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Title: Trade Block
Post by: onyourwheel on May 01, 2012, 05:28:53 PM
I'm wanting some more riders from Garmin-Barracuda on my team.

Unfortunately, I've got no room to breath on salary cap, so I think my only option is a trade.

Lets talk!
Title: Trades
Post by: onyourwheel on November 04, 2012, 10:59:29 PM
If a trade is made. Do the contracts have to be traded as well?

I give Rider A for Rider B but could I keep the contract value for Rider A when I get Rider B.  This would allow a trade that might not always be doable under the salary cap.

I paid too much for a rider but would rather pay way too much for a rider I like more.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trades
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 04:15:31 AM
You can take over any contract if only both parties are on the same page. The rider just wants to get paid the money he was promised.
Title: Re: Trades
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 05, 2012, 05:20:15 AM
If a trade is made. Do the contracts have to be traded as well?

I give Rider A for Rider B but could I keep the contract value for Rider A when I get Rider B.  This would allow a trade that might not always be doable under the salary cap.

I paid too much for a rider but would rather pay way too much for a rider I like more.

Thoughts?

what sort of trade are you after? Im happy to take Dan Martin off you (670k) If you would take Ben Hermans off me (400k), so will save you 270k
Title: Astana Team Complete but always open for talks.
Post by: mrmetsman on November 14, 2012, 03:09:54 PM
With the signing of Allan Davis i got my squad for 2013.
I think ity's a good squad that can bring me some nice results next year.
But i'm always open for trade discussion.

So if you're interested in 1 of my riders and you got a tradeoffer send me a PM.
Title: Trade Block
Post by: Fus87 on November 22, 2012, 08:38:21 AM
I offer you the one, the only, the greatest cyclist since sliced bread: Peter Sagan!
He's awesome, he's young, he's got a magnificent future, he'll win classics by the dozen.

You'll get him for three years, and he'll be fully worth the ridiculous amounts of money you'll cushion his Slovakian bank account with.



Someone? Anyone?
I guess not. It was worth a try. :doh:

And to be fair, even if one of you jumped at this opportunity, I'm not certain I'd agree to a trade after all. He's just that good - but he better not get injured... :rool:
Title: Re: Anybody want Sagan?
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 22, 2012, 08:55:30 AM
I would but not at that price....

I went to 1.3M per year and you blew me out of the water! :P
Title: Re: Anybody want Sagan?
Post by: RenoDelft on November 22, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
I could get Sagan for Cavendish and Basso if it can help you  :rofl:
Title: Re: Astana Team Complete but always open for talks.
Post by: LostViking on January 17, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
This remains true, even though I'm pretty happy with most of the team.
If I had to part ways with any riders, it would probably be Boeckmans, Van Hummel, Bobridge or Viola - with Bobridge being the one I'd least want to get rid of.
Title: Re: Astana Team Complete but always open for talks.
Post by: Ace on January 17, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
I'll take Van Hummel and Viola if you want to clear cap room. If you are interested in any Lotto riders from your team i like Kruijswijk, Vanmarcke, Jungels, Slagter and Roche in that order.
Title: Porte available for trade (Lotto)
Post by: Ace on May 05, 2013, 10:22:32 AM
Team Lotto is willing to trade Richie Porte (210k) who is scheduled to lead at Bayern Rundfahrt (2.HC) before riding the Dauphine and Tour as Froome's deputy. He has the ability to propel a contending team towards the overall title.

Also available are a selection of sprinters, stage racers and riders for late season hilly classics as well as the versatile Greg Van Avermaet.

I'm looking for riders who are contracted through next season on attractive deals (pm me to discuss).

Full team here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdDZ2SGNnMWNpb09kdzRyNlJiajVtZlE&gid=68
Title: Re: Anybody want Sagan?
Post by: Fus87 on November 06, 2013, 04:54:12 AM
I offer you the one, the only, the greatest cyclist since sliced bread: Peter Sagan!
He's awesome, he's young, he's got a magnificent future, he'll win classics by the dozen.

You'll get him for three two years, and he'll be fully worth the ridiculous amounts of money you'll cushion his Slovakian bank account with.



Someone? Anyone?
If you're interested, make a trade offer via PM.
Title: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: Ace on November 10, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
I will take riders who are on a fair contract but who teams would like to move to free up salary cap space.

ps. Don't want Sagan, awesome but too expensive  :P
Title: Re: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 10, 2013, 01:36:54 PM
Ha, I don't suppose you fancy taking Alberto Clembutador? A snip at a mere 1.2m p.a.!

Ok, fair enough then.
Title: Ion Izagirre
Post by: Jux1893 on November 10, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
I think Ion Insausti Izagirre is at both Movistar and Lotto.

Not sure if one of them was supposed to be Gorka.
Title: Re: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: Jux1893 on November 10, 2013, 01:51:24 PM
I've got Hoogerland at 250k and Cunego at 550k

Not sure, however, if any of them can be counted as "fair" contracts.
Title: Re: Ion Izagirre
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2013, 09:21:55 PM
Sorry, but I'm not seeing him on Movistar? :o
Title: Re: Ion Izagirre
Post by: al_pacino on November 11, 2013, 06:43:30 AM
He was for a short while but that was fixed.
Title: Re: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: everseeker on November 19, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
Anyone interested in Simone Ponzi?

I don't know what i was thinking when offered 200k for this guy. I guess i got carried away with the biding.

Title: Re: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: Jux1893 on November 19, 2013, 10:39:48 AM
I guess i got carried away with the biding.

Been there.........and, after spending the last drips of budget, I realize I'm still there.
Title: Re: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: al_pacino on November 19, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Anyone interested in Simone Ponzi?

I don't know what i was thinking when offered 200k for this guy. I guess i got carried away with the biding.

Compared to Cobo(who I'm lumbered with) he'll score a load of points. Provided he's allowed to race of course.
Title: Re: Anyone looking to clear budget
Post by: everseeker on November 19, 2013, 11:34:05 AM
He will probably be allowed to race, I don't see that mantova investigation going anywhere. The question is, will they allow him to keep his points after the first time he has to pee in a cup?  :doh:
Title: Trade Block
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 17, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
He is available for 230K :disco:. Some others might also be on, PM me if interested.
Title: Wiggo for sale too
Post by: Garfield on November 20, 2014, 11:19:10 AM
I obviously don't hate the 210k+210k I have just given him, my plan is to watch him shine in Ronde van Vlaanderen, Paris-Roubaix, some short tours, and the Worlds again, maaaybe go yellow in Tour de France week 1, then check if he decides for another road season and that ITT Olympic Gold, otherwise use the free winter drop if it's just track or in case the age creeps in.

That being said, I miscalculated on a number of bigger deals and now that a couple of domino pieces haven't fallen as expected, simply don't have cash for enough 40-50k riders to fill up the squad. Thus the garage sale.

And hey, these babies are complimentary :taco:

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01558/SNN0101GX5-620_1558509a.jpg)
Title: Re: Wiggo for sale too
Post by: Joelsim on November 20, 2014, 12:24:58 PM
Wiggo! Wiggo!  :toast:
Title: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: Ace on November 27, 2014, 10:57:39 PM
Don't really want offcasts but if anyone wants to open up some budget i'll take on some decent riders who are overpaid.
Title: Re: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: derrudi on November 28, 2014, 05:19:11 AM
Chernetskiy & S. Dumoulin @210k
Title: Re: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: Joelsim on November 28, 2014, 07:22:50 AM
Johan Tschopp?
Title: Re: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 28, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
I have Markus(220), Gasparotto(210) or Bart de Clerq(230) to offer, but only want to sell 1 of them.
Title: Re: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: cranky on November 28, 2014, 02:25:14 PM
Gerald Ciolek @ 330K?
Title: Re: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 28, 2014, 02:53:49 PM
Jan 'This Is' Barta at 250? Or Chris Anker Sorenson at 210?

EDIT: hold on a sec though - what are the rules on contract extensions, i.e. if I now freed up some cash, could I use that to extend a contract on a rider I've succesfully bid on in this round? Or is there a time limit? If I can't, then them lads is off the menu.
Title: Lawson Craddock up for swap
Post by: Joelsim on November 29, 2014, 03:19:53 PM
May be up for swap for a different $30k rider (1 or 2 year contract acceptable)

Anyone interested in discussing?
Title: Re: Lotto looking to buy ;-)
Post by: Garfield on November 29, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
EDIT: hold on a sec though - what are the rules on contract extensions, i.e. if I now freed up some cash, could I use that to extend a contract on a rider I've succesfully bid on in this round? Or is there a time limit? If I can't, then them lads is off the menu.

I think it's much cleaner if you post it directly when the auction expires, sorry...
Title: Re: Lawson Craddock up for swap
Post by: derrudi on November 30, 2014, 05:15:21 AM
Tleubayev, Kozhatayev, Bolivar or Kohler for a swap with Craddock?
Title: Re: Lawson Craddock up for swap
Post by: Joelsim on November 30, 2014, 06:21:40 AM
Hmmm, none of them float my boat really
Title: Landa
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 30, 2014, 06:36:19 PM
Is free for a trade of the same value or less, or just free to a new home
Title: Re: Lawson Craddock up for swap
Post by: Joelsim on November 30, 2014, 07:56:41 PM
I'd swap for Soler
Title: Re: Wiggo for sale too
Post by: Joelsim on December 01, 2014, 06:54:11 PM
Looks like he may ride the Giro...
Title: Re: Wiggo for sale too
Post by: Garfield on December 02, 2014, 06:16:37 AM
http://youtu.be/bLBSoC_2IY8?t=5m49s
Title: Stig Broeckx
Post by: Joelsim on December 07, 2014, 01:03:40 PM
I have it on good authority that he is going to win Fleche, E3, Kuurne, Roma Maxima and probably La Grande Boucle.

Not bad for $30k.

Title: ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 08/06/1985 Movistar Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 12, 2014, 06:16:13 AM
Anyone interested in buying or swapping him? $150k.

3,500 points over the last 5 seasons.
Title: Re: ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 08/06/1985 Movistar Team
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 12, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
would take a chance on him for landa, but you don't have the cash....

Would take him along with vallee for landa?
Title: Re: ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 08/06/1985 Movistar Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 12, 2014, 12:46:00 PM
Not keen on Landa Tom. But I do like Van Genechten and one of your $50s. Don't mind which one.
Title: Re: ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 08/06/1985 Movistar Team
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 12, 2014, 04:12:01 PM
Think I will leave it as it is then, think Van Genechten will be a bargain, and need to gain riders not loose them
Title: Re: ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 08/06/1985 Movistar Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 13, 2014, 11:24:06 AM
He only exchanged emails with Stefano, nothing else.
Title: ROY Jrmy 22/06/1983 FDJ.fr for sale
Post by: Joelsim on December 30, 2014, 09:09:25 AM
Yours for $30k.

First come, first served.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 04, 2015, 02:11:21 PM
Up for sale

Jeremy Roy        $30k
Amets Txurruka  $30k
Gregory Rast      $30k

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 09, 2015, 09:54:58 AM
Roy has been swapped, so just these two left

Amets Txurruka  $30k
Gregory Rast      $30k

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 09, 2015, 03:29:20 PM
The only offer I can make is those 2 + Rojas for Landa
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 09, 2015, 04:24:59 PM
I don't think that would be a clever move on my part TER
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 10, 2015, 04:53:03 AM
Wasn't necessarily saying it would be clever, I just dont have many cheap riders and I have a lack of numbers so was worth throwing it out there
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 11, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
Amets Txurruka  $30k

Averaged over 300 points per season for the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: BluesBrothers on January 18, 2015, 05:46:16 PM
For the new people only in our league i have Barry Markus(220) or Bart de Clerq(230) for sale. 1 max a team. Maybey a other rider is also for sale.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2015, 05:47:47 PM
Sorry, no trades with ProConti teams. We'll go with a draft after all :)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 20, 2015, 10:27:22 AM
Up for swap.

Txurruka $30k
Rojas $150k
Ferrari $50k
Rast $30k

Happy to consider an offer of a lesser rider and cash for Rojas if any of you have spare money that you can't spend.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: oliveira on January 20, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Up for swap.

Txurruka $30k
Rojas $150k
Ferrari $50k
Rast $30k

Happy to consider an offer of a lesser rider and cash for Rojas if any of you have spare money that you can't spend.

I don't think we can trade on money, only on riders. ie we can't change the 5000k budget. That said I can offer you any of my 50k riders apart Andr Cardoso for Rojas. And that way you would free 100k.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 23, 2015, 07:59:05 AM
Anyone want Craddock?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Anyone want Craddock?

Please note that the part that Joel omitted is that Craddock got very seriously injured earlier today:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-down-under-crash-update-craddock-breaks-sternum-manzin-porte-and-others-down
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 23, 2015, 12:28:11 PM
Oh yes, so he has  :DL:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2015, 12:30:16 PM
Oh yes, so he has  :DL:

Please try to remember to inform people from the beginning next time, we're trying to keep it friendly :)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 29, 2015, 06:48:34 AM
Craddock still up for sale or swap. He should be back on a bike in a month or so after his crash. $30k.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on January 29, 2015, 06:54:55 AM
Could you please link your source on that amazing recovery timeline?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 29, 2015, 07:22:48 AM
He's back in the US recovering and the team have stated that it could've been a lot worse. Realistically he isn't going to be race fit for 3 months I suspect. But even in that scenario he would still have May, June, July, August, September and October. For $30k.

I'm not trying to hoodwink anyone, it's a gamble whenever you trade. I have probably lost out this week swapping Rojas but that is part of the fun...

He could be an absolute bargain, likewise he may not be.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on January 29, 2015, 07:27:18 AM
Fair enough, just checking. I'm afraid I find "he should be back on a bike in a month" misleading, because it sounds like somebody actually said so, which is not true.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on February 02, 2015, 07:43:12 PM
Up for sale...

Txurruka $30k
Craddock $30k
Denifl $60k
Ferrari $50k

Only want to sell one of these guys really.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on April 03, 2015, 11:03:50 AM
Swaps or sales available.

Txurruka
Craddock
Ferrari
Denifl

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on April 04, 2015, 06:57:55 AM
Craddock not available any more.

Anyone fancy a Ferrari?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on May 26, 2015, 06:12:35 PM
I'll take Landa off you TER
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on May 27, 2015, 02:08:19 AM
Think I'll keep Joel
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on October 04, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
Tom Van Asbroeck up for sale for next season.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on October 12, 2015, 07:10:47 AM
Garage sale at :RadioShack: too:

For free:
WIGGINS Bradley
VANENDERT Jelle
DEMARE Arnaud

For very little:
CHAVANEL Sylvain

For something borderline useful:
MOLLEMA Bauke
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on October 12, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
One question, do we get a free drop still?

Also if you drop a rider are you allowed to bid on them when they go up for auction?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on October 12, 2015, 03:51:26 PM
Let me cite the rules (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=43672.msg919959#new):

Releasing players
You cannot get rid of any contract during the season.
After each season, you may scratch 1 contract from your team.
You cannot bid on the player you have dropped from your team in the same offseason.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Rashadabd5 on October 13, 2015, 11:46:51 AM
I am in if you still have room. I would love to have MTN Qhubeka/Dimension Data if they are available. Otherwise BMC, Ettix, Movistar,  Trek or whoever will do
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: derrudi on October 13, 2015, 04:13:08 PM
@joelsim: Van Asbroeck; I'm Interested
@Garfield: Demare, Mollema; I'm interested

So how does this work again? Do I take over their contracts as they are now or can I modify them?

*edited because I looked at the FAQ*
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Florry on October 13, 2015, 05:31:32 PM
Garage sale at :RadioShack: too:

For free:
WIGGINS Bradley
VANENDERT Jelle
DEMARE Arnaud

For very little:
CHAVANEL Sylvain

For something borderline useful:
MOLLEMA Bauke
How does this work? I would like Demare on my team but do I have to wait till the bidding phase starts?

Also I recall Joel telling me Alberto's contract will be up at the end of 2015, I hope this is true and I can get him  :win: :win: :win:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on October 13, 2015, 05:58:07 PM
Flo: You can either take Demare on the contract he is on at the moment in the Radioshack team for 1 year, or you can hope that Garfield gets rid and then you can bid on him. Contador will be on the open market as his contract with Lotto has ended so we will all have to bid for him on Nov 1st.

Derrudi: If you want Van Asbroeck then start a thread and I will agree to it.

 
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on October 13, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
@Garfield: Demare; I'm interested

So how does this work again? Do I take over their contracts as they are now or can I modify them?

The former.

How does this work? I would like Demare on my team but do I have to wait till the bidding phase starts?

You don't have to wait, he's under contract, all yours if you want him.

Derrudi asked first. Since I can't think of a better solution, I'll go chronological: would you like to have him, or should Florry?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: derrudi on October 14, 2015, 09:17:46 AM
The contract for demare is pretty steep, 720K. About a quarter of my remaining budget for 2016. I think I'll pass, although I do believe he will improve next season.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Florry on October 14, 2015, 10:51:38 AM
Okay I will take Demare, my team is still completely empty so I have all my budget left  :judge: I will have approximately 4M left to throw at Alberto which should be enough :win: :thumbsup: :toast:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: joecool37 on October 15, 2015, 05:54:23 PM
The Pro Conti Teams start with empty roster in the new season as they are World Tour Teams, correct?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on October 15, 2015, 09:54:12 PM
The Pro Conti Teams start with empty roster in the new season as they are World Tour Teams, correct?

The only riders on any teams for 2016 are those given 2/3 year contracts in 2015 (or 3 year contracts in 2014) who haven't been released.

All PC contracts were 1 year, 20k.

ps. Trash Talking (which should probably be renamed as General Discussion) is the best place to ask a quick question rather than the trade block ;-)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
I'm debating in my mind whether to put Cav up for swap. If anyone is interested PM me and I'll have a look at potential swaps.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 07:35:37 PM
Deal.

Topsport to take Cav.

BMC to take Gougeard, Taaramae and Bernard in exchange.

I agree.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 06, 2015, 07:38:34 PM
 :iatp: :judge: :taco: :winner:
(I agree)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
I have a horrible feeling about this, that Cav will win the Worlds this year, a sprinters course.

Oh well, in for a penny...

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 06, 2015, 07:42:02 PM
I'm just happy he's in my team :-)
I wish him the yellow jersey in TdF, and many other victories off course ...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
I'm just happy he's in my team :-)
I wish him the yellow jersey in TdF, and many other victories off course ...

Good luck.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 08, 2015, 03:49:12 AM
Grega Bole could be swapped if anyone is interested  :toast:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on November 09, 2015, 11:34:53 AM
Novo Nordisk gets Preidler and 60K
Vacansoleil gets Bole
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 09, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
Novo Nordisk gets Preidler and 60K
Vacansoleil gets Bole
confirm  :judge: :toast:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 09, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
Anyone up for a swap?
Went away for the weekend, and still have 8 free spots...
Need some fillers.

Simon Spilak and Vasil Kyriyenka don't feel good in a flemish farmers team. Perhaps they can swap with someone?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2015, 09:59:23 AM
I like all my salaries, but as usual got a bit excited about those spring classics, and now might own 9-10 guys for AGR and LBL. Thus I'll entertain any sensible salary dumps offers for:

Vanendert (210k) - for another slightly overpaid rider
Guldhammer (130k), Gerts (2x210k), Chavanel (270k) - for a nice contract in 30k-330k range
Rebellin (80k) - for a nice rider aged 1-43 ;)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 10, 2015, 04:19:32 PM
 :Trade: :Trade: :Trade: :Trade: :Trade: :Trade: :Trade: :Trade:

I'm not hugely happy at having two Roompotters, and would be be willing to let Barry Markus go. A snip for a promising young sprinter at a pro conti (60k). Sensible trade offers considered too, though I don't have much extra budget.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on November 10, 2015, 09:24:26 PM
Vacansoleil gets Spilak
Vlaanderen gets EBH and Sprengers
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 10, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
Super!
Thanks.
Nice to know you while negociating :-)
Good Luck in the game!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 11, 2015, 07:23:58 AM
I may listen to offers for Damiano Caruso. It would have to be the same value or cheaper as I have zero cashish.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2015, 12:02:20 PM
I would have traded for Caruso but I dont have anyone I can trade
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on November 11, 2015, 12:40:42 PM
Vlaanderen gets De Bie
Vacansoleil gets Elisonde
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 11, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
Agree!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on November 12, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
IAM gets Lagutin
Vacansoleil gets Markus
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 12, 2015, 05:19:22 PM
IAM gets Lagutin
Vacansoleil gets Markus

Agreed  :agent:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 13, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
I filled my team with 30 riders.
But I have 160k$ of cash left.
I see teams who are low on riders ...

So if you want to swap one of my cheap riders, for a perhaps overpaid and more expensive rider just send me a message. We'll negociate a deal.
That way you can buy some more riders. There are still some interesting cyclists on the market ... And I will hopefully use my complete budget.

 :toth:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 14, 2015, 11:49:49 AM
BMC get Sarreau
Vlaanderen get D Caruso

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 14, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
 :iatp:
yeey
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 15, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
Vasil Kiryienka, world champion time trial is still for sale : 210k$
 :taco:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: al_pacino on November 16, 2015, 05:29:11 AM
Vasil Kiryienka, world champion time trial is still for sale : 210k$
 :taco:

I'll have him at Movistar.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 16, 2015, 07:15:18 AM
 :veto:
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I'll have him at Movistar.

Sorry, I don't see anyone in your team I want to swap with ...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 27, 2015, 01:33:26 PM
Anyone fancy Marc Sarreau for 90k? I want to release some budget.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: al_pacino on November 27, 2015, 04:46:47 PM
Anyone fancy Marc Sarreau for 90k? I want to release some budget.


I'll take him. Budget is the one thing I have loads of.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 27, 2015, 05:36:42 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on February 06, 2016, 01:25:19 PM
Does anyone want to do a swap for Michael Valgren?

I don't have cash so it would have to be the same value or less.

Or buy Logan Owen for 30k?



Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on February 11, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
Logan Owen up for sale, just 30k.

Young sprinter who can climb and already has a win in last year's Larry H Miller Utah, and an 8th in Paris Roubaix Espoirs.

He's also particularly good at CX but is now concentrating on road and will race California, Utah and USA Pro Challenge.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on February 11, 2016, 08:07:35 PM
I would like to buy him, but have 30 riders already.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on February 15, 2016, 03:51:19 PM
Ruben Zepuntke available for 60k.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on February 16, 2016, 05:55:00 AM
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He's also particularly good at CX but is now concentrating on road and will race California, Utah and USA Pro Challenge.

USA Pro race wont be organised this year ...

And sorry, I to have my 30 riders already.

I could swap Valgren for Bart De Clercq, that's the only match I have for you, but I think De Clercq will score more then Valgren. So i'm not interested, sorry  :toth:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on February 16, 2016, 06:31:44 AM
USA Pro race wont be organised this year ...

And sorry, I to have my 30 riders already.

I could swap Valgren for Bart De Clercq, that's the only match I have for you, but I think De Clercq will score more then Valgren. So i'm not interested, sorry  :toth:

Early contender for oddest post of the year Mr Duck. You're quackers!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on February 16, 2016, 09:57:30 AM
? :-)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on March 15, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
Logan Owen up for sale at 30k.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Canto on March 16, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
As I need to rebuild the Saxo team (10 riders for the year is a bit light!!!) I am quite open to deal Degenkolb for some riderSSSS. I will look for a mix of young / experience riders
Someone ??
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on March 16, 2016, 11:23:36 AM
As I need to rebuild the Saxo team (10 riders for the year is a bit light!!!) I am quite open to deal Degenkolb for some riderSSSS. I will look for a mix of young / experience riders
Someone ??

Forgive the micro-management and the hand-holding, but since you're quite new, please be so kind and run (via PM) the best offer you get for any of your guys through the league office. You weren't there for the auctions, so I can imagine it's difficult for you to assess who's over/underpaid. I wouldn't like anybody to rip you off, and I wouldn't like the season outcome decided by some fishy trades. Thanks for your understanding :toth:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on April 17, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
Ruben Zepuntke available for 60k.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on April 18, 2016, 07:57:00 AM
Ruben Zepunkte available for 60k
Michael Carbel available for 30k
Nicholas Marini available for 50k
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on April 19, 2016, 09:07:57 AM
Saxobank and Vacansoleil have agreed the next deal after quite some negotiations:

To Vacansoleil goes: Degenkolb and Trentin
To Saxobank goes: Bouhanni, Spilak, Breschel and Gogl

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Canto on April 19, 2016, 09:30:39 AM
Fine for the Tinkof Saxo
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on April 19, 2016, 10:18:45 AM
OK that's done.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on May 02, 2016, 06:17:23 PM
Vacansoleil is searching for a swap for Castroviejo (210k_2years)

As I have some money left I;m looking for a rider around 300k.

Also a good trade between a rider of 210 and a lower paid rider could be possible.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 09:55:45 AM
Gougeard sold to Astana. 270k for one year.

I agree.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Poll on November 03, 2016, 11:25:29 AM
Astana agree to buy Gougeard out of his contract and release him from a frustrating time at BMC.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 11:48:46 AM
Astana agree to buy Gougeard out of his contract and release him from a frustrating time at BMC.

I sold Cav this time last year after a poor season...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 11:58:17 AM
How about we only trade with people who have been around for more than 5 minutes?
You're clearly taking advantage of a newcomer :(
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 01:18:16 PM
How about we only trade with people who have been around for more than 5 minutes?
You're clearly taking advantage of a newcomer :(

No I'm not. Poll is more knowledgable about cycling than I am. Gougeard was ill for much of last season, the year before he scored over 500 CQ points.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 01:32:12 PM
No I'm not. Poll is more knowledgable about cycling than I am.

This has nothing to do with cycling, much more with pure mathematics.
But in order to be much more fair than your under-the-table trade talks with noobs deserve it, I'll make you a deal:
if after Neil signs other riders for at least 4000, he comes back here and posts that he still wants the kid, I'll allow it.
After all, anybody who understands the rules and the market value of riders can blow their money exactly the way they like.

Gougeard was ill for much of last season, the year before he scored over 500 CQ points.

Let's relax, he scored 136 and then 107. He's on a contract so horrible even winning PR won't justify it.
And actually, I honestly don't care if he scores 3000 next season.
I want to make a point about how none of us should take advantage of anybody who is unexperienced.
So for now, try selling all that potential for greatness to an experienced GM. Let's see how that goes.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 01:46:53 PM
This has nothing to do with cycling, much more with pure mathematics.
But in order to be much more fair than your under-the-table trade talks with noobs deserve it, I'll make you a deal:
if after Neil signs other riders for at least 4000, he comes back here and posts that he still wants the kid, I'll allow it.
After all, anybody who understands the rules and the market value of riders can blow their money exactly the way they like.

Let's relax, he scored 136 and then 107. He's on a contract so horrible even winning PR won't justify it.
And actually, I honestly don't care if he scores 3000 next season.
I want to make a point about how none of us should take advantage of anybody who is unexperienced.
So for now, try selling all that potential for greatness to an experienced GM. Let's see how that goes.

Frankly mate I think you're being ridiculous. I offered him to 3 people at the same time, saying does anyone want him before I put him up for sale on this thread. I've not forced him on anyone, nor have I tried to take advantage of anyone.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 01:50:35 PM
I offered him to 3 people at the same time, saying does anyone want him before I put him up for sale on this thread.

Also, by the way, please don't do that again.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
Also, by the way, please don't do that again.

So, you're now saying that we can't sound people about about buying and selling riders?

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 01:54:45 PM
So, you're now saying that we can't sound people about about buying and selling riders?

Should I really explain to you the concept of fairness?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 01:58:37 PM
Should I really explain to you the concept of fairness?

I'm not sure I get you on this. Fair enough if a manager was leaving the game and I poached Gaviria for 30k, but this is hardly the same. I've swapped loads of riders over the past two years, last year it cost me big time swapping Cav for 3 riders with Davy.

Anyway I've asked Poll to look at this thread and respond. If he now wants to stop the deal, as you seem so outraged, then that is fine by me, I'm more than happy to keep Gougeard as he is a big talent.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 02:11:15 PM
I'm not sure I get you on this.

OK, I'll explain the concept of fairness then: presenting any opportunity to your friends before everybody else is not fair.
Next time, to be on the safe side, just post in this thread "I'm looking to offload Gougeard. Preferably to a GM with little understanding of market value."
Then you can still only discuss it further with your friends, but at least it will appear like the game is not rigged.

If he now wants to stop the deal, as you seem so outraged, then that is fine by me, I'm more than happy to keep Gougeard as he is a big talent.

What deal? There is no deal, I'm afraid. My job here is to protect the noobs from this kind of stuff.
He has not enough information to assess the market value objectively. Thus my postponement proposal.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 02:14:08 PM
OK, I'll explain the concept of fairness then: presenting any opportunity to your friends before everybody else is not fair.
Next time, to be on the safe side, just post in this thread "I'm looking to offload Gougeard. Preferably to a GM with little understanding of market value."
Then you can still only discuss it further with your friends, but at least it will appear like the game is not rigged.

What deal? There is no deal, I'm afraid. My job here is to protect the noobs from this kind of stuff.
He has not enough information to assess the market value objectively. Thus my postponement proposal.

OK, then you need to remove my latest bids on Grosu and Chernetskiy as I don't have the budget to cover them.

EDIT: Done it, don't worry.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 02:31:21 PM
OK, then you need to remove my latest bids on Barbier, Grosu and Chernetskiy as I don't have the budget to cover them.

Were my Grosu and Chernetskiy overbids and your Barbier edit sufficient after all?

(btw when editing, the most transparent way is to add a new line)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 02:32:36 PM
Barbier I can cover, hence why not altered and that was the first bid I did.

You've sorted the others now.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Florry on November 03, 2016, 02:32:48 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 02:35:58 PM
Barbier I can cover, hence why not altered and that was the first bid I did.

Thanks. Apologies for the micro-management.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Florry on November 03, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
I was a noob last year and got Demare for 720k from Garfield :doh:
wasn't that a similar situation?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 02:51:47 PM
I was a noob last year and got Demare for 720k from Garfield :doh:
wasn't that a similar situation?

Very good question!

Demare timeline:
1. Publicly posted for sale on the trade block.
2. Rudmer publicly posts he's interested.
3. You wisely ask publicly how it works exactly.
4. We publicly explain.
5. For lack of better ideas, I publicly propose "first come first served".
6. Rudmer publicly posts it's too steep for him after all.
7. After more than 48 hours of this debate, you publicly decide to pull the trigger.

Note that I'm not saying they cannot make the trade!!! I'm merely saying I want to give Neil another week or so to realize what riders are worth, what races are scored etc etc. I've never talked to the guy about any of this. And I don't know him personally. And today I read is that the first decision he makes is to bail out a friend who introduced him to the game 5 minutes ago...

The history of fantasy sports is rich with unfortunate noobs who made horrible decisions on day 1 due to sheer eagerness, natural ignorance, or misplaced gratitude. My main job here is to prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Poll on November 03, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
Ok can we all calm down. Firstly thanks to Garfield for stepping in and making a point. There are two things here so lets deal with them in turn.

1 - Offering AG to a few "friends" prior to posting. If this isn't fair then happy to wait to allow other players a chance to see it, however from what I have read you cant bid on riders on a trade so not sure how to make that part fair - it is first come first served albeit that I was bound to be "first come" if Joel had flagged the trade to me.

2 - My naivety - Yep perhaps I am, however it is my first season so I have already chalked the whole season down to experience, especially where all the big GT and one day hitters (GVA, Froome, Valv et al) are tied into contracts. I haven't sat down and applied some maths to any of this I am going purely on gut, on riders I like - yep naive and I will probably finish last but it will be good to cheer on riders I like knowing they might get a few points for me rather than spend time poring over formulas of obscure riders from Turkey riding in the far east whose point to coefficient means I need to get them for less than 60k. AG is a rider I like, ever since he took a stage at 2015 Vuelta - I can provide proof if you need it Garfield but best done on PM otherwise it might blow the tiny attempt at a bidding strategy I have.  However do appreciate your points on trying to be fair.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 04:06:44 PM
Ok can we all calm down. Firstly thanks to Garfield for stepping in and making a point. There are two things here so lets deal with them in turn.

1 - Offering AG to a few "friends" prior to posting. If this isn't fair then happy to wait to allow other players a chance to see it, however from what I have read you cant bid on riders on a trade so not sure how to make that part fair - it is first come first served albeit that I was bound to be "first come" if Joel had flagged the trade to me.

2 - My naivety - Yep perhaps I am, however it is my first season so I have already chalked the whole season down to experience, especially where all the big GT and one day hitters (GVA, Froome, Valv et al) are tied into contracts. I haven't sat down and applied some maths to any of this I am going purely on gut, on riders I like - yep naive and I will probably finish last but it will be good to cheer on riders I like knowing they might get a few points for me rather than spend time poring over formulas of obscure riders from Turkey riding in the far east whose point to coefficient means I need to get them for less than 60k. AG is a rider I like, ever since he took a stage at 2015 Vuelta - I can provide proof if you need it Garfield but best done on PM otherwise it might blow the tiny attempt at a bidding strategy I have.  However do appreciate your points on trying to be fair.

I like the points you're making.
Re 1: indeed, that comment was exclusively for future reference.
Re 2: can we agree your gut will be much more experienced within a week or two? That's where the postponement idea stems from.

While I have no problem with your chalking the whole season down to experience, do note that such a bailout trade can shape the top of the rankings too.
The more experienced GM's go quite deep into the maths, and trust me when I say multiple people might have allowed Kristoff to join :BMC: the other day partially influenced by Gougeard's optimistic contract.

That being said, I'm merely asking you for some patience here, as the learning curve is quite steep.
Once you have a better feeling of what kind of expected score your money can bring, you can then decide to proceed with your trade or call it off.
Fair enough?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
I like the points you're making.
Re 1: indeed, that comment was exclusively for future reference.
Re 2: can we agree your gut will be much more experienced within a week or two? That's where the postponement idea stems from.

While I have no problem with your chalking the whole season down to experience, do note that such a bailout trade can shape the top of the rankings too.
The more experienced GM's go quite deep into the maths, and trust me when I say multiple people might have allowed Kristoff to join :BMC: the other day partially influenced by Gougeard's optimistic contract.

That being said, I'm merely asking you for some patience here, as the learning curve is quite steep.
Once you have a better feeling of what kind of expected score your money can bring, you can then decide to proceed with your trade or call it off.
Fair enough?

There isn't the option to postpone the deal as all the riders who I want to bid on will have been bought Daniel. But hey. I'm not bothered in keeping him, he's extremely highly regarded.


Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 04:17:17 PM
There isn't the option to postpone the deal as all the riders who I want to bid on will have been bought Daniel.

I don't believe so. As far as I know you, I suspect you want to bid on 7853 different riders.
You've spent the last couple of seasons contracting riders and then immediately placing them on the trade block in order to contract other riders.

Especially because of how small your roster is going to be, you will very easily find amazing value for your money if you get this extra injection of cash in a week or two.

But sure, keep him if that's your preference.

Even though I'm messing with your team, I'm doing what I believe to be the fair thing for the entire community.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Poll on November 03, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
I like the points you're making.
Re 1: indeed, that comment was exclusively for future reference.
Re 2: can we agree your gut will be much more experienced within a week or two? That's where the postponement idea stems from.

While I have no problem with your chalking the whole season down to experience, do note that such a bailout trade can shape the top of the rankings too.
The more experienced GM's go quite deep into the maths, and trust me when I say multiple people might have allowed Kristoff to join :BMC: the other day partially influenced by Gougeard's optimistic contract.

That being said, I'm merely asking you for some patience here, as the learning curve is quite steep.
Once you have a better feeling of what kind of expected score your money can bring, you can then decide to proceed with your trade or call it off.
Fair enough?

As I say - I am happy to have him at that salary, however I accept that in review that yes some people may have let Kristoff go to Joel knowing it hamstrung him for the rest of the bidding. AG being sold suddenly opens up new funds and could change the game. I know I am new so probably need to mind my own - but perhaps during main bidding phase that all trades should be off the table?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2016, 05:27:51 PM
I am happy to have him at that salary

My entire point is that it must be very difficult for you at this point to assess what an appropriate salary is.
The rest of us have much more information and experience. It is not an accident you were approached in private.

perhaps during main bidding phase that all trades should be off the table?

Personally, I don't think we need to be this harsh on a global scale. But I wonder what others think.

Again, I will not reject the trade. All I ask for is slight postponement, after which either one of you could reassess if based on what you've learned through those 300 auctions you still like the original trade idea. (And it's not anything I've invented today to mess with you. In many fantasy leagues, new people are strictly forbidden from trading during the first couple of weeks, so that they don't shoot themselves in the foot while distorting the competitive balance reached over the past years.)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 05:31:47 PM
Wasn't quite in private as per the email I sent to you. 3 players were on the public tweet, one of whom finished 2nd in the league last year.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 03, 2016, 05:59:43 PM
Following the discussion... Completely agree on Garfield.
If you ask opinion. I believe there should not be trades during the bidwar. When the market calms down and rosters are filled people can start think about swapping. That way you have an overview of your teams and other teams. Why would I swap now? I haven't contracted one single rider so I have no idea what or who to swap and why.

PS: the mentioned cavendish-Gougeard-deal last year was done when my roster was filled.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: cranky on November 03, 2016, 07:05:27 PM
Much the same as Davy, I agree with Garfield.

I'd be happy to postpone trades until after teams are 90% filled. Also I agree that all trade offers should be done in public to ensure transparency and to ensure fairness.

Joel has offered me some pretty shocking trades in the past, my favourite was Alaphilippe for Craddock  :doh: I don't think anything dodgy has gone on here, but think lessons should be learned for future fair play.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 07:20:18 PM
Much the same as Davy, I agree with Garfield.

I'd be happy to postpone trades until after teams are 90% filled. Also I agree that all trade offers should be done in public to ensure transparency and to ensure fairness.

Joel has offered me some pretty shocking trades in the past, my favourite was Alaphilippe for Craddock  :doh: I don't think anything dodgy has gone on here, but think lessons should be learned for future fair play.

Can't believe you didn't take me up on Alaphilippe for Craddock. Can't remember that one anyway.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 04, 2016, 02:40:15 AM
As far as trades go I dont normally do them

However I have the opposite view, the whole reason for a party to want to trade is to raise capital to buy a rider who is on the market therefore to me suspending trades whilst bidding is on going totally defeats the object of having the option to trade (in the main anyway).

also as for bad trades, (ok maybe i agree slightly in terms of new players) but whatever people want to offer up as a trade is fine, its up to the other player to see that as good or bad, however shocking others may think it is, as people also acquire riders because they like them as much as there value worth, the market value for any rider would not be this high if all people went on pure value and maths alone.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2016, 08:24:00 AM
Willing to murder my 2017 season for some 2018 potential. Thus something along the lines of Andersen (300-600 points for free, could win the league seeing how close we all end up) plus any of my excellent 1-year contracts you fancy, in exchange for your recent first-round neo plus another top talent born in the nineties. Hot me up with a PM within the next couple of hours, first come first served.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Btw Neil has been with us for a week now, and should have a basic understanding of the points/salary ratio.
Like I promised: both him and Joel have a chance to reconsider the Gougeard trade, but I have no problem with it going through.
Let me know?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2016, 12:34:48 PM
OK, thanks for all your offers. In the end the best one I got came from :Vlaanderen: Davy, who somehow managed to talk me into this:

Jansen + Coquard (aka 2018 talents) + Moreno + Kiryienka (aka deadwood)

for

whichever 1-year contracts he fancies on my team :agent:

I trust he will announce his list by replying here soon, thus making this official.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 07, 2016, 04:08:23 PM
I agree on the deal.
With much pain in the heart I say goodbye to my 2 supertalents, and welcome:

ANDERSEN Sren Kragh
MEURISSE Xandro
VERMOTE Julien
DEHAES Kenny
VANSPEYBROUCK Pieter
POWLESS Neilson
POZZATO Filippo
ARASHIRO Yukiya
CUNEGO Damiano
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 07, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
As my team is getting full, and I have still a lot of money left, I'm looking for swapping.
I want to swap one (or more of my riders) for more expensive riders.
Feel free to make a suggestion.
Greetz.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2016, 07:51:44 AM
Since I'm going all in on 2018, every single rider on a 1-year contract can be traded away.
I can additionally take on a bad 1-year salary, if you need me to.

In return, I'd like somebody born in the nineties and signed for 2 years.

On sale:

GERTS Floris
DE TIER Floris
MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel
KIRYIENKA Vasil
And later today also most probably Ruffoni, van Lerbesomethingsomething, Hollestein, Kuznetsov, Grosu, Juul Jensen, Vichot, Impey.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2016, 09:45:27 AM
Rumour has it good ol' Dani Moreno has found a new home mere 24 hours later!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on November 08, 2016, 09:55:58 AM
Rumour has it good ol' Dani Moreno has found a new home mere 24 hours later!

Welcome to :Lotto:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2016, 02:18:45 PM
Turbulent times continue:

:RadioShack: Hollestein + Kiryienka (290) for :IAM: Schachmann + Arredondo + van Keirsbulck (480)

(I do have enough unused budget to eat up the difference.)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 08, 2016, 03:07:35 PM
Turbulent times continue:

:RadioShack: Hollestein + Kiryienka (290) for :IAM: Schachmann + Arredondo + van Keirsbulck (480)

(I do have enough unused budget to eat up the difference.)

I APPROVE  :judge: :judge: :judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 08, 2016, 05:19:19 PM
Xandro Meurisse and Rein Taaramae are going to swap teams.
From Topsport Vlaanderen to BMC and vice versa, if Joel approves ...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2016, 05:39:21 PM
Go on then. I know it'll bite me in the arse.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 09, 2016, 05:09:10 AM
:RadioShack: Uran and :Vlaanderen: Debusschere swap teams. They get stronger, we get younger.

In a separate transaction, :RadioShack: eats up the deadly Felline contract with Ravasi as a consolation, while :MTN: get Juul Jensen and de Tier.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 09, 2016, 05:12:56 AM
Okay
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 09, 2016, 05:55:46 AM
Does anyone have a Luka Mezgec-shaped hole in their squad? He's on a 210 contract (second year). I'd be willing to trade for someone on a smaller contract.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: scrooll7 on November 09, 2016, 07:18:54 AM

In a separate transaction, :RadioShack: eats up the deadly Felline contract with Ravasi as a consolation, while :MTN: get Juul Jensen and de Tier.
Confirm that
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 09, 2016, 04:43:00 PM
I'm placing Bakelants up for a swap, and also De Clercq, arashiro and powless.
Make me an offer. If I'm wowed I consider it.
(goal is to swap bakelants for 2 +200k-salaries)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on November 10, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
Lotto can take on some slightly inflated 1 year contracts for free.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 10, 2016, 02:34:03 PM
Rumours of a Mezgec transfer from IAM to Lotto intensify...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2016, 02:42:28 PM
In otday's edition of getting rid of anybody old enough to buy beer legally:

Vichot (good) :RadioShack: => :Vlaanderen:
Powless (cheap) :Vlaanderen: => :RadioShack:

Zabel (bad contract) & Frankiny (consolation) :Vacansoleil: => :RadioShack:
Ruffoni & van Lerberghe (good for their price) :RadioShack: => :Vacansoleil:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 10, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
Yeah yeah.
I have to spend my spare budget somewhere ... :-)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: glomser on November 10, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
In otday's edition of getting rid of anybody old enough to buy beer legally:

Vichot (good) :RadioShack: => :Vlaanderen:
Powless (cheap) :Vlaanderen: => :RadioShack:

Zabel (bad contract) & Frankiny (consolation) :Vacansoleil: => :RadioShack:
Ruffoni & van Lerberghe (good for their price) :RadioShack: => :Vacansoleil:

Correct
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2016, 04:39:59 PM
And since it's so much fun, here's another one:

:FDJ: Oliveira (yikes) + Ponzi (yiiikes) + Albanese (total 450) for :RadioShack: Grosu (what a day, first win of the season after a horrible disease, and then a transfer to a top team!) + Naesen (410 total)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: LosBrolin on November 11, 2016, 01:04:24 AM
And since it's so much fun, here's another one:

:FDJ: Oliveira (yikes) + Ponzi (yiiikes) + Albanese (total 450) for :RadioShack: Grosu (what a day, first win of the season after a horrible disease, and then a transfer to a top team!) + Naesen (410 total)

 :judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 11, 2016, 06:32:41 AM
Agreed transfer: Mezgec from IAM to Lotto
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on November 11, 2016, 08:30:37 AM
Agreed transfer: Mezgec from IAM to Lotto

Confirm

Hopefully with Matthews gone he might get some chances to sprint.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 11, 2016, 02:21:07 PM
I'm looking to raise a bit of cash. Anyone fancy Simon Clarke for 100k? Would consider a swap for someone cheaper.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 11, 2016, 05:15:06 PM
Just a small one tonight: Kuznetsov to Topsport, Arashiro back to the Shacksters :judge:

Now let's try to spend that extra cash well! Maybe somebody wants to dump a bad contract on my team? I've been accepting the most abhorrent ones and I'll continue to do so, as long as they are 1 year long.

Also, available for free:
210         GERTS Floris
240         ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David
210         VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume
680         FELLINE Fabio
210         ZABEL Rick
210         OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes
210         PONZI Simone
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 11, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
Done deal!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 12, 2016, 05:41:35 AM
Simon Clarke is off to Lotto.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on November 12, 2016, 05:52:59 AM
Simon Clarke is off to Lotto.

Confirm

Hopefully he's in good early season form.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2016, 06:30:35 AM
Van Kie... Keis... Keirsbr... :doh:
GVK to :Movistar: :judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: al_pacino on November 12, 2016, 06:38:52 AM
:toth:

let's see how he goes.

 :judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2016, 07:04:07 AM
...which effectively leaves :RadioShack: with $300 to absorb bad contracts.
Just shoot me a PM and tell me what's in it for me #2018
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2016, 08:33:14 AM
The new deals keep coming :taco:

Oliveira joining :Lampre: (why am I not surprised? :rofl:)

Coquard to :BMC: for Bananito (yuck) + Gougeard (yuck) + Wouters (consolation)
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 12, 2016, 08:37:03 AM
The new deals keep coming :taco:

Oliveira joining :Lampre: (why am I not surprised? :rofl:)

Coquard to :BMC: for Bananito (yuck) + Gougeard (yuck) + Wouters (consolation)

Confirmed.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: oliveira on November 12, 2016, 08:39:15 AM
Oliveira joining :Lampre: (why am I not surprised? :rofl:)

I tried to resist...

:judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 12, 2016, 08:41:02 AM
I shall resist...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2016, 08:47:52 AM
Update: :RadioShack: now with $490 to spend on your horrible contracts.
Just shoot me a PM and tell me what's in it for me #2018

Giving away for free:
GERTS Floris
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
GOUGEARD Alexis
ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David
FELLINE Fabio
ZABEL Rick
PONZI Simone

Will trade:
ARASHIRO Yukiya

Will trade for 2017 neos only:
FORMOLO Davide
JUNGELS Bob
VILLELLA Davide
SMITH Dion
DEBUSSCHERE Jens
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 12, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
I didn't resist. My team is now extremely short in numbers!

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Canto on November 12, 2016, 09:38:58 AM
If anyone has money and interest for D Van Poppel (500 contract), I am open for trade.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 13, 2016, 10:37:35 AM
If anyone has money and interest for D Van Poppel (500 contract), I am open for trade.

You won't be shocked when I announce that :RadioShack: adopted seor vPoppel, together with Costa.
Craddock, Arndt, and Powless going in the other direction :judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Canto on November 13, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
Fine' for me. happy to let VanPoppel find a new family with his nice contract
 :toast:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 14, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
Another one: two "future French TdF winners" in :Sky: Sicard & :RadioShack: Rolland switch teams, but perhaps it's the other two included in the deal - :RadioShack: Formolo & :Sky: Guerreiro - who will shape the future of Grand Tours? :taco:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 14, 2016, 12:47:01 PM
Confirmed deal
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 15, 2016, 05:13:14 AM
VANSPEYBROECK, VERMOTE and WESTRA decided they want to leave the team ...
Anyone wants to give one of them a home?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 17, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
I'm looking to get 2 x 30k riders for Cristian Rodriguez (he's 50k).

If anyone would like to purchase him, then feel free. Or make a swap offer of 1 or 2 30k riders - pm me.

 
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2016, 08:07:01 PM
I'm toying with letting Roy Jans go. If anyone wants to offer a swap for a lesser rider, PM me.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 30, 2016, 07:13:28 AM
Damien Howson for sale at 80k.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 02, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
Damien Howson is for swap. I'm looking to get 3 x 30k riders so willing to swap for someone of that ilk plus the cash.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on February 25, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
Maaaaan Felline is on fire right now! Anybody interested in a trade? PM me!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on September 24, 2017, 04:02:36 PM
Anyone fancy buying Kristoff off me for the next two seasons?

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on October 24, 2017, 09:20:06 AM
Any fans of Dion Smith for 2018 out there? Good price, mister, good price!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on October 26, 2017, 07:45:15 AM
Lobato and Kristoff available if anyone would like to purchase.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
If anybody wishes they had that second drop, feel free to shoot me a PM.
If the contract isn't too bad, :RadioShack: might as well take it on to get you more cash for fresh faces.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 07, 2017, 02:54:00 PM
Anyone with plenty of spare money is more than welcome to take Gasparotto and/or Nieve off my hands
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 08, 2017, 01:45:52 AM
Lotto takes Nieve
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on November 08, 2017, 07:05:20 AM
Lotto takes Nieve

Confirm
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 09, 2017, 05:58:34 PM
In this expensive market, anyone fancy a bargain at 210k for Lobato, probably the best uphill sprinter in the business?
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2017, 05:27:10 AM
In this expensive market, anyone fancy a bargain at 210k for Lobato, probably the best uphill sprinter in the business?

I know you wont be up for it (as I presume your trying to raise cash) but id do a straight swap for Gasparotto
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 11, 2017, 06:25:22 AM
I know you wont be up for it (as I presume your trying to raise cash) but id do a straight swap for Gasparotto

Yes, youre right. I would consider a swap for a cheaper rider but I dont fancy Gasparotto.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2017, 06:35:49 AM
Yes, youre right. I would consider a swap for a cheaper rider but I dont fancy Gasparotto.

Im in the same boat needing cash, looking like 12 riders for me
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Anybody wants Adrien Costa, Enzo Wouters, Vincenzo Albanese, and/or Kilian Frankiny?
All on $30k deals, thus low risk high reward.
Listed from the least to the most value in my eyes.
(Meaning: could maybe be talked into giving away Costa for free, but will need something relatively juicy for Albanese/Frankiny.)

Costa's talent is well known, but he took a break from cycling last summer.
You'd be hoping he comes back and scores anything in the vicinity of the 274 points he got in 2016.

Wouters is only 21, started last season slow after an off-season knee procedure, but looked good in those Tour of Britain sprints:
https://youtu.be/B8VPgQLjfI0?t=2m43s
https://youtu.be/Q8hUyQx0Lf8?t=2m50s
With Roelandts and Boeckmans gone, you'd be hoping for :Lotto: to lead out the kid more regularly.

Albanese is also 21, but likely to succeed big time. He's just finished 5th in Bergen, and earlier this year was pulled out after 16 stages of the Giro just to protect his development:
http://valdarnopost.it/news/vincenzo-albanese-lascia-giro-d-italia

Frankiny is a climber. He won the Giro della Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc, then joined :BMC: but rode his first season as gregario, so his best result came in the NC.
Hopefully next season he'll be allowed to ride for GC in some smaller tours.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 12, 2017, 04:15:37 PM
Ill take Costa.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Pricey on November 12, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
Anybody wants Adrien Costa, Enzo Wouters, Vincenzo Albanese, and/or Kilian Frankiny?
All on $30k deals, thus low risk high reward.
Listed from the least to the most value in my eyes.
(Meaning: could maybe be talked into giving away Costa for free, but will need something relatively juicy for Albanese/Frankiny.)

Costa's talent is well known, but he took a break from cycling last summer.
You'd be hoping he comes back and scores anything in the vicinity of the 274 points he got in 2016.

Wouters is only 21, started last season slow after an off-season knee procedure, but looked good in those Tour of Britain sprints:
https://youtu.be/B8VPgQLjfI0?t=2m43s
https://youtu.be/Q8hUyQx0Lf8?t=2m50s
With Roelandts and Boeckmans gone, you'd be hoping for :Lotto: to lead out the kid more regularly.

Albanese is also 21, but likely to succeed big time. He's just finished 5th in Bergen, and earlier this year was pulled out after 16 stages of the Giro just to protect his development:
http://valdarnopost.it/news/vincenzo-albanese-lascia-giro-d-italia

Frankiny is a climber. He won the Giro della Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc, then joined :BMC: but rode his first season as gregario, so his best result came in the NC.
Hopefully next season he'll be allowed to ride for GC in some smaller tours.

Ill take Wouters off your hands if you wanted to give him away to a newbie?  :toth:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2017, 04:30:24 PM
Ill take Wouters off your hands if you wanted to give him away to a newbie?  :toth:

Sure, but not for free. I sent you a PM.

Ill take Costa.

Alrighty, I'm sure so will others, so let me first quickly check what kind of names I get proposed in exchange. PM me, people! :agent:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 13, 2017, 05:46:54 AM
Well, in view of no better offers...

Ill take Wouters off your hands if you wanted to give him away to a newbie?  :toth:

Confirmed :judge:

Ill take Costa.

Confirmed :judge:


Who wants Albanese? I'd need very little in return.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 13, 2017, 06:03:55 AM
Ill take Albanese off your hands as a straight purchase.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Ace on November 13, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
Likewise i'd take Frankiny for free.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Florry on November 13, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
If we're going to ask for gifts...  :rofl: :toth:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 15, 2017, 02:17:47 PM
JJ Lobato up for sale or swap for a cheaper rider(s).

If you've got plenty of money left and little space it makes sense to get someone who could score 4-500 points rather than a couple of cheapies.

For me it works the other way as I could do with a few cheapies to fill up my small roster.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 15, 2017, 07:04:19 PM
There is a possibility Davide Formolo could be up for a trade dependent on any offers
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 17, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
Finally somebody likes my youngsters!
Topsport Vlaanderen decided it's time to go into high-risk-high-reward youth mode, and so we agreed on the following trade:
:RadioShack: => :Vlaanderen: Jungels (1992) Albanese (1996) O'Connor (1995) Campenaerts (1991)
:Vlaanderen: => :RadioShack: Uran (1987) Woods (1986) vdSande (1990) Canola (1988)
I know Davy is planning more big trades, so hopefully somebody like Albanese can become a nice cheap sweetener!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 17, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
Agree and to be continued tonight ...
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 18, 2017, 07:40:30 AM
Who is interested in this :
 
You may choose whoever you want from :Vlaanderen: SPORT VLAANDEREN and swap them with whoever you want from your team.
Only 2 catches:
- Wout Poels must be involved.
- 1yr-contracts are swappable with closed eyes, even in return for nothing. 2yr-contracts I will need to consider.

So who has got plenty of money left, or who regrets some way too expesive contracts?

Make me a crazy proposal!
First comes, first gets.
Kind regards!
Early santa!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 19, 2017, 04:44:55 AM
Big transfer ...

From :Vlaanderen: to :Sky: : Poels, Albanese
From :Sky: to :Vlaanderen: Formolo, Gasparotto, Bevin
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 19, 2017, 05:10:56 AM
Trade agreed
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 19, 2017, 09:09:04 AM
After the success of the previous offer, here is a new one ...

 
You may choose whoever you want from :Vlaanderen: SPORT VLAANDEREN and swap them with whoever you want from your team.
Only 2 catches:
- Nicolas Roche must be involved.
- 1yr-contracts are swappable with closed eyes, even in return for nothing. 2yr-contracts I will need to consider.

So who has got plenty of money left, or who regrets some way too expesive contracts?

Make me a crazy proposal!
First comes, first gets.
Kind regards!
Early santa!
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: GTF on November 23, 2017, 01:21:21 PM
From :QuickStep: to :BMC: - Garcia Cortina + Noppe.
From :BMC: to :QuickStep: - Lobato.

 :toth:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
From :QuickStep: to :BMC: - Garcia Cortina + Noppe.
From :BMC: to :QuickStep: - Lobato.

 :toth:

Agreed. Works for both of us hopefully.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on December 02, 2017, 01:41:01 PM
Franklin Six is up for sale for 30k.

He's a youngster, signed on at WB Veranclassic Aqua Protect for 2018. Notable results in 2017 include 2nd in the Belgian U23 road race and 5th at Liege Bastogne Liege U23.

Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on January 01, 2018, 01:41:35 PM
I may consider trades for Bryan Coquard. Absolute leader of Vital Concept. 550k and I have no cash so needs to be swaps.

If you're interested in investigating options PM me.
Title: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on October 27, 2018, 11:14:25 AM
It's the time of year when you might as well wish to exchange some contracts depending on how the auctions go.

Maybe it's nice to have a dedicated thread?

I'll start us off by saying that the double track world champion Benjamin Thomas could get traded for this year's 1st-round pick.
His legs have never been the problem, it's simply the question of racing calendar for him obviously.

Chris Froome could be up for grabs too. What can you offer in return?

Send me a PM if interested.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: scrooll7 on October 31, 2018, 03:09:42 AM
Gianluca Brambilla is up for trade if someone whant him
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on October 31, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
Drucker

Nibali

Poels

would all be considered for trades
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 11, 2018, 04:59:20 PM
Anyone wants to get rid of a rider?

You can choose one of my guys, and swap him with one of yours.
Detail: Yours must have a salary that is between 200-300 more then mine.
Detail2: We are not talking about Jakobsen and G.

Make me a proposal I can't refuse ! ! !
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 12, 2018, 05:08:07 PM
Davy takes Jempy Drucker from Sky and Sky take Ivan Cortina Garcia in return
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 12, 2018, 05:42:16 PM
agree
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 12, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
Anyone wants to get rid of a rider?

You can choose one of my guys, and swap him with one of yours.
Detail: Yours must have a salary that is 100-150 more then mine.
Detail2: We are not talking about Jakobsen and G.

Make me a proposal I can't refuse ! ! !
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2018, 09:17:49 AM
HOFLAND Moreno is being transferred to IAM Cycling.

BMC Agree.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Pricey on November 23, 2018, 11:03:49 AM
IAM confirm the trade.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Garfield on November 30, 2018, 06:34:08 AM
:RadioShack: decided to put all eggs in one basket by shipping away their first pick in the draft!!!
:Vlaanderen: meanwhile didn't manage to spend their budget on free agents, thus instead invests into their 2020 campaign already :agent:

G + Fabio for Pogacar + O'Connor + Colbrelli :judge:
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: davy duck on November 30, 2018, 06:35:51 AM
Topsport Vlaanderen is happy to confirm.
Title: Re: Trade Block
Post by: Joelsim on March 28, 2019, 07:03:03 PM
Id like to swap Jakub Marezcko for someone on the second year of a 210k contract. Id like to have a bit more to spend in next years auction.

Please PM me if interested.