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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2018, 03:52:33 PM »
I think when you've been in the league a long time, your not voting is just indicative of an approval.  So as long as there's enough time for everyone to see a trade posted, it should just pass unless it has vetoes.  72 hours is plenty of time.  Also, a reminder to people when trades are posted via PM is also a good policy.

I'm new here, but not new to trading and vetoes and such.

Realistically, if a trade is bad bad bad, there will be a lot of people that chime in about it.
As Chrisetc said, not voting can often be a sign of approval. If something stands out that we don't like, we'll take the time to say what's on our mind. If it's okay, we couldn't be bothered. From what I've seen on here, when a veto goes down, pretty well all of the other GM's are in agreement that the deal needs to be re-worked. If the trade is ok, sometimes only half or less of the TC actually replies with an approval.

If everyone were active, I would say half of the remaining GM's would have to veto it for it to be a vetoed trade. So in this league's case, 7 of the remaining 14 GM's would have to veto (taking out the 2 GMs making the trade of course).
That said, it seems this league isn't overly active on the voting on trades front (from my short 1-week stint here, with the 4 trades sitting on the board).

So with that said, I'm kind of with blkhwkfn in the sense of thinking bigger picture:

(1) Out of all the votes cast on a trade, majority rules. With the caveat that a tie goes to a veto.
Only problem here is that as mentioned, some people who are indifferent or think a trade is fine, sometimes just don't vote.

(2) Or a set number of of the league (a third) would have to veto. So 5 out of the 14 GM's.
2 people, or even 3 for that matter, having an issue with a trade seems like a low number.
It should be a significant portion of the league.


Perhaps a 48 hour window though instead of 24 hours, as we're all in different time zones and have varying busy schedules. 1 day could be tight, sometime I'm not on here for 20-hours at a time and I'm sure I'm not the only one... But 2 full days is plenty of time.
*And that 48-hour clock starts when one of the league mod's sends a PM out to everyone in the league that there's a trade that needs to be looked at on on the Transactions board.
(Mod could easily change the title of the thread stating expiry date/time also, so it's clear).

At the end of the day, there's really no "correct" formula in free fantasy leagues for how trades should be judged, and accepted or vetoed.

We do have to remember that it's free fantasy we're talking about here too. This isn't life or death, and we're not messing with athletes' actual lives and families here.

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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2018, 04:01:15 PM »
I'm new here, but not new to trading and vetoes and such.

Realistically, if a trade is bad bad bad, there will be a lot of people that chime in about it.
As Chrisetc said, not voting can often be a sign of approval. If something stands out that we don't like, we'll take the time to say what's on our mind. If it's okay, we couldn't be bothered. From what I've seen on here, when a veto goes down, pretty well all of the other GM's are in agreement that the deal needs to be re-worked. If the trade is ok, sometimes only half or less of the TC actually replies with an approval.

If everyone were active, I would say half of the remaining GM's would have to veto it for it to be a vetoed trade. So in this league's case, 7 of the remaining 14 GM's would have to veto (taking out the 2 GMs making the trade of course).
That said, it seems this league isn't overly active on the voting on trades front (from my short 1-week stint here, with the 4 trades sitting on the board).

So with that said, I'm kind of with blkhwkfn in the sense of thinking bigger picture:

(1) Out of all the votes cast on a trade, majority rules. With the caveat that a tie goes to a veto.
Only problem here is that as mentioned, some people who are indifferent or think a trade is fine, sometimes just don't vote.

(2) Or a set number of of the league (a third) would have to veto. So 5 out of the 14 GM's.
2 people, or even 3 for that matter, having an issue with a trade seems like a low number.
It should be a significant portion of the league.


Perhaps a 48 hour window though instead of 24 hours, as we're all in different time zones and have varying busy schedules. 1 day could be tight, sometime I'm not on here for 20-hours at a time and I'm sure I'm not the only one... But 2 full days is plenty of time.
*And that 48-hour clock starts when one of the league mod's sends a PM out to everyone in the league that there's a trade that needs to be looked at on on the Transactions board.
(Mod could easily change the title of the thread stating expiry date/time also, so it's clear).

At the end of the day, there's really no "correct" formula in free fantasy leagues for how trades should be judged, and accepted or vetoed.

We do have to remember that it's free fantasy we're talking about here too. This isn't life or death, and we're not messing with athletes' actual lives and families here.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2018, 11:38:36 PM »
48 hours in season seems the right way to go. 

Seems like a small group (4-5) are actually voting. I'm not quite sure why its all the new GM's voting and none of the guys who have been around. Seems like it should be the other way around.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2018, 07:42:24 AM »
48 hours in season seems the right way to go. 

Seems like a small group (4-5) are actually voting. I'm not quite sure why its all the new GM's voting and none of the guys who have been around. Seems like it should be the other way around.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2018, 07:31:23 PM »
Good discussion going. We will move forward with making a change after baseball free agency is finished. It's been a rush getting that going over the last few weeks so when it's done, I want to use that down time to make any rule/procedural changes.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2018, 08:20:16 PM »
I think one thing is clear to me in that we need a trade deadline before the end of the regular season.  Perhaps two weeks before the end.  Teams loading up with players right at the end of the entire season is always something that has seemed like an odd way to do things.  The season should matter, not just have these huge deals happen right at the end that change the balance of the season.
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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2018, 08:29:20 PM »
I think one thing is clear to me in that we need a trade deadline before the end of the regular season.  Perhaps two weeks before the end.  Teams loading up with players right at the end of the entire season is always something that has seemed like an odd way to do things.  The season should matter, not just have these huge deals happen right at the end that change the balance of the season.

While I somewhat agree, but also kind of like that the deadline is right up until the playoffs.
Allows more teams to really figure out if they're buyers or sellers, which generally gets more trades going.

If more teams are "in the hunt" for playoffs, and the trade deadline is too early, then no one's going to make moves.
As it is there weren't really many trades, which leads me to believe that trade deadline right before playoffs is actually quite fine.

If teams want to sell young players and prospects for veterans before the playoffs, I see no reason to stop them. Getting an extra guy or two isn't going to necessarily make or break a team's playoff run. In fantasy playoffs, anything can happen.

From what I've seen, the more time to make trades in here, the better. Keeps people a little more engaged for an extra week or two at the very least.

**FYI - speaking solely for the hockey portion of this league

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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2018, 08:41:53 PM »
While I somewhat agree, but also kind of like that the deadline is right up until the playoffs.
Allows more teams to really figure out if they're buyers or sellers, which generally gets more trades going.

If more teams are "in the hunt" for playoffs, and the trade deadline is too early, then no one's going to make moves.
As it is there weren't really many trades, which leads me to believe that trade deadline right before playoffs is actually quite fine.

If teams want to sell young players and prospects for veterans before the playoffs, I see no reason to stop them. Getting an extra guy or two isn't going to necessarily make or break a team's playoff run. In fantasy playoffs, anything can happen.

From what I've seen, the more time to make trades in here, the better. Keeps people a little more engaged for an extra week or two at the very least.

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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 08:58:28 PM »
If after several months you're not "in the hunt" with two weeks left then you're not in the hunt.

Again, just speaking for hockey in my short time, but the standings were pretty bunched up for making playoffs.

The last 2 weeks of matchups made or broke some teams making and missing the playoffs.

2 teams had the same records as me and missed the playoffs, while I'm in the 4th seed right now.

I find that if teams aren't making playoffs, they're (hopefully) trying to get as many picks and prospects as they can to rebuild their teams up (ie. NYI franchise).
If you take that away from them with a trade deadline too far away from playoffs, they have literally zero reason to be on the hockey site until the summer for the draft and FA.
That's a long time to have off ... To lose interest in the hockey team all together and forget about it.

I don't really see it being an issue in the hockey league. If anything it benefits the few active hockey managers who are making trades - more so the ones who want to rebuild up their teams gaining the young assets.

Maybe it's a bigger issue in the other sports leagues here though. But there were what, 3 trades close to the deadline in NHL, and from what I've heard, those were the first 3 trades in a really long time in the hockey portion of this league too.

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Re: Trading rules discussion
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2018, 12:19:03 AM »
I'd propose a month before playoffs. In RL its actually more than a month.

 

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