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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2011, 09:54:51 AM »
Note sure where that number is coming from Rick, but it's 16.5M.

Like I already mentioned in a PM, Hank has 9.5M coming off his books just from Cordero and Lowe's contracts. There is a further 8M saving from the Crawford deal.

There are some GMs who think along the line of "why pay Weeks now when I get just bid for him on the free agent market?"
That logic is pretty flawed in my opinion. Corey has a 75M war chest, Kris has at least 30M to spend, Jeff has about 20M to spend, and I have at least 15M even if I resign Weeks. There is no way Weeks will be signed for less than the current market value in the open market. Last offseason, Nishioka went for 38M. It's more than reasonable to assume Weeks will get at least double that.
The $20.5m comes from the salary for Weeks plus the $4m Detroit is paying you to take Crawford. Simple math Howe.
War Chest mean nothing. I've got roughly $40m to spend this off season, even if I resign my potential FA's, so what?
IMO-You are taking advantage of a GM in a bad situation and that is detrimental to the league.
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2011, 10:15:55 AM »
Note sure where that number is coming from Rick, but it's 16.5M.

Like I already mentioned in a PM, Hank has 9.5M coming off his books just from Cordero and Lowe's contracts. There is a further 8M saving from the Crawford deal.

There are some GMs who think along the line of "why pay Weeks now when I get just bid for him on the free agent market?"
That logic is pretty flawed in my opinion. Corey has a 75M war chest, Kris has at least 30M to spend, Jeff has about 20M to spend, and I have at least 15M even if I resign Weeks. There is no way Weeks will be signed for less than the current market value in the open market. Last offseason, Nishioka went for 38M. It's more than reasonable to assume Weeks will get at least double that.


That "flawed logic" as you put it is pretty much the basis for trade talks in real life.  In real life, teams that trade a player 1-2 away from free agency generally get a nice haul.  Look what the Rangers got for Teixeira (Andrus, Feliz, Harrison, etc).  If the Braves wait until the trade deadline of the walk year, they get Casey Kotchman for Teixeira to cite one example. 
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2011, 10:21:28 AM »
The $20.5m comes from the salary for Weeks plus the $4m Detroit is paying you to take Crawford. Simple math Howe.
War Chest mean nothing. I've got roughly $40m to spend this off season, even if I resign my potential FA's, so what?
IMO-You are taking advantage of a GM in a bad situation and that is detrimental to the league.

well said Rick. Great Point Roy.  :toth: to both of you
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2011, 10:29:47 AM »
Yes, I know how much we need to pay Weeks to resign him. Money will be freed up next season, it shouldn't be a concern.
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2011, 10:35:21 AM »
The $20.5m comes from the salary for Weeks plus the $4m Detroit is paying you to take Crawford. Simple math Howe.
War Chest mean nothing. I've got roughly $40m to spend this off season, even if I resign my potential FA's, so what?
IMO-You are taking advantage of a GM in a bad situation and that is detrimental to the league.

Good job playing with the numbers, I can do the same, Weeks will be paid 16.5 + 4 - 9 = 10.5M next year.

War Chest meaning nothing? What does that even mean? What are you going to with the extra $, let is sit and accrute interest Why risk been subject to market inflation when you can lock up the players to a certain price?
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2011, 10:39:55 AM »


Is that why Fielder, with no contract, fetched Hosmer/Lamb/Weglarz in FGM?
Is that why Lee, with less than a year left, fetched Smoak?
When Kotchman was traded, he was coming off a .296/.372/.476 season as a 24 y/o.

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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2011, 10:47:18 AM »
Is that why Fielder, with no contract, fetched Hosmer/Lamb/Weglarz in FGM?
Is that why Lee, with less than a year left, fetched Smoak?
When Kotchman was traded, he was coming off a .296/.372/.476 season as a 24 y/o.

I'd like to call a timeout.  Hank has replied and addressed the financial aspect of the deal.  Let the TC evaluation continue. 
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 04:11:54 PM »
If you had had a war chest in Denver you may still be the GM of the Rockies. It is unsustainable as is and you knew it. I suspect that you saw the impending problem that is the Rockies roster and got out of Dodge while the getting was good. Problem is you were handed a team with as much talent and more money. And, YES, I do have an ax to grind here.
Good luck Hank! Apparently you have a plan to finance this deal and that's great. I'd just be careful in my dealings with Howe. He will insure that he comes out with the better end of the deal.
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »

Good luck Hank! Apparently you have a plan to finance this deal and that's great. I'd just be careful in my dealings with Howe. He will insure that he comes out with the better end of the deal.
Thanks man.
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Re: Trade: LAD/DET
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2011, 02:35:15 AM »
Paying money on Crawford baffles the crap out of me, but I'll approve.

Good luck Hank.
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