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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 02:43:46 PM »
Glad you like it!

- We should implement an automatic cut on budget if someone doesn't place a bet in, say, the month (5-10% of the score?);

Not an instant fan of the extra work, but I do understand where you're coming from!

- We should get a minimum bet higher than the points a rider get just for finishing the race. (10 at WT events, 30 at GT's?)

Absolutely! I'm thinking more like a flat global 30 even, so that nobody wastes my time by betting 10 on somebody who could potentially score 12.
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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2016, 06:33:59 PM »
I like the idea, but I also have some questions.

1) If you have a rider won for riding a GC does this rider also get points for leading in the GC after every stage? 
2) What happens when you have a rider, place an auction but you're not happy with the ammount that is bid. Does he stay in your team or do you sell him to the 'bank'?
3) Is it even possible to get rid of a rider in a GC during the event. fe. I want to buy Kittel for the Tour, but I only want him for the first week as there are the flat stages. But I know if I auction him no one will buy him. Is it possible to lose him?
4) Is it possible to buy a rider during a GC is already started. fe. In the first week there are flat stages, but after that it getting more hilly. So I like to buy Gesink, who is still free. Can I start an auction then?

For the rest I guess it will be possible to do quick autions even when I see a problem coming. If this auction ends at 23.00 hours, the most managers will wait to 22.59 to place their final bid. And what if several managers place the same ammount. Will the first poster than win the rider? Even when the time is the same?

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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2016, 02:24:23 AM »
1) yes, regular cq scoring
2) & 3) we only auction free riders
4) sure, not very smart though
5) the first bid is valid and extends the auction for 5-10 minutes, giving others time to post again with a valid amount. These are implementation details and there are a million known ways to do this smoothly, don't worry in advance. Do you think this is the first online auction in the history of the internet?
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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 10:25:34 AM »
This sounds really cool. However, I do think people might want to hang on to their pet riders too long. Is there some rule we could add that promotes trade? Say: getting points (next to money) for a rider if you sell him?

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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 11:09:13 AM »
This sounds really cool. However, I do think people might want to hang on to their pet riders too long.

Read it again :P
You lose all your riders after every race.
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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 01:46:56 PM »
I like the ideas here. This should be fun. I would be glad to help!
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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2016, 06:16:31 AM »
Still totally into the idea!

Some thoughts:

- I think it could be an added value if you don't lose necessarily all your riders. If you can buy a rider whenever you want for 1 specific race, it adds the aspect of timing. If I buy Froome in January, perhaps I can get him for 500. If we all bid in june you wont get him below 1000. Big disadvantage: You bought Froome but he occupates 1 space in your team, without scoring any points in other races. Therefore teams should be very small (5-7 spots), so that you can't fill up your squad with waiting riders. That way it creates stratego ... If I bid in January on Froome for 30. The others have to place a bet on Froome, because you don't want him to be sold for 30.

- In the scoringsystems, their should be something that stimulates attacking DS. If you start with 1000pts, and you don't do anything all season, you end with 1000 pts, you should be somewhere in the bottom of the ranking. So winning points should be much more awarded, then losing points is punished.

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Re: New league for 2017: Wall Street Cycling
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2016, 10:31:49 AM »
- I think it could be an added value if you don't lose necessarily all your riders. If you can buy a rider whenever you want for 1 specific race, it adds the aspect of timing. If I buy Froome in January, perhaps I can get him for 500. If we all bid in june you wont get him below 1000. Big disadvantage: You bought Froome but he occupates 1 space in your team, without scoring any points in other races. Therefore teams should be very small (5-7 spots), so that you can't fill up your squad with waiting riders. That way it creates stratego ... If I bid in January on Froome for 30. The others have to place a bet on Froome, because you don't want him to be sold for 30.

Sounds very risky to me.

Best case scenario: I can't even get excited just before the Tour, because most main contenders have been taken for months.

Worst case: All of you fill your teams completely, after which I just go and buy a bunch of great riders on the cheap and just wait. Having (or not) a free slot becomes extremely important.

That's distorting the game I had in mind. I'd prefer to keep it simple and close to actual cycling, with the theme of focusing on the big race to come next.

If you want a bit of continuity, how one KEEPER slot? The right to keep a rider for a second race. Without a chance of keeping the same one for a third race.

(Even as I'm writing it though, not such a big fan. I buy Froome. Expensive, but planning to keep him for both TdS & TdF. Now we're bidding on Quintana. In principle, you can afford to bid twice as much as me, because me keeper will only let me keep one of the two.)

- In the scoringsystems, their should be something that stimulates attacking DS. If you start with 1000pts, and you don't do anything all season, you end with 1000 pts, you should be somewhere in the bottom of the ranking. So winning points should be much more awarded, then losing points is punished.

Au contraire. I can assure you it's impossible to win with 1000 points, and I do intend to punish those who overbid. Maybe not 1:1 so that crashing out of races doesn't ruin it, but nothing extreme. While I do plan to introduce some small inactivity penalty (like 10-20 points for every WorldTour even you miss? that can still be overcome by buying one cheap rider though...) there shouldn't be a huge benefit of just blindly throwing money around all the time.
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Re: Brainstorming
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 05:54:08 AM »
So how do you like the new idea of insurance? Are all other rules clear enough? Would 23:00 work better than 22:00?
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Re: Brainstorming
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2016, 04:29:30 PM »
All sounds good to me, a complete novice at this style of fantasy game so am happy to follow the crowd in decision making for rules.
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