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Rule status????
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2018, 11:09:35 AM »
What happen to our new rule?
You can only place higher bids as long as the total number of auctions you'll then be leading won't exceed half the total number of auctions.

Currently 10 bids above the minimum opening bid, and eight are by the same team.
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Re: Rule status????
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2018, 11:47:10 AM »
I guess if thats how the rule reads then the minimum bid would always win. As soon as you bid over someone you would own over half that are not the minimum bid so no bids at all can be made beyond the initial bid.

But in any case my bids can be cancelled/removed and revert back to who had them anyway. I cant be on tonight anyway so i guess it doesnt matter
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Re: Rule status????
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2018, 12:15:22 PM »
Bryan, you've misread the rule slightly. Nobody broke it:

You can only place higher bids as long as the total number of auctions you'll then be leading won't exceed half the total number of auctions.

That's indeed the rule.
What is the total number of auctions? 22.
Meaning you can only place higher bids as long as the total number of auctions you'll then be leading won't exceed 11.
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Re: Rule status????
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2018, 02:13:23 PM »
Bryan, you've misread the rule slightly. Nobody broke it:

That's indeed the rule.
What is the total number of auctions? 22.
Meaning you can only place higher bids as long as the total number of auctions you'll then be leading won't exceed 11.

I guess I did, and still do misunderstand.
I thought the maximum number of actions from a bidder could not exceed half of those with bids (other than opening nominations). In the case above, the person making the nominations would be restricted from making bids until more then half get second bids.
Currently 22 auctions, with 10 above the minimum, which would result in no more the 5 (non-nomination) by any one bidder. Which was my understanding.
What's outlined above would result in 22 auctions and max of 11 by any one bidder.

The first person to open actions would only be able to nominate 1 rider, until someone else nominated 1 rider... and so forth.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2018, 02:16:45 PM by Teton »
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Re: Rule status????
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2018, 02:25:34 PM »
The rule is a single sentence really, but admittedly you have to repeat it in your head again and again until it clicks. Took me a while too.

You can only place higher bids as long as the total number of auctions you'll then be leading won't exceed half the total number of auctions.

Tonight, the total number of auctions is 22, thus half is 11:

You can only place higher bids as long as the total number of auctions you'll then be leading won't exceed 11.

I'm leading 10? I can bid.
I'm already leading 11? I can't.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2018, 02:27:39 PM by Garfield »
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The new rule doesn't work
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2018, 05:01:58 PM »
In short:
With only 2.5 participants, the limitation to leading half the auctions means that the correct play is not to start any auctions. Which is not what we want.

In more detail:
1. I start Konrad, Gorka, Frank, and Haig not as solid 50 bets, but rather as cheeky gambles.
2. Those gambles mean now I can't participate in too many other auctions.
3. All riders are auctioned at ridiculous prices. A single rider above 100 in a race where half a dozen will score in triple digits, and the winner can easily get 350?
4. Consequently, next time I'll either start zero auctions, or just skip the gambles altogether. The game loses.

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Re: The new rule doesn't work
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2018, 05:11:15 PM »
I agree, this is what i was talking about. This rule suppresses the nomination process, which kills the game. If we modify so the 50% limit rule doesn't apply to nominations, it solves the problem?
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Re: The new rule doesn't work
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2018, 05:50:07 PM »
So how about we try this?

- no restrictions on the minimum bets,
- you can only lead a maximum of half or X - whichever is greater - of the non-minimum auctions.

(X is 3 for classics, 5 for tours, 7 for grand tours?)
« Last Edit: June 08, 2018, 05:57:19 PM by Garfield »
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Re: The new rule doesn't work
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2018, 06:02:21 PM »
I like it!! :iatp:
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Tiny rule change - more flexible opening timing
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2018, 02:59:23 AM »
Given:
- late startlist changes,
- 90% of all auctions started by Bryan & myself, which is quite a burden...

I hereby propose:

All auctions must be opened before 10:00 CET one calendar day before the race, i.e. Saturday morning for Sunday races.

Effective immediately :judge:
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