $6.3m = First Round & Third Round
$6.4m to $8.4m = First Round, Second Round, and Third Round
$8.5m to $10.5m = Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round
Over $10.5m = Four First Rounds
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Players with 0-30 NHL games can be signed in Free agency after the Rookie Draft and Contraction draft are completed right?
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Rookie Player Bidding (Players with 0-30 NHL Games Played)
- You cannot bid on players who are eligible for upcoming NHL Entry Drafts (ie. You can't bid on 16-year old phenoms)
- This feature will mostly be used following our PDH Rookie Draft where teams can bid on players who went un-drafted
- There will be an early Rookie FA Deadline to prevent teams from bidding on UDFA NCAA player who end up signing on with NHL teams later in the season - these players would be eligible for the PDH Rookie Draft (See important dates for deadlines)
- Rookie Contract FA's will assume a min. salary ($0.5m) plus whatever signing bonus is bid with them
How to Bid on Rookie Players:
- Bidding will be done in the form of a base Rookie Contract (RC) plus a signing bonus
- Signing bonus will count against your cap, and will be able to be split over 2 years
- Remember that RC's are not allowed on NHL Rosters if the player isn't actually in the NHL; This in effect negates the need for people to bid on a RC eligible player under normal FA terms, as they wouldn't be eligible for the NHL Roster
- Upon winning a RC player, their contract will look like: D Joe Schmoe, $0.5m (R)
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Can you add the category - salary - in the Fantrax draft room?
Could be useful to help us with our picks
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Can you add the category - salary - in the Fantrax draft room?
Could be useful to help us with our picks
ok I set it for each player aav but no years but let me see if I can add that
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ok I set it for each player aav but no years but let me see if I can add that
Interesting, this helps lot. However, 1 think to note is the fantrax salary includes performance bonuses so in some cases the numbers is off, we are using just the base player salary as per post here and hockeybuzz.
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Interesting, this helps lot. However, 1 think to note is the fantrax salary includes performance bonuses so in some cases the numbers is off, we are using just the base player salary as per post here and hockeybuzz.
i CHECKED A FEW AND ITS THE SAME AS THE LIST YOU POSTED
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i CHECKED A FEW AND ITS THE SAME AS THE LIST YOU POSTED
On mobile so I'll check again shortly. Initial glance I agree most did look same but some performance bonuses do change things for certain players. Brady Tkachuk stood out. Either way if we have some discprancies this is still better than nothing.
Can send PM everyone we are still using posted numbers so on same page.
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On mobile so I'll check again shortly. Initial glance I agree most did look same but some performance bonuses do change things for certain players. Brady Tkachuk stood out. Either way if we have some discprancies this is still better than nothing.
Can send PM everyone we are still using posted numbers so on same page.
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I have Calle Andersson on my Fantrax Roster. Don't know where he comes from?. Was not mine before
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I have Calle Andersson on my Fantrax Roster. Don't know where he comes from?. Was not mine before
Looks like I accidently sent you Calle Andersson and Lias Anderson as part of trade with Rangers when it should have only been Lias. Calle has been dropped to FA and checking with Rangers if they want to keep him.
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When looking up extension values we are supposed to use the best ranking of the previous 2 years correct?
Just wanted to make sure because I think the example given of Dubois should be 7.8m a year instead of the 6m for RFAs in contraction draft.
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When looking up extension values we are supposed to use the best ranking of the previous 2 years correct?
Just wanted to make sure because I think the example given of Dubois should be 7.8m a year instead of the 6m for RFAs in contraction draft.
You are correct we are using last 2 years and basing on highest value. However, I just double checked and think Dubios is still at 6m.
I think your 7.8m is coming from only available players currently as FA so don't forget to select all players available. Easy to overlook default is set to available only.
2018-19 he was ranked 34th overall C >> 6m
2019-20 he was ranked 36th overall C >> 5.7m
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You are correct we are using last 2 years and basing on highest value. However, I just double checked and think Dubios is still at 6m.
I think your 7.8m is coming from only available players currently as FA so don't forget to select all players available. Easy to overlook default is set to available only.
2018-19 he was ranked 34th overall C >> 6m
2019-20 he was ranked 36th overall C >> 5.7m
Totally correct. My bad.
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Another question, I apologize, could someone explain the mechanics of bidding on 0-30 games played players in FA. I understand how to bid, but what exactly is a rookie contract?
In DNHL it would be once a player goes over the draft eligible limit, so in this case 31 games and then you'd have them for the year they went over and the next on the $0.5m contract. After which they would be a RFA.
Does it work the same here?
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Another question, I apologize, could someone explain the mechanics of bidding on 0-30 games played players in FA. I understand how to bid, but what exactly is a rookie contract?
In DNHL it would be once a player goes over the draft eligible limit, so in this case 31 games and then you'd have them for the year they went over and the next on the $0.5m contract. After which they would be a RFA.
Does it work the same here?
yes if you pick him in the contraction draft he follows the prospect contract rules. if you win him in FA his contract still follows the prospect contract but the amount over that in the bid is signing bonus and comes off your cap. the bid would be PC + signing bonus = total bid
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Another question, I apologize, could someone explain the mechanics of bidding on 0-30 games played players in FA. I understand how to bid, but what exactly is a rookie contract?
In DNHL it would be once a player goes over the draft eligible limit, so in this case 31 games and then you'd have them for the year they went over and the next on the $0.5m contract. After which they would be a RFA.
Does it work the same here?
i was wrong with my other reply with the C draft. the contract he has is what you keep with him but Ill have to read the rules better first but the FA part was correct
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Another question, I apologize, could someone explain the mechanics of bidding on 0-30 games played players in FA. I understand how to bid, but what exactly is a rookie contract?
In DNHL it would be once a player goes over the draft eligible limit, so in this case 31 games and then you'd have them for the year they went over and the next on the $0.5m contract. After which they would be a RFA.
Does it work the same here?
i was wrong with my other reply with the C draft. the contract he has is what you keep with him but Ill have to read the rules better first but the FA part was correct
Right any guys who fit the minors eligibility 0-30 games being taken in this draft now are going based on real contract still. We already had an example with Oettinger:
G Jake Oettinger, $0.9m (2021-2022) [RFA]
Once remaining guys FA:
They follow bidding structure mentioned where you use your cap space as signing bonus and they hit minors at a min contract ($0.5m). Contract would kick into effect the season they hit 31 games and become RFA in 2 years like a normal rookie contract at this point.
Also Here is what we have in rules:
How to Bid on Rookie Players:
- Bidding will be done in the form of a base Rookie Contract (RC) plus a signing bonus
- Signing bonus will count against your cap, and will be able to be split over 2 years
- Remember that RC's are not allowed on NHL Rosters if the player isn't actually in the NHL; This in effect negates the need for people to bid on a RC eligible player under normal FA terms, as they wouldn't be eligible for the NHL Roster
- Upon winning a RC player, their contract will look like: D Joe Schmoe, $0.5m (R)
Examples of how to bid on RC Players:
D - Lumbering Pylon - TOR
RC
G - Stone Woll - MTL
RC + $4m
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What happens when a player goes on waiver and half of his salary is paid by another team. If the player is claimed what happens to the 50% paid by the team involved in the previous trade and we based the 80%/20% on his full salary or only on 50%.
Hope this is clear
or if I want to buy out Kase (2.6M) with 1.3M given by Boston in the trade how much it will cost me?
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What happens when a player goes on waiver and half of his salary is paid by another team. If the player is claimed what happens to the 50% paid by the team involved in the previous trade and we based the 80%/20% on his full salary or only on 50%.
Hope this is clear
or if I want to buy out Kase (2.6M) with 1.3M given by Boston in the trade how much it will cost me?
I think I found my answer. The 1.3M is not really attached to Kase. It is only a 1.3M extra money added to my cap space so I don't have to consider it in buyout or waiver
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In Free Agency is there a rule regarding the maximum number of concurrent bids a GM may have?
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I think I found my answer. The 1.3M is not really attached to Kase. It is only a 1.3M extra money added to my cap space so I don't have to consider it in buyout or waiver
Just sent a PM about this but figure I'll share what I am thinking so everyone can see.
Money paid is separate so when doing buyout only consider the original total contract.
In this case what I see you have posted is correct at $0.9m cost rounded.
It's not in rules regarding these cases, but here is an idea that comes to mind that I think would be fair for everyone and can have updated in rules.
Scenario 1: If a player has salary paid over the total buyout cost then the buyout is free but no additional cap saving. So you save the 1.3m on Kase here but not an additional 0.4m (since you were on the book for net salary of only 1.3m to begin with)
Scenario 2: If a player has less money paid than total buyout then only the additional difference is what has to be paid.
Given our setup thinking this is a fair option for everyone but would be open to other input before I finalize decision.
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In Free Agency is there a rule regarding the maximum number of concurrent bids a GM may have?
This is a rule that I am personally indifferent about but I think 5 is a number a lot of leagues use (I rarely have money for 5+ guys). As it is written don't see anything and I think we can keep as is with no limit.
The caveat is that team must always have cap space for all bids, so while a bid is active that money is tied up.
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Also in regards to free agency when it comes to rookie bidding. Is a signing bonus required or can a GM open the bidding with a straight "RC" bid?
Also, can a GMs bids exceed the number of roster spots they have remaining? I know we can't exceed cap, but it would be nice to bid with the expectation to drop a player upon winning that bid in lieu of having to drop someone in advance and then risk losing the bid.
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Also in regards to free agency when it comes to rookie bidding. Is a signing bonus required or can a GM open the bidding with a straight "RC" bid?
Also, can a GMs bids exceed the number of roster spots they have remaining? I know we can't exceed cap, but it would be nice to bid with the expectation to drop a player upon winning that bid in lieu of having to drop someone in advance and then risk losing the bid.
Regular RC bid with no bonus is totally legal.
Also zero issue on bidding over roster spots. Cap is the constraints but if you exceed roster limit you simply need to make room upon winning bid.
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Regular RC bid with no bonus is totally legal.
Also zero issue on bidding over roster spots. Cap is the constraints but if you exceed roster limit you simply need to make room upon winning bid.
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Just sent a PM about this but figure I'll share what I am thinking so everyone can see.
Money paid is separate so when doing buyout only consider the original total contract.
In this case what I see you have posted is correct at $0.9m cost rounded.
It's not in rules regarding these cases, but here is an idea that comes to mind that I think would be fair for everyone and can have updated in rules.
Scenario 1: If a player has salary paid over the total buyout cost then the buyout is free but no additional cap saving. So you save the 1.3m on Kase here but not an additional 0.4m (since you were on the book for net salary of only 1.3m to begin with)
Scenario 2: If a player has less money paid than total buyout then only the additional difference is what has to be paid.
Given our setup thinking this is a fair option for everyone but would be open to other input before I finalize decision.
Discussing and giving this more though, I think a better (and simpler) approach is to role with numbers as they are.
Players over 26 require 66% buyout so won't really be savings in majority of cases plus multi years will overcomplicated things and no need to make it more complex than it is.
Barring objections, update decision on buyouts for players with salaries paid is keep this cap saving and buyout is simply total cap hit for a age group against full salary.
In a rare case such as 50% paid and under 26 a small savings might be applied but overall I don't really have an issue with this.
So Kase buyout leads to a net $0.4m saving but most cases will still result in a cap hit.
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Next year we should limit number of bids to the number of open roster space we have (NHL/ Minor).
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Next year we should limit number of bids to the number of open roster space we have (NHL/ Minor).
Pourquoi?
a) There is never a guarantee GM will win all bid we place
b) The league is set up where bids are non guaranteed
c) Drops and buyout are easy to do to create roster space
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Next year we should limit number of bids to the number of open roster space we have (NHL/ Minor).
regardless of open roster spot on our team its GM jobs to manage it, But i agree on limiting the active bids maybe 5, coz the thread is very crowded :rool: :P , and also i dont agree on the rule of rescinding FA bid, the team that rescinds a bid or dont want to sign a player he won, he should be slap a 90% if not 100% of the players contract as punishment of careless bidding.
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In response:
I'm not sure how how we work things around these part but do we always change written rules when some do not like what is written? I am all for peoples ideas but rule is rules are they not?
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In response:
I'm not sure how how we work things around these part but do we always change written rules when some do not like what is written? I am all for peoples ideas but rule is rules are they not?
We know that it is too late this year to change the rule but like in real-life a league always revises or eliminates rules in the best interest of the league. Personally I have not fun (not because I am short in cap space) this year with all bids flying all over the place (understandable however this year because of all contracted players available and $ available for some teams) but I think we should consider NEXT year to return to a 5 bid max on the board at the same time and possibly introduce a penalty if the winning bidder returns a player to the FA pool (MIGHT happen this year with all the numerous players bidded by same GMs this year).
... and there are still some GMs with a lot of money not involved in the bidding war YET.
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Question
If I bid on a RC player will the RC (0.5) immediately be included in the cap or only when he will be promote on the NHL roster? If it is RC+0.5 the extra +0.5 will count immediately against the cap?
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We know that it is too late this year to change the rule but like in real-life a league always revises or eliminates rules in the best interest of the league. Personally I have not fun (not because I am short in cap space) this year with all bids flying all over the place (understandable however this year because of all contracted players available and $ available for some teams) but I think we should consider NEXT year to return to a 5 bid max on the board at the same time and possibly introduce a penalty if the winning bidder returns a player to the FA pool (MIGHT happen this year with all the numerous players bidded by same GMs this year).
... and there are still some GMs with a lot of money not involved in the bidding war YET.
I wouldn't be opposed to a change. Both methods have their flaws, though. No max bids makes for a messy session with potential invalid bids that get missed and forces GM's to either get in at the start or miss out.
Maxing bids extends the session, is a bit more clean and easy to manage, but it also can lead to more contention - as GM's are waiting for bids to finish to create more bids, they're prone to jump into another bid thread late in the game. There are protections for this in PDH rules, but if we did max out the bids those protections may need to go away, or be revised to some extent.
Six of one, half dozen of the other... But if there is to be a change it definitely shouldn't take effect until next year. That much is obvious.
This really won't be as big of a deal next season - the first FA session was always going to be a clusterf**k either way.
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Question
If I bid on a RC player will the RC (0.5) immediately be included in the cap or only when he will be promote on the NHL roster? If it is RC+0.5 the extra +0.5 will count immediately against the cap?
RC with zero bonus are no cap hit if you send straight to minors.
If this player is called up then yes the cap hit applies. Any signing bonus is always a cap hit regardless if player goes to minors.
In terms of bonus, I just reread things and technically we have it set up so you can split the signing bonus over 2 years with no restrictions, so similar to buyout. If you do a big RC + 10m can technically differ all 10m to next year as cap hit. This actually means a team like me with zero cap now can still bid with bonus money.
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Regarding discussion limiting bids for spots available or a fixed number etc...
Definitely not going to change this year and I agree year 1 is just a mess with the amount of talent still left and certain teams have lots of spots and cap space. We should not really have this issue going forward but I do understand how it is a pain right now.
I will consider what has been suggested and happy to hear more feedback but either way no decision on this change, if any, will be made for time being.
For what it's worth, right now only change I think I would like to see is regarding cleaning up RFA rule due to inconsistencies in initial set up and this would technically happen immediately. I will have this proposal and list of players that change per a team later today or tomorrow.
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Clarification about length/$$$
Any bid between ( total) 4 to 5.9 requires a three year contract at 2M/yr each not 2 year contract I think (see Gusev, Suter should be a 3 year @ 2M
Based on rules
Salary Per Year - Max Years
$6.0m or more - 5 years
$4.0m to $5.9m - 4 years
$2.0m to $3.9m - 3 years
$0.5m to $1.9m - 2 years
Am I right?
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Clarification about length/$$$
Any bid between ( total) 4 to 5.9 requires a three year contract at 2M/yr each not 2 year contract I think (see Gusev, Suter should be a 3 year @ 2M
Based on rules
Salary Per Year - Max Years
$6.0m or more - 5 years
$4.0m to $5.9m - 4 years
$2.0m to $3.9m - 3 years
$0.5m to $1.9m - 2 years
Am I right?
no the rule is max years so you can do a 2M 2 year contract
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The same setup exists in DNHL. It's the extensions that include a minimum standard.
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Regarding IR and LTIR:
What's the rule on how players should be removed from IR/LTIR. If a player is healthy and playing, will mod's force the player from injured status? Or is the GM allowed to keep a healthy player in IR/LTIR indefinitely?
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Regarding IR and LTIR:
What's the rule on how players should be removed from IR/LTIR. If a player is healthy and playing, will mod's force the player from injured status? Or is the GM allowed to keep a healthy player in IR/LTIR indefinitely?
Good question, guess it is not stated but the most logical thing is everyone has to activate player when healthy within a reasonable time (thinking 3 or 4 days) and make necessary move if needed. Hoarding healthy guys on IR is not really fair though regular IR does always still require having cap space.
Will send PM about this so we are all on same page.
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Good question, guess it is not stated but the most logical thing is everyone has to activate player when healthy within a reasonable time (thinking 3 or 4 days) and make necessary move if needed. Hoarding healthy guys on IR is not really fair though regular IR does always still require having cap space.
Will send PM about this so we are all on same page.
With an unlimited IR we gotta enforce some reasonable timeframe. I do an annual audit in DNHL. Allowing members to leave healthy players there until the end of the year. Though that won't really work here with unlimited IR spots. There will be too much stashing.
I would say go for a 1 week limit (real time) or played 3 games, then the player must be activated.
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With an unlimited IR we gotta enforce some reasonable timeframe. I do an annual audit in DNHL. Allowing members to leave healthy players there until the end of the year. Though that won't really work here with unlimited IR spots. There will be too much stashing.
I would say go for a 1 week limit (real time) or played 3 games, then the player must be activated.
No real issue here. Went lower intially 3-4 days as a pfefered time, if at times team needs up to week or so to decide it's cool. I'm thinking even with a wierd season, I still can't see too posting crazy IR moves all the time to be an issue and odds are if you IR someone he still out multiple games, if not weeks.
If this doesnt work for whatever reason can change, but think we should be good.
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Can we promote a minor To occupy an IR spot and return him in minor when the IR player is back
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Can we promote a minor To occupy an IR spot and return him in minor when the IR player is back
Yes this is fine, just wondering if we need to enforce cap hit or not. By the current rules it says all IR players count for cap but I am leaning on allowing minors on IR with no cap hit. I was actually going to move Isaac Ratcliffe to IR for my minors just wasn't fully sold 1 way or another on cap and I got no cap if we are counting it.
Any other thoughts on this?
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No problem to count against the cap since most of our minors are 0.5k. We should be allowed to use minors to replace an NHL IR and return him after the IR is back. Should not count against the number of roster spots
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No problem to count against the cap since most of our minors are 0.5k. We should be allowed to use minors to replace an NHL IR and return him after the IR is back. Should not count against the number of roster spots
Oh I think my original response miss read your question, what I was referring to is an minor being injured and moving him to IR (this opens up minor spot only). I am fine to allow this but we will count the cap hit from minors to IR.
In terms of minor to replace NHL IR player, this is definitely allowed, same idea as signing a temporary FA and making a move to get back to 32 NHL players when IR player is back playing. Of course in this case you get NHL spot but the minor salary will always count, unless the NHL player is on LTIR then his cap space is used.
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Yes this is fine, just wondering if we need to enforce cap hit or not. By the current rules it says all IR players count for cap but I am leaning on allowing minors on IR with no cap hit. I was actually going to move Isaac Ratcliffe to IR for my minors just wasn't fully sold 1 way or another on cap and I got no cap if we are counting it.
Any other thoughts on this?
YES if he is promoted to the NHL even if he is on the ir count his cap hit per the rules
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I’d like to request to be added to the waiting list will take any team
Available would it be Contender or rebuild i’ll Be here for the long haul
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I’d like to request to be added to the waiting list will take any team
Available would it be Contender or rebuild i’ll Be here for the long haul
As discussed, at the moment have you 2nd in line should we have openings down the line.
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I?ll pass and stick with MLB and NBA Leagues I?m in
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Pls. Update the deadlines. Thanks :toth:
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Pls. Update the deadlines. Thanks :toth:
Will do, planning to have most things cleaned up and updated and send league PM by end of week.
Time flies, but we can definitely have things ready to start offseason this month. :thumbsup:
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This won't come up for a while - until prospect clocks start getting into the 2nd year, but will there be any indication on the roster page which (R) players require extending?
In DNHL all prospects are marked with a (P-n/a) contract which is effectively the same thing as we have here as (R). Then once they reach the threshold for games played, that contract gets updated. So, any players who reach threshold this season would have their contracts updated to (P-22/23) so that members know when the prospect contract expires and that they need to extend.
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This won't come up for a while - until prospect clocks start getting into the 2nd year, but will there be any indication on the roster page which (R) players require extending?
In DNHL all prospects are marked with a (P-n/a) contract which is effectively the same thing as we have here as (R). Then once they reach the threshold for games played, that contract gets updated. So, any players who reach threshold this season would have their contracts updated to (P-22/23) so that members know when the prospect contract expires and that they need to extend.
Thanks for reminding, putting it on my to do list. Highest priority is to clean up other moves and share full off season schedule and nice thing is we do still have plenty of time now, but will aim to get this update done soon as well.
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Hello, about RFA.
Some of my RFA players just got offered and accepted a contract, but already on a bid here on transaction. Almost at the same day.
Can i still match the real life contract? Or just wait to the final bid here and decide?.
Thanks.
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Hello, about RFA.
Some of my RFA players just got offered and accepted a contract, but already on a bid here on transaction. Almost at the same day.
Can i still match the real life contract? Or just wait to the final bid here and decide?.
Thanks.
Unfortunately the answer here is you now have to wait for final bid here and decide. I had to pick a cut off date and set up full offseason timeline, without really knowing how real life period and signings will play out.
This is our 1st go around at RFA here, so can see how it goes and make adjustments for next year if needed.
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Unfortunately the answer here is you now have to wait for final bid here and decide. I had to pick a cut off date and set up full offseason timeline, without really knowing how real life period and signings will play out.
This is our 1st go around at RFA here, so can see how it goes and make adjustments for next year if needed.
Ok, i'll just wait for better option.
Thanks. :toth:
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A couple questions on the RFA process
Lets say I have available to me just my normal amount of picks, one pick for each round the next 2 years, am I able to offer 2 players a contract in the
$4.3m to $6.3m = First Round & Third Round
$6.4m to $8.4m = First Round, Second Round, and Third Round tiers using my picks across both years or do I need all those picks in the upcoming year?
Seems not the best if it is 2 different teams for one of them to be compensated 2 years from now on a lost player, and how would we determine which team gets what year?
Second, for RFAs that nobody bids on does the original team get a chance to resign them after RFA using normal extension rules? I apologize if this has already been answered.
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A couple questions on the RFA process
Lets say I have available to me just my normal amount of picks, one pick for each round the next 2 years, am I able to offer 2 players a contract in the
$4.3m to $6.3m = First Round & Third Round
$6.4m to $8.4m = First Round, Second Round, and Third Round tiers using my picks across both years or do I need all those picks in the upcoming year?
Seems not the best if it is 2 different teams for one of them to be compensated 2 years from now on a lost player, and how would we determine which team gets what year?
Second, for RFAs that nobody bids on does the original team get a chance to resign them after RFA using normal extension rules? I apologize if this has already been answered.
The bolded text below is from the rules section. It just states you need to have the picks and that the other team gets to pick. It does say they can take your next years 1st if they would like so it appear to me that you just need to have picks available in the next two years.
As far as who gets what years pick I'm assuming whichever team decides to take the draft picks first would get first choice. Its not ideal but that would seem like the logical way to decide order.
From the Rules section:
You MUST have the necessary draft picks available in order to make ALL of your RFA bids
The owner of the RFA gets to choose ANY of your draft picks available
Example:
If you have three 1st round draft picks in the summer's draft, plus one 1st round draft pick in next year's draft, the owner of the RFA can choose any of your 3 picks in this year's draft, or choose to take next year's 1st round pick. The choice is theirs, not yours
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A couple questions on the RFA process
Lets say I have available to me just my normal amount of picks, one pick for each round the next 2 years, am I able to offer 2 players a contract in the
$4.3m to $6.3m = First Round & Third Round
$6.4m to $8.4m = First Round, Second Round, and Third Round tiers using my picks across both years or do I need all those picks in the upcoming year?
Seems not the best if it is 2 different teams for one of them to be compensated 2 years from now on a lost player, and how would we determine which team gets what year?
Second, for RFAs that nobody bids on does the original team get a chance to resign them after RFA using normal extension rules? I apologize if this has already been answered.
The bolded text below is from the rules section. It just states you need to have the picks and that the other team gets to pick. It does say they can take your next years 1st if they would like so it appear to me that you just need to have picks available in the next two years.
As far as who gets what years pick I'm assuming whichever team decides to take the draft picks first would get first choice. Its not ideal but that would seem like the logical way to decide order.
From the Rules section:
You MUST have the necessary draft picks available in order to make ALL of your RFA bids
The owner of the RFA gets to choose ANY of your draft picks available
Example:
If you have three 1st round draft picks in the summer's draft, plus one 1st round draft pick in next year's draft, the owner of the RFA can choose any of your 3 picks in this year's draft, or choose to take next year's 1st round pick. The choice is theirs, not yours
In terms of having picks and how they get awarded:
Pretty much as stated, the amount of picks you have per a compensation level is how many players you can peruse at any given time.
I agree it is not a perfect solution, but it will have to be 1st come 1st serve on specific picks. So, if a team responds 1st they get the picks of their choice and then 2nd team would have to settle for whatever is left (be it having a choice among remaining or forced to take the only options available) if they also choose not to match player.
In terms of 2nd question regarding what happens if RFA is not bid on:
It is currently not in rules but was also asked separately and I am on board to allow using normal extensions in this scenario. Tentatively below is what I am thinking and assuming no objections I will finalize and shoot a quick PM update and update rules/timeline over weekend:
With draft starting on August 23rd and regular FA starting August 30th, we will have a 1 week window where any RFAs not bid on can be extended via normal rules. This naturally means that we will close RFA on the 23rd but any bids posted prior can continue as normal until resolved.
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I'm about to buyout one of our league's biggest contract here, so I had a question about the mechanics of a buyout.
I see I can allocate the total buyout dollars for any amount across the length of the contract. My question is if I had spare money at the end of a year and want to pull the cap hit from a year down the road do I have to pull the full cap hit or can I pull partial?
Lets say I do an even 6.67m a year for 5 years, have some extra cash in year 1, can I pull 3m from the 2nd year? Or, does it have to be the whole 6.67m?
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I'm about to buyout one of our league's biggest contract here, so I had a question about the mechanics of a buyout.
I see I can allocate the total buyout dollars for any amount across the length of the contract. My question is if I had spare money at the end of a year and want to pull the cap hit from a year down the road do I have to pull the full cap hit or can I pull partial?
Lets say I do an even 6.67m a year for 5 years, have some extra cash in year 1, can I pull 3m from the 2nd year? Or, does it have to be the whole 6.67m?
You are welcome to relocate any amount of future money to a given year, i.e. does not need to be full amount. Currently have it set up where the very early and mostly ideal part of offseason is when some buyout rellocation took place this year and then we officially rolled over to 2021-22 books. It will remain similar so each offseason you will have a relocation window before roll over should it be something you want to take advantage of.