* Rebel NHL

Blank 

Blank CCM conference

Blank Blank Atlantic Divison

Blank Detroit Red Wings Carolina Hurricanes Toronto Maple Leafs Buffalo Sabres Philadelphia Flyers Blank 

Blank Metropolitan Division

Blank Winnipeg Jets Washington Capitals New York Islanders New York Rangers Pittsburgh Penguins Blank 

Blank Reebok conference

Blank Blank Pacific Division

Blank San Jose Sharks Anaheim Ducks Colorado Avalanche Vancouver Canucks Calgary Flames Blank 

Blank Central Division

Blank St. Louis Blues Florida Panthers Tampa Bay Lightning Hartford Whalers Nashville Predators Blank Blank

Author Topic: Rule Proposal & Discussion  (Read 604 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline SlackJack

  • MVP
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jan 2012
  • Posts: 4698
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :PHI-NHL:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Rule Proposal & Discussion
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:31:52 PM »
I've been here in Rebel for a couple years now and see a slow but progressive shift towards more balanced contracts. Which is good but I think a tweak to the way we calculate extensions would accelerate the process for the better. Given that we generally follow the NHL for our cap numbers it stands to reason that player contracts shouldn't stray wildly from those in real life.

The change I want to see would have us calculate extensions by averaging only the best two years from the last three. So if a player, like Sidney Crosby for example, losses a year due to injury their ranking won't be incredibly skewed because of it. If a players rankings are 1st, 200th, and 1st, then by the current formula that player will be extended at 67th over-all. The contract would be valued at $1.7m per year rather than the $8m that would otherwise be reasonable.

This is an extreme example of course but the formula as it is now is pushing down the extension value of players right across the league. The net effect being that there is very little talent available in free agency. If contracts are overly easy to retain then bottom-feeder teams will take an unreasonably long time to draft their way into contention.

Here's a couple more examples of how it would work.

V.Tarasenko - RW
14/15 = 3rd, 13/14 = 67th, 12/13 = 90th Current Formula = 53rd ($3.5m) Best Two = 35th ($5.3m) Real NHL = $7.5m

G.Nyqvist - RW
14/15 = 30th, 13/14 = 52nd, 12/13 = 142nd Current Formula = 74th ($1.3m) Best Two = 41st ($4.4m) Real NHL = $4.8m

Keep in mind that by no means do I want to follow the NHL exactly and that is not at all the point of this thread. Tarasenko would still be a steal at $5.3m and Nyquist is obviously reasonable at $4.4m. But the net effect that these larger contracts would have throughout the league would be to push GM's into making more interesting choices as to how their budget is being spent.

A larger and more skilled free-agent pool would benefit everyone.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2015, 06:23:44 PM by hockeyfreak47 »
:SC-NHL: :SC-NHL: :SC-NHL:  2015-16, 2017-18, 2018-19 Backyard NHL Stanley Cup Champion :STL-NHL:

Offline hockeyfreak47

  • League Moderator
  • Legend
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 8608
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :OTT:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Rule Proposal & Discussion
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2015, 07:08:35 PM »
All change were made to have a more balanced league for the 2016-17 season  :toth:

I see your concern whit the good player's getting cheap contract right now but don't forget that cheap contract are also short term deals.

The way I made the extension bracket was for insane 2015-16 expiring contract like :

 PK Subban, $0.9m (2015-16)
Jakub Voracek, $1.3m (2015-16)
Kevin Shattenkirk, $1.3m (2015-16)
Derek Stepan, $0.8m (2015-16)
Jamie Benn, $0.8m (2015-16)
T.J. Oshie, $1.3m (2015-16)
Logan Couture, $1.2m (2015-16)
James Van Riemsdyk, $1.7m (2015-16)
Jordan Eberle, $1.2m (2015-16)
Corey Crawford, $0.8m (2015-16)
Braden Holtby, $0.6m (2015-16)
Tukka Rask, $1.3m (2015-16)
Claude Giroux, $0.8m (2015-16)
Jimmy Howard, $0.7m (2015-16)

and more ...

So it would be really tough to see if we should change the way extension are made before the 2015-16 extension .
:NHL: 2011-12 Rebel NHL Stanley Cup Finalist :DET-NHL:       :NHL: 2013-14 Rebel NHL Stanley Cup Finalist :CHI-NHL:
:NHL: 2012-13 Prospectus Maximus NHL Stanley Cup Finalist :CLS:     :NHL: 2013-14 NHL Invita Stanley Cup Finalist :DET-NHL:
:NHL: 2012-13 CHL Division II Stanley Cup Champion :GAT-QHL: :win:
:NHL: 2012-13 Rebel NHL Stanley Cup Champion :DET-NHL: :win:
:NHL: 2012-13 Franchise NHL Stanley Cup Champion :PHO: :win:
 :PGA:  2013 The Clubhouse PGA champion :win:
2013-14 Rebel NHL Presidents Trophy :DET-NHL:
2013-14 NHL Invitational Presidents Trophy :CHI-NHL:

Offline SlackJack

  • MVP
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jan 2012
  • Posts: 4698
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :PHI-NHL:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Rule Proposal & Discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2015, 07:26:36 PM »

So it would be really tough to see if we should change the way extension are made before the 2015-16 extension .

I am looking ahead to 2016-17.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2015, 07:45:24 PM by SlackJack »
:SC-NHL: :SC-NHL: :SC-NHL:  2015-16, 2017-18, 2018-19 Backyard NHL Stanley Cup Champion :STL-NHL:

Offline hockeyfreak47

  • League Moderator
  • Legend
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 8608
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :OTT:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Rule Proposal & Discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2015, 01:37:53 AM »
I am looking ahead to 2016-17.

 :iatp:

Just to add on the extensions if I make a change it will most likely be on game played in a season for it to count as 1 year played .
:NHL: 2011-12 Rebel NHL Stanley Cup Finalist :DET-NHL:       :NHL: 2013-14 Rebel NHL Stanley Cup Finalist :CHI-NHL:
:NHL: 2012-13 Prospectus Maximus NHL Stanley Cup Finalist :CLS:     :NHL: 2013-14 NHL Invita Stanley Cup Finalist :DET-NHL:
:NHL: 2012-13 CHL Division II Stanley Cup Champion :GAT-QHL: :win:
:NHL: 2012-13 Rebel NHL Stanley Cup Champion :DET-NHL: :win:
:NHL: 2012-13 Franchise NHL Stanley Cup Champion :PHO: :win:
 :PGA:  2013 The Clubhouse PGA champion :win:
2013-14 Rebel NHL Presidents Trophy :DET-NHL:
2013-14 NHL Invitational Presidents Trophy :CHI-NHL:

Offline BlueJaysTO

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1658
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :BUF:
    • :TOR-NBA:
    • :TOR-NHL:
    • :Oregon:
    • :TOR-MLS:
    • View Profile
Re: Rule Proposal & Discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 12:29:49 PM »
On a separate note, since we reduced the amount of roster spots for Rebel, maybe we should reduce the salary cap as well? Right now its at 70 million, which is fine except we were at that when we had 30 players and not 27.

Because of the free buyouts and reduced roster size, there are many teams who are now way below the minimum salary cap and there is not even one team who is anywhere close to having problems with the salary cap.

Believe me, as a team who is looking to contend next year and probably will have some contracts to deal with in the next off season, this is something not in my teams best interests. But it is definitely more fair.

With the roster size decreased, the salary cap should now be at around 63 million.  If we stay at 70 million, it will be very hard for teams to get the cap floor and will not be reflecting a 27 man roster. I strongly recommend that we do this for 2015-16.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 12:46:41 PM by BlueJaysTO »

 

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • indiansnation: Westcoas pm
    January 22, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
  • frankbullsfan: Toronto pick is in
    January 22, 2020, 01:35:58 PM
  • cheesesteak: Frank, I think Small was already drafted.
    January 22, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
  • gventura: Yeah 1:24
    January 22, 2020, 01:44:59 PM
  • gventura: The draftable players list has been audited and is accurate
    January 22, 2020, 01:50:53 PM
  • frankbullsfan: Sorry was looking at two players and posted the one already taken fixed it now
    January 22, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
  • Vik: Np Frank
    January 22, 2020, 02:17:55 PM
  • Vik: Anyone know if Leppardkev is still around? Looks like he hasnt logged since July. Think we got Texas open as well in Armchair
    January 22, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
  • RyanJames5: Vik I took Tyler Callihan in the first round
    January 22, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
  • Vik: Oops, my bad missed it. Changed to Sammy Siani
    January 22, 2020, 02:47:01 PM
  • Vik: I'm still hoping a few teams join and reduce the auto picks and get the league more I'm competative. 5 for sure open then I believe Rangers/Cubs as well
    January 22, 2020, 02:49:19 PM
  • Vik: Still progress from where we ended last year. For anyone considering, extension/Arb deadline has been moved to this Friday. Probably won't push back any more so this week is best time to join
    January 22, 2020, 02:50:53 PM
  • gventura: VIK has Brennan Malone been drafted? I can't find him
    January 22, 2020, 03:05:50 PM
  • RyanJames5: I don't think he has been selected gventura
    January 22, 2020, 03:11:55 PM
  • Vik: Hmm, I guess not but technically should have been autodrafted at this point. Honest mistake I guess, we can just give him to Texas as auto
    January 22, 2020, 03:18:44 PM
  • indiansnation: Curtmenefee47 pm
    January 22, 2020, 03:47:40 PM
  • Flash: @indiansnation - PM
    January 22, 2020, 04:18:12 PM
  • indiansnation: Flash pm
    January 22, 2020, 05:50:49 PM
  • Flash: Indiansnation PM
    January 22, 2020, 06:17:39 PM
  • indiansnation: Flash pm
    January 22, 2020, 08:03:26 PM
  • Flash: Indiansnation - Trade Posted
    January 22, 2020, 08:47:30 PM
  • indiansnation: Curtmenefee47 responded to your pm
    January 22, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
  • gventura: :BAL: OTC
    January 22, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
  • curtmenefee47: Indiansnation Posted
    Yesterday at 08:34:19 AM
  • indiansnation: OF Kiermaier, Kevin, $10m (2021) up for trade 3m pd previous trade 2m more pd in 2020 and 5m pd in 2021
    Yesterday at 03:07:28 PM
  • Yeagg: Papps, at this point I think that you and I just like to argue lololol
    Yesterday at 04:28:15 PM
  • Yeagg: We aren't even being productive with out talks
    Yesterday at 04:28:30 PM
  • papps: Its because I'm right and you're wrong  :rofl: :rofl:
    Yesterday at 04:30:09 PM
  • papps: Ask Daddy, he'll agree  :rofl: :rofl:
    Yesterday at 04:30:22 PM
  • papps: Daddy is always wrong too  :thumbsup:
    Yesterday at 04:32:36 PM
  • Yeagg: Jesus Christ, imagine the 3 of us sitting in one room
    Yesterday at 04:35:27 PM
  • papps: LOL what a BooYah! show that would be
    Yesterday at 04:40:52 PM
  • indiansnation: U both are BooYah! well wrong and im right
    Yesterday at 05:34:39 PM
  • indiansnation: So i solved that issue.
    Yesterday at 05:35:45 PM
  • indiansnation: Yeagg for sure u are maybe 10% right and papps is maybe 20% right and both  75% both of u are full of it lol
    Yesterday at 05:38:13 PM
  • papps: Lol that’s true
    Yesterday at 05:44:38 PM
  • WestCoastExpress: MDA didn’t you read your invalid bid explanation the 1st time in FGM? You did it again. “Oops I did it again...” :rofl:
    Yesterday at 06:30:46 PM
  • Yeagg: Only 75% full of it? Seems a little low
    Yesterday at 06:53:17 PM
  • Flash: MDA - Please read the FGM bidding rules
    Yesterday at 09:21:12 PM
  • indiansnation: Flash pm
    Today at 02:01:14 AM
  • Yeagg: Does anyone have a baseball America subscription
    Today at 02:23:33 AM
  • indiansnation: Why yeagg u want to know
    Today at 02:25:14 AM
  • Yeagg: I'm 13 prospects short of putting their list together thanks to reddit and local sports writers
    Today at 02:31:19 AM
  • Yeagg: I cant find the Astros, Indians, Phillies, Pirates, Reds, Diamondbacks, or Rockies
    Today at 02:32:02 AM
  • Brent: Test
    Today at 02:56:52 AM
  • indiansnation: Yeagg pm
    Today at 03:00:03 AM
  • indiansnation: Hey bren
    Today at 03:00:08 AM
  • indiansnation: Brent
    Today at 03:00:11 AM
  • Flash: Indians PM
    Today at 03:01:15 AM
  • indiansnation: Flash pm
    Today at 03:08:46 AM