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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2016, 12:12:08 PM »
2 new ways of drafing came into my mind:

- As the cobbles quick pick have shown that it's all about the leader, you could simply do 6 drafting rounds, where the rider picked in round 1 doesn't count, budget doesn't matter. I suppose everybody will exclude the really big guys. But perhaps the first pickers exclude small riders, and it becomes a little tactical.

but better:

- a draft in time. to avoid problems of guys not doing what they have to do. There is no order of picking. The earlier you pick the lower points the rider scores.

example, like a fruit auction (14 teams - fixed deadline of course):
team A picks Sagan: score x 1
team B picks Van Avermaet: score x 1.05
team A picks Vanmarcke: score x 1.1
...
Team C picks Van Lerberghe as last: score x 5.50

Also possible with time slots:
10 days picking:
riders picked in the first day: score x 1
riders picked the second day: score x 1.1
...
or riders picked in the first hour:: score x 1
in second hour: score x1.01.

It doesn't have to be linear even, it could go exponential even. That makes it really worth the gamble of waiting.
Team budget can even be skipped then.
A team with Vanmarcke, sagan, van avermaet, cancellare and kwiatek can lose from Kuznetsov, thwaites, saramotins, erviti, sieberg.


You could do the same but changing the value of the rider. But impact will be much lower then.

(still looking for something to get around the cq-scoring-system whereby the winner is awarded extremely in comparison to the rest. :-)

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2016, 05:29:59 AM »
Another picking way ...

TEAM A, B, C and D pick riders.
first round: teams make their first pick at the same time without they know the pick of each other (sending it per mail or so): (picking without taking budget into account)
example result: A picks Froome, B picks Froome, C picks Quintana, D picks Valverde.
C gets Quintana, D gets Valverde, because they are the only ones that pick that one rider. A and B have to pick again because they have picked equal, but they can't pick Froome anymore (and of course quintana and Valverde)
So second round of first pick: A picks Sagen, B picks Kittel.

A and B aren't allowed to pick Froome again.

Second pick: A picks Van Avermaet, B picks Aru, C picks Froome, D picks Aru
Result: A gets Van Avermaet, C gets Froome, B and D have to pick again and can't pick Aru anymore.

Should work for 15 teams, picking 8 riders or so. Very tactical!
Some work for the administrator, but No problem of doing that.

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2016, 06:43:54 AM »
Another picking way ...

TEAM A, B, C and D pick riders.
first round: teams make their first pick at the same time without they know the pick of each other (sending it per mail or so): (picking without taking budget into account)
example result: A picks Froome, B picks Froome, C picks Quintana, D picks Valverde.
C gets Quintana, D gets Valverde, because they are the only ones that pick that one rider. A and B have to pick again because they have picked equal, but they can't pick Froome anymore (and of course quintana and Valverde)
So second round of first pick: A picks Sagen, B picks Kittel.

A and B aren't allowed to pick Froome again.

Second pick: A picks Van Avermaet, B picks Aru, C picks Froome, D picks Aru
Result: A gets Van Avermaet, C gets Froome, B and D have to pick again and can't pick Aru anymore.

Should work for 15 teams, picking 8 riders or so. Very tactical!
Some work for the administrator, but No problem of doing that.

 Looks nice, but I guess this will take some time as  you can have a lot of extra rounds to get all the teams filled.

And a question. Do you work with a budget in this or is it just try to pick the strongest team without a limit?
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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #73 on: May 01, 2016, 04:08:43 PM »
can work with or without budget restrictions. But I think there is no need to set a budget.

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2016, 07:08:22 AM »
Very luck-dependent, not my cup of tea :P
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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2017, 06:32:46 AM »
It's this time of year already!

I'm all ears for your ideas/complains.

Of course no better league than Wall Street Cycling will ever exist, but we can still try!
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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2017, 05:47:58 AM »
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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2017, 04:50:23 PM »
My only comment would be that all points scored by a teamís riders should count. So, if you have 12 scoring players in your TDF line-up then you get all the points. I donít think using real team sizes of 8 or 9 adds anything to the game.


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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #78 on: October 25, 2017, 08:25:51 AM »
in UCI WT, I find frustrating not being able to keep a guy I got at a good price, and not beeing able to keep one more year. So what about (same as the dropping rule) being able to sign a one year contract (or maybe 2) to one (or two) of our rider at 150% of his actual salary ?

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Re: Call me crazy (aka additional leagues brainstorming)
« Reply #79 on: October 25, 2017, 09:34:25 AM »
in UCI WT, I find frustrating not being able to keep a guy I got at a good price, and not beeing able to keep one more year. So what about (same as the dropping rule) being able to sign a one year contract (or maybe 2) to one (or two) of our rider at 150% of his actual salary ?

Trust me, we all find it frustrating. Luckily, there is a solution:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?board=3466

Seriously though, it's something we discuss every October. Personally, I feel like we don't need to complicate*. But as usual I'm all ears if more people disagree. (Btw the rule would be 1 rider of $40+, signed before TDU, 200%)

* Because it's yet another additional rule. Because it's subject to potential abuse. Because the drop rule had a very special motivation of the manager staying active even after their star rider gets seriously injured or caught doping. Such motivation is lacking here.
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