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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2018, 04:43:41 PM »
Again, just speaking for hockey in my short time, but the standings were pretty bunched up for making playoffs.

The last 2 weeks of matchups made or broke some teams making and missing the playoffs.

2 teams had the same records as me and missed the playoffs, while I'm in the 4th seed right now.

I find that if teams aren't making playoffs, they're (hopefully) trying to get as many picks and prospects as they can to rebuild their teams up (ie. NYI franchise).
If you take that away from them with a trade deadline too far away from playoffs, they have literally zero reason to be on the hockey site until the summer for the draft and FA.
That's a long time to have off ... To lose interest in the hockey team all together and forget about it.

I don't really see it being an issue in the hockey league. If anything it benefits the few active hockey managers who are making trades - more so the ones who want to rebuild up their teams gaining the young assets.

Maybe it's a bigger issue in the other sports leagues here though. But there were what, 3 trades close to the deadline in NHL, and from what I've heard, those were the first 3 trades in a really long time in the hockey portion of this league too.
I agree with this. Look as I said in the Q&A section (not to be confused with T&A) NHL and MLB are similar as in player development and the NHL minor league (AHL) needs to be expanded to at least 25. In doing this you will add value to draft picks. Not only that but you can build sustained success through the draft picks you made. Other wise you will continue to wait 8 to 12 hours between picks because there is no room on the AHL roster to make a pick (Skipped picks or no shows). I agree there needs to be a deadline and a month before the end of the season sounds workable. For you MLB guys just think if you only had 10 spots in the minors..........just my 2 cents. getting pretty close to a dollar now
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2018, 05:37:27 PM »
I agree with this. Look as I said in the Q&A section (not to be confused with T&A) NHL and MLB are similar as in player development and the NHL minor league (AHL) needs to be expanded to at least 25. In doing this you will add value to draft picks. Not only that but you can build sustained success through the draft picks you made. Other wise you will continue to wait 8 to 12 hours between picks because there is no room on the AHL roster to make a pick (Skipped picks or no shows). I agree there needs to be a deadline and a month before the end of the season sounds workable. For you MLB guys just think if you only had 10 spots in the minors..........just my 2 cents. getting pretty close to a dollar now

MLB is a little more complex than NHL. They're similar in that they both have development leagues that lead to the pro league, but is sheer numbers, its not really that close. I'd shoot for 15-20.

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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2018, 06:01:45 PM »
MLB is a little more complex than NHL. They're similar in that they both have development leagues that lead to the pro league, but is sheer numbers, its not really that close. I'd shoot for 15-20.
Complex in number of positions I agree on that, I would be happy with 20. Still focused on the value of the draft picks and prospects influence on trades
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2018, 06:44:34 PM »
Minors needs to be expanded, especially because we can bid on prospects through FA throughout the season with the PC bids. Makes a big difference.

In that sense draft picks aren't AS valuable though, as the only new blood that comes in is the most recent draft class. Literally any other player could be bid on for a PC up until the deadline.

Don't get me wrong though - I like minors spots as much as the next guy.
But again look at the activity in here. It's not a FNHL or DNHL where everyone or 90% of the GM's are "in the know" for hockey. There might be 25% of the GM's that really know their stuff, maybe a few more, but those are the ones that are going to be hand picking and getting solid FA's through PC's. The draft, anyone can auto-draft a 1st round draftee or 2nd round for that matter (which would be a 1st round NHL'er in here) and get lucky. The real benefit and skill is finding those NCAA gems as they progress or overage CHL kids that develop late and bidding on them with PC's.

I think 15 would be plenty. It keeps the FA crop (PC crop that is) with at least some talent left. I would LOVE to have 30, but you also have to make some hard decisions at some point. You can't just hold onto 30 guys and hope that 10 of them turn into studs.

To increase the value of draft picks....
Jon already mentioned it to me, but we should be allowing any players with 0 NHL games played to be drafted in the draft. Not just the 2018 draft class. That right there would increase the value of draft picks a ton.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2018, 02:56:36 AM »
I agree the hockey minors should be expanded.  Going from 10 to 30 might be a bit much, 20 might be a better fit,
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2018, 02:46:21 PM »
My take on this league is that I want to keep everything as simple as possible. Being a 4 sport with contracts, it's already pretty complex enough. Hockey is clearly the least known of the sports so I don't want to make it more complicated, and I think that the more minor roster spots, the more complex it becomes. This favors owners who know more about hockey.

With that being said, with contraction, there's more prospects in the pool now. I would support a slight uptick in NHL minor leaguers. No more than 20 though, with my preference being 15.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2018, 06:40:25 PM »
My take on this league is that I want to keep everything as simple as possible. Being a 4 sport with contracts, it's already pretty complex enough. Hockey is clearly the least known of the sports so I don't want to make it more complicated, and I think that the more minor roster spots, the more complex it becomes. This favors owners who know more about hockey.

With that being said, with contraction, there's more prospects in the pool now. I would support a slight uptick in NHL minor leaguers. No more than 20 though, with my preference being 15.
HA I feel like that about MLB but I am willing to learn LMAO. I would be ecstatic with 20 spots
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2018, 06:52:22 PM »
Hockey is clearly the least known of the sports so I don't want to make it more complicated, and I think that the more minor roster spots, the more complex it becomes. This favors owners who know more about hockey.

With that being said, with contraction, there's more prospects in the pool now. I would support a slight uptick in NHL minor leaguers. No more than 20 though, with my preference being 15.

I think 15 would be good for this coming year, maybe moving to 20 for the 2019-20 season.

Not sure what's going on with the whole contraction thing too - 4 teams were dropped, correct? Not sure what ones those are anymore, as the original post said Toronto was one of them.

Also as a note, yes, some of the GM's don't know hockey that well or it's the 4th out of the 4 sports that we do... But someone like me or blkhwkfn who know hockey quite well, probably don't know the other sports as well.
I'm half decent now at baseball and basketball due to being in leagues on this site the past little while, but football I know zero about, outside of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, and the rest of the big names. I couldn't even tell you the #1 prospect or whatever from the NCAA.

But to be fair, the only reason I found out about baseball and basketball prospects is this thing called Google. Baseball America top-100 prospects is what I went of for Baseball, and I think just the summaries on the drafted players on the NBA website following the draft (like who they compare to in the NBA, what their strengths and weaknesses are). It's not rocket science with Google to find out prospects in sports.

For hockey, I know the players a bit more with World Juniors, and CHL hockey on TV. I imagine it's the same for you guys down south with NCAA football on TV all day every day, NCAA basketball is huge too, and maybe even college baseball on TV to a lesser extent (or major extent, who knows). In Canada it's all hockey hockey hockey.

Anyways, got a bit off topic.

Point is, just because hockey is the least known across the board for the most part, doesn't mean the minors or rules should be adjusted. That's why it's a 4-sport league, right? Everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses!

And there's zero chance you get me in this league outside of hockey. Way too much time it looks like trying to run 4 teams!

 

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