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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2017, 03:51:54 PM »
Here's another suggestion, the option of 2 years for your 2nd neo pick?

I like it.. require the 2nd year be determined when the selection was made.
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Cyclopaths 2018 1st
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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #91 on: October 31, 2017, 07:57:57 AM »
Looking forward to more feedback and more ideas! An overview of currently discussed changes:

UCI World Tour
  • For signings Ä40+, immediately announce an extension at 200% salary.
  • Optional 2-year contracts for 2nd-rounders.
My opinion: undecided. If it ain't broke, don't fix it? That being said, I serve at the pleasure of the directeurs sportifs.



Quick Fix
  • Round 2 picks score double, round 5 picks score x5 etc.
  • No more clock penalties.
  • Use previous season's main game score as price tags.
  • Draft via WhatsApp if still too slow.
My opinion: must change heavily. The first change listed above sound inevitable if you want to win with the last pick.



Country Roads
My opinion: should change for more control and fairness, deeper experience, and a game which is less like all the others.



Rainbow Cup
  • Use previous season's main game score as price tags.
  • In a further attempt to spice up this otherwise straightforward game: additional constraints? Say one rider per nation. Or one rider per real-life team. Or both?
My opinion: Why not?



New leagues
Nothing proposed till now.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2017, 10:06:09 AM by Garfield »
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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2017, 10:41:44 AM »
My views.

UCI WT

Happy with both of the suggestions.

QF

Not in this one but the first change would make it more interesting.

CR

Would prefer a straight snake draft with no categories as itís fairer to the teams later in the draw. The first choosers could get Sagan, Froome. Quintana, GVA etc and the later picks get first dibs on a couple of the Pinots and Bardets - see my post in the Country Roads section.

Rainbow

Fine as is.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2017, 11:03:51 AM by Joelsim »

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2017, 03:10:09 PM »
World Tour

Like both ideas

QF

Like the points system by round... But I haven't got Whatsapp so I will drop this game if that would be added.

CR

Isn't it possible to let all players sent in their top 5 per categorie. Also let them also make a list of these categories in points with 20 points to spent on this. fe. with 10 categories you can give 9 of them 1 point and 1 categorie 11, but you can also spread the points.

Then Managers get the first choise in the categorie where they have add the most points to. The number 2 gets then his highest pick that is free and so on... If there is a tie no one gets the pick... Not all riders will be chosen so we start with another draft. But only now we get 15 points to add and still make our top 5 lists...

I'm not sure this will work but it's only an idea to change things... And a little bit different from Garfields idea.

RC

Maybe here;s the points per round is also possible.. So 1 point for round one pick 2 points for round 2 pick...
Like the idea of one rider per real-life team. For nations I'm not sure as there aren't many good Slovenians, Russians, Polish. Letzeburgian or South African riders...  So it's only for the big countries as France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Netherlands and GB... And perhaps Germany.


New leagues:

It it an option to do something with the neo's? Like chose 3 or 4 of them for a max of 500 points or so. And the team with the biggest increasement wins...

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #94 on: October 31, 2017, 04:28:38 PM »


UCI World Tour
  • For signings Ä40+, immediately announce an extension at 200% salary.
  • Optional 2-year contracts for 2nd-rounders.


I like both ideas, but am not sure we should make any changes to this hallmark league.



Quick Fix
  • Round 2 picks score double, round 5 picks score x5 etc.
  • No more clock penalties.
  • Use previous season's main game score as price tags.
  • Draft via WhatsApp if still too slow.

Increasing the score by the round selected makes sense.
The clock issue is a tuff one, worse with the time zones involved. As I help run the drafts, I felt real unpopular last year as I skipped people who timed out. I think it would help if EVERYONE linked their PM's to Their Email on this site.
I think we should stick with CQ scoring  whenever possible.
I have no Idea what "WhatsApp" is??

Country Roads

Perhaps eliminated a couple of the weaker categories. Geezer, Global, Rebound.

Rainbow Cup
  • Use previous season's main game score as price tags.
  • In a further attempt to spice up this otherwise straightforward game: additional constraints? Say one rider per nation. Or one rider per real-life team. Or both?

I think we should stick with CQ scoring  whenever possible.
No changes. Not sure how the Nations, or real-Life??, would help this league.


New leagues
We currently have a strong list of unique league options.
Quick Ardennes 2019  - 1st
Cyclopaths 2018 1st
Quick Vuelta 2018  1st
Quick Tour 2018  1st
Quick Giro 2018 - 2nd
Quick Ardennes 2018  - 1st
Rainbow Cup 2017 - 2nd
Quick Cobbles 2016 - 1st
Rainbow Cup 2016 - 1st

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #95 on: November 01, 2017, 03:00:53 PM »
Like both  ideas for the UCI Word tour.

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #96 on: November 02, 2017, 01:48:14 PM »
I think we should be very cautious about new rules for UCI WT as new rules bring more complexity to the game and it is more difficult to recruit new DS if the rules are not simple enough.

I mean, I like the ideas, but I think we should preserve the relative simplicity of our main game.

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2017, 11:47:42 AM »
UCI World Tour
    For signings Ä40+, immediately announce an extension at 200% salary.
    Optional 2-year contracts for 2nd-rounders.

I donít like both.
Itís needless extra complexity in my opinion. It feels like or speculating for dumb luck, or ruining partly the next season. It has nothing to do with the main goal of this game.
And I believe both will have a modest impact on the ending result.

Quick Fix
    Round 2 picks score double, round 5 picks score x5 etc.
    No more clock penalties.
    Use previous season's main game score as price tags.
    Draft via WhatsApp if still too slow.

Yes-yes-no- and no
1st no:  itís almost inpossible to have a correct list of riders with their result of the main game. As Iím sure there are some (minor) mistakes in the score counting. CQ changes results sometimes after we copy/pasted them in our form. Mostly itís in the back of the result: f.e. riders out of time limit. So I prefer the original CQ score.
2nd no: Instead of drafting clock, you could make fixed time frames for everybody. Then you know way in advance when itís your turn. You could anticipate this way by sending a top 3 to a mod or a colleague you trust. As some people never heard of whatsapp, itís a bad idea.

Country Roads
    Customize your draft order or a single draft in spite of 12 categories.
The categorizing is just the thing that makes this game other than all the other games. Perhaps there is need for more thinking about the categories, and which riders to put in those categories. You could go crazy in those categories. It doesnít have to so with cycling. Ideas: categorizing per country, only riders with ďbalĒ in their name, a rider may be in multiple categories that way there is no limit on the number of categories, a category with riders who have the name of a cartoon figure, etc etc etc Ö

Rainbow Cup
Keep as is in my opinion. Absolute freedom who to pick.

FYC
Keep as is in my opinion. Let it go in this format for 2 more season, and see how things go with the extensions.
I really love the format. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact I crushed you all  :disco:

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2017, 01:47:19 PM »
WT

Not fussed about the first one
Big problem with the current way Neo is done which is why i made the 2 year for 2nd pick suggestion. If anything your 2nd pick should be 2 years and first pick 1 year. Basically people at the top of the draft can get a Gaviria for 2 years, yet my pick low down in the 2nd round goes after 1 year whilst still maturing. I cant see the sense/fairness in this way of doing it. Yes I get that those that have struggled get the early picks but 2 years of Gaviria compared to a 1 year 2nd round pick far outways the difference in scores generally from top to bottom come the end of the season over 2 years.

Quick fix

Not a throwing dummies out of the pram, but it needs a massive shake up for me to continue with it, and for me the biggest problem is the use of CQ scoring as it is. This is used the same for all the games, and in this game you effectively have to use a score when drafting that is non reflective of there ability in the races we use for this game aside from the big boys of which you cannot afford more than 1 or 2. Dupont for an example had a score of around 1000, none of which came from any races we use (except maybe the odd points in some of the early classic races), same with Dumoulin, 800 odd CQ with very little from WT races

Country roads

Kinda gave my opinion already, keep the categories but use a snake draft whereby people pick form whichever category as you go through the draft until they have a rider from each, so they make there own importance on category

The rest of the games seem fine

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #99 on: November 03, 2017, 02:48:09 PM »
I agree with you TER. My neosí scores added up across all 3 years Iíve played the game donít add up to a single year of Gaviria, Ewan or similar riders. The draft being the same both times also doesnít help when youíre near the bottom. Very unfair.

 

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