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Buckets of Dimes / Re: Trade Block
« on: July 16, 2019, 11:11:11 AM »
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Buckets of Dimes: Completed Transactions / Re: PF - Maxi Kleber--DAL
« on: July 16, 2019, 09:58:52 AM »
Missed this.

You can’t bid on your own RFA’s

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Buckets of Dimes: Transactions / Re: PF - Nerlans Noel - OKC
« on: July 16, 2019, 02:25:34 AM »
4 years, $0.5m per year

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Buckets of Dimes: Completed Trades / Re: Rockets and Pelicans trade
« on: July 16, 2019, 02:24:53 AM »
 :iatp:

This is a huge haul for 1 year of Randle...

Not sure why Marko is giving up on Ingram after being so high on him last year. Prince is also no throw-in, he should take another step forward this year with Bazemore no longer in town.

To each his own though, good luck to Houston on the title run in the wild wild West!

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Buckets of Dimes: Completed Trades / Re: Mavs/Warriors Trade
« on: July 16, 2019, 02:22:48 AM »
Wow I figured a lottery pick would be worth more than a bench player making $4.4m per year.

Interested to hear new Warriors GM's take on this.

I don't see Collins getting that much run with Whiteside now in Portland, especially when Nurk returns. He'll probably still be seeing no more than 15 minutes per game. I'd say you could get that in FA for half the price or less than the $4.4m cap hit and keep a lottery pick while you're at it....

Also,
I feel like 13th overall could produce as well as, or better than Collins as soon as January 2020 as a rookie, and be cheaper on the cap, and be owned longer term.

Doesn't make sense to me right now why this trade would be done.

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Buckets of Dimes: Completed Trades / Re: pelicans and hawks trade
« on: July 15, 2019, 07:03:14 PM »
Wow, big trade. I like it for both sides, although I figured NOP was going to be in a competing mind-frame. Maybe they've got grander plans though.

Blake for free this year is a huge pick-up for ATL.
Plus, in 3 years time, our franchise tag values will have gone down after all of our "original real-life" contracts are up, so franchising Blake could be at a decent price point, unless free agency gets way out of hand. So really he could be controllable for 7 years, depending on if other expiring deals happen at the same time as Griffin that would be franchise tag eligible.

That said, Blake is also 30 years old, so franchise tagging a 33 year old Blake Griffin would be a decision in itself. But that's 3 years from now!

ATL adding Griffin, LaVine and maybe another FA should help them do better than last season!

 :iatp:

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Doing this won't eliminate a team from having say 70m paid in one season but then the following season(s) they are on the hook for those contracts likely needing to pay on them themselves in order to move them.  Advantage nullified by the disadvantage of planning beyond the trade year.

The real MLB allows cash exchanges. Eliminating it altogether may not be the way to go but not allowing anything beyond the trade year is easier to keep track of and still keeps in play the strategy of same cap.

That would be a good way to do it. Just for the current season.

It doesn't strap a team long-term with having dead cap because you've paid for a player with 4 years left on his contract. Also helps incoming GM's for the same reason.

I don't mind either way - have never played in a league that doesn't allow cash to move, so it could be a different twist.
But as pointed out, makes trading a bit tougher. You'd have to trade back high contracts to make a deal work.

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Compensation offered was incorrect.

Draft Pick Compensation Values:
$0.5m - $6m per year = No Draft Pick Compensation
$6.1m - $13m per year = 2nd Round Draft Pick as Compensation
$13.1m - $24m per year = 1st Round Draft Pick as Compensation


Sacramento has the option to take a 2nd Round Pick, or match the 4-year, $10m/year contract.

:MIN-NBA: 2019 2nd Round Pick (Pick 35)
:MIN-NBA: 2020 2nd Round Pick

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In this case, essentially you can trade some of your cap space to another team though.

ie.
I trade $20m in cap ($20m cash in 2020) to Brent, in exchange for a prospect or two.

Is this what we want to do moving forward?

A team could then be "over" the cap by $70m for a season ... Would be tough for people to compete with that.

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Having a hard/standard cap and limiting or eliminating the ability to pay on contracts will over time increase the value of cap space and potentially lower the annual salaries since GMs will know they are on the hook for the salary they hand out in FA unless they can find a trade partner to take on the salary or offset it with contracts in return.

This only works if re-sign values are fair, give the state of the salary cap and amount of total players per roster.

If re-sign values are just thrown out there, or if they are in line with the real life league, then it doesn't make sense that we can't pay money on contracts.

Might make it harder on mod's on the outset to set the fair market value for re-sign values, but overall in the long run might cause less spreadsheet headaches.
That said, it has worked well where when say you pay $10m on Player-X to make a deal work, that $10m always is paid on him from the original team. So if he has a $20m contract and $10m is paid for when he gets traded - that $10m paid goes with him. It's not like you can trade for a player and get money paid on him, and then turn around and flip him and not pay money on him but have that extra $10m in salary cap because someone else paid you in the original deal. Makes it easier for spreadsheets that way.

But overall there are some big big salary contracts currently that are pretty well un-tradeable unless you're sending another big money contract he other way. Sometimes the only way to move those enormous contracts (or bad contracts) is to help out with salary.

(Case in point, Brian - you in BoD having to pay money when trading a guy, to get rid of some of your overpriced players. You still get value for them, but there's not way you're trading a player without paying money one him to get a deal completed).

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