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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 02:58:39 PM »
I'm starting to think the 8-man roster limitation isn't needed at all.
The $30 starting value should be enough to deter spamming, no?
(Or maybe I'll raise it to $50 effective from Cadel on.)
« Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 03:00:47 PM by Garfield »
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2017, 04:21:30 PM »
50 may be more applicable for grand tours?
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2017, 05:36:42 PM »
Nah, I think even for classics it works. 9th place scores 52, and we all have an amnesty, so I can foresee at least 20 auctions. No reason to hold too many, if you ask me, since we'll do the whole circus 41 separate times this season alone...

30 is a joke for TdF (finishing is 20 already), and I'd like to establish a single number for simplicity.

50 for a classic should feel like a high stakes poker table. You don't place a bet with a weak-ass hand :)



In other news, maybe limit the amnesty to stage races?
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2017, 01:37:21 AM »
I think 50 is too much for a race like the TDU, you have to finish top 15 to get 30 points as it is, so noone would take any risks then.

same with the classics, if you have to finish top 10, noone will take many chances on riders as it wont be worth it considering there unpredictability
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2017, 04:43:36 AM »
That's exactly what the game is for: taking huge risks, and betting someone will finish top 10 or grab a stage!
If there is no team size limit, and 30 remains minimum, I'll buy 180 riders during TdF alone.
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2017, 08:46:09 AM »
180 riders in the tdf?

Im less on about the tdf tho. If you have to get 9th in a classic then there is no point going for someone who is unlikely to earn that back you may as well not spend the cash rather than be 35 credits down. The maths are not in the right favor, as only 9 out of 150+ riders would make there money back.
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2017, 09:29:59 AM »
The maths are not in the right favor, as only 9 out of 150+ riders would make there money back.

My objective exactly! The maths is always strongly against you in the casino. I want every bet to be a risk, no no-brainers. Additionally, we have the mechanics of amnesty and bankrupcy, both protecting you from bad luck.

The only danger of this league getting broken I can see right now is when in August 4-5 of us are on holidays, someone places 50 cheap Vuelta bids without taking any risk, and becomes uncatchable once everybody's back.
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2017, 05:34:48 PM »
I think 30 is right, it gives you a much larger pool of riders to choose from. If it is 50 for one day and shorter stage races then everyone will want the same 10-15 riders meaning that it will be much more difficult to spend your money.

Make it too difficult and everyone will be losing cash on most races, or just not spending any money at all.

For the TDU there is already a good selection of riders up for auction.

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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2017, 03:16:35 AM »
Make it too difficult and everyone will be losing cash on most races, or just not spending any money at all.

I get you point, but... make it too easy and the dude making a million bets will beat the one making good bets.

Since you guys seem much more optimistic than me about the activity level throughout the year, I think the lowest I'd agree to is this:

one day events (WT classics & WC) - 30
WT tours - 50
GT - 70

Example: in TdF 2016, 39 riders scored roughly 100 or more, 17 more - 50 or more, 12 more - 40 or more.
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Re: Wall Street Brainstorming
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2017, 05:17:07 AM »
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I get you point, but... make it too easy and the dude making a million bets will beat the one making good bets.

Just keep the 8 rider roster?
I don't see a reason to skip this rule.
I see it as an extra challenge to balance your bets, and to time your bets.

I a GT that prevents for makinga million silly bets.
If you are talking casino-terms. In poker you don't take risks to win a small pot. You only play if you can win a serious pot.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2017, 05:22:49 AM by davy duck »
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