Title Town Header

Baseball Rosters :: Football Rosters :: Basketball Rosters :: Hockey Rosters :: Transactions :: Rules

:: :: ::
:: :: ::
:: :: ::
:: :: ::

Author Topic: Trading rules discussion  (Read 1028 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline blkhwkfn

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Apr 2015
  • Posts: 1945
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :OAK-NFL:
    • :CHI-NBA:
    • :CHI-NHL:
    • :Wisconsin:
    • :CHE:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2018, 04:43:41 PM »
Again, just speaking for hockey in my short time, but the standings were pretty bunched up for making playoffs.

The last 2 weeks of matchups made or broke some teams making and missing the playoffs.

2 teams had the same records as me and missed the playoffs, while I'm in the 4th seed right now.

I find that if teams aren't making playoffs, they're (hopefully) trying to get as many picks and prospects as they can to rebuild their teams up (ie. NYI franchise).
If you take that away from them with a trade deadline too far away from playoffs, they have literally zero reason to be on the hockey site until the summer for the draft and FA.
That's a long time to have off ... To lose interest in the hockey team all together and forget about it.

I don't really see it being an issue in the hockey league. If anything it benefits the few active hockey managers who are making trades - more so the ones who want to rebuild up their teams gaining the young assets.

Maybe it's a bigger issue in the other sports leagues here though. But there were what, 3 trades close to the deadline in NHL, and from what I've heard, those were the first 3 trades in a really long time in the hockey portion of this league too.
I agree with this. Look as I said in the Q&A section (not to be confused with T&A) NHL and MLB are similar as in player development and the NHL minor league (AHL) needs to be expanded to at least 25. In doing this you will add value to draft picks. Not only that but you can build sustained success through the draft picks you made. Other wise you will continue to wait 8 to 12 hours between picks because there is no room on the AHL roster to make a pick (Skipped picks or no shows). I agree there needs to be a deadline and a month before the end of the season sounds workable. For you MLB guys just think if you only had 10 spots in the minors..........just my 2 cents. getting pretty close to a dollar now
Can't we all just get along?
Rodney King

Offline Jonathan

  • League Moderator
  • Legend
  • ****
  • Join Date: Aug 2011
  • Posts: 20879
  • Bonus inPoints: 103
    • :PHI-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :CAR-NHL:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2018, 05:37:27 PM »
I agree with this. Look as I said in the Q&A section (not to be confused with T&A) NHL and MLB are similar as in player development and the NHL minor league (AHL) needs to be expanded to at least 25. In doing this you will add value to draft picks. Not only that but you can build sustained success through the draft picks you made. Other wise you will continue to wait 8 to 12 hours between picks because there is no room on the AHL roster to make a pick (Skipped picks or no shows). I agree there needs to be a deadline and a month before the end of the season sounds workable. For you MLB guys just think if you only had 10 spots in the minors..........just my 2 cents. getting pretty close to a dollar now

MLB is a little more complex than NHL. They're similar in that they both have development leagues that lead to the pro league, but is sheer numbers, its not really that close. I'd shoot for 15-20.

Offline blkhwkfn

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Apr 2015
  • Posts: 1945
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :OAK-NFL:
    • :CHI-NBA:
    • :CHI-NHL:
    • :Wisconsin:
    • :CHE:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2018, 06:01:45 PM »
MLB is a little more complex than NHL. They're similar in that they both have development leagues that lead to the pro league, but is sheer numbers, its not really that close. I'd shoot for 15-20.
Complex in number of positions I agree on that, I would be happy with 20. Still focused on the value of the draft picks and prospects influence on trades
Can't we all just get along?
Rodney King

Online WestCoastExpress

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Oct 2016
  • Posts: 1629
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :NE:
    • :TOR-NBA:
    • :VAN:
    • :Blank:
    • :Canada:
    • :TOR:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2018, 06:44:34 PM »
Minors needs to be expanded, especially because we can bid on prospects through FA throughout the season with the PC bids. Makes a big difference.

In that sense draft picks aren't AS valuable though, as the only new blood that comes in is the most recent draft class. Literally any other player could be bid on for a PC up until the deadline.

Don't get me wrong though - I like minors spots as much as the next guy.
But again look at the activity in here. It's not a FNHL or DNHL where everyone or 90% of the GM's are "in the know" for hockey. There might be 25% of the GM's that really know their stuff, maybe a few more, but those are the ones that are going to be hand picking and getting solid FA's through PC's. The draft, anyone can auto-draft a 1st round draftee or 2nd round for that matter (which would be a 1st round NHL'er in here) and get lucky. The real benefit and skill is finding those NCAA gems as they progress or overage CHL kids that develop late and bidding on them with PC's.

I think 15 would be plenty. It keeps the FA crop (PC crop that is) with at least some talent left. I would LOVE to have 30, but you also have to make some hard decisions at some point. You can't just hold onto 30 guys and hope that 10 of them turn into studs.

To increase the value of draft picks....
Jon already mentioned it to me, but we should be allowing any players with 0 NHL games played to be drafted in the draft. Not just the 2018 draft class. That right there would increase the value of draft picks a ton.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 06:50:51 PM by WestCoastExpress »

Offline chrisetc21

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2013
  • Posts: 15398
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2018, 02:56:36 AM »
I agree the hockey minors should be expanded.  Going from 10 to 30 might be a bit much, 20 might be a better fit,
:BOS: 2014 World Series Champion - Title Town
:HOU: 2014 World Series Champion - American Baseball Legion
:GS: 2014-2015 NBA Finals Champion - Free Market Kings
:HOU: 2015 World Series Champion - American Baseball Legion
:HOU: 2017 World Series Champion - American Baseball Legion
:HOU: 2017 World Series Champion - Armchair Fantasy Baseball
:HOU-NFL: 2017 Super Bowl Champion - The Gridiron Franchise
:HOU-NBA3: 2017-2018 NBA Finals Champion - Title Town
:HOU: 2018 World Series Champion - Armchair Fantasy Baseball
:HOU: 2018 World Series Champion - Title Town
:HOU-NFL3: 2018 Super Bowl Champion -Title Town
*Specal thanks to all my imaginary fake accounts*

Offline Anthony

  • League Moderator
  • Legend
  • ****
  • Join Date: Feb 2011
  • Posts: 8462
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :CHI:
    • :CHI-NBA:
    • :CHI-NHL:
    • :Minnesota:
    • :CHC:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2018, 02:46:21 PM »
My take on this league is that I want to keep everything as simple as possible. Being a 4 sport with contracts, it's already pretty complex enough. Hockey is clearly the least known of the sports so I don't want to make it more complicated, and I think that the more minor roster spots, the more complex it becomes. This favors owners who know more about hockey.

With that being said, with contraction, there's more prospects in the pool now. I would support a slight uptick in NHL minor leaguers. No more than 20 though, with my preference being 15.
:win: Title Town 2011/12 Stanley Cup Champion

:win: Dynasty NHL 2012/13 Stanley Cup Champion

Offline blkhwkfn

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Apr 2015
  • Posts: 1945
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :OAK-NFL:
    • :CHI-NBA:
    • :CHI-NHL:
    • :Wisconsin:
    • :CHE:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2018, 06:40:25 PM »
My take on this league is that I want to keep everything as simple as possible. Being a 4 sport with contracts, it's already pretty complex enough. Hockey is clearly the least known of the sports so I don't want to make it more complicated, and I think that the more minor roster spots, the more complex it becomes. This favors owners who know more about hockey.

With that being said, with contraction, there's more prospects in the pool now. I would support a slight uptick in NHL minor leaguers. No more than 20 though, with my preference being 15.
HA I feel like that about MLB but I am willing to learn LMAO. I would be ecstatic with 20 spots
Can't we all just get along?
Rodney King

Online WestCoastExpress

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Oct 2016
  • Posts: 1629
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :NE:
    • :TOR-NBA:
    • :VAN:
    • :Blank:
    • :Canada:
    • :TOR:
    • View Profile
Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2018, 06:52:22 PM »
Hockey is clearly the least known of the sports so I don't want to make it more complicated, and I think that the more minor roster spots, the more complex it becomes. This favors owners who know more about hockey.

With that being said, with contraction, there's more prospects in the pool now. I would support a slight uptick in NHL minor leaguers. No more than 20 though, with my preference being 15.

I think 15 would be good for this coming year, maybe moving to 20 for the 2019-20 season.

Not sure what's going on with the whole contraction thing too - 4 teams were dropped, correct? Not sure what ones those are anymore, as the original post said Toronto was one of them.

Also as a note, yes, some of the GM's don't know hockey that well or it's the 4th out of the 4 sports that we do... But someone like me or blkhwkfn who know hockey quite well, probably don't know the other sports as well.
I'm half decent now at baseball and basketball due to being in leagues on this site the past little while, but football I know zero about, outside of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, and the rest of the big names. I couldn't even tell you the #1 prospect or whatever from the NCAA.

But to be fair, the only reason I found out about baseball and basketball prospects is this thing called Google. Baseball America top-100 prospects is what I went of for Baseball, and I think just the summaries on the drafted players on the NBA website following the draft (like who they compare to in the NBA, what their strengths and weaknesses are). It's not rocket science with Google to find out prospects in sports.

For hockey, I know the players a bit more with World Juniors, and CHL hockey on TV. I imagine it's the same for you guys down south with NCAA football on TV all day every day, NCAA basketball is huge too, and maybe even college baseball on TV to a lesser extent (or major extent, who knows). In Canada it's all hockey hockey hockey.

Anyways, got a bit off topic.

Point is, just because hockey is the least known across the board for the most part, doesn't mean the minors or rules should be adjusted. That's why it's a 4-sport league, right? Everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses!

And there's zero chance you get me in this league outside of hockey. Way too much time it looks like trying to run 4 teams!

 

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • kidd5jersey: We cannot pause FA because the pitchers and catchers report in a month and if we want a season then we have to do free agency
    Today at 09:15:53 AM
  • kidd5jersey: You guys let me know what you think but these are problems in the league right now
    Today at 09:16:25 AM
  • RyanJames5: I agree Kidd. Someone has to be able to dedicate time to keep the draft moving and organized.  It's a time consuming job
    Today at 09:16:46 AM
  • indiansnation: Brent pm
    Today at 09:16:47 AM
  • indiansnation: Kidd pm
    Today at 09:16:52 AM
  • kidd5jersey: I would but I don't have access to update
    Today at 09:18:21 AM
  • indiansnation: What access do u need
    Today at 09:19:37 AM
  • indiansnation: My job makes it complicated to be able to keep draft going steady I work 1 to 10pm.
    Today at 09:21:06 AM
  • indiansnation: So my whole day is shot.
    Today at 09:21:25 AM
  • kidd5jersey: Allow me to do the updates on draft to where I can edit Chris' posts.  I have to be able to mark players off and add the drafted players to sheets
    Today at 09:21:50 AM
  • Brent: Brian, list sent
    Today at 09:23:28 AM
  • indiansnation: That is fair Brent
    Today at 09:25:10 AM
  • indiansnation: Might take a day or 2 to,update this
    Today at 09:25:56 AM
  • indiansnation: Kidd pm and Brent pm
    Today at 09:27:52 AM
  • indiansnation: Going to send u second pm Brent in second
    Today at 09:33:29 AM
  • RyanJames5: I'm kind of late with the idea, but rather than releasing everyone on Houston that will not be kept on the roster to Free Agency, what if we held a 1 round draft for all of those players?
    Today at 10:03:35 AM
  • RyanJames5: Just thinking it's such a huge influx of talent that, just by luck, whoever has the most cap space to accumulate a ton of.
    Today at 10:04:12 AM
  • kidd5jersey: That is an interesting idea Ryan.  There is a website draftlottery.com I believe that we can have it generate picks.
    Today at 10:33:06 AM
  • kidd5jersey: I'm not sure there is a good option for this though.  We'll sift through it.
    Today at 10:33:43 AM
  • RyanJames5: It could always be in reverse order of finsh last year.
    Today at 10:39:34 AM
  • RyanJames5: I do agree, certainly no handbook on how to handle a situation like that, I was just trying to think of a way to attempt to evenly distribute talent, rather than just let the team with 80 or 90M in cap space sign everyone
    Today at 10:40:25 AM
  • indiansnation: Kidd 1st pm
    Today at 10:42:51 AM
  • indiansnation: Kudd 2nd pm
    Today at 10:49:44 AM
  • indiansnation: Kidd 2nd pm
    Today at 10:49:51 AM
  • indiansnation: Brent pm
    Today at 10:53:41 AM
  • indiansnation: Brent u know added to fantrax as Houston astros
    Today at 10:59:39 AM
  • indiansnation: Just got to wait a little but to update spreedsheets
    Today at 11:00:10 AM
  • kidd5jersey: I agree Ryan.  The team with $100M will literally sign everyone.
    Today at 11:09:55 AM
  • RyanJames5: Yep, its too much talent to not try to find a way to evenly distribute.
    Today at 11:50:53 AM
  • Brent: Agreed.  Just do a random draft order for all teams and hold a 2 round draft for the MLB and MiLB talent that would be released into the talent pool.
    Today at 11:59:35 AM
  • Daddy: :STL-NFL: v. :NO: its coming
    Today at 12:21:15 PM
  • kidd5jersey: How are we going to do the drafting of it?  Are all managers aware?
    Today at 12:26:03 PM
  • Brent: It wouldn't be too difficult.  Stip out those players and list them out w/contracts for the MLB players.  Run a random generated draft order.  Post both of those lists, draft order and available players.  Advertise it, and then hold the draft.  Whoever doesn't get drafted in 2 rounds (60 players) goes into the FA pool.
    Today at 12:29:55 PM
  • kidd5jersey: Sounds legit.  Brian, get with Cris and see if that is what the best option is.  In that scenarios, guys like Elias Diaz should go back into the draft.
    Today at 12:38:21 PM
  • Brent: Yeah, anyone who was on the original roster outside of the few players kept.
    Today at 12:43:39 PM
  • RyanJames5: Good call.  2 rounds is probably more accurate.
    Today at 12:45:19 PM
  • indiansnation: I'm getting ready for work.
    Today at 12:47:18 PM
  • indiansnation: Can someone send Ldsjay hawks a pm
    Today at 12:47:42 PM
  • indiansnation: See what he thinks.
    Today at 12:47:55 PM
  • Yeagg: Great idea Brent!!
    Today at 01:17:50 PM
  • Yeagg: It should really be done before this weekend is over though, since FA is about to get a lot crazier after Catchers are signed
    Today at 01:20:19 PM
  • kidd5jersey: I will try to get it set up tonight if possible.  How should we assign the picks?
    Today at 01:51:14 PM
  • Yeagg: Either a randomized generator or league standings
    Today at 02:04:56 PM
  • Brent: random generator
    Today at 02:26:43 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: so we are talking about restoring the Houston roster and allowing all teams to draft two players each?
    Today at 02:37:45 PM
  • Brent: No, I'm replying to your PM now.
    Today at 02:50:28 PM
  • kidd5jersey: I will get to this stuff but I am fixing the Amateur Draft first.  Should be done today.
    Today at 02:57:50 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: 2 more PMs
    Today at 03:40:49 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: to all three of you
    Today at 03:40:58 PM
  • Thecliff: :toth: Extra work for experience  :beer:
    Today at 03:50:34 PM