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Fantasy Leagues => Other Sports Leagues => UCI WorldTour => Topic started by: Garfield on January 17, 2012, 10:03:43 AM

Title: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on January 17, 2012, 10:03:43 AM
Because there are things in life you really need to share :toast:

I'll start. Fus87 didn't even cancel his holidays in order to start this league quicker. How selfish :P

In other news, I'm almost done with the graphics. We're kicking off later this week!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 17, 2012, 10:46:22 AM
I'm not a very good trash talker, but yeah, Fus is a poopyhead!

My first grunt of disgruntlement, however, goes to Greipel for winning the first stage Down Under, instead of saving up his wins for races which count.

And a minor grunt goes to Roelandts for breaking his neck. Though that reminds me... of something I should ask in the Brainstorming topic.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on January 17, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
So Menchov sure needs training wheels, huh?

(I'm not really a good trash talker either)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 18, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
I'm not a very good trash talker, but yeah, Fus is a poopyhead!

I agree!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on January 19, 2012, 02:11:41 PM
when do we start bidding again? all the bid topics are closed, so it's not possible to raise before 48 hours are gone
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 19, 2012, 02:33:27 PM
you have to make your own topics.
The ones closed are for the other admin, for when he comes back from his vacation. then you can bid on them as well.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 19, 2012, 04:51:43 PM
Procycling.....
You have to raise with 10%
750 to 800 isn't 10%
830 would do the job ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 19, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
Procycling.....
You have to raise with 10%
750 to 800 isn't 10%
830 would do the job ;)

Oh...
I know,
I know!

Sorry,but I don't good Trash Talker. I'm not good talker at all.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 19, 2012, 05:05:39 PM
Well as long as you can read got.....

YOU ARE WAY OVER YOUR BUDGET ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 19, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
How to curse in English?

I write my posts with google translate , then if I make a mistake , please correct me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 19, 2012, 05:11:34 PM
Do it in Polish then  :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 19, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
Do it in Polish then  :P

There is a perception that everyone in the Netherlands are relaxed . How you do it?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 19, 2012, 05:15:43 PM
Bos, Pro,
you both need to relax. Read the rules again. Then read the etiquette. Especially the part that says that NOTHING but actual bids is posted in the auction threads. Everything else goes here, but behave.

And he's not over the budget. Right now the 5 riders he's leading the auctions for would result in around 1400 per year.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 19, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
And he's not over the budget. Right now the 5 riders he's leading the auctions for would result in around 1400 per year.

And so I pause the auctions.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 19, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
Why do you think that I ain't relaxed?

I wrote it in the bidding topic, because Pro-Cycling kept on bidding there and I didn't think he would read the message here, before it was too late.

Since his budget is only 1,6 million (5 riders of his team have a wage of 3,4 million), I thought he was over his budget.
Van Avermaet 610K
Farrar 850K
Martin 650K
Izagirre 100K
Van Garderen 350K
Total 2560K = 2,56 million

What I didn't realise is that Van Avermaet, Farrar and Martin could be divided by 2 seasons.
That would leave:
Van Avermaet 310K
Van Garderen 350K (Can't be divided)
Farrar 430K
Izagirre 100K (can't be divided)
Martin 330K
Total 1520 = 1,52 million

so he would have spend 4,92 million in total.
so sorry for the miscalculation, but I still think I needed to say this, because he would have had only 10 cyclists now and no budget left. So you could say I was right.

But I was trying to help, but that doesn't seem to be relaxe  :P
I will leave that to the admins to solve then.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 19, 2012, 06:49:10 PM
I wrote it in the bidding topic, because Pro-Cycling kept on bidding there and I didn't think he would read the message here, before it was too late.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you raising the red flag, I can't see everything on my own. Still, remember not to comment in the bidding threads.

PS
Van Garderen can be divided to 2x210k, but now I understand it's not clear to everybody since not explicitly stated in the rules. Will create an example there right away!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 19, 2012, 06:52:57 PM
So did we ever decide how many guys we need on a team for a minimum?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 19, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
So did we ever decide how many guys we need on a team for a minimum?

20
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 19, 2012, 07:03:15 PM
Question back on Van Garderen.
The bid was 350K, that you may not divide, or am I wrong there?
The bid has to be 420K or more before you may divide. You can not raise it for them, so it would be better for them, that is there own business/fault isn't it?

This is a serious question.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 19, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
Question back on Van Garderen.

Rules clarified. Please check if it's clear from them now that you're free to do what I described above.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Gilly on January 20, 2012, 12:27:11 AM
lol sorry guys I know Im not part of this league but simply just the manager of the "other sports section", but I was looking around and saw that someone said "poopy head"...roflmao...I haven't heard someone say that in years...thanks for the chuckle...your a poopy head, rofl thats awesome!!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 20, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
Ok ProCycling explain yourself. Why are you after my Russians  >:(     
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 20, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
Rules clarified. Please check if it's clear from them now that you're free to do what I described above.

sorry, me again  :P
I don't make the rules, but I disagree with the latest update.
If for example managerA bids 350K on Van Garderen, then it is not up to an admin to raise the bid for ManagerA to 420K, so it fits in the budget of manager A.
That should be the responsibillity of managerA himself....... well at least in my eyes it does.

If the bid would take the manager over his budget, then the bid should not be counted and the manager would receive a warning (for instance, 2 warnings results in no bids for a week or 3 days).

I realise it is hard to check everything now, because the game has just started and everyone is bidding and you can't be here 24/7.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2012, 12:48:22 PM
I don't make the rules, but I disagree with the latest update.
If for example managerA bids 350K on Van Garderen, then it is not up to an admin to raise the bid for ManagerA to 420K, so it fits in the budget of manager A.

This rule wasn't created yesterday. It's just that your lack of understand made me read it again, realize it was ambiguous indeed, and change the wording so that everybody understands.

If somebody makes a bid, that's the minimum amount of money he's willing to pay. He can pay 10x more if he so wishes. Clear?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 20, 2012, 12:57:34 PM
Ok ProCycling explain yourself. Why are you after my Russians  >:(   

I'm Sorry , I did not know them himself booked.  :o
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 20, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: Bushwackers
1000K

1000K = 1KK   :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 20, 2012, 04:27:44 PM
Wait where did I say this?  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 20, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=45920.0

P.S. Sorry Bush, this is Alex. My brain is destroyed.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 20, 2012, 05:21:26 PM
Pro cycling org, you have bids out on 30 players at the moment. Plus your five keepers, which means you're in breach of the rules.

Which means now Garfield has to figure out whether your last five bids are invalid and don't count, or whether to just let itself sort out (since at this early stage it's likely that you'll get over-bid on several riders anyway.)

Either way, please pay more attention to this in the future.

(Edit: and while I didn't count, since your remaining budget is only 1.6M, it's quite likely that you're over that limit as well)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 20, 2012, 05:43:08 PM
And that probably would not happen if he weren't bidding on every single rider that I post. I don't care if someone bid on my guys, because you are supposed to, but when one person bids on 15 of them in a row (especially the low-wage team-fillers) without starting any of their own auctions, it is very annoying.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but there are around 500 ProTour cyclists, I don't see why each and every one of them has to go for €100,000.

I probably sound like a little BooYah!  right now, so I'm going to end my rant.  :bla: I apologize.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2012, 06:41:57 PM
Pro cycling org, you have bids out on 30 players at the moment. Plus your five keepers, which means you're in breach of the rules.
Not so pro after all, eh? Thanks a lot for the sharp eye, it's impossible for me to control all these things.
I'll try to talk some sense into the guy.
For now, I propose:
1) strike 1 for him, and of course no bids until both his budget and team size allow it,
2) let's hope enough of these get overbid, and thus we won't have to retract any bids (that's usually Pandora's box).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 20, 2012, 07:02:04 PM
You may give Geezar10 his strike1 as well.
His bids in total are way to high for his budget.
I haven't counted it in total, but his buget was:
5000K - 2320K (salary) = 2680 left voor biddings and contracts.

His bids in total are now 7240K!!!!!!
Even if you divide this by 2 (everyone 2 years contract, what is in fact impossible), then he has 3620K this year. So his biddings are more then 1000K over is budget. Seems to me that this is way to ridiculous.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Geezar10 on January 20, 2012, 07:26:10 PM
Oh sorry about that I think I am taking Vinokourov out of my keepers and maybe Bozic but I haven't posted it yet should I post it onto the sign up sheet to let people know or PM Garfield + how do we know what riders people have picked for their keepers if they didn't sign up via the sign up sheet, please could I be told where to find these. Thanks.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
Oh sorry about that I think I am taking Vinokourov out of my keepers and maybe Bozic but I haven't posted it yet should I post it onto the sign up sheet to let people know or PM Garfield + how do we know what riders people have picked for their keepers if they didn't sign up via the sign up sheet, please could I be told where to find these. Thanks.

New keepers via PM ASAP.
All keepers can be found in the official rosters.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 20, 2012, 09:17:39 PM
Small heads up: we've been bidding on Van Garderen, who's a keeper for BMC.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Small heads up: we've been bidding on Van Garderen, who's a keeper for BMC.

done, thanks. honestly, don't know what i would do without you, Flu :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 20, 2012, 09:37:08 PM
Small heads up: we've been bidding on Van Garderen, who's a keeper for BMC.

That roster has been changed.
When are the rosters final, because you can make a goal in buying a cyclist, but when the rosters keep changing, then you can't play any tactics and there is no checking someones budget.

For Geezar10: even if you chose not to put Vinokourov in your roster, then you are still over your budget now ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2012, 09:42:29 PM
When are the rosters final
I'm sorry, but I lost my patience. From now on I will ignore questions that you wouldn't need to ask if only you had read the SINGLE introductory PM I sent out to everybody.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 20, 2012, 10:14:37 PM
Lol come on, your beef is obviously with me?
People place to many bids, go way, way, way over budget. But I ask à simple question that is not written on this forum and I get à comment like this??? Seems very fair.

With all reason, yes I read 48 hours, but from which point? 07.14 pm? That is when the pm came in.
Trust me, at least 2 other managers here didn't know the answer to the question about when the 48 hours were over, but I asked the question here. I will let them ask next time, you obviously got problems with me, while I only want to make things clear.
Your irritation towards me probably also got to do with the fact that I told others that they were over there budget. Well excuse me if I try to keep this game by the rules, if you are not here then someone else can tell them right?
I did notice that when Flu did it, hè got à thank you, when I do it, it seems to be all wrong for you.

I just tried to help and if more people are wondering when the deadline is, then it wasn't such à bad question and you could also take à look at yourself instead of telling me you lost your patience with me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 20, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
I don't think his problem is with you in particular, I think he is just having to deal with a lot of work with this new league. But Bos I like it when you call people out on that stuff, because someone needs to have an eye on it, and Garfield can't be here all the time. I would say keep it up.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2012, 04:15:58 AM
Lol come on, your beef is obviously with me?

Trust me, it's nothing personal.

I do appreciate it when you point out problems.
As I would with any other person.

I don't appreciate it when you don't read the effing PM and keep breaching the etiquette.
As I would with any other person.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 21, 2012, 04:25:41 AM
And that probably would not happen if he weren't bidding on every single rider that I post. I don't care if someone bid on my guys, because you are supposed to, but when one person bids on 15 of them in a row (especially the low-wage team-fillers) without starting any of their own auctions, it is very annoying.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but there are around 500 ProTour cyclists, I don't see why each and every one of them has to go for €100,000.

I probably sound like a little gonzaga right now, so I'm going to end my rant.  :bla: I apologize.

Exactly what I was thinking. Search for your own crappy riders and leave mine alone :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2012, 04:38:27 AM
Exactly what I was thinking. Search for your own crappy riders and leave mine alone :P

Since we're whining already :P
What should I say?
Bid 30k on a bunch of useless Polish guys who will never score a single point, thus strictly for sentimental value.
Got overbid on all.
Somebody hug me!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on January 21, 2012, 07:13:15 AM
Really didn't think Van Impe would go that high  :thumbsup: It's outside the budget I've set myself. haha
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2012, 07:51:51 AM
Really didn't think Van Impe would go that high  :thumbsup: It's outside the budget I've set myself. haha

I think people just get ebay-excited :beer:

Btw I have updated the etiquette (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=45494.0) with a couple of tips how to control your bids.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Geezar10 on January 21, 2012, 09:12:03 AM
Just like to point out Garfield that I would assume you are a) over budget and b) have bids on over 25 riders. Just saying if you're handing out strikes willy-nilly you could easily give one to yourself to keep things fair.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 21, 2012, 09:22:03 AM
Just like to point out Garfield that I would assume you are a) over budget and b) have bids on over 25 riders. Just saying if you're handing out strikes willy-nilly you could easily give one to yourself to keep things fair.

He has bids on 7 riders. 8 if you count the Basso-example. The locked ones at the bottom are placeholder-bids for someone else.

As for budget, yes he's over if you do the straight up sum, but he's not over budget if you split the bids which can be split over two seasons.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 21, 2012, 09:42:25 AM
Really didn't think Van Impe would go that high  :thumbsup: It's outside the budget I've set myself. haha

Being the one who has the high bid on Van Impe... :)
Yeah, it's higher than I expected as well, but pretty much everyone is going higher than I expected. And since I'm running Lotto, I'm willing to go a little bit above and beyond the call of duty for Belgian riders.  :toth:

Edit:
another keeper auction popped up: Anthony Roux.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2012, 02:25:23 PM
Edit:
another keeper auction popped up: Anthony Roux.

Moved, thanks!

Guys, how do you like your new jerseys? (in the signatures below every post)
Only Ag2R and FDJ still missing. Working on it!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 21, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
- Where and when do I give the contracts? In the topic of the cyclist itself or will à topic be made for that? Looks like I'm close to getting some cyclists and there was the option to raise the contract, so I could give à 2 year contract if I wanted.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 21, 2012, 06:27:20 PM
And Danny Pate is MIIIIIIIIINE!!!!! For 30,000!!!!!  :bacon:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
- Where and when do I give the contracts? In the topic of the cyclist itself or will à topic be made for that? Looks like I'm close to getting some cyclists and there was the option to raise the contract, so I could give à 2 year contract if I wanted.

Does this answer all your questions?
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=45901.0
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2012, 07:00:34 PM
Getting closer...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 22, 2012, 04:06:12 AM
1. See the Nuyens thread to learn why you should never ever edit/retract bids :agent:

2. The etiquette now includes a graphical example of how to control your budget :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 22, 2012, 10:40:10 AM
You've got to love the moment you are only a couple of hours away from getting your first rider and then someone comes and increases the offer with 10k.

dangn it people. There are hundreds of cyclist out there yet at this moment we are only bidding on like 100. Some people seriously need to go search for their own riders instead of being lazy asses and just bid on the existing topics.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 22, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
I hear you alex. Maybe their should be a rule that you have to come up with around 5 of your own topics.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 22, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
I'm sorry guys, but you shouldn't feel so bitter about it. Putting somebody up for auction can't give you any privileges, and I'm afraid that's how auction games often are. Yes, people will bid on your favourite rider, and sometimes they will do it a minute before 48 hours expire. So keep your head up, try to stay positive, and enjoy the game!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 22, 2012, 12:56:53 PM
I'm not mad because somebody is bidding on my favorite rider or any rider at all. I know that's how it works. I've played this kind of games before.

But after 3 days and only 100 topics for riders opened when there are plenty of others to choose from, you have to admit that something is wrong. This way the riders will get way too overpriced while some aren't even auctioned for.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 22, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
But after 3 days and only 100 topics for riders opened when there are plenty of others to choose from, you have to admit that something is wrong. This way the riders will get way too overpriced while some aren't even auctioned for.

Well, there is another way to look at it. For somebody less familiar with fantasy games (and with the faces in the peloton), 100 threads can be an intimidating number. If you think riders are overpriced, simply pass and wait for those to be auctioned later. I'm sure your team will be ready for Paris-Nice.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 22, 2012, 01:28:37 PM
Yeah, 100 riders isn't a tiny amount, considering there are "only" 18 teams, of which a few haven't bid at all yet, and a few are only involved in 2 or 3 auctions. That leaves like 90+ riders being bid on by 12ish teams. Seems about right to me, considering there's still more than a month before the next race.

There are a few different tactics/styles of bidding. Some seem to bid on everything with two legs, others are a bit more patient (a few even "hellooo, wake up!"-patient). I think it works, so far.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on January 22, 2012, 02:59:00 PM
I'll just ask for people to bare with me on the transactions front. My internet connection has been dodgy today. Tomorrow and Tuesday will likely be a bit better. Sorry if people think I've forgotten about this but I'll likely do a lot of cross referencing, by that I mean check keepers, completed transactions, the transactions on hold etc to make sure I don't do any repeating etc.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 22, 2012, 04:09:02 PM
No worries, tony, I wasn't referring to you. you're out of the starting gates. :)
I was talking about guys like pimmen and Jaroslav. Hellooo, cycling fans! Get out of the beer tent!
And Fus, of course, who's still a poopyhead for not cutting his vacation short.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 22, 2012, 04:10:43 PM
I'm looking into it now, but the site is very slow atm  :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 22, 2012, 04:18:38 PM
 :soapbox:
Excuses, excuses!

(just kidding. :) yeah, it's pretty slow at the moment. Lot of sports events updating on a Sunday, I'm guessing.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PAT on January 23, 2012, 06:11:56 AM
I do not understand the Kittel and Degenkolb bids. Is their team part of the World Tour?
I think not. Hence the question, are Degenkolb and Kittel part of this game?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2012, 06:44:15 AM
I do not understand the Kittel and Degenkolb bids. Is their team part of the World Tour?
I think not. Hence the question, are Degenkolb and Kittel part of this game?

Yes, but they will score only when invited, and maybe in their 2nd year after possibly joining WorldTour.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on January 23, 2012, 07:16:53 AM
It's BooYah!  hard trying to keep a Basque identity in the team when people keep bidding "insane" amounts for my low life Basque riders with little chance of scoring any points at all. :soapbox:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2012, 07:25:09 AM
Well I guess they are the most romantic nation in cycling, most of us love them! Treat it as a challenge :toast:

Plus, you can always let the crazy bidders grab your Basques, then talk some sense into them, and trade them a week later...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 23, 2012, 08:00:18 AM
Ok , I spend my 5 milions Euro. Now I'm happy  :toast: .
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Geezar10 on January 23, 2012, 08:49:14 AM
Why did you take my Flecha and Kennaugh! Gah! Now I'll have to bid again
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
Embrace it, you bunch of sissies :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 23, 2012, 10:58:03 AM
just like rules are there to be broken, bids are there to be outbid  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2012, 11:14:37 AM
rules are there to be broken

slow down mister :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 23, 2012, 11:27:25 AM
Of course by that I meant all rules that exist, EXCEPT the rules of this particular game  :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2012, 12:53:48 PM
Of course by that I meant all rules that exist, EXCEPT the rules of this particular game  :agent:

Now you talkin' :rofl:

Re TAARAMÄE Rein 24/04/1987 Cofidis, le Credit en Ligne - 420k is my bid, forgot to log out from a dummy account I use strictly for league management, sorry! :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on January 23, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
So I guess I won't be getting any Russians for the minimum wage, no matter how completely and utterly useless they are.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 23, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
Try Pavel Tonkov or Evgeny Berzin, they should be pretty useless too  :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2012, 09:58:11 PM
One team manager, who shall remain nameless for the time being, told me he won't find the time to play with us after all. For the balance of the league it would be really nice if somebody took over, as opposed to disbanding the team. If you know anybody interested, or wouldn't mind posting wherever you come from that a replacement is needed, it would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 24, 2012, 07:08:43 AM
Kittel is finally mine. Mwhahaha :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 24, 2012, 02:37:32 PM
congrats  :winner:

btw, there's an invalid bid on Ventoso  :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 24, 2012, 02:47:13 PM

btw, there's an invalid bid on Ventoso  :agent:

Well spotted - I made a note about it in that post.  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 24, 2012, 02:48:04 PM
btw, there's an invalid bid on Ventoso  :agent:

BooYah!  it Flu, you're quick!

In the future, do not despair. The invalid bid is implicitly corrected automatically. (If the next bidder points it out, even better!)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 24, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
Ok, I wasn't totally sure what the rules were in this case. Next time if I plan to overbid anyway I will just overbid with the correct value instead of reporting the invalid bid first.  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 25, 2012, 11:09:12 AM
We, the people, demand that Barredo and Rui Costa are on the same team :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on January 25, 2012, 02:07:14 PM
We, the people, demand that Barredo and Rui Costa are on the same team :judge:

Why are you bidding on him then? :o Not that I have an interest in Costa anyway. Just pointing out your double standards.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 25, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
Why are you bidding on him then? :o Not that I have an interest in Costa anyway. Just pointing out your double standards.

ouch.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 25, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
My team is starting to look quite nice at the moment. People should fear the force of Rabobank now :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 25, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Also, alexlnumber1 should probably know that the last bid he has made on Guardini is invalid. But it doesn't mind me to get him for less this way :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 25, 2012, 02:36:14 PM
You might want to check the rules again concerning incorrect bids (which were also pointed out just a few posts ago in this thread.)  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 25, 2012, 02:42:37 PM
Also, alexlnumber1 should probably know that the last bid he has made on Guardini is invalid. But it doesn't mind me to get him for less this way :P

1. I'm afraid it doesn't work like this. There are no invalid bids here. Should he win the bidding, his bid will be corrected to the lowest correct value. In this example, 275 becomes 280. Every next bid will also be automatically corrected to 310 minimum.

2. Big thanks to Flu, who is helping me big time with signing contracts and moving old threads. The man is a machine!!!

3. As you might have noticed, we have a new header. There are still small mistakes (2 teams missing and they should link directly to the google doc), but they should be corrected soon.

4. We still need 1 substitute user soon, for a very strong team. Pull your strings on the internets, people!

That's all for today. I'll get back to my double standards now.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 25, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
1. I'm afraid it doesn't work like this. There are no invalid bids here. Should he win the bidding, his bid will be corrected to the lowest correct value. In this example, 275 becomes 280. Every next bid will also be automatically corrected to 310 minimum.

I see that now. And to be honest I don't really agree with it. I mean, why even have the minimum increase if you can go lower and still have the winning bid. It doesn't really makes sense to me, but if those are the rules...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 25, 2012, 02:57:19 PM
I see that now. And to be honest I don't really agree with it. I mean, why even have the minimum increase if you can go lower and still have the winning bid. It doesn't really makes sense to me, but if those are the rules...

You didn't understand me. He DID increase the bid with the official minimum increment, even if he doesn't know it yet. So no, you cannot go lower and still have the winning bid.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 25, 2012, 03:05:14 PM
He DID increase the bid with the official minimum increment, even if he doesn't know it yet.

That basically makes no sense.

And what you are saying is that if someone bids on a rider 1M and I bid 1,000,001, I still have the winning bid even though the minimum increase is 100k in this case.

But I'll leave it this way since that's how the rules are made.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 25, 2012, 03:10:34 PM
I'm afraid that's the only way to do it, as I see it.
What other solution that doesn't ruin the 48 hours clock would you suggest?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 25, 2012, 03:15:50 PM
I'm afraid that's the only way to do it, as I see it.
What other solution that doesn't ruin the 48 hours clock would you suggest?

The minimum increase is there for a reason and people should respect it and be careful that they are within it when they make a bid.

If someone makes a bid on rider X of 1 million and if there are no correct counter-bids (at least 1.1 millions) in the next 48 hours then the rider is his.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 25, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
And what you are saying is that if someone bids on a rider 1M and I bid 1,000,001, I still have the winning bid even though the minimum increase is 100k in this case.

Well, sure, but keep the spirit of the rule in mind. If someone overbids by 1, or is showing in his bidding that he clearly doesn't understand or didn't read the rules, I'm sure someone will point him to those rules and he will then hopefully follow the process as it was intended. If not and someone is purposely and consistently being facetious about it, that can be dealt with on an individual basis.

But in most cases where someone bids too low, it's simply a matter of a slight error in calculation or being a bit distracted or whatever. The rule is simply this game's version of a "bid the next lowest amount" button. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 25, 2012, 03:28:26 PM
If someone makes a bid on rider X of 1 million and if there are no correct counter-bids (at least 1.1 millions) in the next 48 hours then the rider is his.

Unfortunately, you still haven't found a solution that doesn't mess with the clock. Because in your example, the 48 hours clock would start from the invalid bid as seen from outside, i.e. without entering the thread. But keep thinking, we're always open to improvements!

That, and what Flu said.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 25, 2012, 03:42:20 PM
Unfortunately, you still haven't found a solution that doesn't mess with the clock. Because in your example, the 48 hours clock would start from the invalid bid as seen from outside, i.e. without entering the thread. But keep thinking, we're always open to improvements!

That, and what Flu said.

I didn't fully understand what you meant by the 48 hours clock. I don't think there's a way we can change that.

But it's pretty unfair in my opinion for a rider a rider to go to someone who didn't even make a valid (from my point of view) bid.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 25, 2012, 06:33:34 PM
Hmm but invalid bids are automatically made valid (even if the bidder does not know it yet like Garfield pointed out).

So if someone already bid 1m, then all bids underneath 1.1m simply do not exist, and as if we were dyslexic for numbers (is there a word for that?) we do not see 1.000.001, but we see 1.1m because that's what it actually should say according to the rules.

So in a way 'invalid bids' do not exist.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 07:13:16 AM
alex.buck, you're waaaay over you're budget. Official warning. Stop bidding now.
Let's pray you get overbid on those. Otherwise everything starting with Weening will be illegal.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 26, 2012, 07:17:48 AM
alex.buck, you're waaaay over you're budget. Official warning. Stop bidding now.
Let's pray you get overbid on those. Otherwise everything starting with Weening will be illegal.

No, I'm not. I keep an excel file of all my transfers and I'm just under 5M.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 07:19:39 AM
No, I'm not. I keep an excel file of all my transfers and I'm just under 5M.

I'm afraid you'll need to check that again, your file is wrong.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 26, 2012, 07:21:55 AM
I'm afraid you'll need to check that again, your file is wrong.

With my current bids (those that are over 420k split into 2 years) I'm currently spending 4.7M.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 07:25:26 AM
With my current bids (those that are over 420k split into 2 years) I'm currently spending 4.7M.

No, your official roster shows that you're spending 4.31M already.
Your 4 bids around 200k already take you way beyond 5M.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 26, 2012, 08:45:09 AM
there is a bid on Rojas, but I think he's one of the Movistar keepers
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 09:49:20 AM
there is a bid on Rojas, but I think he's one of the Movistar keepers

Moved to Invalid, thanks!

More importantly, Flu & myself agreed that scratching the Weening and Frank bids from alex.buck is the most reasonable think to do. Alex, I hope you'll understand.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 26, 2012, 10:19:06 AM
Yes, that's what's has to happen.

I made a mistake and I also divided my keepers salary into two years, that's why according to my file was still withing the budget.

I'm sorry for creating this mess and as a punishment now it also affects the way I'm going to build my team and I'll barely have 20 riders.

Also my apologies go to pimmen and Geezar who now have to wait some extra hours to get the riders that they should have got if I was more careful with my budget.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 10:20:14 AM
Thanks for the understanding :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 26, 2012, 10:24:02 AM
No problem

P.S.

Just so you know, that puts me slightly over my budget, so I'll have to refrain from any bidding for now  :toth:

Another option is to cancel my bids for Sutton and Arroyo, then I will have salaries below 5m again. But maybe a snowball effect is not want we want as well. I'll let Garfield and Flu decide  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
Just so you know, that puts me slightly over my budget, so I'll have to refrain from any bidding for now  :toth:

Tricky tricky. For now sit tight and let's see what happens. Of course you never did anything wrong (having assumed that you got overbid on Weening quite a while ago), and I do believe this will get resolved naturally.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 26, 2012, 10:32:10 AM
Yeah, I think it will be solved naturally as well.

Oh and btw, as much as I'd like Teklehaimanot in my team myself, I don't think I can accept anyone but Fus having him in his team  :veto:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 26, 2012, 10:34:25 AM
Also, how sure are you of your numbers, pimmen? A quick count on my fingers puts you at 40k under budget. There's every chance I missed a finger somewhere though - could use some coffee.

Either way, yeah, should resolve itself, I'd think.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 26, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
Yes you need some coffee, because you forgot to count the 150k from Weening  :win:

The tricky thing is that the last post in that topic was made by Garfield and not by me, so you probably overlooked that one  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 26, 2012, 10:51:40 AM
Yeah, I know! Duh!  :rofl:

I even counted a second time right after I posted, concluded that I had counted correctly, and then realized I had forgotten the "hidden in plain sight" one while sitting on the toilet - which remains the best room in the house for getting valuable insights.

Sorry to make you do a few minutes of extra brain training. You'll thank me when you're 70 though. ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 26, 2012, 11:02:25 AM
the toilet - which remains the best room in the house for getting valuable insights.

so true!


Sorry to make you do a few minutes of extra brain training. You'll thank me when you're 70 though. ;)

Let's not wait that long shall we?

Thank you Flu!  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 26, 2012, 11:20:38 AM
You're very welcome!  :toth:

 :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 26, 2012, 11:38:27 AM
When is Basso going to open?
I think everybody understands the rules now?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Geezar10 on January 26, 2012, 11:45:38 AM
On Saturday when a guy returns from holiday from what i understand
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 26, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
On Saturday when a guy returns from holiday from what i understand

If that was the case...... The other topics are open as well ;)

And this is said in the Basso topic:
(My bid is real, but for now its only function is to demonstrate how a new bidding should be started. It will remain locked until everybody gets familiar with the bidding process, and then we'll continue bidding for him like we do for any other non-keeper.)

So looks to me it was only àn example, untill everybody gets the rules.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 26, 2012, 04:10:54 PM
Excuse me, but if Dowsett should not go to the Garfield team? It took 219 hours ...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bos on January 26, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
Hè, including 15 (or so) others were locked and they went open today, without telling though, but this way they end on the day that moderator nr2 comes home.
You can also bid on cyclists like Moser, Agostini, Stannard.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 26, 2012, 06:10:51 PM
I presume this one is mine now, no higher bids in 48 hours

1. Fraid not. As is in the rules, and as has been pointed out - and even extensively discussed - in this topic several times the past few days, invalid bids automatically get corrected to the lowest correct value.
2. Please make comments like that in here in the future, rather than the relevant topics, as that messes up the clock and moves the topic back into the pack - it was only by sheer luck that I happened to see it.

Also, Rojas was moved to the Invalid folder because he's one of Movistar's keepers.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2012, 07:40:25 PM
Hè, including 15 (or so) others were locked and they went open today, without telling though

Not much to tell. They get activated once somebody places a "real" bid, and then the usual 48 hours follow :thumbsup:

And I'm opening Basso per your request :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 27, 2012, 03:33:56 AM
I'll start. Fus87 didn't even cancel his holidays in order to start this league quicker. How selfish :P

Ah, but what you don't know is that I used a big part of these holidays scouting for Czech riders, both from Sparta and Dukla Praha, as well as from PSK Whirlpool.
So I at least ventured out into the real world and looked at real talents, instead of outbidding other people for already well-known no-gooders that got some results in the past.
But I'm honoured that people have already referred to me as "moderator" or "admin" no.2 in my absence. :P
I'm just a regular player like everyone else. ;)

Also, PAT made all the guys from Lampre that I had on my short-list his keepers. :rool:

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 27, 2012, 09:37:50 AM
Newest addition: go to your Profile => Forum Profile to choose your favourite cycling team :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on January 27, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
I first completed my team.  :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on January 28, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
There's a topic for Nairo Quintana open, but's already been on the market.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 28, 2012, 06:52:41 PM
Took care of it. Cheers!  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 29, 2012, 10:57:42 AM
An hour ago I was going to make a lame joke about signing up Stybar for the cyclocross World Champs. Good thing I didn't bother. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 29, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
That went very international :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on January 29, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
I put up some bids, if I've made a mistake do correct me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Baggieboys32 on January 29, 2012, 06:20:58 PM
Why did you take my Flecha and Kennaugh! Gah! Now I'll have to bid again

Well, my favourite story on PCMdaily, is the Peter Kennaugh one rider- think of it as a sentimental value singing ;)

and as Garmin, i'm trying to build a side of strong cobblers and classics, hence the Flecha overbid :P

Answer enough for you Geezar? ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 30, 2012, 11:48:41 AM
What happens if I don't use up all the 5 million in my budget for a year?
Is the rest carried over for 2013 etc. (yay!), or does it vanish like snow on the southern slopes of the Gavia?

I'm fine with either, I just want to know.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 30, 2012, 12:03:30 PM
(http://www6.ufrgs.br/favet/imunovet/molecular_immunology/gavia_altimetria.jpg)

For this reason mostly, Flu and I have posted an approximate list of forgotten free agents in the last tab of the rosters doc. Spend that money people :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on January 30, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
I've made a mistake and posted Morabito as an Italian. Can either Flu or Garfield edit that for me? Thanks.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 30, 2012, 12:28:39 PM
I've made a mistake and posted Morabito as an Italian. Can either Flu or Garfield edit that for me? Thanks.

Done.  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 30, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
 :o
Fierce bidding war for Teklehaimanot going on there...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 31, 2012, 03:27:09 AM
Spend that money people :judge:

But... I don't have any spots left on the roster...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 31, 2012, 04:46:12 AM
But... I don't have any spots left on the roster...

You have 19 under contract, thus still 11 spaces.
I'd say less Juraj, more Ivan :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 31, 2012, 11:51:09 AM
You have 19 under contract, thus still 11 spaces.
I'd say less Juraj, more Ivan :P

I don't sign any freaking Russkies! :P
Also, I have bids on further 10 riders. If I get all of those, I'm at 29. But as I understand the rules, I can throw more money after some of those riders I already have, and give them a two-year contract. That's probably what I'll do.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 31, 2012, 11:55:10 AM
But as I understand the rules, I can throw more money after some of those riders I already have, and give them a two-year contract. That's probably what I'll do.

That's correct! As soon as you hit 210k per year, you can sign for 2 years (keepers excluded).
Still, looks like you could use a superstar or two :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on January 31, 2012, 05:42:00 PM
Just some info on my part. I check this even when I don't sign in. I will do so again tomorrow morning or early afternoon. I am away for the afternoon from about 2.45pm GMT and I won't be online again until sometime Thursday afternoon, so don't fret I'm still paying attention.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 31, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
Still, looks like you could use a superstar or two :P

Our team philosophy is not centered on superstars. I rather have a constant dribble of points, with three riders finishing 3rd, 6th and 8th, than one rider sometimes winning, sometimes placing 4th, and sometimes finishing outside the top-20.
It's all thought through. :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on January 31, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
Our team philosophy is not centered on superstars. I rather have a constant dribble of points, with three riders finishing 3rd, 6th and 8th, than one rider sometimes winning, sometimes placing 4th, and sometimes finishing outside the top-20.
It's all thought through. :P

so true  :toth:

I don't have any of the big stars in my team, but I got a lot of riders that I like. According to their salaries my stars would be Renshaw, Langeveld, Breschel, Thomas and Taaramae  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on January 31, 2012, 10:24:18 PM
I don't have any of the big stars in my team, but I got a lot of riders that I like. According to their salaries my stars would be Renshaw, Langeveld, Breschel, Thomas and Taaramae  :thumbsup:

Of those five, a few might turn out very good value for money (have a feeling Breschel might score big, for instance), and a few might be duds. But that's a risk with any rider, really.

I'm mainly signing riders I like as well. And/or riders who I feel would be a good fit for Lotto. That way, even if we don't end up anywhere near the top of the scoring board, at least there's some fun to be had from following a personal/team philosophy, kinda sorta.

That's why I ended up paying premium for Van Avermaet, even though the bidding went higher than I initially planned on. (which was around 600k/season) Who knows, he might be the next Gilbert, but there's also every chance that he won't score nearly as much in 2012 as he did last season. But heck, I like the guy, he's Belgian, ex-Lotto, so I went for him, money be BooYah! ed.
Hopefully he doesn't break his leg in March or something. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 01, 2012, 03:30:36 AM
so true  :toth:

I don't have any of the big stars in my team, but I got a lot of riders that I like. According to their salaries my stars would be Renshaw, Langeveld, Breschel, Thomas and Taaramae  :thumbsup:

Same here, I think I assembled a rather likeable, radioshack-esque bunch!
And y'all better surrender now, my star brother is going to bury you alive :rofl:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-aiming-to-race-fearless-and-free-in-2012
The fearless and free era starts now :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 01, 2012, 04:54:03 AM
Same here, I think I assembled a rather likeable, radioshack-esque bunch!
And y'all better surrender now, my star brother is going to bury you alive :rofl:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-aiming-to-race-fearless-and-free-in-2012
The fearless and free era starts now :afro:

Shaking with fear.
But I thought likeable and radioshack-esque were mutually exclusive? :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 01, 2012, 04:59:58 AM
Shaking with fear.
But I thought likeable and radioshack-esque were mutually exclusive? :P
Last year I learnt my lesson, so this time went with the under 40yo part of the team :P
Plus guys like Rogers or fearless Tom, not RadioShack per se, but a bit radio-esque...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 01, 2012, 12:52:25 PM
Of those five, a few might turn out very good value for money (have a feeling Breschel might score big, for instance), and a few might be duds. But that's a risk with any rider, really.

Yeah, but most of them are big question marks. Renshaw will finally be able to ride for himself, we don't know how good he is at that yet. Langeveld doesn't always score in WT races, but maybe his new team will inspire him. Breschel showed some signs of greatness in the past, but last season was totally lost, will he come back stronger than ever or will he get injured again? Thomas showed last Tour he's a great talent, but will he get his chance or will he be a teammate in all big races? And will Taaramae get better during the years or has he already reached the level he blongs to?

I only have one insurance from my team: Johnny will be attacking a lot to score points for me  :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PAT on February 02, 2012, 06:20:59 AM
Why exactly was the Malacarne deal classified as an Invalid Transaction?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 02, 2012, 06:26:21 AM
My guess would be: Because you (probably by accident) started two bidding threads for Malacarne. To avoid problems, one of them was invalidated. You still got Malacarne on your team via the other thread that was left open - and is now in the "Completed Transactions" section. And Malacarne is on your roster:
Lampre - ISD (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AkcB6O2W_VrtdEVFVFdBN09JNF9yaWExQ1Q5Q3Q3ZlE&hl=en_US&gid=7)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 02, 2012, 06:40:16 AM
Fus is correct, that's pretty much what happened.  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PAT on February 02, 2012, 10:06:56 AM
Thank you, didn't realize. Sorry 'bout that.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 02, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
Yeah, they call me Greased Lightning, fixing problems before you even realize there is a problem. ;)

 :bacon:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 02, 2012, 12:17:32 PM
In that case we're the perfect tandem, coz they call me Captain Slow!
After weeks of brainstorming at MIT, and subsequent testing at CERN, we have the technology!
Ladies and gentlemen. From Los Angeles, California. Searchable list of all riders:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AkcB6O2W_VrtdEVFVFdBN09JNF9yaWExQ1Q5Q3Q3ZlE&hl=en_US&gid=22
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 02, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
 :disco:
That sure puts that computer which can convert brainwaves into speech to shame!

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on February 03, 2012, 05:39:12 AM
I would prefer the new guy tdub search for cyclists by himself instead of only bid at the cyclists other players are bringing on the market.

In the endgame of the auction it is more and more searching for good riders. Now we do all the work and tdub takes them because he has still budget.

So to all other managers with a few budget (that's almost everybody) please stop with starting new bidtopics. Let's give tdub some time to search his own riders.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 03, 2012, 05:55:37 AM
I only want to clarify that the above is an opinion of one user. Not starting your own auctions does not violate the etiquette or any rule whatsoever. In fact, if someone doesn't have the time or the knowledge to find riders on his own, I - as the league manager - encourage him to play the game exactly the way it is most enjoyable for him.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on February 03, 2012, 07:14:42 AM
I agree with garfield. Everyone can play it on his own way. that's why I try to organize my collegues in the same situation as where I am in.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 03, 2012, 08:21:39 AM
Sorry for the late comeback on the Steegmans voting. Time is against me as I have to prepare for my Web Design exam on Wednesday. I'll see what I can do though.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 03, 2012, 08:30:09 AM
No worries, tony. :)
And heck, there were still more than 12 hours to go on Steegmans. That's not really a late bid at all.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PAT on February 03, 2012, 12:20:40 PM
I have to say you have a point there, scylla.
I've brought in a bunch of riders, now I'll let things go for a few days...  see what kinds of riders will still be up there after the weekend.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 03, 2012, 03:04:56 PM
Let's not gang up on the new guy though. Keep in mind that he still has an entire team to build, and "finding your own riders" isn't nearly as simple as it was a few weeks ago. Sure, if you know a lot about cycling, you can still dig up a few half decent prospects, but the bulk of the talent is either in a team or being bid on. So with at least 15 riders still to sign, it's not like he has much of a choice.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 04, 2012, 04:05:06 AM
I do have an actual complaint about tdub5157 though:
That he often bids more than he actually needs to (e.g., instead of going to 90k for Iglinskiy (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47768.0)) is annoying, but perfectly within the rules.

It's not within the rules, however, what he bid on Larsson (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=48093.0), Lopez Garcia (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47932.0) or Marcato (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=45490.0) - he's below the 10% increase (rounded up) here.

tdub5157, please make only correct bids in the future.
And, if possible, not on the riders I'm keen on... ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 04, 2012, 04:25:02 AM
It's not within the rules, however, what he bid on Larsson (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=48093.0), Lopez Garcia (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47932.0) or Marcato (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=45490.0) - he's below the 10% increase (rounded up) here.

Thanks! I made some corrections, and sent an explanatory PM :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 04, 2012, 10:31:46 AM
On another note: exactly 1 month to go until the start of Paris-Nice.
 :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 05, 2012, 09:44:53 AM
pimmen has become overly optimistic about the chances of a certain Dutch cyclist of scoring WT points... :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 05, 2012, 10:31:31 AM
Nah, I only got 70k left to bid with, I tried it on 10 different riders but to no avail. So I got tired of it and decided his legendary status should earn him a spot in my team  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on February 05, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Oh just Bobby, I thought you were talking about a certain Ron Broersma. :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 05, 2012, 12:30:20 PM
Oh just Bobby, I thought you were talking about a certain Ron Broersma. :toast:

LQL!

Nah, I only got 70k left to bid with, I tried it on 10 different riders but to no avail. So I got tired of it and decided his legendary status should earn him a spot in my team  :toth:

You will see no opposition from me. And wouldn't it be great - a Ronde in the same conditions as that incredible KBK? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 05, 2012, 04:59:24 PM
Official warning for tdub5157, who went over the budget. :(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 05, 2012, 07:09:23 PM
And wouldn't it be great - a Ronde in the same conditions as that incredible KBK? :thumbsup:

there are no words that can describe how awesome that would be
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Geezar10 on February 06, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
Unlucky for the Saxo Bank manager!  :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on February 06, 2012, 03:03:22 PM
I say let him get rid of Contador. The season hasn't started, it pretty much ruins the game if you're screwed before the game even begins.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on February 06, 2012, 03:18:16 PM
I say let him get rid of Contador. The season hasn't started, it pretty much ruins the game if you're screwed before the game even begins.

Still at this point there isn't any good rider left on the market that could replace Contador. So I think it does too much difference if can get rid of him or not. And don't forget Contador will be back for La Vuelta ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 06, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
If Saxo Bank doesn't fire him, and if Saxo Bank won't lose their WT status, then it might be worth it to wait until the Vuelta indeed.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Bushwackers on February 06, 2012, 04:12:18 PM
Actually, its true that he will probably get the same points from the Vuelta than he would from the Tour, maybe even more. The big loss will be the week long races in the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PAT on February 06, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
The Fenn topic seems to be invalid, as Andrew is already part of the Garmin squad, right?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alexlnumber1 on February 06, 2012, 05:27:13 PM
Yep bid on fenn is invalid, my mistake apologies guys.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 08, 2012, 08:22:36 AM
Sorry to disappoint alex.buck, but Michael Schär (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=49537.0) also is on a team already. No. 6 on the Astana roster (where he's spelled Schar, without the dots).

Another one for invalid bids.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 08, 2012, 10:17:21 AM
Fixed, and fixed.  :)

:toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on February 08, 2012, 03:03:04 PM
For when we get to the races. This link might be good for picking riders. They have startlists for every race from .1 and above, so should be more than adequate for our needs.

http://www.cyclingfever.com/startlist.html (http://www.cyclingfever.com/startlist.html)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 09, 2012, 10:42:15 AM
I'm still here. Was busy preparing for my exam and then it turned out it was next week, d'oh. I'll gather myself together over the weekend and see what I can do to complete my roster.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 09, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
As you all probably noticed, we decided to change the format and do the Grand Tours only.

Those of you who spent money on classics riders: tough luck!

Did anyone buy that? Didn't think so. Not sure what happened there, just some small technical glitch thingamajig, I assume. :)

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jonathan on February 10, 2012, 02:13:30 AM
I'm Sorry , I did not know them himself booked.  :o

Thats awesome. Now I know why the Hispanics always laugh at my Spanish. Translate is a nice tool though, and so many languages can be translated.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 10, 2012, 02:40:16 AM
Did anyone buy that? Didn't think so. Not sure what happened there, just some small technical glitch thingamajig, I assume. :)

Working on it :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 10, 2012, 03:16:10 AM
As you all probably noticed, we decided to change the format and do the Grand Tours only.

Those of you who spent money on classics riders: tough luck!

Did anyone buy that? Didn't think so. Not sure what happened there, just some small technical glitch thingamajig, I assume. :)

Well, you had me for a short while. :doh:
Reading this stuff in the morning isn't good for my heart.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 10, 2012, 09:36:59 AM
I have spent all my money now, now I'll have to wait for Paris-Nice to start  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 10, 2012, 10:48:19 AM
Well, you had me for a short while. :doh:
Reading this stuff in the morning isn't good for my heart.

 :win:
Small technical glitch thingamajig seems to be fixed, so the joke no longer works, but glad my early morning hand-wringing didn't go completely to waste.   :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on February 11, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
My team is now complete! Let the magic begin!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 16, 2012, 04:46:10 AM
Idea: riding with same 8 dudes for E3+GW+RvV+PR or AGR+FW+LBL or Montreal+Quebec.
Useful simplification or useless limitation?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 16, 2012, 07:26:06 AM
Idea: riding with same 8 dudes for E3+GW+RvV+PR or AGR+FW+LBL or Montreal+Quebec.
Useful simplification or useless limitation?

To expand on that idea: it would result in less time wasted for selections, plus no advantage for those who had the opportunity to catch E3 on TV before assessing the form of GW/RvV/PR favourites. And it's not like we each have more than 8 Paris-Roubaix specialists anyway.

In other news, first draft:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3000/44214716.png

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 16, 2012, 09:11:59 AM
I think my micro-managing self would prefer to stay on manual control. :)

Simplification-wise, it seems fairly simple already to copy-paste the same 8 guys into the sign up topic of the other races - even well in advance if you're going on vacation or something.

In practice, sure, it might come down to most of us signing up the same 8 guys for those batches of races. But that's not a given.

E3 and Gent-Wevelgem, for instance, had significantly different starting fields last year. (Cancellara won the first, Boonen the other, both without the presence of the other, which was an interesting "can't quite compare" build up to RvV.) That said, they were on Sat and Sunday last year, and I think E3 wasn't World Tour yet. Now they moved E3 to Friday, undoubtedly hoping the big guys will do both, but wait and see how that'll turn out.
G-W may also attract some sprinters who won't bother to do RvV or Roubaix. Or there may be continental guys who get a wildcard for one but not the other. And there are always special cases, like Gilbert, who'll probably skip Roubaix to prepare for the hilly classics.

Points-wise, selecting the same 8 or not probably won't make a big difference - most of us indeed don't have more than 8 specialists. But many of us do have more than 8 guys who might conceivably start in those races. So it'll be a difference in the periphery - replacing dude who got injured in Amstel with 30k helper #9 who may or may not score a handful of points for finishing LBL. Things like that.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep that option.

March-April will be the most fun cycling period of the year, with classics every weekend. The more involved we get during that time, the better. (After that it'll be the Grand Tours, where we'll do plenty of signing up the same 9 guys and then just sit back and comment/hope we made the right choice.) :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 16, 2012, 09:38:26 AM
OK, I'm convinced!

Any comments regarding the selection mechanism in the screenshot?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 16, 2012, 10:10:22 AM
Looks great!

Leave a spot at the end as well - there was some news last week about another Chinese stage race after the Tour of Beijing. Don't think that's final/confirmed yet, but it sounded pretty likely.

Also, this nice visual representation made me think of a question...
Is it allowed to sign up the same rider for different races which take place at the same time?

Obviously that's not something which we'll make a habit of, but I'm mainly thinking when you made a mistake - "Doh! I thought Schleck would ride the Dauphiné but it turns out he's doing Suisse instead" - or in rare special circumstances, like someone who crashes out of the Tour in stage 2 and then starts in Poland a week later.

Personally I see no problem with it - wasting a spot on the wrong rider seems like punishment enough in itself. :) But since we start off with a double billing in March, this sort of situation will undoubtedly come up at some point, so I figured I'd bring it up..
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 16, 2012, 10:56:24 AM
Personally I see no problem with it - wasting a spot on the wrong rider seems like punishment enough in itself. :)

Same here :judge:

Btw, updated version: contracts, selection, and scoring all in one.
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5993/79942466.png
(Here, with PN and TA finished, somebody changed the Xs into the number of points the riders scored. The very last cell compares the sums in columns and rows.)
This way everybody can type in his own selection pre-race and scores post-race. I could share this Google Doc with all members while protecting the sheets, so that everybody can only edit his own sheet. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 16, 2012, 11:16:09 AM
Flu's points on selecting for every race are exactly my thoughts.

And, if the selection is handled via that spreadsheet, it's no problem to sign up riders well in advance (for those who aren't around that week, or want to have it easier), while still giving the nerds the possibility to change their selection right up to the deadline.

I like what I see; keep up the good work, Garfield!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 16, 2012, 11:42:52 AM
Yep, looks great!
You selected 10 riders for the Giro though.  :o

Which is my only consideration with the spreadsheet method - it'll require due vigilance from the moderators to make sure everyone counts correctly etc. Then again, doing some occasional recounts/corrections is probably still better than having to do all the filling out in the first place.

So if everyone solemnly pledges to try as hard as possible not to make too many mistakes, yeah, this'll work nicely. :)

(Also, assuming nobody has principle objections to signing up for a Google account. Probably not, but you never know.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 16, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
Yep, looks great!
You selected 10 riders for the Giro though.  :o

No, I have just showed that selecting 10 riders for the Giro results in a red flag! :P

Which is my only consideration with the spreadsheet method - it'll require due vigilance from the moderators to make sure everyone counts correctly etc. Then again, doing some occasional recounts/corrections is probably still better than having to do all the filling out in the first place.

For starters, we're all gentlemen, thus I'm sure everybody will try not to make mistakes!
Plus, I will make a local copy of the spreadsheet just before every race starts, so that the team selection is frozen.
Finally, if any results stand out as fishy typos, they can be checked within seconds.

(Also, assuming nobody has principle objections to signing up for a Google account. Probably not, but you never know.)

Shhhhhhhh, don't give them any ideas ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 16, 2012, 12:02:39 PM
Ooh, right, I see the red flag thingamajig now. I stand corrected. :)

 :winner:

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 16, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
On another note: I spent a bit of time putting a bunch of names on the "free agents" list.
Obviously the big names are pretty much gone, so many of the names on that list are of the "30k" variety, but there are still a few interesting riders on that list. Figured it'd be a good starting point for those who've been out of the loop a bit the last weeks and still need to fill their roster.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 17, 2012, 04:12:35 AM
On another note: I spent a bit of time putting a bunch of names on the "free agents" list.
Obviously the big names are pretty much gone, so many of the names on that list are of the "30k" variety, but there are still a few interesting riders on that list. Figured it'd be a good starting point for those who've been out of the loop a bit the last weeks and still need to fill their roster.

Thanks :toast:
Still, every person about to start a new auction should quickly check the tab "All" to make sure the rider is not on another team already.

In other news, have a sneak peek at the Rosters Doc. It's 90% ready, with every team now able to see contracts + team selection + scoring in one screen, plus there are separate sortable sheets for Team Rankings and Rider Rankings (the latter under construction).

Oh, and 2012 jerseys are in the game! Who da man? :taco: :bacon: :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 17, 2012, 10:57:13 AM
I like it a lot  :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 21, 2012, 06:29:36 PM
There's another invalid bid:
Simon Špilak is already signed by Katusha (in fact as a keeper), so the auction thread for Simon Spilak should be closed.
And maybe Spilak, and any other riders that have a háček or other diacritical sign in their name, should be spelt without these in the riders' list.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 22, 2012, 03:00:38 AM
There's another invalid bid:
Simon Špilak is already signed by Katusha (in fact as a keeper), so the auction thread for Simon Spilak should be closed.
And maybe Spilak, and any other riders that have a háček or other diacritical sign in their name, should be spelt without these in the riders' list.

Thanks! Flu is quicker than a bullet as usual, already dealt with it.

I'd say if the only penalty is the occasional duplicate bidding, the added coolness of having the real Michał Gołaś outweighs it :P

Everybody, remember to pick your PN and TA riders soon :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 22, 2012, 10:15:41 AM
I'd say if the only penalty is the occasional duplicate bidding, the added coolness of having the real Michał Gołaś outweighs it :P

I agree. And try to get any non-Pole to pronounce that.... ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 22, 2012, 01:22:34 PM
Just thought I'd repeat the link which Jevo posted a few weeks ago:

http://www.cyclingfever.com/startlist.html (http://www.cyclingfever.com/startlist.html)

It has full (provisional) start lists now for Paris-Nice and Tirreno.

Exactly 8 riders of my team are participating in P-N, and 7 in T-A. No hard choices to make quite yet, then.

Blah @Roelandts' broken neck though. No classics for him. :(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 22, 2012, 01:46:00 PM
Just thought I'd repeat the link which Jevo posted a few weeks ago:

http://www.cyclingfever.com/startlist.html (http://www.cyclingfever.com/startlist.html)

It has full (provisional) start lists now for Paris-Nice and Tirreno.

Exactly 8 riders of my team are participating in P-N, and 7 in T-A. No hard choices to make quite yet, then.

Blah @Roelandts' broken neck though. No classics for him. :(

Thanks :toast:
6 and 7 here, with Rogers, Danielson, Fuglsang, and Frank all missing :(
But since this year they will all finish in top10 of Grand Tours, I forgive them!

In the future, I guess this thread will be the perfect place to post once somebody notices another full startlist popped up!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on February 22, 2012, 02:22:23 PM
Just 4 riders for me in Paris-Nice. And 9 eligible for Tirreno-Adriatico.

And a question. Are we going to have a topic for each race in the World Tour calendar?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 22, 2012, 02:25:35 PM
And a question. Are we going to have a topic for each race in the World Tour calendar?

For discussion, you mean?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on February 22, 2012, 02:46:27 PM
For discussion, you mean?

Yes, for discussions. Sorry I wasn't clear, I'm a bit tired.

It would be nice to have topics for each race with the start list and the stage profiles included in the first post. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 22, 2012, 03:09:03 PM
Yes, for discussions. Sorry I wasn't clear, I'm a bit tired.

It would be nice to have topics for each race with the start list and the stage profiles included in the first post. :)

That sounds awesome!
In other news, plus you're screwed: now the burden is on you to start the first one :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alex.buck on February 22, 2012, 03:15:32 PM
That sounds awesome!
In other news, plus you're screwed: now the burden is on you to start the first one :P

There will be one for Paris Nice pretty soon :D
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 22, 2012, 05:53:15 PM
Nice.

I have a suggestion for the Google Doc: It would be very helpful to add a column (next to the riders' names) with the code for the team they ride for (in reality, I mean). That would make it easier to check startlists for any of your riders. I tend to forget who I did or didn't sign...
Only a suggestion though.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 22, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Checking the startlists, I have only 5 riders for Paris-Nice, but 13 for Tirreno-Adriatico!
Tough decisions...

Do I have to put 3 riders that won't ride on the list for P-N, or can I select less than 8?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 22, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
Do I have to put 3 riders that won't ride on the list for P-N, or can I select less than 8?

You can put fewer. That's why it's a yellow background (as in, warning or note to self) and not red like when you select 9 (as in, error that disqualifies your from the race).

I guess your TA attendance is like this just because it's a very Italian team, which is cool and realistic. I guess more or less naturally each of us will take 1-2 races like this. Think VCaPV for Euskaltel, or French races for Ag2r...

New column added. I called it "Notes or real team" and everybody should feel free to use it as they please!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 23, 2012, 04:24:09 AM
Word is Offredo got a 1-year suspension for his three whereabouts misses.
Meh. I thought that case was going to be resolved the same way that Alex Rasmussen's did - no suspension, free to ride.
And as far as I know, they've both got rather the same case. CAS appeal coming up?

In any case, at least there's some good from my signing him for two years - I'll have him for 2013... :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on February 23, 2012, 01:38:02 PM
Ligthart is mentioned for both Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico, that would be amazing  :thumbsup:

Meanwhile though, my last transfer for 30k just became 6th in the Ruta del Sol, go Tom Dumoulin!  :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 25, 2012, 04:49:13 PM
I added an extra sheet called "Ctrl panel" to the spreadsheet. From now on, if you're late selecting your team, Flu and myself can kick your ass more efficiently :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 26, 2012, 06:21:43 AM
I'm seriously embarrassed by my lack of activity, amid my exams etc I forgot about this. I need min 6 more riders right?

Again apologies.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 26, 2012, 06:53:16 AM
I'm seriously embarrassed by my lack of activity, amid my exams etc I forgot about this. I need min 6 more riders right?

Again apologies.

Only five, you have 15 already.
FDJ (fignon) needs 7 more riders too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 26, 2012, 07:21:17 AM
I'm seriously embarrassed by my lack of activity, amid my exams etc I forgot about this. I need min 6 more riders right?

Again apologies.

Welcome back :toast:

It's between 5 and 15 actually. Get to work!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 26, 2012, 07:52:46 AM
Right, I'll do cross checking between the real life rosters and the players rosters on here so I don't do any repeats. I'll have nothing to do apart from watch K-B-K today anyway :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 26, 2012, 10:05:13 AM
The free agents list is pretty much up to date - though of course non-conclusive. Might be a good starting point. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 26, 2012, 10:19:56 AM
There's a free agents list? Where? :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 26, 2012, 10:46:19 AM
It's a tab in the google doc.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AkcB6O2W_VrtdEVFVFdBN09JNF9yaWExQ1Q5Q3Q3ZlE&hl=en_US&gid=20 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0AkcB6O2W_VrtdEVFVFdBN09JNF9yaWExQ1Q5Q3Q3ZlE&hl=en_US&gid=20)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 26, 2012, 10:53:12 AM
D'oh. Didn't even notice it when looking before :) Ta muchly, I'll put up some bidding topics then and if I'm mistaken feel free to correct me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on February 26, 2012, 10:56:34 AM
Will do. :)

The "All" tab in the google doc is also handy, as you can do a search on there (CTRL F) to check if a rider is already taken.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 26, 2012, 11:20:29 AM
Some topics up. I'm not going for the minimum, just want to keep things orderly :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on February 27, 2012, 12:17:25 PM
I'm seriously embarrassed by my lack of activity, amid my exams etc I forgot about this. I need min 6 more riders right?

Again apologies.

Goes for me too........will look for and bid for, well just about anything without a contract this evening

Staying away from tonys bids off course ;-)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 27, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
will look for and bid for, well just about anything without a contract this evening

Sounds great!

Also, not everybody has sent me their Google Acounts yet.
Let me remind you that's the only way to select your riders for the actual races :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on February 28, 2012, 08:47:10 AM
just saw the video,
do you really expect everybody counts their own points? Seems ridiculous, we never will have a up to date ranking.  as well it is far from efficient. why do not copy paste the cq result of a race and use formula's?

another question, how do we check if managers selecting their riders on time (what is on time anyway?)?

ho do we execute our transfers?

 
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on February 28, 2012, 10:26:29 AM
Will sort a Google Account this evening (before I go to class) and will definitely have a selection for Paris-Nice before Friday. I check back here several times a day, even when I don't log in, so don't worry I know what I have to do. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 28, 2012, 11:00:29 AM
@Tony: Big Brother says thanks :thumbsup:

do you really expect everybody counts their own points? Seems ridiculous, we never will have a up to date ranking.  as well it is far from efficient. why do not copy paste the cq result of a race and use formula's?

Of course I'm always open to improvements.

However, I doubt there is such thing as "cq result of a race". AFAIK you can only check the GC, and then all the stages separately, e.g.: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=21592

So either way someone would have A LOT of typing to do. Thus, since I assume you're at least vaguely interested in the results of your guys anyway, it won't hurt that much to see yourself how the 8 of them did, rider-by-rider.

another question, how do we check if managers selecting their riders on time (what is on time anyway?)?

The deadline is indicated in the cell just below the title race. This Saturday morning, I'll make myself a copy of the spreadsheet and keep it in the archives. That way if somebody changes his Paris-Nice selection later, I'll know.

ho do we execute our transfers?

Via PM with the other team owner. Once a rider is sold, you start a new thread in the Transactions board. Once the other party confirms, the rider is moved by Flu or myself.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 29, 2012, 01:51:39 PM
@scylla (and others, as a warning):
please do not edit the names of your riders. It will make the whole system crash. Please limit yourselves to team selection and scores. I'm gonna fix BMC now.

PS
Remember that selecting more than 8 riders per race will lead to zero points scored by the whole team.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 01, 2012, 12:38:47 PM
which system, all the work  has to do manually by the managers themselves.. you expect me to count my own poiints, im only able to do that with aligning the names with cqquotient. your call, changing my names will lead to no score updating from my side, it's up to you.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
which system

The Riders Ranking.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on March 01, 2012, 01:14:08 PM
Just to make sure I've got this understood. I use the Google Doc (sent to my account) to make my selection? How do I finalize it? (Ie does it need to be sent, saved?)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
Just to make sure I've got this understood. I use the Google Doc (sent to my account) to make my selection? How do I finalize it? (Ie does it need to be sent, saved?)

Hmmm are you sure you watched the Youtube tutorial?
Yes, it's that doc, and it's saved automatically.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on March 01, 2012, 01:24:16 PM
 :doh:Forgot to watch the youtube video
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 01, 2012, 02:45:48 PM
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Quote from: scylla on Today at 05:38:47 PM
which system


The Riders Ranking.

I can change it there also, if you authorize me offcourse. Think it's better to change all names make them equally with cqranking. That will be a lot easier for everyone.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
I can change it there also, if you authorize me offcourse. Think it's better to change all names make them equally with cqranking. That will be a lot easier for everyone.

I don't understand why it's so ridiculous for you to have a guy called "Cadel Evans" here and type "Evans" into CQ. Is it really that confusing?

Are other people also seeing this as a problem?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 01, 2012, 02:52:51 PM
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Remember that selecting more than 8 riders per race will lead to zero points scored by the whole team.

I think this only is fair when a team with no riders per race also will lead to zero points. Now someone who does nothing is awarded with the selection of his expensivest rider (probably 90% of the total amount of points he can get) and someone who is active and made a preselection of 10 riders and misses the deadline with withdrawing one of them on the last day get a full penalty.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 02:54:13 PM
I think this only is fair when a team with no riders per race also will lead to zero points. Now someone who does nothing is awarded with the selection of his expensivest rider (probably 90% of the total amount of points he can get) and someone who is active and made a preselection of 10 riders and misses the deadline with withdrawing one of them on the last day get a full penalty.

You have a point. Should we say the top 8 best paid guys from the preselection score?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 01, 2012, 02:58:34 PM
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I don't understand why it's so ridiculous for you to have a guy called "Cadel Evans" here and type "Evans" into CQ. Is it really that confusing?

Are other people also experiencing this?

Im not typing Evans into CQ, if all riders have the same name as in CQ, I can calculate the points of every rider directly by using the result on CQ. Actually a moderator can do the same and do it at once for every rider in every team, that would be a lot easier. I already have one PM of one of the managers who is not going to count his points, combine that with the lack of activity of some of the managers and like I said before we will never have an up to date ranking
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 01, 2012, 03:00:29 PM
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You have a point. Should we say the top 8 best paid guys from the preselection score?

That's the other option, which is more comfortable for me as a manager, but will give more work for you.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
Im not typing Evans into CQ, if all riders have the same name as in CQ, I can calculate the points of every rider directly by using the result on CQ.

I'm sorry, but I still don't understand the difference. To my understanding I need the same effort independently from whether my guys are called Name Surname or SURNAME Name. If there is something I don't understand, maybe you could try to rephrase, post a screenshot, or something?

Actually a moderator can do the same and do it at once for every rider in every team, that would be a lot easier.

Are you saying you're volunteering to type in the results for all riders? (Because I'm afraid I won't find the time.)

I already have one PM of one of the managers who is not going to count his points, combine that with the lack of activity of some of the managers and like I said before we will never have an up to date ranking

It's not that I don't believe you, but I'll start worrying only if I have such a PM. And if somebody doesn't want to participate, he can be replaced by a person on the waiting list.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
That's the other option, which is more comfortable for me as a manager, but will give more work for you.

Well the only other solution would be to say "no selection, no score". Transparent and without additional time waste. Would that be fair in your opinion?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 01, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
I'm sorry, but I still don't understand the difference. To my understanding I need the same effort independently from whether my guys are called Name Surname or SURNAME Name. If there is something I don't understand, maybe you could try to rephrase, post a screenshot, or something?

Yeah, this. I don't see a practical difference either?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 01, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
If you copy paste a cq result of a race, you can easily link points from the paste format, but only if the name is exactly the same, a computer doesnt understand o.freire is the same as freire gomiz oscar. Actually you are using this as well, in the rider ranking. Why does it matter for you that names in my teampage differ from the rider ranking.?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 01, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
I still don't quite get it. (But admittedly, I only have a very basic knowledge of google docs etc., perhaps Garfield will understand better.)

I think I understand roughly what you're trying to say, but... "copy paste a CQ result of a race" ?
- paste where to?
- the CQ result of a race has to be added up, in case of stage races. Because the CQ site doesn't do that. It lists the points from the GC seperately from the points earned in each individual stage.

And you answered your last question yourself? The names on the team pages and the Rider Ranking page have to be the same, otherwise they're not linked.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 01, 2012, 06:41:48 PM
I think I understand roughly what you're trying to say, but... "copy paste a CQ result of a race" ?
- paste where to?
- the CQ result of a race has to be added up, in case of stage races. Because the CQ site doesn't do that. It lists the points from the GC seperately from the points earned in each individual stage.

My point exactly. There is zero copy-and-paste potential in either case, unless scylla can prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 02, 2012, 02:27:46 AM
If you dont want to understand it, it will become difficult...

you both understand that is easy to have the same name in the teampages as in the rider ranking, but you dont understand it's easy to have the same name as in cqranking.....

unfortunately this discussion looks like  a waste of time. Like I said before it' s your call.....
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 02, 2012, 03:16:52 AM
If you dont want to understand it, it will become difficult...

Trust me, I want to understand. But you'll have to give a single concrete example of how this helps before you convince me to spend hours changing all the names.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 02, 2012, 04:53:41 AM
make a tab called "results" and authorize me for that tab, I will give an example
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 02, 2012, 05:01:34 AM
make a tab called "results" and authorize me for that tab, I will give an example

Done, a one to one copy of the spreadsheet we use. You should have received an email. Feel free to edit any sheet. I shared with Flu too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 02, 2012, 11:00:53 AM
As a total noob (at least in regard to spreadsheets and the like) I'll give my perspective:
For me, it's far easier - and faster! - to find the 8 riders I've selected for a race, calculate their points manually and then enter the points manually than learning to copy some result and then do that for every stage (which you will have to do if you do it this way, there is no complete points score for a race on CQ). And it doesn't require someone (whoever that may be) writing some formula for a spreadsheet to "read" the results automatically etc.

Having looked at the new results sheet, I can already see one limitation: CQ gives points to every rider finishing a WT race, even no. 193. I don't know if there's enough room in that spreadsheet for all those entries. And even if there were, I don't see the system scylla proposes as easily understandable.
And to me, calculating the points of my riders after a race is part of the fun. It shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes per stage race (maybe 10-15 for a GT) and only a few minutes per one-day race, and I find it far more satisfying than having a computer calculate my points.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 03, 2012, 06:43:54 AM
Update: scylla showed me yesterday that indeed automation is possible (with a nice function I didn't know). Thanks for that! Plus, unfortunately he is correct: it takes only one manager refusing to enter his own scores and we'd all get a partial result only.

One thing led to another, and I revamped the sheet completely: now you'll enter your selection into the usual column, but there is another column where your score will automatically appear once we enter the race results into the new sheet 'Results'.

I'm wondering whether to make a new Youtube tutorial, since it's a rather cosmetic change for the users. Thoughts?

One last big problem is that the names must match the CQ names now. Which is a lot of work of course. Therefore, here is a favour I'd like to ask everyone: would you be willing to change the names of your riders yourself? Hopefully it doesn't take longer than 10 minutes. You'd have to go over to CQ and copy-paste the names here. In most cases it's a sheer reversal first name vs. last name (and it's not case sensitive), but some nationalities have double names, strange accents, and whatnot. The computer needs a 100% match, so it's always much safer to paste them than it is to type them in.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on March 03, 2012, 07:00:51 AM
will do chief..............at least sometime before the end of PN :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 03, 2012, 09:33:51 AM
done  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 03, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
will do chief..............at least sometime before the end of PN :afro:

awesome :judge:

done  :toth:

awesomer :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 03, 2012, 11:21:19 AM
done  :toth:

Me too. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on March 03, 2012, 01:00:45 PM
I'll get it done tonight, no problem. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: tonymcf on March 03, 2012, 03:34:35 PM
Just to confirm I'm on my way to take care of this.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on March 04, 2012, 06:53:46 AM
done
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 04, 2012, 03:33:08 PM
Since one of my riders just won the first stage...
 :toth:
...it made me wonder whether the Results tab of the google doc shouldn't have one more row per stage? (The GC leader gets 10 points for each day in yellow.)

(Clearly this needs to be fixed urgently, so the results of the first stage can be filled in as soon as possible and the ranking can gloriously show my team on top.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 04, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
(Clearly this needs to be fixed urgently, so the results of the first stage can be filled in as soon as possible and the ranking can gloriously show my team on top.)

Clearly.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 04, 2012, 05:36:36 PM
I will CLEARLY have a look how exactly the CQ website deals with it over the next couple of days. And then I'll CLEARLY adapt the sheet accordingly :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on March 05, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
name changed done :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 06, 2012, 10:14:15 PM
I just noticed that Leipheimer's points weren't coming through to the team page etc. despite no spelling errors, and it turned out to be because there was an extra space behind his name - "LEIPHEIMER Levi " basically.

Just figured I'd put it in here, in case any more like these pop up in the future, so you all know where to look and can possibly fix it yourself, before shouting "Garfield's formula is wrongz0rz!" (which was my first reaction.) ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 07, 2012, 08:28:38 AM
"Garfield's formula is wrongz0rz!"

That (and EXACTLY that) will always be my first reaction.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 07, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
That (and EXACTLY that) will always be my first reaction.

Correction: the spelling should be "wrongz0rz!!!!!!!!11111111111111!"
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 07, 2012, 02:27:48 PM
Correction: the spelling should be "wrongz0rz!!!!!!!!11111111111111!"

wrongz0rz!

and you know it... :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alexlnumber1 on March 08, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
Names updated.......done correctly I hope!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 08, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
Thank you everybody! (Double thanks to scylla who ended up doing it twice, since I foolishly deleted his first attempt.) All teams but the troublemakers (Saxo, Sky) are now completely automatic.

I have now updated all points and sorted both rankings :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 09, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
all rankings updated :judge:
(and Bennati fired for that fantastic sprint)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 11, 2012, 05:09:18 PM
I just noticed that Leipheimer's points weren't coming through to the team page etc. despite no spelling errors, and it turned out to be because there was an extra space behind his name - "LEIPHEIMER Levi " basically.

Thanks again for that remark, made me realize right now why some Euskaltel and Katusha riders weren't scoring points. It's corrected now, and all the rankings are updated post-PN.

Question to all of you: if Saxo find a new directeur sportif, should we be lenient with him and assume that - if given the chance - he would have selected the riders that actually participated in the first two races?

Being basically half a team, and having Contador suspended are two huge deterrents already. I personally think losing Westra's breakout performance would only add insult to injury. Thoughts?

PS
Same applies to Sky of course. But to a much lower extent, since it's the big boys scoring big points there.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 11, 2012, 05:50:46 PM
Question to all of you: if Saxo find a new directeur sportif, should we be lenient with him and assume that - if given the chance - he would have selected the riders that actually participated in the first two races?

Being basically half a team, and having Contador suspended are two huge deterrents already. I personally think losing Westra's breakout performance would only add insult to injury. Thoughts?

PS
Same applies to Sky of course. But to a much lower extent, since it's the big boys scoring big points there.

I wouldn't have any problems with it.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 11, 2012, 06:45:07 PM
Me neither, it would be a shame if this holds back someone from joining.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on March 12, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
Fine for me!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 14, 2012, 11:37:17 AM
To Garfield or Flu:  :toth:

Could you remove the space that is in front of Johnnys name in the Rider page? I already removed it in my team sheet and as far as I could see Johnny was the only rider in my team with that bug.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 14, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
To Garfield or Flu:  :toth:

Could you remove the space that is in front of Johnnys name in the Rider page? I already removed it in my team sheet and as far as I could see Johnny was the only rider in my team with that bug.

Done :judge:
(also for Katusha and some other riders.)

Flu, or anybody else: could I get some help importing the results? It's extremely easy, and I'll be out of the country quite a bit the next month or two. You just copy the results (e.g. http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=22147) and paste them into cell BK2 of the sheet 'Results'. Then you cut and paste the names and the points into the column of interest.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on March 14, 2012, 01:29:58 PM
In the result sheet regarding Tirreno SØRENSEN NICKI is spelled SŘRENSEN Nicki - could someone correct it please - FDJ could do with the 14 additional points 
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 14, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
In the result sheet regarding Tirreno SØRENSEN NICKI is spelled SŘRENSEN Nicki - could someone correct it please - FDJ could do with the 14 additional points

Done! (Wake up, CQ intern!) :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 14, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
Flu, or anybody else: could I get some help importing the results? It's extremely easy, and I'll be out of the country quite a bit the next month or two. You just copy the results (e.g. http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=22147) and paste them into cell BK2 of the sheet 'Results'. Then you cut and paste the names and the points into the column of interest.

Aye, no worries, we'll figure it out. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 14, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
Aye, no worries, we'll figure it out. :)

Cheers, I knew I could count on you! :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 17, 2012, 01:38:16 PM
To Garfield and/or Flu:  :toth:

Would it be possible to "Freeze Panes" in the Sign up sheets?

That way, later on in the game, when we have to scroll to the right to sign up our riders, we would still be able to see the rider names in the left column. That would possibly avoid some mistakes when signing up riders.

In Excel it's just one button, but I don't know how that converts to Google Docs...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 17, 2012, 01:58:17 PM
That's a good suggestion.  :thumbsup:
I'm going to have to let Garfield check that out, though. My knowledge of google docs and excel is too limited to start experimenting with that. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 18, 2012, 05:15:10 AM
And while we're at it, how does one sort the riders ranking again?
I forgot, and can't figure it out on my own.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 18, 2012, 06:32:55 AM
Would it be possible to "Freeze Panes" in the Sign up sheets?

Done :toast:

And while we're at it, how does one sort the riders ranking again?
I forgot, and can't figure it out on my own.

One doesn't, unfortunately. Accidentally selecting a wrong data range for sorting would lead to a mess, so leave it to us for now. But I suspect why you asked, so I have just sorted it for you :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 19, 2012, 09:45:53 AM
Rein Taaramae has Pfeiffers disease (mononucleosis)  :judge: :judge:

I hope this won't cost him his entire season, because that would be 500k wasted  :doh: :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 19, 2012, 10:17:06 AM
Rein Taaramae has Pfeiffers disease (mononucleosis)  :judge: :judge:

I hope this won't cost him his entire season, because that would be 500k wasted  :doh: :doh:

Sux!
Wasn't it the one that kept Rogers looking for his form for a year?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on March 19, 2012, 01:59:50 PM
I doubt it affected Rogers for a year, at least leading up to, since any kind of physical activity is banned for about a month or so when you got mono. It could have affected him form after getting healthy again though. This will probably affect Taaramaes whole season, I wouldn't expect him to be in form before the fall, if anything, I'd advice him to aim for the Vuelta now instead of the Tour. This would also explain why he did so badly in Paris Nice.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on March 19, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
Mollema lost almost an entire season because of this though.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 19, 2012, 04:31:51 PM
Mononucleosis is nothing to take lightly. It basically cost Thomas Vedel Kvist his entire pro career - from neo-pro at Quick Step after some promising U23 years in Belgium to riding for Glud & Marstrand, and retiring last fall.
I'm afraid Taaramäe's season is over until July, and then he'll be in no form to do anything at the Tour. Re-focusing on the Vuelta is the sensible thing to do, and if he gets it right, he could do very well there.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 24, 2012, 02:06:16 AM
Really didn't think Van Impe would go that high  :thumbsup: It's outside the budget I've set myself. haha

The 150k I spent on him was indeed on the high side. Now, adding insult to injury, he just announced his retirement effective immediately. Lost all motivation, apparently. :(
Such a shame. Ah well, hope he finds motivation in whatever new endeavor he attempts.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on March 25, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
Today's chunks of points, from both Catalunya and Wevelgem, have been added up etc.

The verdict, so far: a narrow race at the top, with Liquigas holding on to a small lead over Team Sky and GreenEdge. Vacansoleil and Radioshack form a G2 in 4th and 5th place, all the rest can be considered the "peloton."

In the Rider ranking, Tom Boonen comes to within a handful of points of leader Nibali and looks set to take over the lead next Sunday.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on April 07, 2012, 03:56:36 PM
The Basque points have been added up.

Sammy Sanchez pretty much doubles Euskaltel's points total in one go, and moves into 2nd place in the rider ranking. No threat to Boonen for now though, who will likely extend his lead tomorrow.

No significant changes at the top of the team ranking. Looks like we have a lead group of 7 who broke the 1000 points barrier, with Liquigas still in the lead - and we haven't even reached the Giro yet.


Also, a small service announcement:
I suspect that someone at some point made a small mishap on the Rider Ranking page, as there are a few riders whose salaries got mixed up with those of other riders in their team.
Only had time for a quick glance, but looks to be limited to riders of Euskaltel and Team Sky. Which means it's still within the scope of manual fixing. I'll do that tomorrow, when I have a bit more time, but I thought I'd put it in here, in case anyone gets distraught about Sammy Sanchez seemingly only earning 90k. :) (Or in case anyone else wants to fix it before I get around to it tomorrow.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on April 07, 2012, 04:44:08 PM
I actually noticed that with Sanchez some time ago, but I totally forgot to report it. :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on April 07, 2012, 07:24:09 PM
No worries. Everything is still correct on the team pages etc, so it's mostly a cosmetic glitch. ;)
I'll fix it one of these days.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 11, 2012, 05:30:35 AM
No worries. Everything is still correct on the team pages etc, so it's mostly a cosmetic glitch. ;)
I'll fix it one of these days.

Hey, thanks for all your hard work!
I'm back from double holidays now. It sounds like a couple of months of hell coming up at work, but I'll do my best to keep up with the commish responsibilities!

On another topic, grats to Tommeke and all other big scorers from a rather frustrated GM. Did anybody even hire Turgot? :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on April 11, 2012, 09:40:28 AM
Hey, guys!

I remind you that I have question for you :

Quote
Emmm... Guys , I didn't report Valverde , but... Oh , just look at the UCI WT table. Is it a bug? Or maybe fault of my slow (very) computer?

Just do not think of yourself that I trying to cheat (yes, I exhibited Rojas), just ... Inadvertently insert letters, was in a hurry, and .. You see.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 11, 2012, 09:43:26 AM
Hey, guys!

I remind you that I have question for you :

Just do not think of yourself that I trying to cheat (yes, I exhibited Rojas), just ... Inadvertently insert letters, was in a hurry, and .. You see.

What you write is total gibberish, write me a PM in Polish.

Napisz po polsku na PW, ani slowa sie nie da z tego zrozumiec.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 11, 2012, 06:37:01 PM
All right, after a quick translation, it seems that he accidentally selected Rojas instead of Valverde for VaC. Or the opposite. Anyway, he'd like to rectify that.

I think it's gonna be tough. We've been harsh to other people on this before, now they could feel they've been treated unfairly if we make an exception.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on April 11, 2012, 11:42:32 PM
Yeah... Check the Pais Vasco thread as well. There's another example of this in there as well which is still pending. (there was a brief discussion on it, but I guess we were pretty much waiting for you to return with your hammer.) :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 12, 2012, 03:44:48 AM
Yeah... Check the Pais Vasco thread as well. There's another example of this in there as well which is still pending. (there was a brief discussion on it, but I guess we were pretty much waiting for you to return with your hammer.) :)

Thanks. I replied there. Penny for your thoughts!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on April 12, 2012, 08:43:34 AM
I also replied in the Vasco topic.

As for this case, If we start fixing stuff like this after the races are done then where do we stop? I think it should be your own responsibility to make sure you selected the right riders.

After all, it is the only thing you have to do in this game...

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on April 12, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
+1
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 12, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
High noon it is then from now on :judge:
(With the exception of time trials, where the team selection has to be finalized before the first team/rider takes off.)

(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/19/1921/4TN9D00Z/plakaty/casaro-renato-high-noon.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on April 15, 2012, 03:29:56 PM
Note to the mods:
Could one of you put in the right names for the Saxo Bank riders?
It's bad enough the team is de facto non-existant, they should at least get the few points they've earned with their 8 auto-selected riders.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Flu on April 15, 2012, 03:55:49 PM
Done.  :toth:
You know, I actually never noticed that the names were still wrong. Even thought a few times - jeez, his auto-selected riders aren't doing well.  :rofl:

And with that, all points are up to date, including those of today's Gold Race.

Another decent result for leaders Liquigas - of the nearest competitors, only BMC managed to creep a little bit closer as they move into 2nd place. Will the Ardennes classics see those two teams move away from the rest of the pack?

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on April 22, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
question, is it possible to make a tab with results per team per race?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 22, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
question, is it possible to make a tab with results per team per race?

done, check out the Team Rankings :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 30, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
Warm welcome to bookhouseboy, the new Directeur Sportif of :SaxoBank: :toast:

And a point worth brainstorming: he has 3 awful (no, really, absolutely atrocious) contracts for next season because of the ridiculous bids of the previous DS. Is he supposed to live with them?

If it was up to me, I'd show partial leniency: keep those dudes and their contracts for this season, but then return them to the free agent pool before 2013. A new rule going into the future would say "when taking over a team, the new DS is allowed to shorten any contracts he wishes". I'd like to hear what you guys think!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: bookhouseboy on May 30, 2012, 10:38:32 AM
Warm welcome to bookhouseboy, the new Directeur Sportif of :SaxoBank: :toast:

And a point worth brainstorming: he has 3 awful (no, really, absolutely atrocious) contracts for next season because of the ridiculous bids of the previous DS. Is he supposed to live with them?


Thanks for the welcome!

Since we're only doing WC-races 2 of those contracts seems very overpaid, but to make it fair it have to be all or nothing - and I'd like to free up those contracts for next season to get the team more mine  :toast:

But ofc I can live with another decision as well  :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on May 30, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
I agree on this issue: A new DS should be allowed to release any multi-year contracts.
Teklehaimanot (as much as I love him) is seriously overpaid, and Marcato as well.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on May 30, 2012, 03:16:28 PM
welcome bookhouseboy  :toth:

I think it wouldn't be a problem to let a new DS cancel contracts, but he is of course also allowed to keep them
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on June 03, 2012, 06:43:58 PM
It seems I didn't get any points for Ion Izagirre in the Giro, and he did win a stage, so I should have gotten quite a bit of points for him.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on June 04, 2012, 07:38:45 AM
"Small" request to the community.

Due to being hospitalized (not planned - I assure you) during the first week of May, I didn't get round to entering my team for the Giro, something I would like the opportunity to remedy if (and only if) it's OK with you guys.

The riders I would add are the following (7 in total):
Tanel Kangert
William Bonnet
Branislau Samoilau
Stef Clement
Thomas Rohregger
Anders Lund
Jonas Aaen Jørgensen

I'm fully aware that I could have put forward this request earlier, and whatever the verdict it's fine by me. After all rules are rules, and to quote a very wise man "Fair players don't cheat!" :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on June 04, 2012, 10:29:49 AM
What if we add a new rule. That in case players forget to sign up (for whatever reason) they can do so afterwards, but for only 50% of the points?

Because as we talked about earlier, signing up riders is your main responsibility as a player. So if you don't there should be some penalty. Because else, what's the point of this game?  :thumbsup:

But if players get 0 scores because of this they might lose interest in the game at all, and we need active players!

I think this would be fair, but I don't know if it will be a problem for calculating the points. I suggest something like adding an extra column to the team points ranking where we count we count the penalty points.

F.e. in fignon's case:
Kangert scored 58
Bonnet 2
Samoilau 23
Clement 40
Rohregger 42
Lund 15
Jorgensen 19
----
TOTAL 199

so he would get a penalty of 99,5 points.

This way we can leave the rider ranking as it is, just fill in the points for the riders like they would have been signed up.

An addition could be that in case a team has more than 8 (or 9 in case of a GT) riding in a race, we only count the 8 (or 9) lowest scores.

So if a team had 10 riders in the Giro, his best scoring rider would receive zero.

I think this is fair, and I think on the long term this will keep the game more interesting for everybody.  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: bookhouseboy on June 04, 2012, 11:05:40 AM
What if we add a new rule. That in case players forget to sign up (for whatever reason) they can do so afterwards, but for only 50% of the points?

[...]

An addition could be that in case a team has more than 8 (or 9 in case of a GT) riding in a race, we only count the 8 (or 9) lowest scores.

So if a team had 10 riders in the Giro, his best scoring rider would receive zero.

The first one seems fair (50% points), but the second one (best rider(s) getting 0) seems a bit harsh IMO.
Title: Trash talking
Post by: Colby on June 04, 2012, 11:09:28 AM
Outsider's suggestion... Perhaps, by default, roll over starting lineups for each race.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on June 04, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
The first one seems fair (50% points), but the second one (best rider(s) getting 0) seems a bit harsh IMO.

The point is that if you have less than the maximum amount of riders there is no problem anyway, and I think in most cases people will not have more than the maximum amount of riders in a race (atleast that's how it definitely is for me).

But the point of making selections is that, if you have more than 8 (or 9) riders you have to drop someone. And of course when making your selection you want to prevent dropping the rider who is actually going to score some points for you. If you did not make a selection at all, by default you did not prevent 'dropping' the right rider. Imo you should get punished for that in some way. Perhaps not by not counting the rider with the most points, but I think the whole selection procedure in this game does not allow for just dropping the least scoring rider. That would be too easy  :thumbsup:

Like I said in a previous discussion, as a manager in this game your biggest (if not only at this stage of the game) responsibility is selecting riders. And you could even select all your riders for the entire season right now. So strictly speaking there is no 'excuse' for missing a signup, you've already had 4 months to do it actually  :agent:

And don't forget that we are talking about a new rule here, allowing players who did not sign up to score points anyway. As the rules stand now they would score zero.

So I'm not trying to punish people here, but I'm trying to find a way to give them some points anyway, without neglecting the whole idea of playing this game (which is to actually participate of course)

I'm sure we will reach a fair solution for this.

Garfield, what do you think about this? You are the decider after all.  :toast:
And how do the affected players think about this?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: bookhouseboy on June 04, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
So I'm not trying to punish people here, but I'm trying to find a way to give them some points anyway, without neglecting the whole idea of playing this game (which is to actually participate of course)

With the 50% rule we'll get punished if we forget the deadline, and rightly so.
But taking away the best scoring rider(s) for those that have many riders at the startline in a race will be a more random punishment - if you're lucky you don't have more than 8/9 riders and will not lose the best scoring rider; if you're unlucky you'll have to many riders involved and get an extra punishment.

Hopefully the situation with no startlineup added won't happen too much, but 50% less points in those cases would be enough so we don't forget that too many times, and at the same time it won't be so much that managers give up on the league.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on June 05, 2012, 08:32:44 AM
This is how I understand pimmen's suggestions:

1) Player doesn't sign up ANY riders for a race (like fignon did for the Giro) - riders can be selected retroactively (up to the limit), riders get full amount of points, but team gets a 50% penalty. A good idea in my opinion. Especially as if you have more than 8/9 riders, you will of course select those with the most points.

2) Player signs up MORE THAN 8/9 riders for a race - the rider scoring the most points will be treated as not selected, not scoring any points for his team. This could easily be done via the "penalty column" as well. And - this is where I think bookhouseboy misunderstands - this doesn't apply on top of the scenario described above: fignon missed the deadline for the Giro.
If he would have had 12 riders starting, with the new rules he could select 9 who get their points, minus a 50% penalty. No highest-scoring rider is deleted. But if fignon had selected all 12 riders and hadn't cut 3 before the deadline, the three highest-scoring riders would be deleted.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 05, 2012, 06:31:31 PM
1. Sorry for the silence, just back from short cycling holidays. (Between the internet and la Redoute, the latter always wins :P)

2. I like the idea "too many => 1st scores zero". And indeed, it doesn't apply at all to people who play correctly.

3. Regarding late sign-ups, I have an idea similar to your 50%, but a bit more lenient and easier to implement, i.e. without any additional calculation. How about "you can only select 4 riders"? Yes, it means more than 50% (obviously, you'll select the top 4), but less than 100%, thus you don't want to do it on purpose.

4. That being said, unless others mind, in this very case I'd be willing make an exception based on the circumstances, and apply the good ol' "fair players don't cheat" approach. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on June 06, 2012, 04:06:53 AM
1. Totally understandable... :thumbsup:

2. All in favour say AYE! Only ayes until now, the ayes have it.

3. Sounds even better: It's easier to implement (no need for an extra column), and having only half a team is enough of a punishment.

4. I agree. fignon isn't the person to cheat, and he was very abruptly taken to the hospital and had other things to think about. Giving him a full Giro team (as full as he can make it) will neither make nor break his season, so let him have it. But that should be an extraordinary circumstance, I don't want people to start claiming broken legs, sick dogs and best friends' weddings from now on. ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 06, 2012, 04:14:14 AM
But that should be an extraordinary circumstance, I don't want people to start claiming broken legs, sick dogs and best friends' weddings from now on. ;)

In fact, let's make it official: even if you forget to send in your Tour de Suisse team, it does NOT mean you should jump under a bus as a remedy ;)

PS
That always reminds me of one not-so-smart NBA player, who had a gambling problem and "killed" his grandmother 4 or 5 times in the process of making up excuses when not travelling with the team :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 06, 2012, 06:13:22 AM
It seems I didn't get any points for Ion Izagirre in the Giro, and he did win a stage, so I should have gotten quite a bit of points for him.

Well spotted! He actually brought you quite a few points earlier this season too, but some nearly invisible typo kept him at zero. Solved now :judge:

This serves as a warning for others: if you see any of your riders at zero the whole season long, do report it!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on June 06, 2012, 09:40:06 AM

3. Regarding late sign-ups, I have an idea similar to your 50%, but a bit more lenient and easier to implement, i.e. without any additional calculation. How about "you can only select 4 riders"? Yes, it means more than 50% (obviously, you'll select the top 4), but less than 100%, thus you don't want to do it on purpose.

Hmmm, I don't like the idea of making a selection when you already know how many points they scored. I'd favour the 50% rule myself, but let's put it up for a vote  :toth:

@Fus: AYYYYEEEEEEE

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 06, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
Hmmm, I don't like the idea of making a selection when you already know how many points they scored. I'd favour the 50% rule myself, but let's put it up for a vote  :toth:

How about top 3 only?
(Don't get me wrong. On paper, I do like your idea 5 times more than mine, but it's all about not adding the extra calculation to the spreadsheet unless absolutely unavoidable.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on June 06, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
Well, it would only involve one manually updated column in the team ranking tab.

Just to avoid cases where someone forgot to sign up, had 5 riders participating, of which 2 scored big points and the other 3 zero, so he would still get a massive 100% score.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 06, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Just to avoid cases where someone forgot to sign up, had 5 riders participating, of which 2 scored big points and the other 3 zero, so he would still get a massive 100% score.

That's exactly where our proposals differ: I'm trying to mostly punish people who had a choice and neglected it (thus complicating the assessment of their result), and not to punish people who forgot (or weren't able) to make an automatic selection. But like you said, up for a vote it is! :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jevo on June 08, 2012, 11:05:11 AM
In fact, let's make it official: even if you forget to send in your Tour de Suisse team, it does NOT mean you should jump under a bus as a remedy ;)

PS
That always reminds me of one not-so-smart NBA player, who had a gambling problem and "killed" his grandmother 4 or 5 times in the process of making up excuses when not travelling with the team :rofl:

So I amputated my foot Saw style for no reason after I missed the Dauphine deadline?  >:(

Personally I would prefer the 50% rule instead of 4-man team rule. But I can see that i adds extra work for Garfield and Flu. But the reason I prefer it is because it will give an 'even' punishment to all, a guy with an 8 man team will get a bigger punishment under the 4-man team rule, than a guy who only has 5 riders for the race.

Also, I just noticed that Amets Txurruka and Ben Hermans suffer the same bug as Izagirre.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 08, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
Also, I just noticed that Amets Txurruka and Ben Hermans suffer the same bug as Izagirre.

Solved. Turns out they had 1 tabulator before their names on your team page. (So now you know what to do if the problem returns.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: pimmen on June 08, 2012, 01:24:07 PM
Personally I would prefer the 50% rule instead of 4-man team rule. But I can see that i adds extra work for Garfield and Flu. But the reason I prefer it is because it will give an 'even' punishment to all, a guy with an 8 man team will get a bigger punishment under the 4-man team rule, than a guy who only has 5 riders for the race.

another good reason that I hadn't thought of myself  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 29, 2012, 04:36:09 AM
Small improvement of the rider standings: modified the formulas for traded riders, their points scored for both teams will now add up, as they should :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Slice1 on July 21, 2012, 04:18:49 AM
Anybody going to the Olympics?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 10, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
Vuelta & Montreal points added, rankings updated :judge:

Purito overtakes Wiggins as the overall leader, while RadioShack (briefly?) takes over the lead in the chase group. But Sky can't be caught even mathematically speaking.

The 2012 UCI WorldTour Champ is unofficially crowned today, congratulations to Onyourwheel :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on September 10, 2012, 04:27:59 PM
Congratulations from me too! :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 30, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
Some news:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 19, 2012, 01:39:43 PM
Here are the official 2012 results! Grats to onyourwheel :winner:

Final team ranking:

Team   Manager   Total Score
SKY PROCYCLING   onyourwheel   7,853
LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE   Fus87   6,650
BMC Racing Team   scylla   6,320
RADIOSHACK - NISSAN   Garfield   6,111
GREENEDGE CYCLING TEAM   alexlnumber1   5,601
LOTTO BELISOL TEAM   Flu   5,110
KATUSHA TEAM   Bushwackers   4,861
MOVISTAR TEAM   Pro-Cycling.org   4,361
ASTANA PRO TEAM   mrmetsman   4,063
AG2R LA MONDIALE   RenoDelft   4,059
EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI   Jevo   3,854
TEAM SAXO BANK   bookhouseboy   3,737
VACANSOLEIL-DCM PRO CYCLING TEAM   pimmen   3,593
RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM   alex.buck   3,277
FDJ-BIG MAT   PPDB fignon   2,656
LAMPRE - ISD   PAT   2,645
GARMIN-CERVELO   Baggieboys32   2,495
OMEGA PHARMA-QUICKSTEP   tonymcf   2,471

Riders:

Team   Rider   Salary   Points
Katusha   RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin   $1,020   2974
Sky   WIGGINS Bradley   $670   2601
Movistar   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   $1,250   1571
Liquigas   SAGAN Peter   $780   1519
Sky   BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   $810   1307
RadioShack   FROOME Chris   $390   1284
QuickStep   BOONEN Tom   $690   1239
Liquigas   NIBALI Vincenzo   $1,110   1227
Saxo Bank   CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto   $1,180   1137
BMC   COSTA Rui Alberto Faria   $270   1076

Per-point leaders:

Team   Rider   Salary   Points   Per point
Liquigas   MOSER Moreno   $30   570   $0.052631578947368
RadioShack   NOCENTINI Rinaldo   $40   724   $0.05524861878453
Ag2r   KOLOBNEV Alexandr   $30   306   $0.098039215686274
RadioShack   NORDHAUG Lars Petter   $30   299   $0.100334448160535
Ag2r   TIRALONGO Paolo   $30   274   $0.109489051094891
Lotto   TUFT Svein   $30   252   $0.119047619047619
BMC   PAOLINI Luca   $80   538   $0.148698884758364
Liquigas   SANTAMBROGIO Mauro   $40   257   $0.155642023346304
Vacansoleil   TERPSTRA Niki   $90   448   $0.200892857142857
Euskaltel   MARTINEZ DE ESTEBAN Egoi   $50   242   $0.206611570247934
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 03, 2012, 12:04:54 PM
Let me remind everyone to adhere to the 30-rider limit, as well as the 5 million/year salary cap.
Check your current bids and what riders you already have at your team.
If you're not sure which team you have taken over, clear that up as soon as possible.

That will ensure that we can all enjoy the auctions. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2012, 12:19:19 PM
 :iatp:

Also, I'm officially giving :Euskaltel: and :Sky: to the new boys, which should make things easier for them going forward.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 03, 2012, 12:49:48 PM
 :thumbsup:

Do we still have a minimum of 20 riders per team? I think we did have it last year, but I can't find it in "The Rules" anywhere.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
:thumbsup:

Do we still have a minimum of 20 riders per team? I think we did have it last year, but I can't find it in "The Rules" anywhere.

You know what? With HC races added, you're gonna get eaten alive if you end up under 20, so why bother...

PS
Just cleaned up the spreadsheet a bit. (If for some reason you don't have editing rights to "2013UCI", let me know and remind me your Google Account.) Ownerships corrected, first draft pick (Aru, :FDJ:) and first finished auction (Wiggo, :RadioShack:) added. Do take a look at both if you're new, it makes understanding the whole thing easier.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 03, 2012, 01:10:27 PM
Oh dear, im going to get eaten alive then at this rate
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on November 03, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
:iatp:

I too...

(I talking the same last year and I finish on 8th place ;d)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 04, 2012, 08:25:37 PM
Is this the proper topic to start crying about how I'm over budget and understaffed?

I totally screwed up....

  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 04:12:56 AM
You cannot be over the budget. You are not allowed to bid with the money you don't have. What you're doing is unacceptable and detrimental to the entire league. So I should be the one crying here.

Just stop bidding and hope for the best. This is your last warning. The math to know how much money you have at any moment is really simple.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 08:02:08 AM
Btw anybody has any ideas how to treat a rider like Andy Schleck? He might win the Tour. Or follow daddy's advice and retire next month. So bidding becomes Russian roulette.

What I'm trying to say is: when placing a high bid on Cadel Evans, I understand the risk I'm taking on a 36-year-old. He might as well retire after the next season, and I'll keep paying him, tough luck.

All I can think of is some kind of new special u30 rule: if a rider 30 or younger retires, it is definitely a head case, and has nothing to do with mileage, and should be treated in-game equally to doping/injury: the owner is allowed to scratch future years.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 05, 2012, 08:03:43 AM
I wasnt over the salary cap. Just over my budget, what i wanted to spend.

I was being dramatic.

And now you overbid on the wrong guys... think about Schleck and Boonen
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 05, 2012, 09:04:58 AM
Btw anybody has any ideas how to treat a rider like Andy Schleck? He might win the Tour. Or follow daddy's advice and retire next month. So bidding becomes Russian roulette.

What I'm trying to say is: when placing a high bid on Cadel Evans, I understand the risk I'm taking on a 36-year-old. He might as well retire after the next season, and I'll keep paying him, tough luck.

All I can think of is some kind of new special u30 rule: if a rider 30 or younger retires, it is definitely a head case, and has nothing to do with mileage, and should be treated in-game equally to doping/injury: the owner is allowed to scratch future years.

Thoughts?

As long as you're stuck with him for the first year. There's a reason I don't bid on Andy, but I could be on the receiving end if Sagan decided there was nothing else he could possibly achieve in cycling after the 2013 season and retired...
He better not.

Bottom line: Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
I'd like more opinions/arguments from other people TONIGHT in order to have a rule before this expires: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=76808
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 05, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
I agree retirement should be treated as injury/doping.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 03:49:32 PM
I agree retirement should be treated as injury/doping.

You didn't get my point. Retirement will continue to be treated as your own problem. Otherwise you'd sign Evans to a 4M contract and just hope he retires soon. I'm talking about a freaky early retirement not related to age.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 05, 2012, 05:31:19 PM
I don't have a problem with that retirement rule.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Cyclingbadman on November 05, 2012, 06:03:28 PM
Retirement should fairly be considered similar to an injury
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 05, 2012, 06:13:40 PM
As long as it is clear i would be happy with any decision the big boss will take!
Show us your power Garfield !

That said, for me to be doped, severily injured or retiring early is the same though luck for the owner.
So all these cases should probably be treated the same way.

With respect to Andy it will then perhaps avoid to have an empty team because the owner has taken the risk to give him a big contract and because Andy retires that owner stop playing.....
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
I must admit I'm VERY undecided on this one. Part of me wants this special Andy rule to make the game less of a gamble. Another part wants no new rules, but instead total transparency - like Reno wrote. But with lots of free drops, or no free drops at all? From one point of view, you've all been warned from day 1 about signing riders on the verge of fossilization. OTOH, this is supposed to be fun in the end, and I do feel cruel telling Scylla to look at Freire's contract on his roster for another year.

What I feel most confident about right now is that making the decision tonight won't be a good idea. I'm thinking I should freeze Andy's auction, slow down, listen to everybody's arguments, make up my mind, and only then try to come up with a solution.

Please keep posting. I desperately need somebody with a good idea.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
PS
Even if trying to make it black and white, I'd have a zillion options. Like I said: zero drops, all kind of drops. Or maybe some kind of amnesty, where every winter you are allowed to get rid of exactly 1 contract you don't like, whatever the reason. So many options.

Anyway, freezing Andy (because it's such a special case) and going to bed.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 05, 2012, 08:12:53 PM
Freezing Andy hurts me the most because i cant bid on others and cant count on Andy.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 05, 2012, 08:17:47 PM
Effectively i cant bid.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2012, 02:32:42 AM
Effectively i cant bid.

Well if you win him, you can't bid the money you don't have either. If you really want him, reserving 400k in your salary cap for a couple of days won't ruin you, we're just starting anyway...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2012, 09:31:55 AM
OK, so I slept over it and here comes the very transparent and simple rule proposal:

You cannot get rid of any contract during a season.
After each season, you may scratch 1 contract from your team.


Again, its biggest benefit is transparency, as we operate in a world where people get half-suspended-half-retired or half-injured-how-sucky all the time. It is still your responsibility not to focus on dopers or grandpas only, as there will be no exceptions, even if 3 of your riders die and 3 others get thrown into jail.

In practical terms, it means that right now e.g. Scylla would get rid of retired Freire, Reno - of fired Leipheimer, and the new boys - of whichever overpaid rider they don't like on their payroll.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: mrmetsman on November 06, 2012, 09:39:54 AM
I agree with Garfield on this issue.
This will also keep bidding on "riders with a past" as i call them.haha to normal proportions i hope.
No point in bidding millions for a rider that could very well be suspended halfway through his contract.
And let's be honest,a lot of riders outthere fit this label unfortunately. :(
Bid sensible.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 06, 2012, 09:56:31 AM
1,33M

(edit from Garfield: we're having trouble with the 10% rule on this one, so just clarifying: the leading bid is 1.46M right now)

I thought we agreed that if the bid is above 1 million, the minimum increment would be 5%?
Of course I have no issue with PPDB fignon having to cough up more than he wanted... but I could eventually get on the wrong end of this myself.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2012, 10:01:20 AM
I thought we agreed that if the bid is above 1 million, the minimum increment would be 5%?
Of course I have no issue with PPDB fignon having to cough up more than he wanted... but I could eventually get on the wrong end of this myself.

Pretty sure it's always been 2M. (It's not supposed to change what we did last year, but rather create some decency in the brand new territory of astronomical values going to Slovakian bank accounts.)

Could you give me your thoughts on the new rule proposal?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 06, 2012, 10:04:17 AM
Oh well, if we said 2M, that's fine. I remembered it as 1M, but then I remembered wrong.

And I completely agree on the issue of Slovakian bank accounts.
Come on people, Sagan may not be the new Merckx. In a few years, Merckx will be the older Sagan...
Bid on him, you can only win!
And I could really use the money... :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2012, 10:06:28 AM
And I completely agree on the issue of Slovakian bank accounts.

I meant the other rule proposal.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2012, 10:09:09 AM
I cant bid I only have about 200k left....

Id have taken Sagan when I bid 3.3M but then you all decided to blow me out of the water
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 06, 2012, 10:15:08 AM
OK, so I slept over it and here comes the very transparent and simple rule proposal:

You cannot get rid of any contract during a season.
After each season, you may scratch 1 contract from your team.


Again, its biggest benefit is transparency, as we operate in a world where people get half-suspended-half-retired or half-injured-how-sucky all the time. It is still your responsibility not to focus on dopers or grandpas only, as there will be no exceptions, even if 3 of your riders die and 3 others get thrown into jail.

In practical terms, it means that right now e.g. Scylla would get rid of retired Freire, Reno - of fired Leipheimer, and the new boys - of whichever overpaid rider they don't like on their payroll.

Thoughts?

 :iatp:
This way everything is clear and you still have a chance to erase a past mistake or unforseen event!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2012, 10:48:32 AM
OK, with the positive feedback from Kris and Reno, I've updated the rules (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=43672) and created a thread for drops (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=77144).

(Which also unblocks Andy.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 06, 2012, 11:28:36 AM
A great call by a fair leader!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 06, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
Where do we announce those drops?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2012, 12:55:32 PM
Where do we announce those drops?

you have got to be kidding me...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 06, 2012, 01:00:34 PM
I meant the other rule proposal.

Well, mine was more of a desperate comment,
Getting Sagan at the current price would tie down almost 40% of my budget for three years... he'd better not get injured.

My two cents on the other rule proposal:
Sounds good to me. As long as things are 100% transparent, (almost) any rule is fine. We have to play by the rules, not change the rules to fit us.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 07, 2012, 09:58:05 AM
Friends! Rivals! I work at a cool company that sponsors a cycling team and makes great products. If you enjoy riding and could use an upgrade shoot me a PM. I would be happy to extend a discount to you!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 07, 2012, 10:29:41 AM
So...
Anyone who wants to have Sagan?
I'm going to be in so much trouble, he eats money like others eat energy gels... :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 07, 2012, 03:03:07 PM
How can Scylla afford to bid for Cancellara? Isn't he/she over budget now?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2012, 03:29:56 PM
Well spotted, indeed he is. (@Scylla: maybe you can prove otherwise, but I've just done the math and it's pretty obvious.)

For now I will not retract any bids. Scylla is hereby forbidden from bidding until he is back within his budget. If nobody overbids and he signs them all, only then the Cancellara bid will be retracted and the clock reset.

Also, a warning to Scylla for this unfair move. First warning has no consequences, it can happen to anybody. Second warning equals a penalty.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 07, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Sorry about the late bid, does that mean I have De Gendt then? was worried with him still being on the list, which is why i bid on Gatto, as wasnt sure if his deadline had past
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 07, 2012, 06:10:28 PM
Sorry about the late bid, does that mean I have De Gendt then? was worried with him still being on the list, which is why i bid on Gatto, as wasnt sure if his deadline had past

As long as i get Gatto, no problem for me.

For bidding only the time of the last bid matter.
Garfield (and his helper(s) if he has any) can't move all finished transactions just after the end of the bidding......
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 07, 2012, 06:15:07 PM
Righto cheers, again apologies, happy for you to have Gatto

Im in desperate need of a sprinter
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2012, 09:26:58 PM
I can retire now:
http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2012/11/8/sports/20121108082000&sec=
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 08, 2012, 04:55:02 AM
I can retire now:
http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2012/11/8/sports/20121108082000&sec=

That the reason nobody overbids you, we were having the feeling he will be hit by a car.....
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 08, 2012, 06:25:01 AM
Holy sh*t.
OK, it doesn't sound as bad as I thought at first, but cyclists really are an endangered species. Tell me of one other sport where competitors risk their life and well-being regularly while training...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2012, 06:38:09 AM
Tell me of one other sport where competitors risk their life and well-being regularly while training...

Bridge. But that's because I cycle to all my tournaments :P

Anyway, indeed sounds better now. I prolly shouldn't have started reading last night's press from the Sun - "happy to be alive" and "waited 15 long minutes for an ambulance" is how they started of course...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 08, 2012, 06:38:26 AM
Holy sh*t.
OK, it doesn't sound as bad as I thought at first, but cyclists really are an endangered species. Tell me of one other sport where competitors risk their life and well-being regularly while training...

at least skiing :)
but in fact they are a lot like all motor sports or extreme sports.

then if you remeber the video of the bike of cancellara with the supposed motor, then you get the conclusion : cycling is an extreme motor sport  :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 08, 2012, 06:59:35 AM
But alpine skiers don't have snowmobiles and half-track crash into them on a regular basis...
And one could discuss whether motor sports are indeed sports. Takes a huge deal of concentration etc., but physically not as much as cycling (OK, which sport does?). And even if it were counted as a sport, they don't have fighter jets crash into them while training.

@Garfield, that's what you get for reading the Sun. There's a simple solution: Don't read it.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 08, 2012, 04:24:41 PM
Well spotted, indeed he is. (@Scylla: maybe you can prove otherwise, but I've just done the math and it's pretty obvious.)

For now I will not retract any bids. Scylla is hereby forbidden from bidding until he is back within his budget. If nobody overbids and he signs them all, only then the Cancellara bid will be retracted and the clock reset.

Also, a warning to Scylla for this unfair move. First warning has no consequences, it can happen to anybody. Second warning equals a penalty.

I thoughtb I was still in my budget, but its difficult to see because I cant find an overview of my team
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 08, 2012, 05:13:34 PM
40k

WHY GARFIELD?

Do you really want him, or are you just trying to drive the prices up?
If so, please stop.

I always thought that was the whole point of holding auctions! :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alexlnumber1 on November 08, 2012, 06:41:08 PM
 :iatp: I concur!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 08, 2012, 07:21:26 PM
I hear you loud and clear Alex...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: alexlnumber1 on November 08, 2012, 07:32:11 PM
 :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
:iatp: I concur!

...with Fus, or with Cyclingbadman?

I thoughtb I was still in my budget, but its difficult to see because I cant find an overview of my team

Oh? All your finished bids are in the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdDZ2SGNnMWNpb09kdzRyNlJiajVtZlE#gid=74), and you are the one responsible for all the active ones. It has always been like this, no?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 09, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
Quote
Oh? All your finished bids are in the spreadsheet, and you are the one responsible for all the active ones. It has always been like this, no?

I only could find a link to the old teams
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 09, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Scylla.  :soapbox:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 09, 2012, 01:01:42 PM
Scylla (and others), editing bids is forbidden. Do you understand?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 09, 2012, 02:52:27 PM
What's the status of my bid on EBH now?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 09, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
What's the status of my bid on EBH now?

Your bid is leading, but unfortunately he reset the clock. Sorry!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 09, 2012, 04:45:07 PM
Sorry but wat should I do otherwise ? My bid wasnt legal
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 09, 2012, 04:51:20 PM
Sorry but wat should I do otherwise ? My bid wasnt legal

In the order from best to worst:

1. Directly post again explaining you made a mistake
2. Send me a PM
3. Do nothing

...
...
...

99. Edit your bid
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 10, 2012, 04:34:46 AM
I think it's fair to exclude me to bid on boasson again before someone else bid on him. Otherwise somebody can extend a deadline to a later stadium when bidding is possible again.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2012, 04:51:21 AM
I think it's fair to exclude me to bid on boasson again before someone else bid on him. Otherwise somebody can extend a deadline to a later stadium when bidding is possible again.

Come on, man... I said it's not allowed to edit your bids. Which part of this sentence is unclear? I even gave you three possible alternatives.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2012, 06:13:37 AM
40k

WHY GARFIELD?

Do you really want him, or are you just trying to drive the prices up?
If so, please stop.

Could you please specify here whether this is a 50k bid or just blah blah blah to my 40k?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Cyclingbadman on November 10, 2012, 06:48:43 AM
Oops, sorry that should have been 50k, I'll bid again.

I'm not (that) annoyed with anyone, its just that I can't win any bids!

First Boonen and cancellara, then Greipel.

I'd just like to say though, it must be HELL trying to run this game, you're doing one heck of a job, especially becuase its free an'all.  :winner:

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2012, 06:52:11 AM
Oops, sorry that should have been 50k, I'll bid again.

No need, it would only reset the clock. I will edit your post.

Appreciate the compliments! But they won't win you Lovkvist :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 10, 2012, 07:01:11 AM
I cant win anyone either :( and now i have no money.

Im waiting on 1/2 riders
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2012, 07:24:36 AM
I cant win anyone either :( and now i have no money.

Those two sentences are slightly contradictory :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 10, 2012, 07:36:46 AM
Ok, I didnt win the people I wanted and so ive bid all my money on others that were not my first choice :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 10, 2012, 07:37:54 AM
I was trying to hold some back for when Swift, Pozatto, Bos come available

But ive failed to do that hmmm
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 10, 2012, 07:44:48 AM
I was trying to hold some back for when Swift, Pozatto, Bos come available

But ive failed to do that hmmm

Don't worry, it happens to all of us to some extent.
Signed,
the guy who offered Bennati 860k and traded for Cobo mid-season :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 10, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
Come on, man... I said it's not allowed to edit your bids. Which part of this sentence is unclear? I even gave you three possible alternatives.

I dont understand tour reaction, im not talken About your alternatives.

All im saying is I should be punished for my illegal bid, by not being allowed to bid on this rider. You know why? Because I reset The Timer with my illegal bid. This way a player can extend the time limit until he can bid on this rider (because other bids are overbidden bye Then)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 10, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
Is it possible to update the links in the roster section? Now they are still leading to last years file and I have to search for  the right link in this topic every time
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 10, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
Garfield explained earlier in the thread that it requires special permission to change that so wont be done until teams etc are all sorted closer to the start of the season
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 10, 2012, 05:18:47 PM
You just can edit Those Posts I think. Otherewise make  a new topic with THE link
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: mrmetsman on November 10, 2012, 05:24:19 PM
It is my understanding you can only edit the part on the spreadsheet that is assign to you for editing.
So you can input his real life team for instance.
Nothing more.
All other adjustments must go through either Flu or Garfield.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 11, 2012, 03:31:43 AM
You just can edit Those Posts I think. Otherewise make  a new topic with THE link

I think it's fairly simple for everyone to press ctrl+d and create a bookmark in your browser. From that moment on, the 2013 rosters are one click away. And indeed, I cannot edit the forum header yet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdDZ2SGNnMWNpb09kdzRyNlJiajVtZlE#gid=22

On another matter, judging from your numerous late bids, I'm guessing maybe you don't know you can set the forum time to your own time zone. Very practical, I urge everybody to do it. User CP => Forum Profile => Modify Profile :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2012, 05:57:01 AM
Cheers for the info on changing the time
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2012, 06:08:17 AM
You made any decision on when the riders from the untaken up teams will be released into the draft pool?

I only have 300k left haha
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2012, 06:24:12 AM
I see your game with the pole's, going in with higher bids than 30k to scare people off....

and its worked :P theres 3 off my back up list then
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 11, 2012, 07:17:25 AM
You made any decision on when the riders from the untaken up teams will be released into the draft pool?

Not quite yet. Miracles do happen.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 11, 2012, 07:51:48 AM
I think it's fairly simple for everyone to press ctrl+d and create a bookmark in your browser. From that moment on, the 2013 rosters are one click away. And indeed, I cannot edit the forum header yet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdDZ2SGNnMWNpb09kdzRyNlJiajVtZlE#gid=22

On another matter, judging from your numerous late bids, I'm guessing maybe you don't know you can set the forum time to your own time zone. Very practical, I urge everybody to do it. User CP => Forum Profile => Modify Profile :agent:

Cant find THE timezone option, what do I have to choose after modify profile ?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 11, 2012, 07:57:56 AM
Cant find THE timezone option, what do I have to choose after modify profile ?

When on the modify profile, hover on the menu and go on look and layout and its on there.
Click auto detect and it should put the time correct
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 15, 2012, 09:30:57 AM
Big success behind the scenes: after a long fight I finally managed to defeat a very annoying publishing bug, which in turn allowed me to update the roster links in Official Rosters! :disco:

Correct links in the header should follow soon.

Also, I'm removing the empty teams. :Sky: and :SaxoBank: couldn't find sponsors for 2013. New auctions for their riders have already started. Most probably we're gonna be 16 this season. Flu's :Lotto: stays in the game no matter what.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 15, 2012, 03:01:11 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 15, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
In the overall spreadsheet team Garmin is named team Sky, maybe you can change that
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 15, 2012, 07:34:27 PM
In the overall spreadsheet team Garmin is named team Sky, maybe you can change that

Do you mean the sheet "All"? Well spotted! And changed :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Cyclingbadman on November 16, 2012, 12:53:15 PM
Post on road.cc asking peeps for SKY and SBS

 :afro: :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 18, 2012, 08:37:30 AM

In the same tab, nick nuyens is in 2 teams. Larry Warbasse is 2 times in the same team
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 18, 2012, 08:43:39 AM
In the same tab, nick nuyens is in 2 teams. Larry Warbasse is 2 times in the same team

Fixed, thx :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 18, 2012, 08:46:47 AM
Guys, if you have some free agents you're still interested in, please put them up for auction soon. Next week some neo-pros will join in. No hard deadlines, but auctions started later than next week should be an exception, and not a sneaky attempt to get riders everybody else forgot.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 18, 2012, 09:26:55 AM
oops didnt notice that the first bid on javier moreno wasn't the minimum of 30. My bid of 40 isnt high enough, so please remove it Garfield
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 18, 2012, 09:37:01 AM
. Next week some neo-pros will join in.

What do you mean with that?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 18, 2012, 09:42:25 AM
Basically once the Neo-pro draft has finished after the next two picks by the remaining two teams, there will still be riders in the peleton that could have selected as neo-pros and will then be able to be drafted normally
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 19, 2012, 05:19:55 AM
oops didnt notice that the first bid on javier moreno wasn't the minimum of 30. My bid of 40 isnt high enough, so please remove it Garfield

Can we make the status of this bid clear? Is stll the opening bid of 50K leading or is a corrected bid of 60k. I think the rules only say something about bids that arent enough higher than the previous. This is a bid lower than the previous.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 19, 2012, 05:56:36 AM
Can we make the status of this bid clear? Is stll the opening bid of 50K leading or is a corrected bid of 60k. I think the rules only say something about bids that arent enough higher than the previous. This is a bid lower than the previous.

Is what I wrote in the bidding thread not clear enough? :o
You asked me to remove it 10 minutes after you placed it, so I did.
50k is leading.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 19, 2012, 06:02:26 AM
O sorry didnt noticed, still saw my own name as last post. Didnt realized that doesnt change when post is edited
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 20, 2012, 06:37:59 PM
Im pretty excited about this year!

This auction has kept me up at night on several occasions.

Im thinking that there should be two games here. I think overall points is one winner but also most wins as a team should be a winner.

Im saying Garfields team could win half of the races points-wise and still not win the overall.

Actually... how about this...

Also, im assuming everyone rides as well. Im going to put up some cycling gear to the winner of overall and the the team with the best record.

Here is the OTHER points system...
10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1
Points for first through sixth place teams in each race. All races are equal.

This can be up for discussion. But its coming out of my pocket so ill get a heavier vote.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 20, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
Im just saying... I bought myself an Edge 800 for winning last year...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 20, 2012, 07:14:50 PM
In the 2013 spreadsheet, Navardauskas is spelled Navarduskas.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 20, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
Changed.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 20, 2012, 08:39:21 PM
Gasparotto is in 2 teams in the "ALL" tab
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 20, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
Guys, I'm going on holidays in 2 days. Back on December 9. I'll ask somebody to try and move the finished auction threads every now and then, but don't expect too much. Be patient, be friendly, play fair, and have fun!

Gasparotto is in 2 teams in the "ALL" tab

Amended, cheers!

Im pretty excited about this year!

Glad you like it :toast:

Im thinking that there should be two games here. I think overall points is one winner but also most wins as a team should be a winner.

Hate to rain on your parade. But to me, wins are pretty irrelevant. Sprinters can win 4 stages in 1 week, top hilly riders take 2-3 wins all season long. That being said, I am planning to add "which rider wins the most races" and "which team wins the most races" to the prediction game.

Also, you're talking about something completely manual from the fantasy point of view. Sounds like a huge effort to keep the score.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 21, 2012, 04:51:51 AM
 :iatp:
What he said.

note to newcomers: Always, under any circumstances, agree with the big man ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 21, 2012, 08:01:24 AM
I made some corrections in the rider names. Almost all of the names are equal to CQ now. We need this to correctly process the results. It also makes it possible to show some indications about the teamstrength, like the total CQ points per team in 2012. It seems like Garfield is the favourite this year



RadioShack   14550
Euskaltel   13620
BMC   12797
Astana   10611
QuickStep   10080
GreenEDGE   9954
Movistar   9293
Ag2r   9119
Liquigas   9023
FDJ   8373
Lampre   8317
Garmin   7503
Rabobank   7099
Katusha   6468
Vacansoleil   3188
Lotto   3061
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 21, 2012, 09:20:47 AM
I made some corrections in the rider names. Almost all of the names are equal to CQ now.

Big thanks for that!

And a very interesting analysis! Of course if they all scored the same this year the game wouldn't make much sense, so let's see how it develops. For one, I have a lot of old guys (Cadel, Samu, Wiggo) that have no chance of nearing last year's tally...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 21, 2012, 09:25:28 AM
I have riders who scored well last year who could do even better this year or match what they did.

Van Garderen has potential to score more, and Pozzovivo now he is in a WT team could score at more races. Then riders like De Greef and Haedo that underachieved last year that could do better

But most of my riders seem solid picks, but who knows
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 21, 2012, 11:02:07 AM

And a very interesting analysis! Of course if they all scored the same this year the game wouldn't make much sense,

Beside that its about total CQ points not only the big races which count for the game.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 21, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
I was busy with update some completed bids when I realized that RenoDelft isnt able anymore to get the minimum of 20 riders. He has 17 riders now and only a budget of 60K. The zubeldia bid was Illegal I think. What are we going to do about that?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 21, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
spreadsheet updated with Horner as last name. I cant move the topics to completed transfers. Garfield has to that
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 21, 2012, 04:19:01 PM
spreadsheet updated with Horner as last name. I cant move the topics to completed transfers. Garfield has to that

Amazing, thanks!
Back to packing...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 21, 2012, 07:24:28 PM
I was busy with update some completed bids when I realized that RenoDelft isnt able anymore to get the minimum of 20 riders. He has 17 riders now and only a budget of 60K. The zubeldia bid was Illegal I think. What are we going to do about that?

I say we follow this:
You know what? With HC races added, you're gonna get eaten alive if you end up under 20, so why bother...
If RenoDelft doesn't get eaten alive after all, more power to him. But I think he will...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 21, 2012, 11:22:00 PM
I was under the assumption that the minimum went away based on that post as well.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 22, 2012, 03:11:11 AM
Maybe we can lower the minimum to 15
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 22, 2012, 04:12:22 AM
Maybe we can lower the minimum to 15

I don't think it's necessary. You can go with 3, but I don't think you'll succeed :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 22, 2012, 05:28:01 AM
I was busy with update some completed bids when I realized that RenoDelft isnt able anymore to get the minimum of 20 riders. He has 17 riders now and only a budget of 60K. The zubeldia bid was Illegal I think. What are we going to do about that?

If you want to have it illegal fine, but was also thinking i could end up with less than 20....
Anyway you can believe me being out of money so early in the auctions was already a real punishment!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 22, 2012, 07:08:31 AM
Yeah you missed a lot of fun. The auction is best part of THE game
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 03:51:15 AM
Looks like some of the managers just wait until others searching for the last good riders and then overbid. See my cases Palini, Verdugo, Devolder, Wijnandts and Florencio. It's a strategy that is legal, but it's a little bit frustrating because Garfield posted here before that we should post all riders we still want in this week. Otherwise I would have wait a littlebit longer with my surprises and I would have more chance to get them. So I will wait with my second choices for a while now until the teams are more full.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Kazistuta on November 23, 2012, 03:57:03 AM
I felt a bit the same, but not about being overbid. It just seems to me that someone wait for people to open threads instead of doing active rider searches and start threads themselves.

I guess it's a legitimate tactic, but not very appealing.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 23, 2012, 04:00:32 AM
Looks like some of the managers just wait until others searching for the last good riders and then overbid. See my cases Palini, Verdugo, Devolder, Wijnandts and Florencio. It's a strategy that is legal, but it's a little bit frustrating because Garfield posted here before that we should post all riders we still want in this week. Otherwise I would have wait a littlebit longer with my surprises and I would have more chance to get them. So I will wait with my second choices for a while now until the teams are more full.

Say the guy who overbids around 75% of the bids i have opened  :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on November 23, 2012, 04:02:39 AM
I felt a bit the same, but not about being overbid. It just seems to me that someone wait for people to open threads instead of doing active rider searches and start threads themselves.

I guess it's a legitimate tactic, but not very appealing.

It's always like that in auctions. And late overbid is a very good strategy.
But seriously you can't expect to get a good guy super cheap just because you opened the bid.............
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 23, 2012, 05:31:41 AM
It doesnt really matter who opens a bid does it? at the end of the day it was never going to get to this stage of bidding with any guys left that were going to go for high amounts anyway.

If someone wants a rider they will bid regardless of who started it. Most of the teams are almost full now anyway, and those that are less full have hardly any budget and so cant bid on more riders. And two of the teams have not been bidding on anyone

Surely you should be able to bid with whatever strategy you like so long as its in the rules?

Also how can people once there budget goes low open up bids on everyone they would like when they have bids on other riders they want more, but may get outbid on those and so will need to keep that money in reserve to get that rider? For me its managing money and who you want more rather than a tactic as such to steal riders away for cheap
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 08:17:49 AM
Say the guy who overbids around 75% of the bids i have opened  :rofl:

That's because we had a lot of the same riders on our shortlist. I PM'd you about that. But I think your expierence is the same. You was the first one with a small budget left. So you can't counter any overbid. This means in my opinion that the best strategie is to wait until others with more budget have filled their empty spots. When you did your last bids I still had budget to overbid, like others have now with my bids. Still this means I got Dupont and Pauriol for 40K instead of 30K if you didnt opened those bids and filled your team with others.

The whole auction is very interesting and for me the best part of the game. All Im saying is that I would be careful with extra rules around the auction, especially when the auction already has started.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 23, 2012, 10:08:33 AM
If someone wants a rider they will bid regardless of who started it. Most of the teams are almost full now anyway, and those that are less full have hardly any budget and so cant bid on more riders. And two of the teams have not been bidding on anyone
:iatp:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 10:32:13 AM
Im working with a file whichin I preselect all riders I think good enough for my team. I make selection of them first choice and second choice. If somenone is bought by a manager, I remove that rider and promovate a rider to this spot.

Now sometimes it looks like I start a new topic for a first or second choice of my list and another managers think, "hey, Verdugo, who is that, let's search the internet, wow 11th in the Vuelta last year and still available, lets bid on him too".

I know this can happen, so that's why last year I waited long with some bids. Think that's part of the game. However putting on the pressure with new bids should all be done next week made it impossible for this year. Maybe we can make this more clear before the auction of next year
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 23, 2012, 10:45:24 AM
I think you're underestimating you're fellow managers Scylla. Just because you started a thread, don't mean you're the only person who thought of that rider (I would've opened a thread on Devolder if you hadn't).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 11:03:04 AM
Sure you would but tell me why didnt you before?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 11:07:20 AM
something completely different, what are we going to do next year? a quick look at the top 30 of CQranking learns that only 7 of them will be available for the auction next year and those arent the big names. The really big names are gone for the next 2 years. So only if there are some big surprises this year, their wont be any big rider in next year (or even 2 years) auction.


Name   years in contact
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin   3
WIGGINS Bradley   3
BOONEN Tom   3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   3
SAGAN Peter   3
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto   3
CAVENDISH Mark   3
GILBERT Philippe   3
CANCELLARA Fabian   3
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   2
NIBALI Vincenzo   2
GREIPEL Andre   2
MARTIN Tony   2
FROOME Chris   2
GERRANS Simon   2
URAN URAN Rigoberto   2
HESJEDAL Ryder   2
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel   2
VAN GARDEREN Tejay   2
POZZOVIVO Domenico   2
MOSER Moreno   2
CHAVANEL Sylvain   2
BOOM Lars   2
DEGENKOLB John   1
COSTA Rui Alberto Faria   1
VOECKLER Thomas   1
MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel   1
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis   1
ROGERS Michael   1
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   1
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
Maybe you are right GTF, Andre Schulze was high on my list and is now a new topic by jux
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Pro-Cycling.org on November 23, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
Scylla... You've got a good strategy, VERY good strategy, but...

But I've got better. See : You have already only 60K free money. I have 400K free money and 3 riders more. I still could have 3 riders else... I don't know if only 3 ;)

And LuLu Sanchez, Thomas Voeckler and Rui Costa IS big names. :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on November 23, 2012, 11:45:26 AM
we will see that at the end of season :-)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 24, 2012, 11:07:21 AM
It seems some people can't remember the two basic rules of bidding: :rool:
110k
120k
Your bid is invalid, but I guess you meant to go 125k....

140k
The bids should have been 130k and 150k.
Rule 1: Minimum overbid is +10% of the current bid (unless it's above 2 million)
Rule 2: Always use full 10k increments
It's not that hard really, please adhere to these rules. >:(


Not meant to be personal, it just gets annoying.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on November 24, 2012, 11:37:46 AM
something completely different, what are we going to do next year? a quick look at the top 30 of CQranking learns that only 7 of them will be available for the auction next year and those arent the big names. The really big names are gone for the next 2 years. So only if there are some big surprises this year, their wont be any big rider in next year (or even 2 years) auction.


Name   years in contact
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin   3
WIGGINS Bradley   3
BOONEN Tom   3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   3
SAGAN Peter   3
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto   3
CAVENDISH Mark   3
GILBERT Philippe   3
CANCELLARA Fabian   3
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   2
NIBALI Vincenzo   2
GREIPEL Andre   2
MARTIN Tony   2
FROOME Chris   2
GERRANS Simon   2
URAN URAN Rigoberto   2
HESJEDAL Ryder   2
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel   2
VAN GARDEREN Tejay   2
POZZOVIVO Domenico   2
MOSER Moreno   2
CHAVANEL Sylvain   2
BOOM Lars   2
DEGENKOLB John   1
COSTA Rui Alberto Faria   1
VOECKLER Thomas   1
MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel   1
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis   1
ROGERS Michael   1
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   1

I think the only problem with this is that we've created a big barrier for entry for new teams next year. 

What is a fair way to add 1 or 2 more managers next year?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 24, 2012, 01:04:48 PM
There will always be surprises that jump from zero into the top-50 riders worldwide (like Moreno Moser this year). And it's far from certain that these are tied down - it would be rather impressive scouting from us if they were.

Otherwise, maybe some sort of expansion draft. But we have 11 months to think of a solution, I think we may just find one.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Cyclingbadman on November 24, 2012, 06:26:48 PM
My problem is too much money (!)

None of the riders on my shortlist are left, and I haven't filled my team yet.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 21, 2012, 07:14:01 PM
The new League Header is ready, it now links directly to your 2013 rosters.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 12, 2013, 12:19:25 PM
Cyclingbadman has started an auction for Nikias Arndt. In fact, he was one of my draft picks, so logically he's already taken.
I'd move the auction to "Invalid Transactions" myself (Alex Rasmussen too), but I seem to have lost my moderating powers from when Garfield was on holiday...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 12, 2013, 12:31:19 PM
Cyclingbadman has started an auction for Nikias Arndt. In fact, he was one of my draft picks, so logically he's already taken.
I'd move the auction to "Invalid Transactions" myself (Alex Rasmussen too), but I seem to have lost my moderating powers from when Garfield was on holiday...

Yeah, sorry, they're rebuilding the page and a lot of such data got lost. Working on it...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Cyclingbadman on January 12, 2013, 02:47:43 PM
Oops, sorry didn't check him.

I'm just trying frantically to protect my good riders.

I've made a mistake though, by putting time into my 7 new auctions. Most of these riders are likely to be stolen from me, so I should've just signed some free agents who are actually rubbish.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 16, 2013, 04:50:54 AM
What spreadsheet do we use? Is it the one with the Katusha Jersey when I click on that, because I can't edit it.

The logos are meant for the public. They take you to the PUBLISHED version of your team sheet. To edit it, EITHER change "pub" to "ccc" in that link OR open it through Google Drive OR follow this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdDZ2SGNnMWNpb09kdzRyNlJiajVtZlE#gid=81
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2013, 06:15:42 AM
For anybody wanting more fantasy cycling

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19595

ps. Who here plays the cqmanager game?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on January 16, 2013, 06:28:07 AM
Is it possible for new teams to draft a neo-prof like we did? offcourse only riders that arent in a team already
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 16, 2013, 06:29:18 AM
Is it possible for new teams to draft a neo-prof like we did? offcourse only riders that arent in a team already

they already did.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Kazistuta on January 16, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
For anybody wanting more fantasy cycling

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19595

ps. Who here plays the cqmanager game?

I do  :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2013, 07:28:04 PM
I do  :toast:

Even though we only have 12 riders in common most of your guys came under consideration for me. De Gendt @ 673 though, not for me; he'd have to score 1100-1200 to be a good pick.

ps. Feel free to laugh in my face if he wins the Giro!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Kazistuta on January 17, 2013, 02:31:44 AM
De Gendt is a risky pick, granted.

But I like the guy, and I don't think we've seen his full potential just yet. I needed to find a rider in that point area (thought about Gallopin as well, but that was 200 more points I needed to worry about spending ;-)

And I don't believe in a giro win, a top5 might be attainable though.... I saw TDG in own person on Alpe D'Huez in 2011, he really IS an impressive rider.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 17, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
As lost as the Viking might be, it was always a matter of time before he requested to be renamed to Saxo :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Kazistuta on January 18, 2013, 02:41:55 AM
That's what I wanted when I got in.....  :puke:

But hey, I'll just stay Team Blanco and see what happens next year...... :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2013, 02:48:02 AM
That's what I wanted when I got in.....  :puke:

My apologies, either never realized it or totally forgot :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on January 18, 2013, 06:20:29 PM
That's what I wanted when I got in.....  :puke:

But hey, I'll just stay Team Blanco and see what happens next year...... :afro:

Sorry Kaz - as Garfield points out - I just couldn't resist Saxo!

Good Luck, Lost Viking aka Bjarne Riis and Saxo Tink!

P.S. These emoticons are the most irritating I have ever come across - how is one expected to win the TDU with such distraction!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on January 18, 2013, 06:21:36 PM
My apologies, either never realized it or totally forgot :doh:

Yeah whatever....the check is in the mail Gar!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on January 18, 2013, 06:30:41 PM
De Gendt is a risky pick, granted.

But I like the guy, and I don't think we've seen his full potential just yet. I needed to find a rider in that point area (thought about Gallopin as well, but that was 200 more points I needed to worry about spending ;-)

And I don't believe in a giro win, a top5 might be attainable though.... I saw TDG in own person on Alpe D'Huez in 2011, he really IS an impressive rider.

I really like DeGendt - I think he is bound to be a big name and this might be the year he puts his stamp on things - top 5 in a GT will happen sooner rather than later in my book. Like Tejay and a few others, he is a rising young gun whom I think will help define the next generation of riders.

I try not to think of these fantasy sports with my emotional side - more business-minded - but I would have paid a good penny for De Gendt if I could have afforded to do so - just because I believe he will do really big things - if not this season then next.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on January 21, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
I just had a thought about the "free drops".
In order for players not to exploit this rule, it should be stipulated that if you drop a rider (signed for two or more years) before the next season, you shouldn't be allowed to bid on him afterwards.
And I say this for my own protection; if this amendment were not in place by November, I would most likely "drop" Sagan and then bid on him again, in order to free up some money. That shouldn't be allowed.


What kind of idiot am I? :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2013, 11:21:19 AM
What kind of idiot am I? :rofl:

My favourite kind :)

Your point is beyond discussion, I'll add it to the rules right away!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 28, 2013, 11:00:07 AM
Team Ranking and Rider Ranking updated :judge:

(Now you can see why I gave another background to the neo-pros - it's easy to track how they're doing in the ranking.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 30, 2013, 11:52:13 AM
The league has finally been correctly implemented in the new ProFSL engine. Now whenever somebody posts, you can see his team right under his nick.

Also, I'm adding Fus87 as board moderator and spreadsheet editor. This will let us move finished auctions, edit incorrect bids, and insert results much faster.

If somebody else wants to share this duty, let me know. The more the merrier. (As in: whoever sees a race to be scored and has some free time, does it. It takes 3 minutes.) Basic knowledge of Google docs is the only requirement.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 04, 2013, 07:43:29 AM
All abide to my will! :judge:

Just kidding, I hope I'll get the hang of adding results soon enough.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 24, 2013, 08:58:34 AM
Some of you complained that setting your line-ups for all those small races is too tedious.

Just want to point out that you don't actually have to worry about them too much. The rule we introduced during last season says:

"If a team doesn't announce its squad, or selects too many, after the race 4 best scorers will automatically be selected retrospectively."

So in case you want to focus on the big events you actually follow, skipping all those Omans and Qatars won't cost you too many points!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 26, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
Finally managed to activate my 2013 jerseys in the header and your signatures :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Colby on February 26, 2013, 09:07:19 PM
Finally managed to activate my 2013 jerseys in the header and your signatures :disco:

What's great about the new header is that if you hover over a jersey then a text box will appear with the name/description of the logo. :koolaid:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 27, 2013, 06:17:06 AM
What's great about the new header is that if you hover over a jersey then a text box will appear with the name/description of the logo. :koolaid:

Indeed! Although not needed for us cycling addicts, might be helpful to outsiders!


Btw, just changed Rabo to Blanco in the spreadsheet :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 28, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
This Saturday: the coolest race not yet included in our competition?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cQJXiWTtGB0/T1Oj0zbEMAI/AAAAAAAAUYo/jLxuY3lDq1s/s1600/kelly5.JPG
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on February 28, 2013, 02:00:42 PM
Probably.
But rules are rules, right?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 02, 2013, 09:17:28 AM
I've just realised I'd have 9 riders for Strade Bianchi.

I'm beggining to think that my team is more suited to .1 races than to WT and .HC.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 02, 2013, 09:31:20 AM
I'm beggining to think that my team is more suited to .1 races than to WT and .HC.

Don't worry, this season is still VERY young!


Added Langkawi results :judge:

(I'm still in the lead, thanks to very lucky scores from some unexpected sources. The only team scoring more than 5 "participation points" in every single event.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 02, 2013, 12:33:01 PM
Garfield, do you have any idea why Ciolek's points from the Omloop don't show up for me?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 02, 2013, 12:38:51 PM
Garfield, do you have any idea why Ciolek's points from the Omloop don't show up for me?

Yes, somebody messed up his formulas, probably during the transfer.
Solved now :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 02, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
Thanks, I appreciate that. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 14, 2013, 06:29:50 PM
Today I saw a photo of stage 6 of Tirreno, who had 2 of my riders on foot doing one of those crazy climbs.

Guess I'll have a very loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong season.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Kazistuta on March 16, 2013, 07:23:54 AM
I've just discovered that Lotto-Belisol has contracted a rider (Julien Vermote) that already had contract with me (Blanco) - bad man!  :judge:

You can have Alphonse Vermote, though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 17, 2013, 05:11:39 AM
Noted.
I'll leave it to Garfield to resolve this when he's back.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 19, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
Done :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scylla on March 24, 2013, 03:58:35 PM
updated, the results. RadioShack had 11 selected riders for Gent Wevelgem, I did the same as we do for no selection, pick the 4 max scores auto.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 25, 2013, 07:12:34 AM
updated, the results. RadioShack had 11 selected riders for Gent Wevelgem, I did the same as we do for no selection, pick the 4 max scores auto.

Big thanks! And sorry for my stupidity. Was supposed to go down to 8 after E3, totally forgot :doh:


What a weekend in cycling, no?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 25, 2013, 04:16:01 PM
I was checking the next races start lists, and it seems we're missing one race on the excel spreadsheet, the Brabantse Pijl - De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne 2013 (1.HC), since it's a .HC race.

I think it should be between Paris Robaix and Amstel Gold Race, not that its points would do me any good.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 25, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
Crap, how could I have forgotten it? :doh:
It would be very tiresome to add it to the spreadsheet right now. Maybe we could assume the field is so similar to AGR that you field the same 8 riders for both?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 26, 2013, 07:03:46 AM
It would be very tiresome to add it to the spreadsheet right now. Maybe we could assume the field is so similar to AGR that you field the same 8 riders for both?

Personally, I could do without it, but since it may change something for the top Guys I'll leave it up to you to decide.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 26, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
Sorry to be a pain in the *** here, but as the Brabantse Pijl is one of my favourite races, I am very much in favour of keeping it/putting it in.

On the bright side, one of the Chinese mickey-mouse races in October, the Tour of Hangzhou, has been cancelled (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/worldtours-tour-of-hangzhou-canceled-for-a-second-year_274712). And the Tour of Beijing has slightly different dates as a result of that.
So it would simply be a matter of replacing "Hangzhou" with "BrPijl" or something like that, change the dates, and alert everybody to the fact that the relevant column is somewhere at the very back.
That sounds like a good solution for everyone. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 26, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
 :iatp:

Spreadsheet updated accordingly :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on March 26, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
When I spent almost 1/3 of my yearly budget on Sagan I was afraid he maybe wouldn't be as good as I thought.

No danger of that - he's just amazing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 26, 2013, 04:05:00 PM
When I spent almost 1/3 of my yearly budget on Sagan I was afraid he maybe wouldn't be as good as I thought.

No danger of that - he's just amazing. :thumbsup:

I remember you trying to offload him pre-season....guess that worked out OK for you.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 06, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
Can't quite believe before P-R I have 16 riders with 72+ points already :disco:
I guess that's my last day in the yellow jersey, before the imminent Fabian-vs.-Peter show. But I hope to come back into contention with some stage races later this year! Lookin' at you, Wiggo :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on April 07, 2013, 07:37:56 AM
Can't be unhappy with my teams performance thus far. Main area of concern are the leftover contracts from last year. Kiserlovski and Gianni seem a bit overprized, albeit their main events are still to come. The Gerdemann contract off course is in a league of its own :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on April 07, 2013, 10:10:34 AM
Ive got a few disappointments. Obviously loosing Ballan for the classics was a big blow. Tejay hasn't done enough, nor has Pozzovivo and Nocentini, although they haven't raced an awful lot. Hopefully Gerrans and Voeckler will show up in the Ardennes races. Visconti, De Gendt, Pellizotti Cataldo and Kiryenka have been complete busts so far.

Its been a few of my cheaper riders that have done the best for me in Izagirre at the start of the season then Niemiec, Bozic and Ventoso
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 08, 2013, 02:54:40 PM
I feel for you, man! You can't really underestimate the element of randomness in such a game:

Last season my intention was to choose my team after everybody else, and that's how I got RadioShack. As it turned out, the Schleckies were non-existent, and Fabian had bad luck all year long. So I was able to race with the big boys only thanks to lucky cheap riders, like Nocentini for €40k. This year, so far the likes of Tschopp and Javi Moreno have been keeping me afloat, while I can very well imagine Wiggo will have a lesser year.

Luck can even change dramatically from one race to another: Roelandts set RvV on fire, then had like 16 punctures in PR. You gotta just chill and enjoy the show, whatever the outcome :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on April 19, 2013, 11:57:44 AM
Me loves Trentino :afro:
Bouet third overall + stagewin+3 days in the leaders jersey
Aru fourth overall

Pretty good considering those were my only two starters!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 19, 2013, 01:45:31 PM
Wiggins got really unlucky, should have finished 3rd overall at least. But hey, mechanicals form part of the sport, and better now than during the Giro...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on April 19, 2013, 02:42:27 PM
Siamo pazzi per Pirazzi!

He's performed consistently on all four days. If only he would start using his power a bit more logically... :rool:
But his absolutely insane way of racing is the reason I love him, so it's alright if he stays how he is.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on April 29, 2013, 01:28:05 PM
Going with autopick for both Dunkerque and Frankfurt, since there's no way in h... I'll get more than four starters in either
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 29, 2013, 01:40:40 PM
Going with autopick for both Dunkerque and Frankfurt, since there's no way in h... I'll get more than four starters in either

I guess it's the same for 90% of us.
Giro, however, is a completely different story :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 29, 2013, 08:59:04 PM
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=20511

Game for the Giro, these are always good fun.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on April 30, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
2nd in points in Turkey  :taco: and in Romandie  :bacon:.

Lookout asdfgh101 and onyourwheel, you're next.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 30, 2013, 05:16:14 PM
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=20511

Game for the Giro, these are always good fun.

Cool stuff!

I sent:
Nibali 1415 :winner:
Cattaneo 93
Garzelli 58 :rofl:
Kiserlovski 196
Pirazzi 145 :afro:
Samu Sanchez 369
Rujano 17 :rool:
Serpa 89
Hesjedal 1092 :win:
(total 3484)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on May 02, 2013, 12:47:45 PM
Re. Giro - I'm thinking:

1) Wiggo
2) Nibali
3) Scarponi

Unfortunetly, my current line-up features none-of-the-above.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on May 04, 2013, 10:21:39 AM
This is hilarious...
I have Laurent Pichon on my team, and have wondered a bit why he did'nt race at all. I always checked the Bretagne line-ups, and he was nowhere, even though he was one of their best riders last year.
Only now have I found out that he's switched to FDJ and is currently riding the Giro. :doh: :doh: :doh:

Thankfully he has only won 5 points in WT or HC races so far.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 04, 2013, 10:56:10 AM
I'm thinking:

1) Wiggo
2) Nibali
3) Pichon  :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on May 04, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
This league is super frustrating; out of respect i've been selecting my squads even though i have no chance of winning but save for early January i've not received a single trade offer despite it being obvious that i can't win and therefore have no use for Porte and Van Avermaet and let it be known early on that i'm looking for young riders who are under contract fro next year.

Rant over  :soapbox:

ps. I'm not actually apoplectic, just a shame that a league with so much potential suffers from a lack of active managers.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 04, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
This league is super frustrating; out of respect i've been selecting my squads even though i have no chance of winning but save for early January i've not received a single trade offer despite it being obvious that i can't win and therefore have no use for Porte and Van Avermaet and let it be known early on that i'm looking for young riders who are under contract fro next year.

Well, in-season trades are just very rare in cycling, I guess. Keep your head up!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on May 04, 2013, 03:12:36 PM
Well, in-season trades are just very rare in cycling, I guess. Keep your head up!
This.
It would never have occured to myself that I could change my team and get a really good rider that way. Well, I probably couldn't afford either of them, but you get my point.
For me it's more a case of bidding in November/December, and then administering the riders I have, cutting the odd rider once in a while if I have more than 8 (very rarely), and cheering for "my" riders in the races.

But be sure that I'll have a look at your team now... ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 06, 2013, 05:15:41 AM
Scored 4 Jours de Dunkerque :judge:
Such a fun race this :P

(In case your team autopicked, feel free to do the honours yourself.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 17, 2013, 10:07:55 AM
Offline till Tuesday.
Behave, do your homework, and eat your veggies :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on May 21, 2013, 06:59:33 AM
California is scored (nobody cared enough to make a topic for it - which is just about right).
Should any of your riders have problems with getting their points assigned let us (Garfield or me) know - preferably Garfield, since he can do something about it. ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 21, 2013, 10:50:13 AM
California is scored

Thanks for investing your time again :toast:
Myself, just added the new Vacansoleil recruits :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 22, 2013, 05:44:07 PM
Finally got the newest icon approved. The :Garmin: GM is hereby awarded a World Champion jersey for winning the 2012 season! The icon :WCRJ: will stay in his signature until the end of this season. Congratulations again!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on June 24, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Blanco becomes Belkin as from the tdf and until the end of 2015. Glad to see this team survive, albeit it will probably be with a less Dutch profile in the future.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on June 26, 2013, 03:49:47 PM
Trek buy out Becca.....wether or not the teams continues in 2014 not confirmed (as far as I know)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 26, 2013, 07:53:50 PM
Similar timing to Tinkoff. 30-month deal so far. Hopefully they stay for good :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on June 27, 2013, 12:47:18 PM
The way I understand it, the team will continue under its current guise as RadioShack-Leopard(-Trek) for the rest of the year, and will be Trek-*some co-sponsor* as of January 2014.

But I could be wrong, the Tour presentation starts in one hour...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on July 07, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Tour of Austria scored.
I also fixed a problem with Dyachenko's name (the spelling of his first name had been changed on CQranking, from the wrong "Alexsandr" to "Alexandr").
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 07, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Thank you, sir!
:AG2R: scored great again, and should be leading our team ranking 2 weeks from now :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 09, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
Surprise :taco: :bacon:

I photoshopped a couple of jerseys, then talked the boss into adding them as new icons into the system, especially for us:

:GreenJersey: :WhiteJersey: :YellowJersey: :PolkaJersey:

( remove spaces from : GreenJersey : : WhiteJersey : : YellowJersey : : PolkaJersey : )
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on July 09, 2013, 10:56:32 AM
 :iatp: :toast: :win:

Incredible Garf!

Always there to surprise us! Keep the good work!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on July 09, 2013, 05:54:25 PM
You're the man! :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 09, 2013, 05:57:24 PM
You're the man! :toth:

and you're :GreenJersey: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on July 10, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
Thanks Garfield   :toast:

:GreenJersey: :WhiteJersey: :YellowJersey: :PolkaJersey:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: onyourwheel on July 17, 2013, 10:59:43 PM
Testing my signature!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 26, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
To honour the stagiaire season, how about those of us who still have money and roster spaces bring in a couple of new cyclists over the next couple of weeks?

(Regular contracts, maybe with the single limitation of all these contracts being just for the rest of the season?)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on August 18, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
1 rider for the US Pro etc. So going with autopick.

In Warbasse we trust  :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on August 19, 2013, 02:44:30 PM
Great news!
Gerdemann signs with MTN.....the downside of course being that the contract covers the period 01.01.2014-31.12.2015 :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on August 20, 2013, 11:01:06 AM
1 rider for the US Pro etc. So going with autopick.

In Warbasse we trust  :rool:

Same story for Tre Valli Varesine - Aru our only starter
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on August 21, 2013, 09:20:14 AM
Great news!
Gerdemann signs with MTN.....the downside of course being that the contract covers the period 01.01.2014-31.12.2015 :doh:
You could improve his contract to $420k overall and spread it out over two years. It'll even make Linus cheaper 80k cheaper for his one year of sitting around doing nothing.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on August 22, 2013, 11:52:36 AM
Meeeh....210k for a guy who had a mediocre 2012 and was a no-show in 2013 is a bit steep for my taste.

However, I might consider buffing up the contracts of one or two other riders if what you described above is possible according to the rules.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on August 22, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
However, I might consider buffing up the contracts of one or two other riders if what you described above is possible according to the rules.
I did it last year. No complaint from the big boss then, on the contrary; he was fine with it. :judge:

It's mentioned in the rules as follows:
The highest bidder has the right to further increase the offered amount of money, if e.g. it lets him offer a longer contract.

Example:  Astana sign Andy Schleck for €2.4M. Based on this amount, they are only able to sign him to a contract up to 2 years, because if Andy's total salary was broken down over 3 years, it would only be €800k per year, not the €1M that is required for a 3 year contract.  Nevertheless, if the bid was won at €2.4M then a higher total contract amount can be awarded. In this case, even after the auction is over, Astana can decide to increase the final bid to €3M and sign a 3-year, €1M contract.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on August 23, 2013, 08:21:48 PM
I think there are two .HC races missing in the spreadsheet:

Paris - Bruxelles
GP de Fourmies / La Voix du Nord

Are these races still scheduled?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on August 23, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
Regarding Fourmies, Garfield is aware of it already (he'll replace the cancelled Giro del Piemonte with it when he's back from holiday).
Haven't noticed Paris-Bruxelles before, well spotted. :toth:

I think adding another line to the spreadsheets is a great pain in the backside; the easiest solution would probably be to use the columns now used for the Giro del Piemonte for both races, and just disregard the 8-rider limit (or rather, push it up to 16).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on August 26, 2013, 06:59:40 AM
Same story for Tre Valli Varesine - Aru our only starter

Well, you can't complain there!
Anywhooooo, just scored both :judge:

I think adding another line to the spreadsheets is a great pain in the backside; the easiest solution would probably be to use the columns now used for the Giro del Piemonte for both races, and just disregard the 8-rider limit (or rather, push it up to 16).

My thoughts exactly, PM to all coming later this afternoon hopefully :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on August 26, 2013, 10:59:48 AM
You could improve his contract to $420k overall and spread it out over two years. It'll even make Linus cheaper 80k cheaper for his one year of sitting around doing nothing.

No no, I'm afraid that's possible only directly after winning the auction, NOT based on results later!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on August 26, 2013, 11:54:57 AM
No no, I'm afraid that's possible only directly after winning the auction, NOT based on results later!
Bugger.
I deliberately left some space in my budget for just that.
What if a rider hasn't had any (noteworthy) results since I signed him? :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on August 26, 2013, 11:57:57 AM
What if a rider hasn't had any (noteworthy) results since I signed him? :agent:

That means you'll sign him for waaay under €210k next season. Why make your own life difficult? :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on August 27, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
That means you'll sign him for waaay under €210k next season. Why make your own life difficult? :P
To make sure I get him. And to spend more money than necessary, because ... just because! :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on September 01, 2013, 04:36:32 AM
Forgot to set my team for Plouay yesterday, so just did it. If it's to late I'll change it to autopick
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 10, 2013, 06:57:48 AM
Forgot to set my team for Plouay yesterday, so just did it. If it's to late I'll change it to autopick

no worries :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on September 14, 2013, 10:50:11 PM
This one is mora of a self burn

When filling my team with Portuguese riders, I ended up leaving out of it 2 of the 6 available. Turns out one of them ( Andre Cardoso ) would have scored me more points than any of 20 other riders in the team.... :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 15, 2013, 04:47:46 AM
Happens to all of us! You'll be wiser next season :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 16, 2013, 08:31:11 AM
Scored Canada :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 16, 2013, 06:11:12 PM
Big thanks to whoever scored the Vuelta :toast:

Also, :Euskaltel: is the absolute champion in the $/point category: Horner now leads just in front of Niemiec, Grivko is 5th, and Izagirre 6th :winner:

In other news: anybody wants Sir Bradley Wiggins and the points he should score in the ITT WC? I might want to trade him in order to start preparing for next season :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on September 16, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
Cheers Garfield, although im still a little 'concerned' about Horner. Innocent until proven otherwise I guess
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on September 21, 2013, 07:09:56 AM
Big thanks to whoever scored the Vuelta :toast:
That would be me. :toth:

In other news: anybody wants Sir Bradley Wiggins and the points he should score in the ITT WC? I might want to trade him in order to start preparing for next season :)
Way out of my paygrade, I'm afraid. But you're free to PM me with an offer I can't resist ... :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 13, 2013, 03:06:54 PM
Scored both weekend races :judge:
Just Asia left and we're done!
(Also, a good moment to fill in your past auto-rosters, if applicable.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on October 26, 2013, 06:34:22 AM
Really wishing the Tour of Hainan had been part of the races, i'd have had a hat full of points!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on October 27, 2013, 06:37:19 AM
I believe it is part of the races, so at least you will get points for your top four riders.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on October 27, 2013, 02:42:50 PM
I believe it is part of the races, so at least you will get points for your top four riders.

Oh good cheers, as I have Hofland, who will take GC, as well as three stage wins, and some 2nd/3rd places :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on October 28, 2013, 11:20:02 PM
Will we be having a brainstorming sesh prior to free agency/neo-pro draft?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 29, 2013, 07:00:46 AM
Will we be having a brainstorming sesh prior to free agency/neo-pro draft?

Post now or remain silent forever :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on October 30, 2013, 02:02:37 PM
Neo-pro draft 1st round: Last two picks cost 30k for two years, then next set of two picks costs 10k more (so 1st pick with 16 teams would cost 100k). When Neo-pros become FA's previous team can match rather than have to beat bids if they drafted and kept them for two years.

Neo-pro draft 2nd round: Two years @ 30k with 2nd year being a team option; once again retain matching rights if drafted and kept for two years (otherwise the whole round is worthless).

Free drops: No free drops for all new contracts; there has to be risk/reward to acquiring top riders so i propose that each team must pay 50% of the remaining salary to any rider they waive (max of 3 per season).

Doping: Like in real life a team may cancel the contract of any rider who is banned for doping with immediate effect.

Rider selection: For .HC and .1 races each team's top six riders count, no selection required. A group PM will be sent when the results are added to the spreadsheet and each manager is expected to score the race as soon as possible.

The reasoning is that the startlists for .HC and .1 races are less reliable and managers stay active but without having to put aside time to keep checking who is slated to ride. In order to fuel activity participation in discussion threads should be encouraged (i will be making a concerted effort to make a meaningful contribution).

For .WT and .GT races each team picks 8/9 respectively prior to the race otherwise only top 4/6 will score.

 :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 30, 2013, 03:18:28 PM
Neo-pro draft 1st round: Last two picks cost 30k for two years, then next set of two picks costs 10k more (so 1st pick with 16 teams would cost 100k). When Neo-pros become FA's previous team can match rather than have to beat bids if they drafted and kept them for two years.

Neo-pro draft 2nd round: Two years @ 30k with 2nd year being a team option; once again retain matching rights if drafted and kept for two years (otherwise the whole round is worthless).

It's interesting for the future, but I kinda like it nice and simple as we have it right now.
Plus take into account that longer contracts = useless draft the following year. (Last winter we cleaned up all major 1990, 1991, and 1992 talent.)

Free drops: No free drops for all new contracts; there has to be risk/reward to acquiring top riders so i propose that each team must pay 50% of the remaining salary to any rider they waive (max of 3 per season).

Doping: Like in real life a team may cancel the contract of any rider who is banned for doping with immediate effect.

The problem is, there are many shades of grey in cycling. Banned, suspended, unbanned, suspected, accused, prosecuted, convicted... Our system right now is extremely simple and transparent. Plus it punishes you for employing a large number of those ever-suspicious dudes - you can't get rid of them all once they're banned. I'd like to think this at least reduces the interest in 'em Pellizottis, Di Lucas, and Schumachers.

The reasoning is that the startlists for .HC and .1 races are less reliable and managers stay active but without having to put aside time to keep checking who is slated to ride. In order to fuel activity participation in discussion threads should be encouraged (i will be making a concerted effort to make a meaningful contribution).

It could be done, but the switch from analysing the startlist beforehand and guessing which of your riders will do the best (which hopefully builds up some anticipation) to scoring the race afterwards will only make the league less active than it already is, I'm afraid.

Anyway, interested in hearing other people's opinions!


In other news, please welcome Florin (bugus) at :Katusha: - we're officially at least 16 again :toast:

Just in case, I'll try to photoshop and introduce into the system the jerseys for Belkin, Argos, and Europcar ASAP. (Am I missing any?)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on October 30, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
It's interesting for the future, but I kinda like it nice and simple as we have it right now.
Plus take into account that longer contracts = useless draft the following year. (Last winter we cleaned up all major 1990, 1991, and 1992 talent.)

I'm looking at the results here (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=76385.0). Second round was largely a waste of time. First round riders were mostly unsuccessful in first season but showing promise for future; unfortunately they will become FA after one more season. In cycling riders reach their peak later which means that the draft in its current form isn't all that useful, especially as a means of balancing the strength of the teams.

The problem is, there are many shades of grey in cycling. Banned, suspended, unbanned, suspected, accused, prosecuted, convicted... Our system right now is extremely simple and transparent. Plus it punishes you for employing a large number of those ever-suspicious dudes - you can't get rid of them all once they're banned. I'd like to think this at least reduces the interest in 'em Pellizottis, Di Lucas, and Schumachers.

I agree that the UCI don't always make things easy, but one thing that can be certain is wheteher or not a rider has been handed a ban by his national federation (almost always two years) due to doping? This is the situation i am talking about (in real life most teams have language in the contract that says that the agreement can be ripped up should this happen).

Plus this is cycling, everyone is suspicious  :P (during the season some riders become obvious like Santambrogio, anyone who wins Tour of Turkey but are hopefully suspended pretty quickly so they can't accrue more points). What would happen to Santa's points if his results had been disqualified formally by the UCI before the end of the season? Also any thoughts about altering the free drops?


It could be done, but the switch from analysing the startlist beforehand and guessing which of your riders will do the best (which hopefully builds up some anticipation) to scoring the race afterwards will only make the league less active than it already is, I'm afraid.

That's why we would pick for .WT and .GT (plenty of races evenly spaced throughout the year to keep us interested without creating 'selection fatigue', although maybe it's just me that found it torturous).

In other news, please welcome Florin (bugus) at :Katusha: - we're officially at least 16 again :toast:

Just in case, I'll try to photoshop and introduce into the system the jerseys for Belkin, Argos, and Europcar ASAP. (Am I missing any?)

Vaconsoleil (is Kris staying as them?) and Euskaltel are ending. Europcar will joint PT (TERatcliffe26 is switching to them i believe). Currently no-one is Sky, Astana or Argos (but we have new recruits i see, plus first two logos are in system).  Some teams may have new colours for next season (especially where sponsors have changed). If anyone wants to 'swap licenses' with Lotto i'd be accommodating seeing as they are my least favourite team irl, although if we are at 18 and Vaconsoleil are staying there should be a spare team.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2013, 10:54:54 AM
First round riders were mostly unsuccessful in first season but showing promise for future; unfortunately they will become FA after one more season.

I find this realistic. IRL, many riders switch teams once they achieve something (see Kwiatkowski or Betancur), nobody is chained to long contracts.

Also, weren't you the person complaining about the lack of good free agents as soon as you joined the league?

Lastly, if you don't believe in the draft, you can always forfeit your pick(s) and focus on free agency.

Plus this is cycling, everyone is suspicious

That's why I have no intention of investigating or analysing this crap on a case-by-case basis. Whoever is mentioned in a dirty story gets a mental middle finger from me, and I don't care about him anymore. Skipping all news involving him. He can win le Tour and/or commit suicide, in either order for all I care. He won't be riding on my fantasy team, and he won't spoil my love for the sport. It's childish, but it works for me. Thus, for selfish reasons, I'm leaning very strongly towards maintaining the simple and transparent yearly drop mechanic we've used for 2 off-seasons now.

That's why we would pick for .WT and .GT (plenty of races evenly spaced throughout the year to keep us interested without creating 'selection fatigue', although maybe it's just me that found it torturous).

Indeed, the main question is whether other people also found this part tiring.
Unless they did, I'm gonna be very cautious about reducing the already low required activity level.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 02, 2013, 09:24:32 AM
2014 spreadsheet ready! As usual, you'll find the regular version in your Google Drive (that's the one you can edit), and the published version by clicking a team logo in the league header (that's the one you cannot edit).

Please select a random rider for Tour Down Under now to make sure you have the editing rights. If you can't, send me your email address.

Say goodbye to Hainan and Q-Lake, plus races that lost their HC status: Vendee and Japan Cup.

Say hello to the new HC races: Tour of Norway and GP Aargau (aka Grand Prix du canton d'Argovie) - both promising amazing scenery, Prudential RideLondon-Surrey Classic (Olympics legacy), and Gran Premio Bruno Beghelli (next door to Emilia, and 1 day later, expect almost identical fields).

Because of Google's limited total number of formulae, I kept Paris-Brussels and Fourmies together, and also joined Quebec with Montreal, and Gran Premio Bruno Beghelli with Giro dell'Emilia.

Good news is, almost all spring races will take place 6 days later than last year, hopefully meaning less snow. Almost all autumn races (starting from Eneco) will take place 1 day earlier than last year, hopefully also meaning better weather. Exceptions include of course Frankfurt (always May 1), those who don't worry about weather (TDU, California, Canada), and Luxembourg (2 weeks earlier).

I created Europcar, Argos, and Belkin logos. Waiting for implementation.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: bugus on November 02, 2013, 05:50:22 PM
I was expecting free drops not to be included in the lineup for 2014... Did I misunderstood something?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on November 02, 2013, 06:08:41 PM
I think that a proper brainstorming session would be a good idea after this season (2013 first round rookies out of contract, 2014 with one year left, two sets of second round draft picks).

I still like the matching idea* which does have some resemblance to real life (youngsters developed on WT teams more likely to re-sign, plus all teams in our game have equal budgets) as well as helping competitive balance and rewarding good drafting. Also the draft class wouldn't be depleted by giving second round picks two year contracts (1+ TO) at all as all riders taken are highly likely to be ineligible for the following year anyway (rode above cont level in spring).

Regarding the drops i agree that the grey areas of doping suspensions make things difficult; i'm just not very keen on a team signing a high profile rider on a multi-year deal and then dumping him if he underperforms. Not only is it highly unrealistic but it diminishes the risk aspect of handing out big contracts.

Hopefully my team will be stronger this year which i anticipate will making picking more enjoyable and less of a chore :P (but perhaps in future we could have 6 man teams for .HC events to further reward tactics).

*I think that you misunderstood; matching simply means that if another team bids $1m i can match ($1m) rather than bid $1.1m, anyone else is still free to beat that offer. Even better would be a discount, so i have to bid $1.1m but get a 20% discount (we do this in NCAA leagues for home states).

ps. I stated that expansion teams couldn't really contend before 2015 due to many top riders being under contract; not a complaint, just a fact (i think anyone who joined after FA and remained active all year should be commended  :taco:).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on November 02, 2013, 06:10:27 PM
I was expecting free drops not to be included in the lineup for 2014... Did I misunderstood something?

Nope, just a clerical error, Henderson should have had his walking papers.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
Nope, just a clerical error, Henderson should have had his walking papers.

More like: no time yet :doh:
But I'll remove all of them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2013, 07:47:13 PM
Done :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Fus87 on November 04, 2013, 05:51:19 AM
Everyone, please follow the rules (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=43672.0) when bidding. You can't have more than 30 riders, and you must not go above your budget of 5 million per year.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 04, 2013, 06:01:07 AM
Apologies, simple arithmetic clearly not my forte...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2013, 06:06:38 AM
Apologies, simple arithmetic clearly not my forte...

No worries, it can happen once to anybody. But please always have your bids under control, this shouldn't happen again. This picture shows how to do it with a simple spreadsheet:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=45494.0

I'm declaring Stybar, Simon & Izagirre invalid for now, feel free to repeat the same bids once you free up some cash :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 04, 2013, 07:33:03 AM
I now have a lovely spreadsheet to tamper my noob's exuberance (exnooberance?). Holding fire for a bit.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2013, 05:44:45 AM
Some of the new guys are (understandably) still a bit confused. Hope this helps :toast:

Quote
I find it difficult finding the information I need.

I always find my self navigating and searching to see which players are under contract, which players are available, which have a bid open, what is the latest bid, what is the deadline and so on...

I understand that the information is available, but it seems it take too much effort to get to it.

Hmmm, I think it's just a matter of experience. By now, it never takes me more than 10 seconds to find all the information you mentioned. Here's how:

1. Players under contract: ctrl+f in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdENGa2tyMTYyb3VETGJiRlFpcXlrRkE&gid=22

2. Which players are available? All not listed above! (And until the end of the draft, not some born 1991 and later, but that part you can forget in 3-4 days.)
And anyway, you don't need to waste time wondering who's available. Just bid on the ones somebody else started, luckily there are a couple of active guys out there starting a lot of auctions.

3. Which have an open bid? Those: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?board=1110.0

4. What is the latest bid? The bottom one.

5. What is the deadline? 48 hours. All threads are ordered by the time of the last post, so if you don't have much time you can start from page 2 = riders whose prices have already settled a bit.

6. Information about all riders: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/searchRiders.asp

7. Where they'll ride in 2014: http://www.cyclingfever.com/transfers.html
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 06, 2013, 06:10:42 AM
I only found it the other day(maybe I was missing the obvious) but it helps having the forum time match your local time.

MyProFSL > Forum Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout and adjust the time offset to make the forum time match your local time.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2013, 06:12:00 AM
Absolutely, great advice :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2013, 10:02:52 AM
Say hello to my little friends :taco:
:Argos: :Belkin: :Europcar:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 06, 2013, 10:15:17 AM
Just have to see what Argos's new name will be now :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 06, 2013, 01:52:22 PM
I only found it the other day(maybe I was missing the obvious) but it helps having the forum time match your local time.

MyProFSL > Forum Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout and adjust the time offset to make the forum time match your local time.

Great tip!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 12, 2013, 04:42:48 AM
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere - any other managers on that Twitter? Would be good to follow for mid-race bantz/lulz/etc.

I'm @multiplexslut fyi
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2013, 05:58:53 AM
It hasn't, great idea tho :thumbsup:
I'm not much of a twitter guy myself, but I can certainly appreciate a good nickname when I see one :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 12, 2013, 07:15:43 PM
Just realized something: I told you you can find the new spreadsheet in your Drive, but that's not 100% true. I think nowadays they have a button where you explicitly say you want it added to your Drive, even though of course you already have the editing rights. Otherwise there is always:
1. just following the direct link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvqIcA7i9Q8CdENGa2tyMTYyb3VETGJiRlFpcXlrRkE&usp=drive_web#gid=81
2. searching for my sharing email in your emails
3. the published version one click away from the forum, then change "pub" to "ccc" in the link
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on November 15, 2013, 11:34:01 AM
It was with great amazement that i found the transfer section with only one page this morning.

went out to investigate the reasons:

Me, Ghedebrav, Lostviking, Al_pacino and Mrmetsman out of commision.

There should be a small monetary extension to big spenders just to spice up transfer season next year. :agent:

What will we do until January?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 15, 2013, 12:56:51 PM
We wait. Most still have a bit of cash to spend but I'm waiting for the rest to spend theirs so my hidden gems can be bought.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on November 15, 2013, 01:36:49 PM
Not me! I've put all my meat in the grill.  :doh: No hidden gems here.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on November 15, 2013, 02:29:02 PM
We wait. Most still have a bit of cash to spend but I'm waiting for the rest to spend theirs so my hidden gems can be bought.
:iatp:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 15, 2013, 04:32:33 PM
I think everybody might be waiting for the same 'hidden gems'.  :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on November 15, 2013, 07:20:12 PM
I think everybody might be waiting for the same 'hidden gems'.  :P
:iatp:

At this moment, and after squimming through the best placed riders in the CQRanking, you will need to think outside the box to slip someone under the radar.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on November 25, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Burned through the budget -

Yup, out of cash! Not too surprising as I didn't have much to play with from the get go - just a smidge over $1M - so I knew my budget wouldn't hold out for long. That considered, I think I did fairly well. Will not have a huge impact this season I suspect - but I'll have big bucks to spend next year and then I'll be able to have greater impact.

Didn't help that I wasted over $250 or so on riders I really didn't want back!  :doh: Now I understand the process better and will avoid noob mistakes next time out.

Looking forward to seeing how my new acquisitions pan out - hoping Majka has a big year.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 25, 2013, 07:35:57 PM
hoping Majka has a big year.

Me too, but for fantasy-unrelated reasons :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 27, 2013, 07:45:09 AM
I think I'm in Tap City too. Roll on the races.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on December 02, 2013, 01:02:03 PM
@Garfield - Yup, I know - he's Polish!

Holy Frijolles - Oleg Tinkov bought my team!

It appears the team will now be known as Tinkoff Saxo (I've made changes in Google)
I might request a Team name change in the near future - will review which teams got UCI World Tour approval then,
 perhaps, put in a request to change my team name.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 07, 2013, 05:39:31 AM
Today is a sad day for our league, as my invaluable partner in crime Lukas (Fus87) has to quit. We'll miss you, buddy! Today is also a great day for our league, because his licence has been sold to an enthusiastic newbie. The king is dead, long live the king! Everybody, say "hello" to cranky, the new directeur sportif of :Cannondale: :toast:

Some minor news:

1. The website has been struggling lately. You might miss some notification emails, or even lose the notification status in certain boards/threads.
2. For the same reason, it won't let me add :Cannondale:'s logo to cranky's signature for now :rool:
3. Lukas was the guy helping me out with forum moderation and pasting results. If somebody wants to give me a hand, please speak up. Actually, pretty please!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: PPDB fignon on December 07, 2013, 07:11:14 AM
Sad to see him go

Would love to help out if you still need someone
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 07, 2013, 07:27:43 AM
Thanks! Anybody else maybe? The more the merrier :)
I'll teach you how to enter results once the races start. It's pretty simple really, but I travel too much to always do it in a timely fashion.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: cranky on December 07, 2013, 03:35:09 PM
Hello all, thanks for the welcome Garfield. Also thanks to fus87 for handing over control of an excellent squad. Really looking forward to the start of the season.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 07, 2013, 04:18:23 PM
Im up for helping out, once I know what im doing regards entering the scores, I know how fragile those spreadsheets are once a formula goes wrong!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 07, 2013, 11:46:18 PM
I can help out up from the start of March till the end of June.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 08, 2013, 02:33:10 PM
Great guys, I'll show you the details after TDU then. The more we are, the more trivial the burden becomes, because the time investment becomes maybe 20 minutes/month/person :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on December 13, 2013, 08:32:55 AM
So, I've already got one rider suspended from doping.  :doh:

Alejandro Marque (ex-future Movistar) apparently tested positive during Volta a Portugal. Gotta love those tests that take 4 months to get known.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on December 13, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
Bad luck. I was just about to search for the unfortunate person.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on December 18, 2013, 04:11:15 PM
Uh-oh: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/541732/michael-rogers-tests-positive-for-clenbuterol.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/541732/michael-rogers-tests-positive-for-clenbuterol.html)

Rogers is one of mine... looks like I might be crossing his name off.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 18, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
Mick Rogers of all people? :doh:
Is Jens Voigt next? Moncoutie maybe?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on December 20, 2013, 10:00:58 AM
rogers will get off
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on December 20, 2013, 11:13:19 AM
He will at least get 6 months. Not sure it will be possible to prove that it was from contaminated meat.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 22, 2013, 12:30:07 AM
Mick Rogers of all people? :doh:
Is Jens Voigt next? Moncoutie maybe?

I don't follow; Rogers is about as suspect as they come at WT level.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 22, 2013, 05:12:09 AM
I don't follow; Rogers is about as suspect as they come at WT level.

Why?
And wasn't his career basically over by now anyway?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on December 23, 2013, 06:57:48 AM
It's not reasonable that he would dope to win Japan Cup, and not in the Tour. More than likelly he ingested some tainted meat, but he will still be suspended for a few months.

Nevertheless, at least from my point of view, if you raced before 2008, it is very likely that you have doped during some point of your carrer, and more inclined to repeat that in the future.


Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on December 24, 2013, 12:33:25 PM
Procedural question - sorry if this isn't the right place to post it.

I've signed Chris Horner (don't laugh, he won the Vuelta and was quite cheap) in the hope that he would sign to a pro-conti outfit and lead them in some of the week-long stage races.

It was always a gamble, but if he ups and retires (as is looking more and more likely), am I still stuck with him on the roster?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 24, 2013, 06:37:18 PM
you are indeed im afraid
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on December 31, 2013, 10:41:27 AM
Happy New Year to everyone.  :beer:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 31, 2013, 10:48:37 AM
Thanks, to you too :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:38 AM
UCI has updated the teams info for 2014. It isn't 100% updated, but it allows for a good idea.

http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTYzMzU&LangId=1

At the moment 5 of my 28 riders aren't present. I'm already regretting some of my bids.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on January 08, 2014, 04:19:01 PM
Hi guys,
Maybe you can help me finding "The armstrong lie" documentary. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1638364/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1638364/)

I tried 10 different torrents and all were fake. I tried watch it online and there wasnt any link (in 1channel there are portuguese movies from the 50's available).

it seems almost impossible not to find a movie so recent to download.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 08, 2014, 06:23:23 PM
I'd guess it's so recent it isn't on DVD yet.
No DVD = no (decent) torrent. Give it another month?

Btw, do you like the NBA? If you do, you know Bill Simmons' podcast called "The BS Report" - last year he had a whole episode interviewing the director, but I can't remember when. It was over 1 hour and quite entertaining!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 12, 2014, 08:18:40 PM
Are we doing any predictions this year?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 13, 2014, 07:21:25 AM
Are we doing any predictions this year?

Almost forgot :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on January 14, 2014, 09:19:56 AM
So looks like Horner has turned down a ride with the mighty Christina Watches team... silly man, if only he'd taken that pay cut at Trek he'd on the training camp as we speak.

Fingers-crossed he'll get a ride at Caja Rural, as current rumours suggest he might.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on January 14, 2014, 10:10:41 AM
So looks like Horner has turned down a ride with the mighty Christina Watches team... silly man, if only he'd taken that pay cut at Trek he'd on the training camp as we speak.

Fingers-crossed he'll get a ride at Caja Rural, as current rumours suggest he might.

Trek didn't want him at any price; Mediana Kamen may be his only choice if he doesn't find Christina Watches appealing (do the math  :P).

Josh Donaldson 6.4m (1.9, 2.1, 2.4)

Noah Syndergaard 113pts (or max if less remaining)
Trea Turner 26pts
Austin Meadows 15pts

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on January 30, 2014, 10:10:48 AM

Horner ended up in Lampre after all.

It's not good news for Cunego or Ulissi, but it seems Ghedebrav's investment will payoff quite handsomely.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on January 30, 2014, 01:37:04 PM
Investment? Gamble, surely!

But yes, fingers crossed he'll be getting some good GC time at at least one of the grand tours.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on January 30, 2014, 01:55:49 PM
You got him for 100k! I should have continued bidding.  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on January 31, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
Great guys, I'll show you the details after TDU then. The more we are, the more trivial the burden becomes, because the time investment becomes maybe 20 minutes/month/person :)

I can help out, if it would be OK with you guys.

I'm not the most savvy when working with Excel, but I can learn how to.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 31, 2014, 01:19:13 PM
Your wish is my command :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teU3lEGtzoo
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on February 01, 2014, 08:40:40 AM
I'm without sound at the moment but I'll look later.

I doubt I'll be entering many though. Google docs has a habit of wiping columns when I move my finger across the track pad so I don't want to destroy anything(I've managed to avoid doing this so far).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 05, 2014, 11:49:03 AM
I might have found something in that Danish kid :taco:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-of-dubai-2014/stage-1/results
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on February 07, 2014, 09:31:14 AM
I'm not so sure how reassuring it is having riders do well in races that don't score you any points.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 07, 2014, 09:36:36 AM
I'm not so sure how reassuring it is having riders do well in races that don't score you any points.

If a kid I've never heard of finishes a time trial above Martin and Cancellara, I'll take it :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on February 07, 2014, 11:33:47 AM
Can't blame you. I'm hoping Arredondo keeps winning MTFs in front of Quintana all season.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on February 20, 2014, 06:47:52 PM
Qatar is scored, with Radioshack already in first place.  :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 21, 2014, 04:33:07 AM
Cheers man :toast:

And despair not, I'm not winning this year! Not after the widely spread "woohoo, RadioShack bids on this one, I gotta overbid" strategy :P
You guys made is really tough for me this time around, so the squad is much weaker. It is hard to repeat in any sport after all :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on February 21, 2014, 08:56:12 AM
nicely done jux1893.

Small problem with my scores from Down Under with Damien Gaudins 5 points not showing up.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 21, 2014, 09:27:50 AM
nicely done jux1893.

Small problem with my scores from Down Under with Damien Gaudins 5 points not showing up.

Well spotted :toast:
Fixed :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on February 21, 2014, 10:34:12 AM
nicely done jux1893.

Small problem with my scores from Down Under with Damien Gaudins 5 points not showing up.

Sorry, my bad. I didn't noticed  :doh:


After the first few races, I can see that my team will depend mostly on how Gesink, Kangert and Kiserlovski perform in the GT's, which is not very reassuring.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 24, 2014, 06:44:25 AM
Good that we're ignoring Langkawi this year, the startlist looks very poor again :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on February 24, 2014, 09:02:34 AM
Good that we're ignoring Langkawi this year, the startlist looks very poor again :taco:

I'm not missing out on too much so I can go 1 better  :bacon:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on February 27, 2014, 07:34:38 PM
Just scored Oman.

Europcar has taken the lead, with quite some margin.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 28, 2014, 02:29:47 AM
Thank you :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on February 28, 2014, 03:07:35 PM

Europcar has taken the lead, with quite some margin.

Looking at that  squad again it's not bad at all.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on February 28, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
Looking at that  squad again it's not bad at all.

I think it is the strongest squad from all of us (other than Lampre, of course).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: mrmetsman on March 01, 2014, 03:43:32 AM
The classic season finally starts today. WooHoo!!!!!  :taco: :bacon: :taco: :bacon: :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on March 02, 2014, 04:25:35 AM
I think Radioshack has the strongest squad, especially for where the big points are awarded. Im gonna struggle in the cobbled classics. Visconti being out injured is a big blow for me
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on March 02, 2014, 06:57:18 PM
Shame we have no points for KBK, great performance by Hofland
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 19, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
Jux1893 scored PN, I did TA (btw, volunteers still wanted in this area), nice to have 5 teams within 160 points at the top now, and the sleeping giant of :Lampre: awaking just behind too :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on March 19, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
I will help out, Ive just been really busy, once we get to may I should be free to be doing scores

On another point, I don't seem to have got my points for Hofland
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 19, 2014, 08:57:20 PM
Fixed, sorry :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 20, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
I'll score MSR to get the hang of it.

On another note; the league looks a lot closer this year  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 21, 2014, 08:14:28 PM
nice to have 5 teams within 160 points at the top now, and the sleeping giant of :Lampre: awaking just behind too :)

Unfortunately to my dismay, after checking the line ups for the upcoming races I will have a very tough time until we reach Amstel. I don't think I'll be able to have 8 riders team in any race until then.


On another note; the league looks a lot closer this year  :thumbsup:

 :iatp: even tough I'm not in the mix.

A lot of my points will rely on Rui Costa, Gesink, Kiserlovski and Cunego's performance in the GT's.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 25, 2014, 05:41:58 PM
With JJ Rojas and Lars Boom both injuring their respective elbows last week, this could be a sad sad spring for me :doh:

Offline till Tuesday. Behave ;)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 30, 2014, 06:06:24 PM
Busy week of racing, everything scored. I won't be able to do it regularly from now on, but can commit to doing all the 1.HC races just to ease the general workload.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on March 31, 2014, 01:00:08 PM
Busy week of racing, everything scored. I won't be able to do it regularly from now on, but can commit to doing all the 1.HC races just to ease the general workload.

Thanks Ace and congrats for first place.

Can't say I'm unhappy with how my team is performing for the last two weeks. I was expecting a lot less points.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on March 31, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
Nice and tight at the top, just 60 points in the top 4

The cobbled classics are killing me though, thats the one piece of the jigsaw I lack, maybe visconti out injured has cost me.

And also riders not turning up to races they should, expected far more from Tshopp and Riblon at Criterium, just hope Riblon turns u sometime, and Landa could be a costly mistake, when I could have got in the likes of Bennett and Colbrelli or even Stybar for the price of those 2 riders
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 31, 2014, 11:59:31 PM
I'm strong on the cobbles so will need to amass a lead before we hit the giro.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on April 05, 2014, 01:58:42 PM
So frustrating that Hofland seems to keep winning races that are not on the calender, and then not racing or being ill for races on the calender
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on April 06, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
I hear that. I have Valverde winning here there and everywhere but not so much for this.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 06, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
At least they are in shape! I have Boom and Rojas off their bikes for a month now, and today Roelandts with a million stitches :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 12, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
I'll process this weekend, but after that i need a break. Maybe we can set up a volunteer topic so that the work is more evenly shared (i've done everything from MSR onwards, with the same teams always requiring autos).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: mrmetsman on April 13, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
I'll help out on the processing results mate.
No worries. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: mrmetsman on April 13, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
Finally Kittel payed off this wednesday  :thumbsup:
Had a good week so far.
Lets hope Paris-Roubaix will top things off with a suprise from one of my boys.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on April 13, 2014, 04:10:16 PM
Thanks Ace   :toth:

After Robaix I thought my team could only improve, but after my team's performance in Pais Vasco I am not that sure anymore.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 14, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
I'll process this weekend, but after that i need a break. Maybe we can set up a volunteer topic so that the work is more evenly shared (i've done everything from MSR onwards, with the same teams always requiring autos).

I appreciate your help immensely, but don't let it overwhelm you! If you feel you've done your share, take a rest and let others step up. This way the effort stays negligible for everybody involved.

Since I'm always online but always too busy, my policy as your host is simple: I never score anything immediately, but make sure the delays don't grow if a volunteer-less period arrives :)

Also, let me know the regular auto's and I'll address it (first enquire, then possibly replace).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Kazistuta on April 17, 2014, 04:51:51 AM
Sorry for being one of the "autos" - it seems that I just don't have the time anymore to check up on the calendar and remember to select riders  :rool:

If you can find another person to take over my team, feel free to do so. If not I'll try and be more aware the rest of the season, but there'll be mistakes.

Sorry to Ace, Garfield and other volunteers :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 17, 2014, 07:25:38 AM
No probs, you're not even the worst of the lot :rofl:
Try to enjoy the game, that's what we're here for!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 20, 2014, 12:58:06 PM
Very cool finish on the Gilberg today :beer:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on April 20, 2014, 09:12:41 PM
Nice tactics by BMC. Made for a very interesting race.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 27, 2014, 03:02:05 PM
LBL scored

FAO Garfield: Results section (DS2 etc.) needs to be re-formatted after TTT

FAO everyone: Check that your riders have correct spelling matching cq ranking if their total is zero (see last column) when they should have scored points. Just add a hyphen to Slagter and now Tinkoff Saxo are in the lead ;-)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 27, 2014, 03:41:16 PM
Also i copied the rider ranking and sorted by both $/points and total points; apologies for taking a liberty but i can change it back no probs if need be.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 28, 2014, 02:14:38 AM
Also i copied the rider ranking and sorted by both $/points and total points; apologies for taking a liberty but i can change it back no probs if need be.

What do you mean by "copied"?
Sorting is always nice of course.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 28, 2014, 09:25:57 AM
What do you mean by "copied"?
Sorting is always nice of course.

Check the rider ranking tab.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 28, 2014, 12:08:44 PM
Oh, ok. So you made an exact copy to see both kinds of sorting simultaneously?
Requires a bit more attention when re-sorting again, but I like it :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on June 03, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
I had a lousy Giro. Had really high hopes for the likes of Cunego and Kiserlovski, but it end up only marginally better than last year.

At this time my only objective is to increase my points from last year. I now realize I suck at fantasy cycling, a lot more than I though.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on June 03, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
I had a lousy Giro. Had really high hopes for the likes of Cunego and Kiserlovski, but it end up only marginally better than last year.

At this time my only objective is to increase my points from last year. I now realize I suck at fantasy cycling, a lot more than I though.

You'll have plenty of money to spend next season with Gesink expiring.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on June 04, 2014, 04:43:06 AM
You'll have plenty of money to spend next season with Gesink expiring.

And Cunego at 500k.  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 04, 2014, 06:00:04 AM
And Cunego at 500k.  :doh:

Yeah, that would have been a great contract... back in 2003 :P
But indeed a lot of big names entering the market this winter, and you've got the cash!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on June 04, 2014, 07:00:21 PM
Im gonna have plenty next year too!

Just Moreno, Riblon, Landa and Stuyven on my books. But a decent starting point.
Would like to keep Pozz, Gerrans, Hofland and Nizzolo (wouldtake them at what I have them now, especially Pozz as he will go for at least double what I paid I reckon, Hofland too for a lot more as he was my Neo, and also imagine Gerrans will fetch at least the same). Maybe even Tejay, depending on what other GC guys are on the market, especially if I could ab him for a bit less. But $4000 to spend on 25 spots

At the moment Quintana, Ulissi, Uran, Demare, Grepiel, Slagter, Kristoff, Kwiatkowski, Mollema, Kelderman, Betancur, Terpstra, Swft, Navardauskas, Wellens and Bennett seem to be high up on my shopping list based on who will be available, so would like to land at least one or two of those first 5, and one or two of the others and keep Pozz. Gonna be a tough off-season
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on June 05, 2014, 07:44:24 AM


At the moment Quintana, Ulissi, Uran, Demare, Grepiel, Slagter, Kristoff, Kwiatkowski, Mollema, Kelderman, Betancur, Terpstra, Swft, Navardauskas, Wellens and Bennett seem to be high up on my shopping list based on who will be available, so would like to land at least one or two of those first 5, and one or two of the others and keep Pozz. Gonna be a tough off-season

i wouldn't mind keeping hold of those two but they'll go for loads. Those were the two real bargains I inherited when I signed up.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on June 05, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
I'll have at least 2900 to spend, but given the amount of cyclist without a team for next year, the hardest will be to control my spending.

I will depend on a lot of factors, but it will be a nice turn of events to choose from:

Nibali, Froome, Quintana, Uran, Pozzovivo, Betancour, Fuglsang, Kreuziger

Aru, Van Garderen, Pinot, Wellens, Kwiatkovski, Kelderman

Gerrans, Ulissi, Tony Martin, Terpstra, Greipel, Vanmarcke and Slagter
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on June 05, 2014, 07:28:02 PM
Can someone take a look at the teams that were in autopick for the Giro. Some teams have a few extrapoints.  I might go up two places  :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on June 06, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
Can someone take a look at the teams that were in autopick for the Giro. Some teams have a few extrapoints.  I might go up two places  :disco:

Done.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: cranky on June 08, 2014, 08:41:17 PM
Slight issue with Luxembourg, Teklehaimanots points are missing.

Apologies for the auto picking of the last few races, I didn't realise it was creating extra work. Will Make sure I make picks in time in future.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 16, 2014, 06:16:16 AM
Slight issue with Luxembourg, Teklehaimanots points are missing.

Sorry for the delay, rough weekend.
Somebody left a space after his name, that's the most typical bug we encounter. Fixed now :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on June 16, 2014, 10:39:25 AM
WOW! Great score at the Dauphine; And what crazy dauphine that was!

Thanks Garfield for forcing me to keep Van Den Broek  :winner:. Never though he would perform this season.

Have high hopes for him for Le Tour.

Starting a Tour Thread.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 17, 2014, 05:22:33 AM
 :koolaid:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on June 19, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
Since World Tour will loose at least one team we might as well start doing some "what ifs" here in the forum.

How will we manage if Belkin or Argos and Connondale don't get a sponsor for next season?

The last three in our league will be removed?
The guys with most autopick will be removed?
The last guys to sign up will be removed?

Thank you Lance for scaring all sponsors from cycling.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 19, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
The size of our league and the size of WorldTour have absolutely no connection.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: everseeker on June 20, 2014, 07:20:00 AM
hummm. I guess you're right.  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on June 23, 2014, 06:48:02 AM
Not even with 1st and 2nd in the GC was I able to be top scorer in TdS  :doh:

In a brighter note, it's nice to see Garfield and GTF separated by only 1 point just before TdF. It shows a competitive edge for the league, not that I'm in it.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 23, 2014, 07:37:55 AM
Not even with 1st and 2nd in the GC was I able to be top scorer in TdS  :doh:

Then again, only just beaten by another formidable team (the 3rd, the 4th, one week's worth of the leader jersey, and some decent helpers), while kicking everybody else's butts :toast:

During the auctions it was a bit tough when everybody kept adding 10% to my bids mostly just because I won the previous year, but by now I'm really loving the challenge :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on July 09, 2014, 10:58:21 AM
It's only Stage 5 of Tour de France, and yet i feel like Brazilians felt yesterday evening.....
My whole season is alredy screwed by falls.
Bye bye Cavendish and Froome. I was expecting a lot from both of you :(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 09, 2014, 11:02:47 AM
That's rough indeed :doh:

Unless Peraud wins this Tour :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 09, 2014, 03:54:52 PM
Reno, I really feel for you!

But I guess many of us have suffered some losses today. Konig, Rolland, Ten Dam, Horner, Schleck, Taaramäe, Navarro, Scarponi, Purito, Majka, and my own Intxausti and Machado suffered greatly in terms of top 10 dreams. But there has only been one withdrawal, THE withdrawal :(

Well, at least it's not like one person owns both Nibali and Boom...

Oh snap :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RenoDelft on July 09, 2014, 03:58:44 PM
Well, at least it's not like one person owns both Nibali and Boom...

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on July 09, 2014, 07:43:16 PM
Well, at least it's not like one person owns both Nibali and Boom...

LOL.  Sure, make us less fortunate/savvy.

Bye bye Cavendish and Froome. I was expecting a lot from both of you :(
It can be easy to lose $2000 of the team budget within the first 5 stages.

I really liked today's stage. It was amazing, with a lot of uncertainty for the CG. And Nibali and Fulgsang were just amazing  :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 10, 2014, 06:53:13 AM
I really liked today's stage. It was amazing, with a lot of uncertainty for the CG. And Nibali and Fulgsang were just amazing  :toth:

How about Westra? :win:

Astana actually wore down Sagan & Cancellara in a cobbled classic :o
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Jux1893 on July 14, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
So I guess it's time to start a La Vuelta thread.

Contador
Froome
J Rod
Quintana
Uran
Horner
Betancur
Dan Martin
Gesink  :rool:

just 41 days
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 27, 2014, 05:44:12 PM
Looking at the rosters, I like Ace's :Lotto: the most. But you need so much luck in this game :rool:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jul/23/alberto-contador-vuelta-a-espana-tour-de-france-crash-injury
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on July 28, 2014, 02:23:36 AM
There's a long way to go but i think the game is up.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on July 29, 2014, 06:41:09 AM
just seeing in the tour thread that you've lost a scorer I thought i'd have a little "play" using the first 2 stages of Wallonie and I managed not to break any thing(I think) so I can pick upa bit of th slack created.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 29, 2014, 06:46:36 AM
just seeing in the tour thread that you've lost a scorer I thought i'd have a little "play" using the first 2 stages of Wallonie and I managed not to break any thing(I think) so I can pick upa bit of th slack created.

 :taco: :beer: :toth: :win: :winner: :afro: :iatp: :bacon: :toast: :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on August 01, 2014, 06:48:04 AM
So Wallonie is scored including the auto's which seemed simple because no auto picker had more than 4 riders scoring.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on August 01, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
So Wallonie is scored including the auto's which seemed simple because no auto picker had more than 4 riders scoring.

Thank you kind sir :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on August 16, 2014, 06:04:22 AM
Scored a few more races although it hardly seemed to have much of an impact for my bunch of jokers   :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on August 16, 2014, 12:20:46 PM
I'll score Eneco and Burgos and then i really am done.

Contador now riding Vuelta; pretty much zero chance of being competitive in GC but a couple of stage wins would do nicely.

Him crashing out in TDF has probably cost me my chance this year but i still have the faintest of hopes.

At least i've had a good Eneco (leader and 5 of top 9, though could have been 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 10th if Stybar hadn't been taken out which would probably have been some sort of record in our game  :P).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 16, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
Hey Joelsim... 

(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/226/4e9/95a/resized/evil-plotting-raccoon-meme-generator-revenge-its-coming-9776d9.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 16, 2014, 07:10:42 PM
Hey Joelsim... 

(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/226/4e9/95a/resized/evil-plotting-raccoon-meme-generator-revenge-its-coming-9776d9.jpg)

Oh dear. I've just sent you a message to apologise...and then seen this.

Aaaaaggghhh.


Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 17, 2014, 06:05:42 AM
Well, the fun has started. A few of the big guns have already gone on decision day 1, Quintana, Froome and Nibs, as well as Bouhanni and Cavendish. Some more big guns looking like they are going today.

On the Neo-Pros, still 5 to go before I get a turn and the ones I wanted have all but gone already...just one left who I really really want...realistically though I'll be surprised if he is still there come my turn.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 17, 2014, 12:15:19 PM
Well things could get interesting because there is still alot of budget left. I am down to 440K, so not to much to do.

I still see 8-10 decent Neo's, but the big ones are all gone :bump:.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 17, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
My season is already a success :beer:

(http://cdn.cyclestyle.net/imgs/ogp_f/41452.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 17, 2014, 12:48:48 PM
I fancied him but his recent injury revelation has put me off somewhat. 2 operations required before the season even starts. Settled for the praying mantis from Sky and a resurgent Cav instead!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 17, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
Happy days. Bought 11 riders already. Froome, Cav, Van Keirsbulck, Sepulveda, Meintjes, Van Asbroeck, Oliveira, Valgren, Vallee, Dillier and Rojas. Youthful on the whole for 2 years.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 18, 2014, 04:39:16 AM
Two of those Diller and Van Keirsbulck, did quite well for me last year but I can't afford to bring back all the riders i wanted to(including the World Champ).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 18, 2014, 04:44:19 AM
Already a few bargains gone through, not least Cav. My buying strategy has gone all to hell. I'm already planning for 2016.

Quick note - I'm getting through the completed transactions as quickly as I can, but in the meantime if you're bidding on riders on page 3/4, please check the date and time to make sure 48 hours haven't elapsed since the previous bid. Easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 18, 2014, 06:47:15 AM
Already a few bargains gone through, not least Cav.

:Lampre: could destroy us all if all their stars stay healthy and in shape. Great beginning :toth:

Who's the biggest bargain for you thus far?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 18, 2014, 08:53:58 AM
Cav @ 600k is cheap. Kittel is twice as much.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 18, 2014, 08:56:42 AM

Who's the biggest bargain for you thus far?

Dan Craven + Dan Craven's beard for a combined €30k has to be buy of the season, bar none.

 :win:  :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 18, 2014, 08:57:05 AM
It's interesting as I have half an eye on next year, don't expect to do brilliantly this year in my rookie season. But have signed up some youngsters for two years as well as some proven points scorers (subject to fitness/crashes).

I'm half tempted to say that my biggest bargain may be Vallee so far even though he is cheap. Time will tell. I was pleased to get Cav on the cheap though, and just pleased to get Van Asbroeck, Dillier, Valgren and Sepulveda especially. Froome too, he was my number one target along with Kwia and I couldn't afford both.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on November 18, 2014, 05:40:57 PM
Why is Cadel an invalid transaction? Can't see anything in the rules against it.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 18, 2014, 06:53:06 PM
Why is Cadel an invalid transaction? Can't see anything in the rules against it.

My mistake. I thought he'd retired. Turns out he's retiring in February. Back on the auction block.  :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 18, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
If you want to buy him for the Tour of Oz then go ahead...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on November 18, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
Nice! Hope I'll keep the old man. Next step Horner.  :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 18, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
Cadel will do TDU and will still be one of the favourites :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 19, 2014, 02:22:34 AM
My team is a mess
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 19, 2014, 06:23:35 AM
My team is a mess

Just had a look and I was expecting much worse. You need to get a few more in but the ones you do have will score plenty of points. You still have half of your budget too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 19, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Not sure that you can say it's a mess. Viviani and Gerrans have both been bought for very good prices. Pinot less so.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 19, 2014, 09:51:04 AM
I have misjudged my money and suspect I will end up with about 25/26 riders.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 19, 2014, 11:02:33 AM
I have misjudged my money and suspect I will end up with about 25/26 riders.

I think it's quality over quantity. Looking at last years team 13 of my riders scored less than 100 points so i my have been better off with a few less but of higher scoring potential.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 19, 2014, 11:03:55 AM
I think it will be 21 for me so 25-26 is quite good
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on November 19, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
Agree with the quality over quantity approach. Looking for riders that might actually win something and help my totals.

Last season, I had riders that just cruised along with the peloton and then a couple of high quality riders which essentially provided all my points. I'll have a few roll alongs this season, but hopefully far fewer than last year.

Check the news: Astana might be in trouble - I hope Nibali has an escape clause if it all goes south with the UCI.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 19, 2014, 12:01:21 PM
Its someone from the youth-team, but who knowes what else will happen now. They dont seem to cleanup their act.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 19, 2014, 12:41:22 PM
Viviani and Gerrans have both been bought for very good prices.

I'm very curious about Gerrans. Good price on paper, but how fresh, how marked, and how hungry is he right now? (Remember the year after Gilbert won it all?) And can you still justify that salary at 36, or are you basically just assuming an almost automatic drop next winter?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 19, 2014, 02:19:00 PM
:WCRJ: Sorry boys, daddy couldn't help himself :WCRJ:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15RXjz0dlMzXpCn3zGxjfRWF3PtvPJHz83veGbpNZyJI/edit#gid=1796025982
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 19, 2014, 03:52:10 PM
:WCRJ: Sorry boys, daddy couldn't help himself :WCRJ:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15RXjz0dlMzXpCn3zGxjfRWF3PtvPJHz83veGbpNZyJI/edit#gid=1796025982

The curse of the rainbow jersey hopefully!!!!

Pleased with mine although not a lot left.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15RXjz0dlMzXpCn3zGxjfRWF3PtvPJHz83veGbpNZyJI/edit#gid=1974119008

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 19, 2014, 04:11:21 PM
I think it's quality over quantity.

I've gone more for the 'pay over the odds for riders who aren't actually that good' approach. Counter-intuitive, y'see.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 19, 2014, 04:17:32 PM
I hear you, but as it stands I will have 11 riders and just 500k left
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 19, 2014, 04:39:33 PM
I hear you, but as it stands I will have 11 riders and just 500k left

Oh dear. Think you need a period of inactivity like me then!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on November 19, 2014, 05:26:31 PM
Dæmn, need to cut my internet for a while too. Bottom of the budget is starting to show up  :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 19, 2014, 07:22:22 PM
Just been looking through the teams and there isn't one that really stands out head and shoulders above the others. Could be quite a few teams in play.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 20, 2014, 05:10:21 PM
Bloody hell, BMC have 27 riders already! WTF!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 21, 2014, 05:15:33 PM
Welcome to 5 new riders for a measly $150k. Txurruka, Kolar, Roy, Arashiro and Rast. All of them obviously GT winners...but pleased with a couple to be fair for no money!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 21, 2014, 06:03:53 PM
Established
Froome
Cav
Rojas

Young
Van Keirsbulck
Sepulveda
Meintjes
Van Asbroeck
Frank
Vallee
Valgren
Craddock
Dillier
D Van Poppel
Oliveira
Caruso
Formolo
Kung
De Buyst
Kolar

Fillers
Arashiro
Txurruka
Rast
Roy

Happy with that so far!!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 22, 2014, 07:22:29 AM
Anyone care to nominate their bargains of the year so far? Personally I'm quite happy with Cunego for €100k - I reckon he'll do well leading a pro-conti outfit. Also Marc De Maar was probably my most cost-effective pick last year apart from A. Yates so I'm hoping he'll repeat that trick at Roompot. Anyway, how could anyone not pick a rider from a team called Roompot?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 22, 2014, 07:43:18 AM
Viviani could turn out to be a steal at 300k per year for 2 years, when you look at the prices of the likes of Kittel etc

Whoever got Damiano Caruso at 210k per year has a steal (I was still trying to get Sagan at the time so had no more money to bid on him)

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 22, 2014, 08:13:55 AM
Agreed on Caruso, it's a good bet. But you must not look at Kittel's price, we had much much less expertise in previous years. Also, it depends on the exact moment when that bid was made. Some people occasionally get stuck with too much money left.

Nobody likes my new captain?  :o

(http://www.ignis.fr/expats-sport/images/actus/S.Chavanel%20bg%20expats-sport_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 22, 2014, 08:51:42 AM
Yes very pleased with Caruso, hope he is up for the Giro as he will have a good chance of doing well.

Biggest bargains for me are:
Vakoc at $90
Jesus Herrada at $130
Simon at $70
Viviani at $300
Vangenechten at $100
Impey at $160
Reichenback at $110
Mooric at $30
Baugnies at $50







Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 22, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
Viviani could turn out to be a steal at 300k per year for 2 years, when you look at the prices of the likes of Kittel etc


I dropped Viviani this season as I had him on contract for twice that amount - but even at €300k his points total last season would've been disappointing. Moving to Sky is interesting. I'm presuming they've got the Giro in mind for him, seeing as their 2014 squad was a bit of a curate's egg in the absence of Porte. However, packed as they are with an INSANE amount of riding talent, they aren't a sprinter's team. So we'll see.

Bear in mind also that I'm usually wrong.  :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 22, 2014, 09:10:51 AM
He did a lot for Sagan last year, his year he should be lead sprinter
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 22, 2014, 09:11:31 AM
I'm also quite happy with Uran at €550k. He's the best GC rider outside of the Big Four IMO.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 22, 2014, 09:18:31 AM
Better than Aru, Purito and Piti, or Pinot, LadyGarden, Porte and Konig?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: RedskinsNo.1 on November 22, 2014, 09:39:12 AM
I like Uran but don't think he is better than the likes Purito, Valverde, Van Garderen, Pinot and Aru

He might be on a par with those guys but I think the likes of Pinot, TVG and Aru are more likely to take the step up to join the big 4 than Uran is
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 22, 2014, 02:13:11 PM
On Viviani I feel he has the potential to do well especially at 300k

Didn't realise Uran had gone so cheap, I saw the number of posts and didnt even open his thread thinking he was well in the millions.

Aru, Pinot, Bardet, Tejay, Talansky etc have more time on there side than uran. Uran will never have full gc backing like a pinot or aru would have at there respective GT's
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on November 22, 2014, 03:37:16 PM
I'm hoping Kevin Reza can deliver although he's primarly there to help Demare. Not to mention Tintin Rebellin's ability to still perhaps win some smaller one day race  :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 22, 2014, 04:02:33 PM
Thought that comment might put the Colombian cat among the pigeons! But 2nd place two Giro running isn't bad. And he's not exactly ancient at 27. Aru may well have a little more, possibly Pinot too; time will tell. Less sure about Bardet, TJVG & Talansky. I've little doubt he's stronger than Porte or Koenig.

As for Valverde, I don't see him improving at his age and would take Uran over him for a three-week GT any time. Rodriguez too - and I think he'll be more for the one-dayers and stage wins now. (N.B. I think both riders are more valuable in this game though).

At Quickstep Uran will basically never ride the Tour as long as he & Cav are in the same team, but they'll ride mostly for him at the Giro and possibly elsewhere.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 22, 2014, 04:04:32 PM

Aru, Pinot, Bardet, Tejay, Talansky etc have more time on there side than uran. Uran will never have full gc backing like a pinot or aru would have at there respective GT's

Will Pinot have full backing with Demare in the squad with him?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 22, 2014, 04:29:43 PM
not sure, ive over paid for pinot. Id take Uran any day at 550k, id have taken aru at 1m over pinot too. But ive got to live with what I have, which in all honesty is not alot when it comes to gc and again noone for the classics so im gonna have a struggle this time, having lost tejay and pozzovivo
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 23, 2014, 08:24:25 AM
So Joel PM'ed me asking to have Tschopp's contract annulled. Thoughts?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tschopp-switches-from-road-to-mountain-bike-in-2015
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on November 23, 2014, 08:59:43 AM
It's only a small contract so has not much bearing on the game so if he wants it annulled so be it.

If it as me though i'm not so sure I would just in case he decides on a mid season comeback.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 23, 2014, 10:44:26 AM
I'd annul it. If someone started bidding for Louison Bobet or Fausto Coppi for dubious lulz, we'd just move it to invalid transactions.

In this case it's an honest mistake, so let's give a pass and set the precedent.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 23, 2014, 10:52:40 AM
I think it would set the wrong precedent.

If you bid on a rider who doesn't have a contract for the next year then you might end up with a bargain, or you might end up with a lame duck. For example, Horner and S. Sanchez were going for relatively low prices this year, but I wasn't willing to bid on them because it's not clear if/where they'll be riding next year. Other people were willing to take the risk and they will be rewarded if those guys end up racing at a high level, but punished if they don't.

If everybody's allowed to annul the contracts of retired riders then this element of the game disappears.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 23, 2014, 11:01:50 AM
@Al: I personally think the contract value is irrelevant.

@Ghedebrav: not a mistake as much as Tschopp waking up one day and deciding to stop.

Personally, I wouldn't mind changing the rules, because this way nobody gets screwed and thus we can all have more fun. (This is why I always insist for all my leagues to remain free, so that fun factor and common sense are the only factors.) But I value everybody's opinions.

The new rule would potentially sound something like "If a freshly-signed rider decides to quit to stop his road career that same winter, his contract can be annulled."

PS
Note that once the precedent is set, we would automatically also annul e.g. Horner in case he retires or Wiggo in case his contract negotiations break down and he decides not to come back to the road. Unlikely, but just sayin'...

@GTF: I hear ya! And in case the new rule passes, those dudes should prolly get re-auctioned...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2014, 11:10:38 AM
It's weird. He was showing as having signed on PCS. Then I bid for him, then the very next thing he quits.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2014, 11:12:22 AM
I didn't think I was taking a punt on an unsigned rider in this instance.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2014, 11:31:22 AM
So it's a bit different from taking a punt on someone like Horner who hasn't got a contract. That is a calculated risk as opposed to bidding on someone who has signed and then retires.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on November 23, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Stuff like Tschopp's retirement doesn't occur often. Not significant enough for a new rule imo. Anyway I think we should annul his contract based on situation's exceptionality, but prevent that situations like Horner and Samu would apply. 
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
I agree Oliveira. I took a punt on EPO Chris but bailed, on the off-chance that he may have found a contract but not confirmed. For those who bid on him or Samu they are taking a risk and if it works out then they have got a deal, if not then they have lost out.

Tschopp had a contract and then decided he wanted to end it early. Different case entirely.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 23, 2014, 04:56:47 PM
I think its ok during the draftweeks, but not after dec 13(a month after start)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on November 23, 2014, 05:53:54 PM
I agree Oliveira. I took a punt on EPO Chris but bailed, on the off-chance that he may have found a contract but not confirmed. For those who bid on him or Samu they are taking a risk and if it works out then they have got a deal, if not then they have lost out.

Tschopp had a contract and then decided he wanted to end it early. Different case entirely.

As far as I can tell, Tschopp didn't have a contract for 2015.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2014, 06:21:41 PM
I'm only going by PCS, which inferred he had one as he was on the confirmed riders for 2015, which was the resource I used. Rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on November 23, 2014, 06:37:59 PM
Fwiw in my opinion you bid on riders at your peril (too complicated otherwise) but should be allowed to cut anyone at any point throughout the season and just take the cap hit.

Thus if you drop a 30k rider your budget becomes 4970k. Would be another way to keep people active during the season.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2014, 04:34:41 PM
Any decision? As I only have $20k left and obv would like the massive sum of $50k

 :bacon:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 25, 2014, 05:35:46 AM
Joel, I must admit I'm a bit uncomfortable here. Not everybody seems on board, and historically we always had zero tolerance when it came to annulments, be it for contract disputes, injuries, doping, or anything else...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2014, 08:06:05 AM
OK understand. Just thought this was a different case as he had a road contract with IAM and he then decided to change his focus and give up road half way through.

Happy either way, don't want to make a mountain bike out of a molehill.

Can I have his MTB points then please?  :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 25, 2014, 09:28:46 AM
Can I have his MTB points then please?  :toast:

Hmmm, almost gives me ideas for a new game: road + MTB + track combined :rofl:

PS
Appreciate your understanding. A lot.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2014, 09:38:02 AM
Hmmm, almost gives me ideas for a new game: road + MTB + track combined :rofl:

PS
Appreciate your understanding. A lot.

No probs, after all we are all here to have fun. I'm out of cash now, so for me ze var is over. My team is looking decent I think, but being a rookie and going for so many youngsters it could go either way. Guess I need my couple of big guns to stay out of trouble.

Froome
Van Keirsbulck
Cav
Rojas
Sepulveda
Meintjes
Van Asbroeck
Frank
Vallee
Valgren
Craddock
Diller
Van Popp D.
Oliveira
Caruso D.
Formolo
Kung
De Buyst
Rast
Kolar
Arashiro
Roy
Txurruka
Gerdemann
Manzin
Denifl
Ferrari
+1 TBC

28 in total, is that good or is 30 very beneficial?

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 25, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
28 in total, is that good or is 30 very beneficial?

It's not beneficial. It just makes you suicidal when selecting out of 16 guys doing the Tour and then the last you cut wins a stage. It also makes you refresh startlists every 10 minutes. Because if you don't you can end up like me. (True story: Intxausti was added last-minute to 2014 TdP, I didn't notice. It's not like those 184 points would have won be the game or anything, right? :rool:)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
It's not beneficial. It just makes you suicidal when selecting out of 16 guys doing the Tour and then the last you cut wins a stage. It also makes you refresh startlists every 10 minutes. Because if you don't you can end up like me. (True story: Intxausti was added last-minute to 2014 TdP, I didn't notice. It's not like those 184 points would have won be the game or anything, right? :rool:)

Ha ha. Many of mine won't be going to the Tour!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 25, 2014, 09:58:05 PM
The Google-spreadsheet is updated, but the copy-paste is not working very good so everyone please check their own team :toth:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 26, 2014, 05:20:49 AM
the 2nd year (2016) of Albasini's contract is missing off my team
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 26, 2014, 05:35:13 AM
The Google-spreadsheet is updated, but the copy-paste is not working very good so everyone please check their own team :toth:

Thanks!
Also, do check for typos people, and post here if you notice somebody not scoring the points they should.
E.g. I've just corrected Nerz. The formula would have never picked up "NERZ Dominic" to score a single point.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 26, 2014, 05:38:32 AM
the 2nd year (2016) of Albasini's contract is missing off my team

 :judge:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2014, 06:59:49 AM
I'm just missing my 2nd Neo Pro, Manzin off my sheet now.

And I seem to have a mountain biker too.  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on November 27, 2014, 03:29:23 PM
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/11/news/astana-continental-team-suspended-wake-new-positive_354438

“These young guys are crazy if they don’t realize doping has no place in cycling,” Vinokourov told La Gazzetta during a team camp in Italy. :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 27, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/11/news/astana-continental-team-suspended-wake-new-positive_354438

“These young guys are crazy if they don’t realize doping has no place in cycling,” Vinokourov told La Gazzetta during a team camp in Italy. :rofl:

A worried man. In fact a worried liar.

And given the development team has nothing to do with him, it's interesting that he has suspended it. Tosser.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on November 27, 2014, 07:33:24 PM
Woods is angry : http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11/canadian-pro-woods-blasts-astana-rider-davidenok-over-qinghai-lake-dominance-and-doping/

How about the prize money amounts?   :rool:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 27, 2014, 07:37:40 PM
Too right mate, Unfortunately I don't believe it is just Astana, they have just picked a doctor who doesn't know his stuff.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on November 28, 2014, 01:13:44 AM
Too right mate, Unfortunately I don't believe it is just Astana, they have just picked a doctor who doesn't know his stuff.

This.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: derrudi on November 28, 2014, 05:27:03 AM
I seem to be missing my 2nd neo-pro as well. Rest seems in order.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 28, 2014, 07:41:48 PM
I have 16 riders aged 25 or under, 5 over 30s and 6 between 26 and 29. That's a bit too young I think.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on November 28, 2014, 07:57:15 PM
I have 16 riders aged 25 or under, 5 over 30s and 6 between 26 and 29. That's a bit too young I think.

Probably; see Lotto and Radioshack last year if you want to compare.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 28, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
Well it could be very young for 2 years as I have 10 signed up for 2016 already, the lion's share of the budget.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 29, 2014, 11:03:46 AM
Team complete. Money spent.

GC
Froome (29)
Sepulveda (23)
Meintjes (22)
Frank (27)
Caruso (27)
Formolo (22)
Craddock (22)

Sprint
Cav (29)
Van Asbroeck (24)
Vallee (21)
Van Poppel (21)
De Buyst (21)
Kolar (21)
Ferrari (31)
Manzin (20)

Classics/All-rounders
Rojas (29)
Van Keirsbulck (23)
Valgren (22)
Dillier (24)
Kung (21)
Rast (34)
Denifl (27)
Carthy (20)
Gerdemann (32)
Van Lerberghe (22)

Others
Roy (31)
Txurruka (32)
Oliveira (25)

Mountain Bikers
Tschopp
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 29, 2014, 04:30:58 PM
Worried about my team, im lacking sprinters, as well as a top sprinter, I don't have a big GC man, and have noone for the classics, especially the cobbled classics
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 29, 2014, 04:47:15 PM
Other than that all good TER  :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 29, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
Moreno, Pinot, Chaves.

Gerrans, Viviani, Huta, Swift, Stuyven, Van Genechten
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 30, 2014, 04:20:35 AM
I dont see Moreno as GC now, Chaves isn't GC yet, and Pinot just doesn't show up to enough races, he isn't in the froome, contador bracket etc

agree they are sprinters, well not really gerrans and not so much swift these days, but none are a kittel, Cav, Kristoff

Look at Movistar, Valverde and Kristoff, yourself Cav and Froome, Tinkoff Greipel, Majka and Nibali, Quickstep Sagan, Degenkolb and Betancur and so on

I feel like I jumped to hard too soon with Pinot, overbidding and then spent too long trying and failing to get sagan, missing out on plenty of others
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on November 30, 2014, 04:39:54 AM
You haven't got a bad roster
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 11, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Rio road race announced:

(http://naszosie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IO-start-wsp%C3%B3lny.jpg)

(http://naszosie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Profil-IO.jpg)

So I'm thinking Gerrans & Valverde too old, just enough climbing to lose Cav & Bouhanni, tire Degenkolb, and leave Kwiato with Sagan and a bunch of guys who can't sprint (Costa, Gilbert etc.) :taco:

Btw, anybody joining me to watch it live?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 11, 2014, 07:00:38 AM
Bouhanni can climb. It wouldn't surprise me if he became a good classics rider like JD in the next couple of years.

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Route_du_Sud_la_Depeche_du_Midi_2014_Stage_1_Payolle_Campan
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 11, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
As Europcar is no longer WT, any chance I can become Sky?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 11, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
I have no objections, would be good to update the teams
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 11, 2014, 06:40:45 PM
As Europcar is no longer WT, any chance I can become Sky?

Done :judge:
It required changing some formulas, so let's pray I didn't forget any...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on December 11, 2014, 07:37:43 PM
As Europcar is no longer WT, any chance I can become Sky?

You're the kiss of death for WT teams.  :P 
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 12, 2014, 04:06:42 AM
You're the kiss of death for WT teams.  :P

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 12, 2014, 05:13:31 AM
I think he picked his team with a Continental team in mind  :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 12, 2014, 12:34:40 PM
Euskatel, now Europcar, Sky next? I think not....
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on December 16, 2014, 12:31:30 PM
Is that the Olympic road race route (as in 2016?)? Or a sort of practice event next year?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 16, 2014, 01:33:18 PM
2016 baby :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LostViking on December 16, 2014, 04:50:05 PM
Anybody know where to find a startlist for Laigueglia?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 16, 2014, 05:33:05 PM

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rcs/-2015-EuropeTour
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 16, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
Anybody know where to find a startlist for Laigueglia?

Just a bit early :P

Check here (http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Trofeo_Laigueglia_2014) to see 2014 result (you can go back as far as you like, Museeuw won in 95 fwiw  :rofl:).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 17, 2014, 03:09:41 AM
Anybody know where to find a startlist for Laigueglia?

Even if it was out there, it's optimal if you check it 24-48 hours before the race starts. Those things change all the time. I'd know, it cost me the title last year :rofl:

In other news:

- I'll be 99% offline for a while. Merry Xmas everyone!
- I'll start the prediction thread around New Year.
- In case you haven't noticed, I created a little tool showing how much of free agency is still ahead of us: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15RXjz0dlMzXpCn3zGxjfRWF3PtvPJHz83veGbpNZyJI/edit#gid=1666188706
(it will update itself whenever completed auctions are added to the spreadsheet too)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 17, 2014, 06:27:18 AM
Cheers mate. Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 18, 2014, 08:16:33 AM
Gerdemann is still showing as mine under the 'all' tab
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 18, 2014, 11:00:03 AM
I've got a feeling that Phinney is finished as an elite rider. Hope not but his injury seems to be worse than expected.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 18, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Anyone thinking of going for Santa this Christmas...don't. He's been popped again 10 days before his new contract started he tested +ve for testosterone.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 18, 2014, 01:18:46 PM
Gerdemann is still showing as mine under the 'all' tab

Fixed.

Also if anyone wants to add the riders they have won that have not yet appeared on the spreadsheet feel free to do so. Copy the rider name and center align and just type the cost.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 18, 2014, 06:10:42 PM
My sole purchase of Stig Broeckx has been added so this can be moved to completed.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 19, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
Just out of curiosity what is the score we should aim for roughly based on the last few years?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 19, 2014, 07:47:16 PM
10k.

Check the 2013/2014 tabs in the header (game was identical to current format).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 19, 2014, 08:30:34 PM
So double the cost and you're in with a shout.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2014, 09:39:23 AM
Gerrans broken collarbone, out of TDU.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on December 22, 2014, 02:04:52 PM
Gerrans broken collarbone, out of TDU.

Thats a big ouch.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2014, 03:07:18 PM
Only for TER  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on December 22, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Only for TER  :doh:

Had to cry myself to sleep this week...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 22, 2014, 11:32:57 PM
If it helps i had G. Thomas crash out of Paris-Nice, Stybar crash out of Eneco and Contador crash out of TDF and still ended up winning.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 23, 2014, 05:02:05 AM
If Froome isn't fit for a long period then I am stuffed
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 23, 2014, 06:14:55 AM
Kelderman broken collarbone too
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 23, 2014, 07:19:46 AM
Ulissi live ticker

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/22-12-2014/ulissi-lugano-udienza-salbutamolo-positivo-doping-100297277456.shtml

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 23, 2014, 11:54:04 PM
Ulissi live ticker

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/22-12-2014/ulissi-lugano-udienza-salbutamolo-positivo-doping-100297277456.shtml

Decision delayed. He'll end up getting six months i think.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 24, 2014, 06:49:31 AM
Gazzetta has reported he is likely to get 9-12 months starting from last May so it's likely he won't miss much of the coming season.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on December 26, 2014, 07:57:59 AM
Can't for the life of me find out which pro-conti teams are racing TDU, even though it's less than a month away (presumably the teams themselves will know by now). Aside from this illustrating one of the many issues with pro-cycling at the moment, can anyone enlighten me?

P.S. I've seen Drapac listed on PCS.

P.P.S. Merry bloomin' Christmas!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 28, 2014, 05:58:03 PM
Also if anyone wants to add the riders they have won that have not yet appeared on the spreadsheet feel free to do so. Copy the rider name and center align and just type the cost.

Quite honestly, I prefer random people didn't do it. That being said, I still desperately need people to help me out. But I'd like them so send me a quick PM first, so that I can make them mods and instruct them how the formulae work. No rider should be added to the spreadsheet without his thread being moved, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on December 28, 2014, 08:21:52 PM
Quite honestly, I prefer random people didn't do it. That being said, I still desperately need people to help me out. But I'd like them so send me a quick PM first, so that I can make them mods and instruct them how the formulae work. No rider should be added to the spreadsheet without his thread being moved, and vice versa.

Apologies; was just difficult to keep track of how much cap room and how many free roster slots i had.

Edit: Prediction thread soon (i'm on holiday Jan 3-18)?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 29, 2014, 03:50:03 AM
No worries, you know by now I'm a bit OCD when it comes to those things :)

As promised, predictions almost ready, just need to fill in my own replies before I send out the PM.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on December 29, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
As you're a bit OCD you'd better check the 3(I think) riders that I added to my team. I dont think I broke anything but knowing me you never can tell.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 29, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
Sure, just went through the entire Movistar and corrected 7 names:
As you guys might have noticed by now, people with a space after their name will not score any points.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 29, 2014, 04:41:28 PM
Predictions done

(also removed all the extra spaces after names in all teams)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 30, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
Just cleaned up the forum quite a bit:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 30, 2014, 10:58:46 AM
I can help with the transactions today. Tell me how to do it and I will do this afternoon.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 30, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
I can help with the transactions today. Tell me how to do it and I will do this afternoon.

Thanks a million!
Just made you a mod.
You need to do two things only, but never one without the other:
- enter rider & salary into spreadsheet,
- move thread to Completed.
Thanks again, go wild :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 30, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Just on the individual pages of the teams?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 30, 2014, 11:14:56 AM
Yup!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on December 30, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
Done. Not a lot of money or spaces left for the season!

You may all want to double check your teams as it's my first time.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on December 30, 2014, 03:23:53 PM
You're the man :toast:
Title: A couple of rider 'watch out fors'
Post by: Joelsim on January 02, 2015, 07:52:41 AM
http://inrng.com/2014/12/riders-to-watch-for-2015/

http://inrng.com/2015/01/10-neo-pros-to-watch-for-2015/
Title: Re: A couple of rider 'watch out fors'
Post by: Garfield on January 02, 2015, 08:21:03 AM
Kudos for writing Majka's and Kwiato's respective first names correctly :win:
Title: Re: A couple of rider 'watch out fors'
Post by: Joelsim on January 09, 2015, 11:23:00 AM
A nice piece on some of the youngsters

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/12_young_riders_to_watch_in_2015/

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 13, 2015, 10:43:03 AM
Something for bad weather:
http://www.sporcle.com/games/tobydawq/cycling-worldtour-2013
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 13, 2015, 11:00:48 AM
I have trouble remembering my own name.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on January 13, 2015, 04:09:39 PM
Something for bad weather:
http://www.sporcle.com/games/tobydawq/cycling-worldtour-2013

Got about 170 I think. Bad spelling may have cost me a few more.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 14, 2015, 05:25:05 AM
Got about 170 I think. Bad spelling may have cost me a few more.

That's very good!
And how is your long-term memory?
http://www.sporcle.com/games/jutmagt/top-pro-tour-cyclists
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 14, 2015, 07:35:26 AM
Wildcards

Paris-Nice
BSE
COF
EUR

Dauphine
COF
EUR
MTN
BOA

Tour
COF
EUR
BSE
BOA
MTN


Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on January 14, 2015, 08:06:39 AM
That's very good!
And how is your long-term memory?
http://www.sporcle.com/games/jutmagt/top-pro-tour-cyclists

I can safely say my memory could be better scoring just 28. Some big names were forgotten.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 14, 2015, 02:17:38 PM
Got about 170 I think. Bad spelling may have cost me a few more.

Got 176 (my mind went blank)

Should have been 181 but for spelling
Title: road.cc fantasy league open today
Post by: Joelsim on January 14, 2015, 05:32:53 PM
http://fantasy.road.cc/home
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on January 15, 2015, 05:25:13 AM
Got 176 (my mind went blank)

Should have been 181 but for spelling

I had KWIATKOWSKI Michal(copy and pasted) in my team last season and I couldn't quite manage to get the letters in the right order.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 15, 2015, 05:28:22 AM
I had KWIATKOWSKI Michal(copy and pasted) in my team last season and I couldn't quite manage to get the letters in the right order.

Half the Polish surnames (including your truly's) end in -ski or -cki. You'll get there :toast:

Repeat after me: Huzarski, Marczynski, Paterski... :rofl:
Title: Good luck everyone
Post by: Joelsim on January 18, 2015, 08:20:21 AM
Looking forward to this now, may the best team win, but more importantly have fun!

 :bacon:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 19, 2015, 05:57:14 AM
Ulissi banned for 9 months, back riding on 25th March.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on January 19, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
That's nice! I gambled on Ulissi and Phinney thinking more about 2016 but at least Diego can be a good value already in 2015.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: derrudi on January 20, 2015, 05:23:18 AM
I guess we'll get a repeat giro performance from Ulissi this year.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2015, 06:34:47 AM
Both rankings now ready to go :judge:

Since the results of the first stage are in, this is the time of year when I ask who wants to volunteer to learn how to insert the results :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on January 20, 2015, 09:36:32 AM
knowledge does not occupy head
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 20, 2015, 01:33:23 PM
Nobody, really? :rool:


Anywhooo, say 'hi' to :Vacansoleil: scrooll7 who missed the draft by mere hours but still bravely decided to find 30 dudes nobody else loves :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on January 20, 2015, 02:31:19 PM
Welcome scrooll7!

And yeah, I would like to know how to do those updates. I assume somebody does it for every stage, final GC and classics, right? That's a lot so I would like to contribute.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scrooll7 on January 20, 2015, 03:37:01 PM
Hi to everyone,happy that even the late join I was able to participate
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 20, 2015, 03:52:25 PM
Hi to everyone,happy that even the late join I was able to participate

Welcome Scrooll7!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on January 20, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
Hi to everyone,happy that even the late join I was able to participate

hi, I am Pro Conti too :win: :toast:
You still managed to get a nice bunch of riders together :) shame on me for missing Lasca, I've got him in some other games :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on January 21, 2015, 03:27:18 AM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/flakemore-breaks-collarbone-in-post-race-crash

First Dowsett, now this. My team is having a little collarbone-crisis. Who's next?  :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2015, 04:44:20 AM
And yeah, I would like to know how to do those updates. I assume somebody does it for every stage, final GC and classics, right? That's a lot so I would like to contribute.

That's very much appreciated, thanks! :toast:
It's a very easy job actually, 99% automated. You'll see!
I'm online all day, just post here again and then meet me on the spreadsheet chat 2 minutes later :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on January 21, 2015, 06:33:15 AM
That's very much appreciated, thanks! :toast:
It's a very easy job actually, 99% automated. You'll see!
I'm online all day, just post here again and then meet me on the spreadsheet chat 2 minutes later :)

Around 20pm CET is ok to you?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 21, 2015, 06:50:11 AM
Around 8pm CET is ok to you?

Ferpect, see you tonight!
(Other volunteers, feel free to join. It'll take 5 minutes only.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on January 21, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
The UCI didnt wait until next year to use their new point-system, but started already this year. They just forgot to tell anyone :puke:.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: AlyKaptan on January 22, 2015, 08:03:01 AM
I would like to know how to do those updates too if it's not too late.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 22, 2015, 10:19:47 AM
I would like to know how to do those updates too if it's not too late.

That would be awesome. I have a weird curling/BBQ event tonight, but should be home around 11pm easily. Too late?
(Now also works, still online for an hour.)


The UCI didnt wait until next year to use their new point-system, but started already this year. They just forgot to tell anyone :puke:.

What is it?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on January 22, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
http://inrng.com/2015/01/new-uci-points-classification-2015/

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
http://inrng.com/2015/01/new-uci-points-classification-2015/

Well, luckily CQ is still doing their usual thing, see the results in the spreadsheet :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 23, 2015, 04:03:39 PM
Samu has resigned for BMC. someone will be happy
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: AlyKaptan on January 23, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
Von Hoff wins stage 4 in TDU. Great result for a Pro Conti Team I could say. Selig scored some points too. :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 23, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Between this and Rujano, you're really killing it already :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on January 24, 2015, 02:27:35 PM
Von Hoff wins stage 4 in TDU. Great result for a Pro Conti Team I could say. Selig scored some points too. :win:

not sure if he'll get many more scoring opportunities though ;)

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 24, 2015, 04:05:04 PM
Barring a disaster, im going to have the TDU winner for the 2nd year running
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 25, 2015, 05:58:09 AM
A shocking start to the year for Lampre, their rookie DS is now under pressure to improve results in the team for the next race, a few late points from Boris Vallee notwithstanding.

New DS Joel Simister explained the result with injuries to Craddock and Manzin, and illness striking Kolar. Ferrari proved to need a service and Dillier dilly dallied for most of the race.

Argh!

 :doh:
Title: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Joelsim on January 26, 2015, 01:22:22 PM
I think I should have points for Ferrari, Dillier and Vallee from the TDU.
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
And you will, as soon as somebody scores the race :)
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Joelsim on January 26, 2015, 03:07:37 PM
Oh I see. Some scores are already in, is that for earlier stages?
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Garfield on January 26, 2015, 03:08:35 PM
Oh I see. Some scores are already in, is that for earlier stages?

Yes, please see the Results sheet.
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Florry on January 28, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
I'd add the results ... if I knew how  :doh: 8 points for Brutt!
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Garfield on January 28, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
I'd add the results ... if I knew how  :doh: 8 points for Brutt!

If you want to learn, meet me on the spreadsheet chat in 2 minutes :)
(To activate the chat you need to log in using your Google Account.)
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Florry on January 28, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Dang missed it :rool:
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Garfield on January 28, 2015, 12:24:56 PM
Dang missed it :rool:

I'm still there :beer:
Title: Re: How does the scoring work?
Post by: Florry on January 28, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
I'm still there :beer:

I'm in the chat :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 28, 2015, 12:50:13 PM
With some great help from Portugal, Romania, and the Netherlands, TDU is now scored :taco:

(Oh yeah :Movistar:, you just got pwned by :RadioShack: :bacon:)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on January 28, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
With some great help from Portugal, Romania, and the Netherlands, TDU is now scored :taco:

(Oh yeah :Movistar:, you just got pwned by :RadioShack: :bacon:)

The only way is up.(not for you obviously, it could get even worse for you :afro:)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on January 29, 2015, 06:04:26 AM
thanks to George Bennett my season kick off wasn't complete disaster  :toth:

Dubai starting list whats up!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 29, 2015, 06:49:45 AM
My season start has been ahem, low-key...

Dubai is quite late really.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 29, 2015, 02:48:44 PM
Looking good for Dubai, full team, including Viviani and Swift, so hoping for some decent result, hoping one of them finishes well on GC. Hoping Mondory does something too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scrooll7 on January 29, 2015, 03:48:34 PM
With my 23 pts from TDU I'm last in the Pro Conti div. for now but except Astana the others are close to me,not looking to get much more from Dubai as I have only Palini from Skydrive but in Qatar and Oman would be better as I have 3 riders there
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on January 29, 2015, 05:03:36 PM
With my 23 pts from TDU I'm last in the Pro Conti div. for now but except Astana the others are close to me,not looking to get much more from Dubai as I have only Palini from Skydrive but in Qatar and Oman would be better as I have 3 riders there

You can feel proud, if us three got the scraps what did you get?! 23 points is not bad at all :win:

Astana/Aly picked three riders pretty much just for TDU, Von Hoff, Van der Ploeg and Power, and only Von Hoff scored more than the standard 5 points for finishing :)

Now that I mention it Aly has an interesting strategy, while the other 3 ProConti teams pretty much picked riders that will score small amounts of points throughout the year, Aly picked several that can score very big in one or two races (and if they don't, they don't have any other opportunities to score!) It's a risk but sometimes you have to take risks to win a game :)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: joecool37 on January 29, 2015, 05:53:43 PM
You can feel proud, if us three got the scraps what did you get?! 23 points is not bad at all :win:

Astana/Aly picked three riders pretty much just for TDU, Von Hoff, Van der Ploeg and Power, and only Von Hoff scored more than the standard 5 points for finishing :)

Now that I mention it Aly has an interesting strategy, while the other 3 ProConti teams pretty much picked riders that will score small amounts of points throughout the year, Aly picked several that can score very big in one or two races (and if they don't, they don't have any other opportunities to score!) It's a risk but sometimes you have to take risks to win a game :)


We will see if that works  :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 30, 2015, 04:10:17 AM
Interesting indeed! Seeing your enthusiasm, part of me wishes I was Pro-Conti too, truly happy about anything I can score :afro:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on January 30, 2015, 05:34:48 AM
On paper Astana does look strong, the Galacticos!

Talking of strong, so far this year with Lampre Tschopp announced he was mountainbiking, Craddock breaks three bones in a crash, Manzin gets caught in the same crash and has to abandon, Simon gets chickenpox and Denifl says he hasn't been able to train since last season due to a knee problem. Agh.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on January 30, 2015, 05:36:56 AM
Simon totally chickened out...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on January 30, 2015, 02:22:03 PM
Roll on Omloop; start of the proper racing.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: oliveira on February 04, 2015, 12:20:23 PM
Just did the Dubai Tour St.1 update on the sheet and cq points for Lobato/ Porsev/Viviani were updated. Not to Cav/Guardini though. And no idea what went wrong!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 05, 2015, 06:28:05 AM
Just did the Dubai Tour St.1 update on the sheet and cq points for Lobato/ Porsev/Viviani were updated. Not to Cav/Guardini though. And no idea what went wrong!

It's a conspiracy I tell you, a conspiracy!

 :soapbox:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 05, 2015, 09:31:18 AM
Looking at the score coding I appear to have 'Garmin' in some of it and not in others. I won't touch anything but could that be it?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on February 05, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
Looking at the score coding I appear to have 'Garmin' in some of it and not in others. I won't touch anything but could that be it?

That's it.

I fixed Dubai. Using common sense you should be able to ctrl+c a non affected rider and then paste down the entire column separately for races which you've selected riders in. Then copy the entire rest of spread from a team like Lotto.Obviously wait for the big man before touching the formulas though!

Lotto was fine, but Ag2R had one affected rider (Ilia Koshevoy), Argos had two (Baugnies, Dehaes), BMC is messed up, Garmin had one (Impey), Omega had one (Betancur), Radioshack had one (Morabito), everyone not mentioned appeared to be fine, didn't check pro-conti.

Maybe Garfield can shed some light but it's a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 05, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
That's it.

I fixed Dubai. Using common sense you should be able to ctrl+c a non affected rider and then paste down the entire column separately for races which you've selected riders in. Then copy the entire rest of spread from a team like Lotto.Obviously wait for the big man before touching the formulas though!

Lotto was fine, but Ag2R had one affected rider (Ilia Koshevoy), Argos had two (Baugnies, Dehaes), BMC is messed up, Garmin had one (Impey), Omega had one (Betancur), Radioshack had one (Morabito), everyone not mentioned appeared to be fine, didn't check pro-conti.

Maybe Garfield can shed some light but it's a mystery to me.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 05, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
I'm on it. Will be fixed in an hour.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 05, 2015, 02:32:31 PM
Solved. All clean now. In the process, had to murder everybody's preliminary team selection from Laigueglia on. (Not like it was life-changing data, but my apologies still.)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 05, 2015, 03:41:54 PM
Solved. All clean now. In the process, had to murder everybody's preliminary team selection from Laigueglia on. (Not like it was life-changing data, but my apologies still.)

I'll be very disappointed if Froome wins the Tour and I've put Tschopp in instead.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ghedebrav on February 06, 2015, 03:48:13 AM
Quick question - I was travelling for work recently and unable to get into the drive to update for Qatar. Last year in these situations the 'auto selection' thing happened. Same this year?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on February 06, 2015, 03:49:16 AM
Yes, of course!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 06, 2015, 04:19:03 AM
Quick question - I was travelling for work recently and unable to get into the drive to update for Qatar. Last year in these situations the 'auto selection' thing happened. Same this year?

If you want to PM me your selections I will add them if you are away.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: joecool37 on February 07, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
Europcar takes over Pro Conti ranking  :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 07, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Europcar takes over Pro Conti ranking  :toast:

Nice. Hope to see you in the World Tour next year  :bacon:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: joecool37 on February 07, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
Nice. Hope to see you in the World Tour next year  :bacon:

You bet  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 21, 2015, 11:27:17 AM
Andalucia has got to be on the calendar next year, what an amazing two stages. Best racing I've seen for a while. Algarve too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 21, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
Andalucia has got to be on the calendar next year, what an amazing two stages. Best racing I've seen for a while. Algarve too.

Unless the races get upgraded they wont be
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 21, 2015, 05:07:03 PM
Unless the races get upgraded they wont be

The categories in real life are mad when you have stunning fields like these playing second fiddle to Langkawi
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 22, 2015, 03:57:34 PM
The categories in real life are mad when you have stunning fields like these playing second fiddle to Langkawi

That may well be true, however as this is season long game where your picking your riders for the year, some fair criteria for the races to be set on to allow you to bid for your riders is needed and unless they are a hc race they arent included. (Langkawi being a reason I picked up van rensburg)

Whereas in the road.cc game you have different riders for each race allowing us to pick races we deem to be strong and enetertaining
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on February 22, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
Andalucia was fun; but take either Contador or Froome out and suddenly the race isn't that strong (European .HC tend to have greater depth, Asian races basically pay to get upgraded and thus attract some PT teams).

Also, first stage win today courtesy of Brandle  :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on February 23, 2015, 12:52:49 AM
Just to add that my guys have been riding the wrong warm-up races which can be frustrating but ultimately this games is won or lost in the Grand Tour and World Tour events.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 23, 2015, 08:52:38 AM
Just to add that my guys have been riding the wrong warm-up races which can be frustrating but ultimately this games is won or lost in the Grand Tour and World Tour events.

No, I definitely understand we need to have a marker in the ground and how it is done now is as fair as possible. Just a shame when you have riders like Froome, Bertie, Kwiato, Thomas, Porte, Martin, Bardet, Benat, Lobato, Degenkolb etc etc in races that they are categorised below. The UCI needs to have a rethink on some races like these.

Glad about the GT thing, but not looking so great for Il Giro from Lampre's perspective!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on February 25, 2015, 04:57:12 PM
Classics season is upon us; we have a thread going in the races board.

Don't forget about the CQ ranking Classics game which yours truly suggested on the CN forums (i'm asdfgh101) a couple of years back (armchair cyclist was kind enough to run it).

Thread: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=26044

Also a tread at velorooms for those of you who are members there.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 25, 2015, 05:02:31 PM
Classics season is upon us; we have a thread going in the races board.

Don't forget about the CQ ranking Classics game which yours truly suggested on the CN forums (i'm asdfgh101) a couple of years back (armchair cyclist was kind enough to run it).

Thread: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=26044

Also a tread at velorooms for those of you who are members there.

I'm in via Velorooms. A very tricky pick for that.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on February 26, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
Hurrah, Craddock back on his road bike I gather after a couple of weeks of the turbo. Cast off his arm.

Now let's hope Denifl and Txurruka will follow.

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on March 12, 2015, 12:33:41 PM
Same here for Ludvigsson, back on light training.

Instead Barguil crashes today at PN :(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 12, 2015, 04:27:12 PM
Same here for Ludvigsson, back on light training.

Instead Barguil crashes today at PN :(

I'm already looking forward to next season, having a shocker with injuries and illness so far.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 12, 2015, 04:44:47 PM
Nice ride from Geraint today. Just need GVA to keep riding and Contador to have a decent season to be in with a shot.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 12, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Plus it's very very scary how good Cort Nielsen has been thus far :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 12, 2015, 06:25:58 PM
Plus it's very very scary how good Cort Nielsen has been thus far :doh:

Yep he looks a talent. You should be pleased too, a great climb by Wellens today.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 12, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Yep he looks a talent. You should be pleased too, a great climb by Wellens today.

That much was to be expected :P
But that Danish dude... hopefully another Sagan, not another Moser!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 14, 2015, 12:05:15 AM
In his age 20 season Sagan had 5 wins and 7 2nds @ WT and HC level. Right about now in 2010 he was enjoying his 'coming out party' at Paris-Nice. Cort is 22 and has shown glimmers of potential; let's not get carried away  :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 14, 2015, 07:24:42 AM
Yep, and Merckx won even more, what a loser :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 14, 2015, 06:42:24 PM
Another extremely poor showing from my overpaid crowd of hopeless riders. Well I picked the team with the intention of getting first neo draft pick next year. That's my story and I'm sticking to it  :bla:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on March 15, 2015, 04:47:54 AM
Ups, it seems like that I've forgot to pick Gallopin on PN. There goes my points?  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scrooll7 on March 15, 2015, 06:48:12 AM
Very good tour of Langkawi for my small team,Chirico(7th in GC) with 67pts.,Sutton with 10pts and Galviz also with 10pts.,that mean 87pts which is almost double more than the points I have
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 15, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
Betancur is looking cracking value.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 18, 2015, 07:00:15 AM
Yay! Have broken the 500 points barrier.

I feel like Jonathan Vaughters. So much promise from a young squad but...
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 18, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Guys, I need to leave the country tomorrow, can anybody else help Bryan/Teton smoothen his start?

Quote: "Can you give me a push, to get started. Where is the league scored, and how do I submit my team members for each race? Which races are included, and any helpful web sites."

Shoot him a PM if you have some free time?
Also, one day it would be nice to have an actual FAQ. Maybe somebody want to write a quick one even?
Either way, many thanks!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on March 18, 2015, 05:14:46 PM
Very good tour of Langkawi for my small team,Chirico(7th in GC) with 67pts.,Sutton with 10pts and Galviz also with 10pts.,that mean 87pts which is almost double more than the points I have

Yes you did very well :)

Look at Boeckmans :toast: two wins already :toast: but in 1.1 races :D :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 18, 2015, 05:52:30 PM
Guys, I need to leave the country tomorrow, can anybody else help Bryan/Teton smoothen his start?

Quote: "Can you give me a push, to get started. Where is the league scored, and how do I submit my team members for each race? Which races are included, and any helpful web sites."

Shoot him a PM if you have some free time?
Also, one day it would be nice to have an actual FAQ. Maybe somebody want to write a quick one even?
Either way, many thanks!

I'll help Tetan.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Teton on March 22, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
Enjoying the league. Lots to learn.

Just bought a new bike: Scott Solace 15 Disc. An endurance road bike with disc brakes. My fitting is Thursday. Can't wait.

Any of you guys ride? I would assume so.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 22, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Enjoying the league. Lots to learn.

Just bought a new bike: Scott Solace 15 Disc. An endurance road bike with disc brakes. My fitting is Thursday. Can't wait.

Any of you guys ride? I would assume so.

Nice. I just commute and ride with my kids. Go out with friends every so often.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 22, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
My season starts tomorrow, ahem.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: BluesBrothers on March 22, 2015, 09:35:08 PM
I only ride my bike in the city :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 23, 2015, 02:16:07 AM
Garfield definitely rides. One game of football (soccer) has me aching for days so i probably need to improve my fitness. Have thought about riding again but it's pretty dangerous where i'm from (Leeds, England).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 23, 2015, 05:16:31 AM
Any of you guys ride? I would assume so.

Yes sir, my commish contract forces me to pedal through 5000+ km each year ;)
But just like Ace says, I too find myself too old/lazy for that BooYah!  sometimes, so by now it's mostly the daily commute, weekly-or-so rides with a group we candidly call Nerds on Wheels, and then occasional trips to my beloved mountains. This summer I'd like to try out some touring too! You'll find me on Strava (Daniel Kazaniecki), plus:

Coolest places I cycled - http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog/burczymucha/2/tpod.html
Touring dream - https://www.warmshowers.org/node/61092

Ride on :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on March 23, 2015, 09:13:42 AM
Ofc Purito is out from VaC, just when he was finding the form  :soapbox:

I ride just about 1000-1500km per year with my Ridley. Cycling in midsummer here is cool when sun stays above the horizon all night, I've been few times cycling in Lapland when that happens and it's just too cool :D

(http://www.fubiz.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Finland-Midnight-Sun6.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 23, 2015, 12:09:57 PM
Oh, sounds sweeeeeet :beer:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: GTF on March 26, 2015, 06:25:14 PM
Froome is looking cracking value.






:rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 27, 2015, 08:08:16 AM
Froome is looking cracking value.

I know. Been a bit unlucky so far with injuries and illness affecting a large number of my squad.






:rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 28, 2015, 06:26:29 AM
Wow. Only 4 of my team have scored over 50 points in total so far, and only Cav over 100. 10 riders including Froomedog have yet to score.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

*Obviously they are all saving themselves for later in the season. I knew I was going to have a poor first half of the season, but not expecting it to be this bad. Roll on Tour of Norway!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 28, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
Cav might have 220 more in a few hours.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 29, 2015, 07:02:33 AM
Cav might have 220 more in a few hours.

No doubt. With TvA second and DvP third!

I took a long look at the teams in this game yesterday and it hasn't reached the point of no return yet. You have some big classics riders, my big guns are stage racers and sprinters so I still have a chance to do well overall.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 29, 2015, 12:13:32 PM
My man Frank came last today in the stage he won last year. Illness again.

:(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on March 29, 2015, 12:49:48 PM
Frank wasn't last, full results not in yet for that.

But at last some good luck for my team with Paolini winning
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 29, 2015, 02:30:37 PM
What a race!!! :disco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 29, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
What a race!!! :disco:

Absolute quality. You have to admire the riders massively on days like today. (Even more than usual). EQS really need to sort themselves out too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 29, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
Best GW that i've ever seen. RVV hasn't been the same since the route change for me but with this edition looking quite open hopefully it will be an exciting race.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on March 30, 2015, 07:13:46 AM
Looks like Astana are out, according to reports.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on March 30, 2015, 04:01:05 PM
Looks like Astana are out, according to reports.

If so you can bet it will drag on and they'll still likely ride all the big races either way.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on March 31, 2015, 01:34:42 AM
If so you can bet it will drag on and they'll still likely ride all the big races either way.

Hear hear!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scrooll7 on April 02, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Devolder with 130pts from De Panne,wow this is more than a half points I have(233)
This is more than all points he had last year also with Cancellara injury hope he will get the captain role in Trek and to bring me more points
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 02, 2015, 01:54:50 PM
Nice one scrooll7, must admit I'm getting bored of Kristoff winning now.

King Kung for me! And Vallee for a few too. They have both paid back already, unlike certain others in my team.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on April 02, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
Nice one scrooll7, must admit I'm getting bored of Kristoff winning now.

King Kung for me! And Vallee for a few too. They have both paid back already, unlike certain others in my team.

Bring on the boredom I say. Wishing I upped his contract to three years now though.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on April 02, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
Most of my cheap riders have done enough to justify themselves its my middle/expensive guys which have not

Vermote 50k
Boaro 40k
Rensburg 30k
Paolini 30k

have all well enough for there price

Gerrans
Moreno
Chaves
Albasini
Landa
Hutarovich
Vangenechten

Have all not done enough for what was paid

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 02, 2015, 03:51:21 PM
Have performed so far
Cavendish
Kung

Done ok
Meintjes
Vallee
Van Keirsbulck

Been crap
Everyone else.

It says something when my 2nd highest scorer (after De Panne, which is 18 races) is a $30k neo-pro on about 100 points. Bah humbug.

Change of strategy with my remaining money next year. Smaller squad, bigger bids.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 02, 2015, 10:20:15 PM
There's a long, long way to go; too early for me write off any of my guys yet or announce anyone as a resounding success. I'm probably going to need a decent lead after the Giro to retain my title so the next 10 days will be pretty important for me (3 pronged attack on the two cobbled monuments with Thomas, Stybar and Van Avermaet).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 03, 2015, 06:36:37 AM
The complete opposite of mine Ace. In theory I should be strong from the Dauphine onwards with some big riders in the Tour and Vuelta, and some younger riders with potential moving off domestique duties in the smaller stage races.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 05, 2015, 02:05:55 PM
Nice race! Obviously, I'll take 2nd and 5th gladly, hoping Wiggo, Demare, and Chavanel find better form soon :) Also, Kristoff could at least pretend to look somewhat tired after the race ;) Is PR his to lose?

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 05, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
Nice race! Obviously, I'll take 2nd and 5th gladly, hoping Wiggo, Demare, and Chavanel find better form soon :) Also, Kristoff could at least pretend to look somewhat tired after the race ;) Is PR his to lose?

Aye. He is as fat as me yet still gets incredible results. I think it's a case of watch this space.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on April 12, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
Its only 6 points, but my points for Skjerping don't seem to have gone on for schelderprijs
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 12, 2015, 12:29:30 PM
Its only 6 points, but my points for Skjerping don't seem to have gone on for schelderprijs

Done, the usual infamous space after name was the culprit!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 12, 2015, 01:48:33 PM
Hooray I'm last!

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on April 12, 2015, 02:33:30 PM
Hooray I'm last!

No worries, that happens quite a lot to those who invest heavily in big names. You might score 2000+ in July only :agent:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 12, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
No worries, that happens quite a lot to those who invest heavily in big names. You might score 2000+ in July only :agent:

True. But I think next auction I will add a proven classics guy or two to the mix to supplement my team of youngsters. Very interesting how it's all panning out so far but I guess some of the big names have had their major paydays already.

The balance of my team does lie far too much in the summer months for sure, although I think I've been a bit unlucky with injuries and illness to be fair with Froome, Cav, Van Asbroeck, Frank, Simon, Craddock, Denifl, Kolar, Txurruka and Manzin.

Still in with a shout of a top 5 potentially I think.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 12, 2015, 03:09:29 PM
Cracking game though. Love the format. I am hugely in for next year already.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 12, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
True. But I think next auction I will add a proven classics guy or two to the mix to supplement my team of youngsters.

You'd have to dump Froome to get anyone decent.

Not sure on my strategy yet; i like having classics guys but a 3 week layoff can ruin their season (Cancellara/Boonen).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 13, 2015, 07:11:09 PM
You'd have to dump Froome to get anyone decent.

Not sure on my strategy yet; i like having classics guys but a 3 week layoff can ruin their season (Cancellara/Boonen).
Maybe I'll just bag G or GvA
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 14, 2015, 01:52:03 PM
Maybe I'll just bag G or GvA

Hands off  :rofl:

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 15, 2015, 05:48:44 AM
It appears that my team are all off to Turkey on their holidays, 11 at the moment to whittle down. That's the first whittling for Lampre so far.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: LosBrolin on April 15, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
Watch out for Rebellin, pap is going to smoke them all at AGR!  :thumbsup: 5th today @ Brabantse Pijl

Actually one of my main goals seems to be AGR since I've Purito, Gallopin and da forefather.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 15, 2015, 09:01:19 PM
Roll on the end of the classics! Car crash stuff for Lampre.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 16, 2015, 03:19:13 AM
After a lacklustre RVV and PR (in my opinion at least) i actually think AG and LBL could be pretty good. FW is always entertaining for the last two minutes.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 16, 2015, 05:32:18 AM
Valgren is getting a chance as captain in Amstel, fingers crossed  :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 16, 2015, 10:13:16 AM
Hands off  :rofl:

Yes I may keep my hands off GVA. Ouch
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on April 19, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
Valgren is getting a chance as captain in Amstel, fingers crossed  :taco:

Not the result we hoped for :(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on April 20, 2015, 01:17:45 AM
Only one rider for Trentino (Hnik); might be slipping a few places before Giro.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 20, 2015, 04:21:38 AM
Only one rider for Trentino (Hnik); might be slipping a few places before Giro.

Phew!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 20, 2015, 04:35:39 AM
Looks like I've got 2nd pick on the neo pros sewn up for next year  :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 22, 2015, 04:55:48 AM
Froomedog has the chance to double his score today. Simply by finishing.  :doh:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Teton on April 22, 2015, 02:38:17 PM
Porte is having a good year  :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on April 23, 2015, 01:35:43 PM
Good is something of an understatement.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on April 30, 2015, 03:12:54 PM
Frankfurt cancelled tomorrow. News here.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/30/uk-germany-security-idUKKBN0NL0Y720150430

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on May 13, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
test
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Teton on May 22, 2015, 03:36:12 AM
Help... I cannot find any reference (Startlist) to the June 11  Aargau race. Is it known by another name .
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on May 22, 2015, 04:52:28 AM
Here you go
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=150484&c=3
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Teton on May 22, 2015, 12:13:20 PM
Thanks for the help, it was the race name that through me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on May 23, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
This Giro would have been epic with a deeper GC field and a couple more of the big boys.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on May 24, 2015, 02:42:31 PM
At least the slightly weaker field is working well for my team, with Viv doing well in the sprints and Landa and Trofimov on GC. Not to mention the decent first week Gerrans and Clarke gave me
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Teton on May 24, 2015, 08:33:36 PM
I wonder if Porte will drop?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 26, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
Landa and Trofimov on GC

OMG I sense a decent total score coming up :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on May 30, 2015, 12:40:18 PM
It was a close Giro, but I'd say after all Aru deserved that white jersey :rofl:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on May 31, 2015, 09:17:24 AM
Only a week to go until my season starts in earnest. :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on May 31, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
Post Giro Update by the numbers

Best Rider: Kristoff

Biggest Surprise: Landa

Best Young Rider: Alaphillipe

Biggest Disappointment: Kittel

Best Grand Tour Performance: Team Sky @ Il Giro (did Landa stay in a special caravan?)

Best Stage Race Performance: BMC @ Tirreno (lead by Uran)

Best One Day Performance: Lotto @ E3 (Thomas/Stybar 1-2)


Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 01, 2015, 04:12:40 AM
Breaking news: leaked photos of Landa's RV!

(http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g64/184264/184264_1340843429_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on June 01, 2015, 09:56:35 AM
That's going to be my RV if things don't start improving!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 03, 2015, 04:30:20 AM
It's gonna be a close race:
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&_ap=startlijst&editie_idd=MjY1MjI=
My money is on Machado.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on June 03, 2015, 08:35:13 AM
It's gonna be a close race:
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&_ap=startlijst&editie_idd=MjY1MjI=
My money is on Machado.


I'd go with Pellaud if I'd heard of him
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on June 03, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=150484&c=3

+ Pellaud

I have 33% of the field.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
Cracking swap by me with Gerdemann to Movistar a few months ago. Aaagh!

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on June 07, 2015, 12:02:20 PM
Cracking swap by me with Gerdemann to Movistar a few months ago. Aaagh!

Just came to post this. It is looking like the best bit of business I did. Wallays backed him up nicely in Luxembourg too.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 01:08:04 PM
Just came to post this. It is looking like the best bit of business I did. Wallays backed him up nicely in Luxembourg too.

Aaaagh. This has been a season of learning. Next year...

 :bla: :bla:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: scrooll7 on June 07, 2015, 01:11:52 PM
7th place for Bagot for me in Luxembourg,103pts total and that is my 3rd best race after De Panne and Giro
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on June 10, 2015, 02:02:47 PM
7th place for Bagot for me in Luxembourg,103pts total and that is my 3rd best race after De Panne and Giro

 :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Florry on June 15, 2015, 04:21:59 PM
7th place for Bagot for me in Luxembourg,103pts total and that is my 3rd best race after De Panne and Giro
Very nice result! :toast:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 06, 2015, 06:36:55 AM
Cycling fans are also soccer fans more often than not, so in case you like the English Premier League, check out my new baby:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=222135.0
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on July 06, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
Cycling fans are also soccer fans more often than not, so in case you like the English Premier League, check out my new baby:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=222135.0

Not for me, can't be arsed with football these days. Full of overpaid primadonnas.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 07, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
Meh, expected blood and tears today, got just some boring sweat... ;)

Worst news of the day? Transfer rumour: Kwiato might join Sky. That would be a heartbreak for every fan :(
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on July 07, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
Meh, expected blood and tears today, got just some boring sweat... ;)

Worst news of the day? Transfer rumour: Kwiato might join Sky. That would be a heartbreak for every fan :(

Alas I'm very pleased as the dawg got through the day. (No doubt that will put the mockers on him).
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on July 21, 2015, 11:33:59 AM
Just looking at my team it seems we have a name change issue. Pierre-Roger Latour is now plain old Pierre Latour and this has caused a scoring error. Much of a problem Garfield?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on July 21, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
Happy (rest) days!

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/07/news/brailsford-confirms-vuelta-on-froomes-radar_378901

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 22, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Just looking at my team it seems we have a name change issue. Pierre-Roger Latour is now plain old Pierre Latour and this has caused a scoring error. Much of a problem Garfield?

Ufff, tough! Could we see if at the end of the season you're really close to another team and then we add some points manually?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on July 23, 2015, 06:48:52 AM
Ufff, tough! Could we see if at the end of the season you're really close to another team and then we add some points manually?

I think there must be an error in Tom Van Asbroeck's name too as he only seems to have scored a handful of points despite me spending loads of money on him. Duh!
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on July 24, 2015, 05:57:29 PM
Ufff, tough! Could we see if at the end of the season you're really close to another team and then we add some points manually?

Thought it might be a pain in the arse. Your suggestion seems the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on July 24, 2015, 06:17:49 PM
Thought it might be a pain in the arse. Your suggestion seems the right thing to do.

As silly as it sounds, I'm thinking:
a) Note down points scored
b) Change name
c) Manually add a) in the overall table :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on July 30, 2015, 02:17:59 PM
A good few weeks for Lampre with the Dauphine, the Tour and a surprisingly nice tally of points in Wallonie. Now to keep this going!

Lotto takes a healthy lead into the last 3 months of the season...can he hold on? Contador has hung up his shoes until 2016, and Movistar and Omega Pharma are both looking strong.

Still all to play for and can foresee some changes at the top.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on August 02, 2015, 12:05:10 PM
Manzin off the mark with a point in Poland  :winner:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on August 04, 2015, 06:19:32 AM
As silly as it sounds, I'm thinking:
a) Note down points scored
b) Change name
c) Manually add a) in the overall table :thumbsup:

A late reply and I know you're away so you will be even later reading but an easier way has come up.

Step one - search the riders surname(Latour) on the results tab
Step two - Make sure the Forenames match my team. If not it's simple copy and paste of the correct one.

It worked for Austria and he'll only score in a couple more races this season anyway. 1 minute job.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on August 06, 2015, 09:09:41 PM
Are we still do auto scoring?

I forgot to put my riders in for burgos as im away on hol, will whoever my 4 highest scoring riders be score points as they would have last year?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on August 07, 2015, 11:33:50 AM
Are we still do auto scoring?

I forgot to put my riders in for burgos as im away on hol, will whoever my 4 highest scoring riders be score points as they would have last year?

A few of my races have been auto'd so you should be okay.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on August 13, 2015, 09:53:40 AM
Any of the leaders with a strong Vuelta team? :Lotto: probably won't score too highly.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: al_pacino on August 13, 2015, 12:24:13 PM
Valverde is my main hope.

I think I may have typed that before.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on August 14, 2015, 09:36:08 AM
Not really. Froome, Van Asbroeck, Danny van Poppel, Txurruka, Simon, Meintjes, Manzin and De Buyst so far.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on September 02, 2015, 02:02:03 PM
This going better than expected, another stage win this time from Landa, Moreno 4th and Chaves 8th, lying 7th and 5th on GC, all to play for
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on September 03, 2015, 07:01:52 AM
This going better than expected, another stage win this time from Landa, Moreno 4th and Chaves 8th, lying 7th and 5th on GC, all to play for

This is going worse than expected! Oh well, this was a season of learning for me.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on September 15, 2015, 07:56:29 PM
Three teams in with a chance of the overall after Cannondale made a massive move in La Vuelta courtesy of Aru.

Movistar has Kristoff and Valverde as their top two for the WCRR, Lotto has GVA and Stybar, Cannondale sends Alaphilippe and Slagter.
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 16, 2015, 02:38:19 AM
Three teams in with a chance of the overall after Cannondale made a massive move in La Vuelta courtesy of Aru.

This could go all the way to Lombardia :taco:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on September 16, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Quite happy to be 5th

Although had it been just GT's I think I would be top (even with a poorer than expected showing from Pinot)

The money spent on Gerrans and lack of points has cost me a potential shot at top 3, as for his price id have expected somewhere between 600-1000 points which would put me up close toor just above 8000. (Add to that Swifts early season injury)
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Joelsim on September 17, 2015, 10:02:35 AM
Roll on next season is what I say after a shambles of a year!

Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Ace on September 27, 2015, 10:37:55 PM
A decent WC week clinches it for Lotto i think.

Still don't like the 8 rider limit for WCRR, Alex Howes has resigned from my team after not being selected  :P
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on September 28, 2015, 02:48:44 AM
What an exciting race too, and such a deserving winner  :win:
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 13, 2015, 09:13:51 AM
Our ProConti colleagues definitely proved us wrong on some blatant omissions!  :winner: To name just two:

:Europcar: BOOKWALTER Brent - 575 points
:Euskaltel: GULDHAMMER Rasmus - 479 points
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2015, 11:20:15 AM
Just looking at my team it seems we have a name change issue. Pierre-Roger Latour is now plain old Pierre Latour and this has caused a scoring error. Much of a problem Garfield?

Solved by replacing another dude who scored you 0 points with a Latour clone. 20 points for you :judge:
Anybody with a similar issue?
Title: Re: Trash talking
Post by: joecool37 on October 15, 2015, 05:50:49 PM
Our ProConti colleagues definitely proved us wrong on some blatant omissions!  :winner: To name just two:

:Europcar: BOOKWALTER Brent - 575 points
:Euskaltel: GULDHAMMER Rasmus - 479 points


 :afro:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: BluesBrothers on October 17, 2015, 05:09:15 PM
I think it is time to congratulate someone Garfield turned 34 today :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on October 17, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
I think it is time to congratulate someone Garfield turned 34 today :toast:

HOPPY Birthday :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 18, 2015, 05:39:26 AM
Thanks guys! :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 19, 2015, 04:42:06 AM
Final standings, 7-10:
GARMIN SHARP   Teton   7092
TINKOFF SAXO   LostViking   7073
BMC RACING TEAM   Ghedebrav   7068
RADIOSHACK - NISSAN   Garfield   7065

 :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on October 23, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
Final standings, 7-10:
GARMIN SHARP   Teton   7092
TINKOFF SAXO   LostViking   7073
BMC RACING TEAM   Ghedebrav   7068
RADIOSHACK - NISSAN   Garfield   7065

 :rofl:

Marginal gains...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 23, 2015, 04:31:50 PM
Marginal gains...

 :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: joecool37 on October 30, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
I have two quick questions relating our schedule as I haven´t seen any informations about it yet (maybe I just haven´t seen it):

1. When is the neo pro draft starting?
2. When is the auctions for the cyclists starting?


Hope someone can help me out so I am not missing anything ^^
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: scrooll7 on October 30, 2015, 09:14:45 AM
I have two quick questions relating our schedule as I haven´t seen any informations about it yet (maybe I just haven´t seen it):

1. When is the neo pro draft starting?
2. When is the auctions for the cyclists starting?


Hope someone can help me out so I am not missing anything ^^
I think both start on 1st November
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 30, 2015, 10:40:28 AM
Indeed! We could actually start tonight if some of you guys have more time during the weekend... Thoughts?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on October 30, 2015, 11:23:00 AM
The sooner the better!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on October 30, 2015, 01:57:55 PM
Let's go!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 30, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
In retrospect, I don't want to get murdered by somebody who left for a long weekend thinking we wouldn't start without him. Patience :P
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 31, 2015, 06:22:00 AM
Argh, 24 more hours
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on October 31, 2015, 04:48:44 PM
I made a mistake.
I have bid on a rider I don't want ...
Just bad luck, or can you undo the bid?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on October 31, 2015, 08:20:02 PM
bad luck Davy
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 01, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Wow. I had 5 riders earmarked for the neo draft and they've all gone in the first 6 picks!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 01, 2015, 09:43:42 AM
Same here!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 01, 2015, 10:07:29 AM
Same goes here, 1 hasn't gone but no doubt he will before it reaches me.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 01, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
If you think about it, that's an excellent sign - together with everybody's astronomical activity in auctions. It means more excellent directeurs sportifs, which means more activity and more competition, which in turn means more satisfaction if you do manage to fish out a nice contract or two. At this point I know my limited knowledge won't allow anything more than mid-table, but finding another Benoot would be a personal success :)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 01, 2015, 10:33:33 AM
There are still a couple of decent neo's at pro conti teams, the only downside to that is how much will they race in races we cover in the 1st year.
But totally agree, its gonna be a competitive year, not got much in terms of budget myslef, but greatfull to have Chaves, Pinot, Dennis and Viviani already
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 01, 2015, 10:36:13 AM
I'd give my left arm for another Benoot!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 01, 2015, 03:47:53 PM
I have a watchlist, but my top ones are all gone. Not that surprising really. Sam Ooman was a new one on me, though.

I got lucky (as it were) with Adam Yates a couple of years ago; I can't see that happening this year!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 02, 2015, 04:02:11 AM
I feel so guilty bidding up against Zelen Burgas, I don't want to disappoint a fellow Alberto fan :doh:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 02, 2015, 04:43:07 AM
I feel so guilty I probably failed to explain the rules to you. Maybe you should read them again? 2.2M bid is slightly weird. 2.4M is strictly silly. Instead of paying him exorbitant 1.2+1.2, it's much cheaper to bid 3M, pay 1+1+1, and drop him for free in case he starts fossilizing.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 02, 2015, 05:00:39 AM
I feel so guilty bidding up against Zelen Burgas, I don't want to disappoint a fellow Alberto fan :doh:
don't want to disappoint you too but Alberto will love to ride for the newbies from Novo Nordisk :win:
I hate maths and should see if my wage budget would be enough but maybe will leave some riders to other teams
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 02, 2015, 06:03:31 AM
I hate maths and should see if my wage budget would be enough

Well, I'm afraid once you start playing salary-based fantasy games, hating maths is out of the window. You MUST know your exact spendings at all times.

Also, this is not cool:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=242473.msg1084276#msg1084276
I'll let it slide for the last time, but we do not edit posts in Transactions.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 02, 2015, 06:19:06 AM
don't want to disappoint you too but Alberto will love to ride for the newbies from Novo Nordisk :win:
I hate maths and should see if my wage budget would be enough but maybe will leave some riders to other teams
Well I am sure Alberto would prefer to ride for his Carrot friends of Euskaltel :judge:
This could get messy :rool:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 02, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
Well, I'm afraid once you start playing salary-based fantasy games, hating maths is out of the window. You MUST know your exact spendings at all times.

Also, this is not cool:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=242473.msg1084276#msg1084276
I'll let it slide for the last time, but we do not edit posts in Transactions.
So what do you do if you miss a page and post an invalid bid? (Which is what happened in this case)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 02, 2015, 06:28:50 AM
So what do you do if you miss a page and post an invalid bid? (Which is what happened in this case)

You post again.
Also, no bid is invalid per se, as they get bumped to the correct value automatically.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2015, 07:01:22 AM
The key points to remember are:

1) Once a bid is in, it is in and formal. This can't be changed.
2) You can never go over your wage budget of $5m in the bidding (even though you know you are likely to get outbid on some of your bids). It is important to keep an eye on costs ie a little spreadsheet with all your current bids.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2015, 02:09:24 PM
You post again.
Also, no bid is invalid per se, as they get bumped to the correct value automatically.

This particular bid was invalid Garfield as it was put in for 1.74m or something like that, after the poster only looked at the first page of the thread by mistake.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 02, 2015, 02:23:36 PM
yeah really sorry,didn't saw the next page with bids where already was 3m bid so my 1.7 bid was invalid
as for my wage,everything is under control,Conta won't ride for Novo so there will be enough budget
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 02, 2015, 04:02:17 PM
Won my first auction :win: Jempy for 290k per season, what a steal :judge: Welcome to Euskaltel :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2015, 04:05:35 PM
Won my first auction :win: Jempy for 290k per season, what a steal :judge: Welcome to Euskaltel :toast:

Well done Fleur  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 02, 2015, 06:25:51 PM
This particular bid was invalid Garfield as it was put in for 1.74m or something like that, after the poster only looked at the first page of the thread by mistake.

That's not invalid. No bid is invalid. The amount just gets corrected automatically. That's why you just immediately post again explaining that you did something wrong unintentionally. I will agree 99% of the cases, and as a final effect merely the timer gets messed up.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2015, 06:49:58 PM
That's not invalid. No bid is invalid. The amount just gets corrected automatically. That's why you just immediately post again explaining that you did something wrong unintentionally. I will agree 99% of the cases, and as a final effect merely the timer gets messed up.

So, the watchword needs to be 'careful' everyone.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 03, 2015, 07:44:06 AM
Won my first auction :win: Jempy for 290k per season, what a steal :judge: Welcome to Euskaltel :toast:
gratz,first one for me also,the next spring classic legend Edward Theuns is my first rider
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 03, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
Actually someone put Eddy to my team by mistake  :winner:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 03, 2015, 12:24:14 PM
My fault.
I'm sorry!
the avatar Team jerseys of FDJ and Novonordisk are so lookalike ...
I've send Eddy to his real home ...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 03, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
I think we will start with two teams down as MTN and IAM managers didn't log in from a long time,21 and 14 october was the last time they do it so maybe could skip them for the draft
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 03, 2015, 05:16:06 PM
I think we will start with two teams down as MTN and IAM managers didn't log in from a long time,21 and 14 october was the last time they do it so maybe could skip them for the draft

If our IAM colleague doesn't end up joining, would I be allowed to switch 'brands' from BMC to IAM? I mean keep all of my riders (not that anyone's letting me win an auction at the moment  >:( ) but change the name.

It's purely cosmetic, I'm just not particularly a fan of BMC.  :o

EDIT: if it's a massive ball-ache to do don't worry about it.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2015, 05:32:18 PM
I had 4 up to finish today. And got none of them. At this rate the teams are all going to have about 10 riders each.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 03, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Same here ... Very difficult to win an auction.
Thank you guys that you let me 2 "fillers", so my page isn't empty anymore.
Woehoe!

Stig Broeckx is a Flemish talent who will certainly do better than last year.
Jesse Sergent hopes he doesn't get ran over by a shimano-car this year.
They are happy they signed the coolest team in te world, and are ready to score big points  :koolaid:
Neo-pro Erik Baska chose with his heart, and chose Vlaanderen-Team.
Stig, Erik and Jesse are very curious who will be there teammates. 27 places left.
Cowabunga!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 03, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
I think we will start with two teams down as MTN and IAM managers didn't log in from a long time,21 and 14 october was the last time they do it so maybe could skip them for the draft

Well spotted, thanks! Indeed we can forget these two.


It's purely cosmetic, I'm just not particularly a fan of BMC.  :o

Could be done. If I was to complain, I'd say it would be optimal if some :BMC: fan out there jumped over, so that we don't just kick out a major team like this, the TTT WC winning squad no less.

Also, from the above it seems similar maneuver could take place with :MTN:, I know there are a million fans out there :thumbsup:


I had 4 up to finish today. And got none of them. At this rate the teams are all going to have about 10 riders each.

I assure you we all have 4 to finish today, 6 to finish tomorrow, and 5 more the day after. It just has to be competitive like this with 20 active people. I'm lovin' it :taco:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: scrooll7 on November 04, 2015, 01:34:24 AM
Well spotted, thanks! Indeed we can forget these two.


Could be done. If I was to complain, I'd say it would be optimal if some :BMC: fan out there jumped over, so that we don't just kick out a major team like this, the TTT WC winning squad no less.

Also, from the above it seems similar maneuver could take place with :MTN:, I know there are a million fans out there :thumbsup:


I assure you we all have 4 to finish today, 6 to finish tomorrow, and 5 more the day after. It just has to be competitive like this with 20 active people. I'm lovin' it :taco:
well,I will like to change my team to any active real life team so maybe Vacansoleil to be the new MTN?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 04, 2015, 02:16:49 AM
I will do well to get above 15 riders I think

Currently on 8 with 220k left
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 04, 2015, 04:53:09 AM
Well spotted, thanks! Indeed we can forget these two.


Could be done. If I was to complain, I'd say it would be optimal if some :BMC: fan out there jumped over, so that we don't just kick out a major team like this, the TTT WC winning squad no less.

Also, from the above it seems similar maneuver could take place with :MTN:, I know there are a million fans out there :thumbsup:


I assure you we all have 4 to finish today, 6 to finish tomorrow, and 5 more the day after. It just has to be competitive like this with 20 active people. I'm lovin' it :taco:

OK - well if anyone fancies taking on the BMC name, please say so!

With IAM, I just think they have the smartest kit in the peloton (maybe with Lotto Soudal).
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 04, 2015, 04:58:34 AM
I will do well to get above 15 riders I think

Currently on 8 with 220k left

Some big prices going around; a scramble to get likely high scorers. A nice field study of behavioural economics - I suspect Garfield may actually be running this league as part of a PhD project.

The big winners will be those clever/lucky enough to get some big scorers among their 30-80k squad riders (and anyone who still has a a lot of riders on contract from last season, as they would likely have been more expensive this season).
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 04, 2015, 05:48:44 AM
I had 4 up to finish today. And got none of them. At this rate the teams are all going to have about 10 riders each.
I had 4 set to finish this morning, 2 at 9:30 and 2 at 10:30. Overnight I lost the 2 at 9:30 but I did win the other two.

Welcome to Euskaltel, Manuele and Alberto :win:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 04, 2015, 06:02:44 AM
It's clear ... People in Western Europe have to work longer ...
Poor old Alberto ... 3 more years of hard work  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2015, 06:38:46 AM
What should I say then, 4 minutes away from my first signing? :rool:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=242482.0
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 04, 2015, 07:47:17 AM
Riddle of the day: whose wiki page is that? :DL: :DL: :DL: :DL: :DL:

2015 season

XYZ had an unlucky start to the season, as he broke his collarbone in January while he was training for the Tour Down Under. His first race back was the Strade Bianche, but he fractured his elbow in another crash during the Italian event. He was looking for a result as he came back to racing, but his bad luck continued as he crashed twice in Liège–Bastogne–Liège and abandoned. However, he did not sustain any serious injuries in the latter crashes. He participated to the Giro d'Italia and crashed again on the rainy twelfth stage, forcing him to abandon. In the Tour de France, XYZ was involved in a massive, high-speed crash on stage 3 and he had to quit the race due to a broken wrist.


Ouch. I'd probably never leave home again after a year like this. And watch out for banana skins. Not to mention bikes...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 04, 2015, 07:58:17 AM
Gerrans!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 04, 2015, 08:01:25 AM
Gerrans!
Yep definitely Gerro
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 04, 2015, 09:24:59 AM
pretty similar story for XXX
He fell in E3-Harelbeke and broke 2 vertebrals (right translated?)
Worked very hard to come back and was just in time to start the tour de france. But he broke again some vertebrals in a crash.
Again he fought back and could start in vuelta to set him ready for WC, but he gave up with stomach infection.

Same aging symptoms as Gerrans ...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 04, 2015, 09:28:17 AM
Vertebrae.

And I know who but someone else can have a chance.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 04, 2015, 09:54:13 AM
Wohoo, first rider drafted. Welcome Delio Fernández, former loyal wingman of Gustavo Veloso and part of the THERMONUCLEAR level climbing group in this years Volta a Portugal  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 04, 2015, 11:46:48 AM
There was a reason I dropped Gerrans!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 04, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
pretty similar story for XXX
He fell in E3-Harelbeke and broke 2 vertebrals (right translated?)
Worked very hard to come back and was just in time to start the tour de france. But he broke again some vertebrals in a crash.
Again he fought back and could start in vuelta to set him ready for WC, but he gave up with stomach infection.

Same aging symptoms as Gerrans ...

I believe that is our friend Fabian Cancellara.   :toth:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 04, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
...and I am delighted to welcome the in-no-way-overpriced Ilnur Zakarin to my squad! I'm expecting big things for that salary...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 04, 2015, 03:35:33 PM
Next rider to join the Basques is Peter Kennaugh who is really handsome but unfortunately also dumber than a brick :toast: oh, and he is a pretty decent bike rider too :rool:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 04, 2015, 07:57:28 PM
Next rider to join the Basques is Peter Kennaugh who is really handsome but unfortunately also dumber than a brick :toast: oh, and he is a pretty decent bike rider too :rool:

That must be the first thing nice you've ever said about someone from Sky  :judge:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2015, 03:19:24 AM
Sorry Joe, last time I got overbid with 4 minutes left, so your 5 won't impress anyone :rool:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=242451



I believe that is our friend Fabian Cancellara.   :toth:

Yep! Which makes it maybe the best contract I've ever signed?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 05, 2015, 04:32:49 AM




Yep! Which makes it maybe the best contract I've ever signed?

Maybe if he's allowed to ride an e-bike.  :P
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2015, 04:36:30 AM
Big news:



Maybe if he's allowed to ride an e-bike.  :P

I thought that's been the case for a while ;)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 07:48:54 AM
It's with great pleasure that team Lampre-Merida announce the following riders have signed on.

Carlos Betancur
Jonas Van Genechten
Jakub Mareczko
Jan Hirt
Zico Waeytens

Betancur has the option of a second season with the team if he can lay off the pies and apply himself.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 05, 2015, 09:22:13 AM
Craddock Lawson or Lawson Craddock (whichever you prefer) joins Euskaltel for 2016 :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Fernandez Andujar Ruben or Andujar Ruben Fernandez or Ruben Fernandez Andujar joins team Lampre-Merida.

There are more permutations too but I can't be bothered to list them.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 05, 2015, 10:01:29 AM
FDJ welcomes D-level sprinter Vigano and somewhat fast, although still young French Rudy Barbier (prolly horrible calender tho), both signed without any competition :shocker:

e. and I hope nice season for Rusty Woods  :win:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 02:03:54 PM
Joecool has just purchased a couple of biggies and looks to be spending his budget for this year and next year in a quite settled way. Matthews IMO is a big one.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 05, 2015, 02:17:55 PM
I think Cannondale look strong
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on November 05, 2015, 02:31:05 PM
I've spent a tad/far too much(delete as applicable) on Kittel. He might win every sprint he takes part in next season though.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
I've spent a tad/far too much(delete as applicable) on Kittel. He might win every sprint he takes part in next season though.

Unless Gaviria overtakes him after the leadout
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 03:11:51 PM
I'm rather hoping Bananito steps up to the plate this year.

Not the plate of cakes either.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 05, 2015, 04:56:13 PM
I'm rather hoping Bananito steps up to the plate this year.

Not the plate of cakes either.

Arf!

Word round the campfire is that he's battled a lot of personal demons this year and dealt with serious but unspecified family issues. All joking aside I like Betancur a lot and hope he does get going again. I imagine a Spanish speaking team will be a better environment too (as long as he stays away from the churros).
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 05, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Joecool has just purchased a couple of biggies and looks to be spending his budget for this year and next year in a quite settled way. Matthews IMO is a big one.


Yeah, was tempted by Bling but in the end stuck with GVA as my marquee signing this season.

Not sure Orica will approach this season; they seem to be bulikng up their climbing talent to support the Yateses.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 05:07:08 PM


Yeah, was tempted by Bling but in the end stuck with GVA as my marquee signing this season.

Not sure Orica will approach this season; they seem to be bulikng up their climbing talent to support the Yateses.

Matthews will get free rein in some Classics I suspect, then the GTs will be the Yates brothers and Chaves, supported by Power, Amets etc
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 05, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
Matthews will get free rein in some Classics I suspect, then the GTs will be the Yates brothers and Chaves, supported by Power, Amets etc
I desperately wanted Power in the draft, but only really so I could use this:

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
I desperately wanted Power in the draft, but only really so I could use this:

He was in my top 3 too. Along with Gaviria and Muhlberger.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 05, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
I've spent a tad/far too much(delete as applicable) on Kittel. He might win every sprint he takes part in next season though.
I think he did that this year too :o

By the way thanks for taking Izagirre off me, I had not really watched my budget carefully and found out I had 8 riders signed and winning bid on 7 riders, and only 400k left :doh:

I am worried I made a mistake taking over Demare from Garfield, think I could have gotten him for less in an auction :doh: oh well rookie error
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 05, 2015, 05:31:12 PM
He was in my top 3 too. Along with Gaviria and Muhlberger.
My list was Gaviria, Hoelgaard, Power, Petilli and Muhlberger
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2015, 05:37:28 PM
And I got Martin!

And ANO.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 05, 2015, 06:16:27 PM
I think he did that this year too :o

By the way thanks for taking Izagirre off me, I had not really watched my budget carefully and found out I had 8 riders signed and winning bid on 7 riders, and only 400k left :doh:

I am worried I made a mistake taking over Demare from Garfield, think I could have gotten him for less in an auction :doh: oh well rookie error

He could do ok, his transposing into a classics-rider has taken his time last year but he still looks good to me :rool:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 05, 2015, 10:12:26 PM
I think Katusha must be able to do better this season. Kept Bouhanni and EBH and already got Porte. I also have high hopes on De Bie, Fraile, Konrad, Zabel and Zoidl.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: BluesBrothers on November 06, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
Team Argos has signed Valverde, Gerrans, Cummings, Hutarovich, Fonseca, Acevedo, Mamykin, Pettilli and form the real team T. Ludvigsson. Its a bit risky with Valverde and Gerrans who both might quit at the end of the year, but i am pleased with the signings :thumbsup:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: scrooll7 on November 06, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Well,my team definitely will be better than last year:leaders will be Gilbert and Bardet which last year scored almost 2k points,co-leaders should be Visconti,Arndt and Atapuma who had scored 200+ points each but also will hope for solid performance from riders like Norris,Barbero,Maes,Chirico and maybe Dani Diaz who will ride in Europe next season
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 11:03:29 AM
Well,my team definitely will be better than last year:leaders will be Gilbert and Bardet which last year scored almost 2k points,co-leaders should be Visconti,Arndt and Atapuma who had scored 200+ points each but also will hope for solid performance from riders like Norris,Barbero,Maes,Chirico and maybe Dani Diaz who will ride in Europe next season

Diaz will face a more robust doping testing program this year  :bla: :bla:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 06, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
Quote
Yeah, was tempted by Bling but in the end stuck with GVA as my marquee signing this season.

My hart is still bleeding you overbid me on GVA!!! :-)
Anyway I wish him a big classic victory!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 06, 2015, 11:17:36 AM
I will almost certainly do worse this season for the simple reason that I don't have a 30k Adam Yates points machine.

But given I've got a new sponsor, it's fair to call this a 'transition season' now...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 06, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
My hart is still bleeding you overbid me on GVA!!! :-)
Anyway I wish him a big classic victory!

Yeah, it was him or Kittel, and I went GVA simply because he's such a consistent high finisher, even if he doesn't win as much as we'd like.

I'd love to see him win Flanders this season.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Betancur's new role at Movistar.

(http://www.jessicagavin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/close-up-profiterole-presentation.jpg)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 06, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Can we already see somewhere what the teams in 2016 will look like?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 06, 2015, 12:59:24 PM
New signings for Euskaltel: Tosh van der Sande, Gianni Meersman and Kristian Sbaragli. :win:

Gaviria, Drucker, Demare, Van der Sande, Meersman, Sbaragli, too many sprinter types? Surely not :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 06, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
Can we already see somewhere what the teams in 2016 will look like?
A link to the 2016 spreadsheet is at the top of the page above the team shirt icons. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 06, 2015, 01:02:28 PM
Just got it... But thanks   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2015, 02:32:49 PM
Squad is coming together, think it will be around 22 riders
still to pick up another neo, and my first choice is still available

From last year I retained Pinot and Chaves for GC, Viviani for the sprints, Swift and Albasini for allround, as well Dennis for who knows, TT, GC? Also have Skjerping who I wish had been my 2nd neo last year as Buchmann did far better.

Ive added to that Haig as my 1st neo who i expect decent things from, especially as Orica like the youngesters to express themselves, maybe a debut at TDU?

I have a better outlook for the cobbles, hopefully Boonen can deliver, will he be a bargain at 210k for 2 years? Flanked by Golas
Dan Martin can maybe go for GC, but surely will get stage wins and decent one day placing, and Rolland for GC.
Guardini adds to my sprint line up, to with Viv
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 06, 2015, 02:41:04 PM
Quote
Dan Martin can maybe go for GC, but surely will get stage wins and decent one day placing

If he doesn't fall off his bike in the last corner ...  :rofl:
(http://sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.1952302!image/867848732.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape670/867848732.jpg)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on November 06, 2015, 02:42:41 PM
If he doesn't fall off his bike in the last corner ...  :rofl:
(http://sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.1952302!image/867848732.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape670/867848732.jpg)

I felt his pain... I had him last year!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
I believe his move to a new team will breed new life Davy
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 06, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
Invest in a good tyre sponsor ...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
Martin at that price could well be one of the season's bargains. He is good in the Classics and he faces little opposition for a spot on a couple of GTs.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 03:06:24 PM
Well I did pretty well in most stage races last year and absolutely awfully in the one day races. I also didn't have much money to spend. So I wanted to get a couple of riders for the Classics and ended up with Bananito (which could be a disaster or a bargain), Paterski (as he was decent last year and relatively inexpensive) and Waeytens (hopefully will have more of a free role now Kittel has gone).

Hirt looked an impressive and underrated climber last year too so took a punt on him, same with Ruben Fernandez. Mareczko is very fast and hoping he continues his evolution. Van Genechten is a bit of a punt but hopefully he won't act as lead-out in every race for Pelucchi this year and will get his own chances.

And with a bit of luck Froome and Cav stay injury free, and Valgren, Dillier, Kung get some chances. Finally Meintjes looked to be growing nicely last year, Sepulveda is a good climber and Caruso isn't too bad for the Giro top 10. Formolo I hope for more than last year.

And my neos, Martin is current U23 LBL champion and Contreras has bags of Colombian potential as a climber.

Phew.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 06, 2015, 03:10:56 PM
Holy crap,I'm the most stupid guy in the world :doh: :doh: :doh:
Somehow I though I have 3M budget limit and calculate all my bids to fit in this 3M and ofc lose a lot of good riders :doh: :doh:
at least should have enough money for Domoulin...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 03:14:36 PM
Holy crap,I'm the most stupid guy in the world :doh: :doh: :doh:
Somehow I though I have 3M budget limit and calculate all my bids to fit in this 3M and ofc lose a lot of good riders :doh: :doh:
at least should have enough money for Domoulin...

Didn't you look at the spreadsheet total on your teampage?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0SOLrswTiG7pjiEkLXtdzj5MpknRSvDgXhUx60pjnc/edit#gid=1401493890
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 06, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Didn't you look at the spreadsheet total on your teampage?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0SOLrswTiG7pjiEkLXtdzj5MpknRSvDgXhUx60pjnc/edit#gid=1401493890
many times and still thinking my budget is 3m
sorry guys but will mess a little you plans
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
many times and still thinking my budget is 3m
sorry guys but will mess a little you plans

Not at all. You have loads to spend now.

You missed out on Tommy V just now though

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5b/81/26/5b81264405adef754fa96770345234b8.jpg)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Zelen Burgas on November 06, 2015, 03:46:18 PM
And I was thinking how the other are making such a good teams
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 06, 2015, 06:57:18 PM
Holy crap,I'm the most stupid guy in the world :doh: :doh: :doh:
Somehow I though I have 3M budget limit and calculate all my bids to fit in this 3M and ofc lose a lot of good riders :doh: :doh:
at least should have enough money for Domoulin...
Oh no! :doh: well on the bright side at least you found out while there are still some good riders left on the market :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 07, 2015, 04:39:33 AM
Here's almost full FDJ with a more graphic version  :toth: Only three riders missing from this class photo!

(http://i.imgur.com/LuwNzy1.jpg)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2015, 04:51:35 AM
Here's almost full FDJ with a more graphic version

Beautiful!!! Are you preparing those for all of us? ;)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 07, 2015, 05:15:49 AM
Beautiful!!! Are you preparing those for all of us? ;)

Hehee, we'll see  :P
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 07, 2015, 08:11:13 AM
BMC welcomes Lopez Moreno to the roster.  :judge:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2015, 08:17:25 AM
BMC welcomes Lopez Moreno to the roster.  :judge:

Remember our deal :beer:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 07, 2015, 08:24:25 AM
Remember our deal :beer:

Yes, if he does.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 07, 2015, 03:37:12 PM
BMC are pleased to announce signings of the following 'super' riders.

Alexis Gougeard
Nicolas Marini
Rodrigo Contreras
Rein Taaramae
Julien Bernard
Miguel Angel Lopez
Maciek Paterski


Sadly, Mark Cavendish has chosen to ride for Topsport Vlaanderen this season.

 :beer:

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 07, 2015, 03:43:43 PM
Today Diego Rosa, Valerio Conti, Nicola Ruffoni and Vegard Laengen signed with team Euskaltel.

So far we have 15 riders confirmed for next season:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/23h2l93.png)
First row (left to right): Gaviria, Drucker, Contador, Demare, Rosa
Second row: Boaro, Kennaugh, Craddock, Van der Sande, Meersman
Third row: Laengen, Ruffoni, Sbaragli, Conti, Walscheid

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 07, 2015, 03:51:22 PM
Nice team so far Florry...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 08, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Euskaltel welcomes The Cat for the next 2 seasons :win:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2015, 11:29:04 AM
Euskaltel welcomes The Cat for the next 2 seasons :win:

Better hope Bananito doesn't eat him, he likes Gateaux.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 08, 2015, 11:54:21 AM
Better hope Bananito doesn't eat him, he likes Gateaux.
:rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: scrooll7 on November 09, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
I'm missing Jay McCarthy in my team,won on 6th Nov 21:20   :judge:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 09, 2015, 09:10:53 AM
Young Italian climbers Villella and Zilioli signed to complement Euskaltel's array of sprinters. Is it possible to have too many Italians on your team? 8 and counting :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 09, 2015, 09:45:46 AM
Young Italian climbers Villella and Zilioli signed to complement Euskaltel's array of sprinters. Is it possible to have too many Italians on your team? 8 and counting :toast:

Just 4 for me. And only 2 1/2 sprinters in total. I had 10 last year :O

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 09, 2015, 10:53:33 AM
Should I be worried that I've spent a lot of money contracting a young Russian rider who rode surprisingly well for his Russian team (which won an unexpectedly high number of races last season)?

 :o
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 09, 2015, 11:06:50 AM
Young Italian climbers Villella and Zilioli signed to complement Euskaltel's array of sprinters. Is it possible to have too many Italians on your team? 8 and counting :toast:

I've just got two, and one of them is a neo-pro. Mind you, I count (I think!) 14 different nationalities on my team, albeit with no actual Swiss riders (given I manage IAM, a bit remiss of me), nor any fellow Brits. The Belgians form the biggest clique on my team, numbering five. I think they're all Flemings too, so they can linguistically buddy up with my three Dutchmen.  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 09, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
I've got 16 different nationalities and 1 to come. I had 3 Austrian riders (Not surprisingly if you name is a former Austrian rider) but I've just traded one.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 09, 2015, 11:54:45 AM
I have 18 riders signed and 10 different nationalities - so I just have an outrageous number of Italians :bacon:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 09, 2015, 12:14:52 PM
Should I be worried that I've spent a lot of money contracting a young Russian rider who rode surprisingly well for his Russian team (which won an unexpectedly high number of races last season)?

 :o

If you are talking about Zakarin, then yes, I'd put my house and your house on it.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 09, 2015, 12:22:43 PM
If you are talking about Zakarin, then yes, I'd put my house and your house on it.

Not like he has a history of doping or anything.

*checks internet*

Oh.  :doh:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 11, 2015, 07:04:26 AM
4 more riders:
Raymond Kreder
Bruno Pires
David de la Cruz
Daniele Ratto

23 riders now, I'd like at least 2 or 3 more before the start of the season.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 13, 2015, 05:59:46 AM
Another 4 riders signed yesterday evening and this morning :taco::
Alberto Bettiol
Lluis Mas (who wasn't very popular judging from the views and replies, he'll prove y'all wrong!!)
Big Björn Thurau
Oliver Zaugg

27 riders, very little scoring potential in the cobbled classics though so I'll attempt to score a small name classics rider for the little $$$ I have left :bla:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 13, 2015, 01:03:05 PM
Hmm, I'm feeling a little short on numbers compared to you rabble. Just 24, which is 23 if you don't include the legend that isn't Carlos Betancur.

Can't help feeling I need a few to step up to the mark to be in with a shout of a good season, although it will be difficult to do worse in one-day races than I did last year.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 13, 2015, 01:23:59 PM
Im only going to have 24 riders too, but it can go both ways, its not all about numbers.

And just based on past rider performance, I think florry paid a combined 470k for those last 8 riders, which is all well and good, but a good season for Boonen for me, a few top 3's in classics and he could easily outscore the combined total of those 8 riders, and was half the price of those. So numbers may not be everything, so long as you have 20+ riders on your roster
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 13, 2015, 01:51:03 PM
Im only going to have 24 riders too, but it can go both ways, its not all about numbers.

And just based on past rider performance, I think florry paid a combined 470k for those last 8 riders, which is all well and good, but a good season for Boonen for me, a few top 3's in classics and he could easily outscore the combined total of those 8 riders, and was half the price of those. So numbers may not be everything, so long as you have 20+ riders on your roster

True Tom.

I need this to happen.

Froome - not get ill or injured
Lopez Moreno - to show just how good he is/will be
Formolo - to grow
Valgren - to be given the chances he deserves (Sagan in team not good for him)
Carlos - to ride his bike instead of eating McDonalds
Gougeard - to continue his growth
Taaramae - to pick up where he left off in 2015
Fernandez - to show some Avenir form
Caruso - to get a top 10 Giro plus some other chances in smaller stage races
Meintjes - continue 2015 progression
Dillier - to be given some chances
Sepulveda - not to get into an AG2R car mid race
Paterski - classics like 2015
Van Genechten - not to be lead-out in many races
Le Bon - grow and show
Mareczko - could be excellent
Waeytens - chances with no Kittel
Hirt - continue a good 2015
Zardini - get back to 2014 form +
Bernard - grow on a good 2015 start
Marini - is fast, a year under his belt should help
Martin - a couple of good performances to go with U23 LBL please
Kung - just do it
Contreras - come on boy


Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 13, 2015, 03:25:16 PM
Im only going to have 24 riders too, but it can go both ways, its not all about numbers.

And just based on past rider performance, I think florry paid a combined 470k for those last 8 riders, which is all well and good, but a good season for Boonen for me, a few top 3's in classics and he could easily outscore the combined total of those 8 riders, and was half the price of those. So numbers may not be everything, so long as you have 20+ riders on your roster
But with more riders at a cheaper cost, risk/reward ratio is lower. :toast: Each of those 8 riders could very well score 100 or even 200 points next year, and while Boonen could beat that, he could also have a bad season. :judge: It is very unlikely all 8 of my riders will have a bad season but you can never be sure :rool:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 13, 2015, 03:27:17 PM
Anyway I am very happy with my team, plenty of my personal favorites too :win: I am sure I won't be contending for the win but it will be fun to cheer for these guys :toast: am hoping for a top-10 finish :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 19, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
Sorry if I've missed this elsewhere, but are we doing contract extensions this year? I've a bit spare and would like to give one of my guys an extra year.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 25, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
Ouch - bad news for Robert Power: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/11/powers-pro-debut-in-january-on-hold-after-diagnosis-of-bone-condition/
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 25, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
Horrible news. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 25, 2015, 10:17:33 AM
It means that none of my neo picks will ride this season...  :bla: :bla: :bla:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2015, 11:20:21 AM
I saw that this morning. He's my baby.

Pah!

I tweeted him to say good luck, and let's hope it clears up rapidly.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on November 25, 2015, 04:45:03 PM
MTN/DD get WT licence. Do they really have the depth in the squad for three Grand Tours, never mind the rest?

Cav can lead one, maybe two. But who else? Pauwels?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2015, 05:30:14 PM
EBH I guess

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on November 25, 2015, 05:56:47 PM
Cummings was the leader of the team at the last TdF...

And perhaps Fraile can be the leader at the Vuelta...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: BluesBrothers on January 01, 2016, 08:13:42 AM
A happy New Year to everyone :toast: and have much fun with the cycling
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on January 02, 2016, 09:47:49 AM
HNY fella.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ghedebrav on January 03, 2016, 06:41:28 AM
Happy new year everyone!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: glomser on January 03, 2016, 11:15:46 AM
 :iatp:
Happy new year everyone!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on January 03, 2016, 12:54:20 PM
Happy New Year  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on January 05, 2016, 11:43:35 AM
best wishes everyone
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on April 15, 2016, 01:25:41 PM
Oh my God!
What is happening?
Carlos Betancur won stage 1 in Vuelta Castillia y Leon.
 :o

Cake for everyone!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on April 15, 2016, 01:39:58 PM
Oh my God!
What is happening?
Carlos Betancur won stage 1 in Vuelta Castillia y Leon.
 :o

Cake for everyone!

My man is back in the game. Bananitoooooooooooooooooo!

 :winner:

 :toast:

 :taco: :bacon:

 :win:

 :beer:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on April 17, 2016, 07:47:47 AM
Nice to see my man Logan Owen win the U23 LBL yesterday. Big hopes for California.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on April 20, 2016, 07:20:11 AM
Henao is on the hot seat again ...
And not that one after a TT.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on April 20, 2016, 07:37:30 AM
Henao is on the hot seat again ...
And not that one after a TT.

Very unlikely he'll be at the Giro I would think
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on April 20, 2016, 08:41:46 AM
Don't see the point of suspending him while they are investigating an old case.
Anyway, Bakelands and Moreno one place closer in todays result  :rofl:

I think fleche walonne and LBL is much worse then giro, he could have won both.
In the giro it would have been good to have a sky-tandem to compete against Nibali and Valverde.
But they can reschedule easy to prepare him for the TDF.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on May 27, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
Attended my first pro-cycling events, the Tour Of California stages 5, 6, 7, and 8. Great fun! Wonderful event.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on June 06, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13327624_1087826317923200_5040217615056904817_n.jpg?oh=d622a56112328e8cc50cead6dd44b5c4&oe=57C69D58)

Vincenzo Nibali with Claudio Chiappucci :afro:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on August 26, 2016, 04:25:06 PM
ICYMI: Tour of freakin' Turkey is now a World Tour event:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-expands-worldtour-to-37-events/
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on October 02, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
why is Eurometropole-tour a race in our competition?
It's a 1.1 race?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on October 02, 2016, 06:27:29 PM
why is Eurometropole-tour a race in our competition?
It's a 1.1 race?

I got a win in that race. It's a rare happening.  :winner:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 03, 2016, 02:47:21 AM
why is Eurometropole-tour a race in our competition?
It's a 1.1 race?

We decide the final calendar in winter. Sometimes race categories change during the season.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 03, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
I got a win in that race. It's a rare happening.  :winner:

A bit lucky there? Something tells me somebody with bad reputation (Bouhanni, Renshaw etc.) would have gotten disqualified for that sprint "line" :P
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on October 03, 2016, 10:52:14 AM
He definitely did not make friends there in the run to qatar.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on October 03, 2016, 11:58:23 AM
A bit lucky there? Something tells me somebody with bad reputation (Bouhanni, Renshaw etc.) would have gotten disqualified for that sprint "line" :P

I didn't see it!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on October 03, 2016, 12:37:44 PM
Neither did the UCI official ...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on October 15, 2016, 03:15:11 PM
This is very exciting! Demare, Gaviria and Drucker for me vs. Sagan, Ewan and Thomas for GTF.  I have a 300 point headstart. Eek! Come on boys, don't let me down. :agent:

May the best team win :toast: :toth:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 15, 2016, 05:29:50 PM
I think you've got this! Even if Sagan repeats & Ewan comes 10th, sth like 8th & 11th from Gaviria & Demare would be enough.
Good luck to both :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on October 16, 2016, 07:23:16 AM
Sagan in the first group, could be interesting :)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on October 16, 2016, 09:41:29 AM
Gaviria out, Demare in the 4th group or something, Drucker nowhere to be seen. Ewan out, Thomas out, so everything depends on Sagan for GTF. Only a win for Sagan can earn GTF first place. :o
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 16, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
I'll say congratulations to both of you for this season. The boy and girl dun good!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 16, 2016, 10:10:13 AM
I case you were wondering, world champions in consecutive years: Ronsse, van Looy, van Steenbergen, Bugno, Bettini #GoBerhaneGo
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on October 16, 2016, 10:38:58 AM
BooYah! . Well, congrats :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 16, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
Wow! The main league decided by centimeters :taco:
(The invitational too btw, it was Cav vs. Sagan.)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on October 16, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
Congrats to GTF and to Florry for this close league!

Very close call for the 3rd place too...

Good game to all.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on October 16, 2016, 10:58:30 AM
Congratulations to GTF. Great season!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: GTF on October 16, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
Thanks guys, and thank you Peter Sagan  :toast:. I wasn't expecting this after Paris-Tours.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2016, 04:24:04 PM
Can we get to 200 auctions before it's November 1 in any of our actual time zones? :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 31, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
Going to be expensive. Just got to get on with it.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on October 31, 2016, 06:07:13 PM
Caught me out a touch.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 31, 2016, 06:22:09 PM
Caught me out a touch.

Think it's caught everyone out.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 31, 2016, 06:32:35 PM
Trying to add everybody's first names into the spreadsheet, but my memory is worthless. Let me know the ones I can't seem to remember please :toth:

Also, looking for a nice spreadsheet font for next year. Proposals?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on October 31, 2016, 06:42:06 PM
Got my name right  :thumbsup:

Hows about Droid sans as the new font, no idea if it'll be any good to read but it's called droid so it must be good.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 01, 2016, 08:11:13 AM
The hurricane appears to have subsided.

 :soapbox:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 01, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
Nearly 4mln for Chaves, what is the highest salary ever?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on November 01, 2016, 05:41:37 PM
That i'd guess.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 01, 2016, 06:57:42 PM
Honestly, I go away for an hour or so and it goes bananas again!  :doh:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 01, 2016, 09:05:14 PM
Nearly 4mln for Chaves, what is the highest salary ever?

It's all based on his lovely smile Florry.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 02, 2016, 04:16:17 AM
Nearly 4mln for Chaves, what is the highest salary ever?

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=76722.msg417444#msg417444
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 02, 2016, 05:37:25 AM
Oela ... Just camo online after the weekend ...
Need some catching up.
Why are you guys all in such a hurry :-)
enjoy spending your bucks people!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 02, 2016, 06:22:07 AM
Nooooo al pacino picked my baby in the neo draft :(
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on November 02, 2016, 08:04:36 AM
Knew you'd want him but that wasn't the deciding factor. My first choice was picked the go before mine.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 02, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
I'm wondering which one of my picks will get busted this time :o
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
Hopefully I won't have to look through my hands whenever there's a one-day race going on now. The last couple of years have been awful. Kristoff...be lucky.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on November 02, 2016, 05:55:34 PM
For a few times that I almost offered 3750 for Kristoff...
I think you made a good buy and you got a nasty combo on Froome+Kristoff!
Congrats.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
I thought someone would've. But hey, too late now.

Just watch the bugger get injured now.

And I'll be sat there again hating one day races.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 02, 2016, 07:43:52 PM
derrudi's bought 6 today. WTF!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 03, 2016, 02:29:40 PM
I cant work out how people have so many different bids going haha. ive got about 7 and im all out of cash. and half of them must be 210 or less
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 02:31:47 PM
I cant work out how people have so many different bids going haha. ive got about 7 and im all out of cash. and half of them must be 210 or less

Don't worry TER, I had a spreadsheet listing everyone's bids going until I got bored of doing it yesterday. Not one person exceeded their budget at any time over the first 3 days, happily.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 03, 2016, 02:53:02 PM
I wast suggesting that, just when you see how much riders are going for, probs because the riders im not interested in are those which are being bid on

On a separate note it looks like there is an error in the spreadsheet for derrudi. Matthews name appears in the cell where Kudus price for this season should be
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 03, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
I wast suggesting that, just when you see how much riders are going for, probs because the riders im not interested in are those which are being bid on

On a separate note it looks like there is an error in the spreadsheet for derrudi. Matthews name appears in the cell where Kudus price for this season should be

That is probably because someone's cursor was resting on that space. It looks fine at my end. Email me a screengrab Tom if it isn't looking correct at your end please.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 03, 2016, 03:54:29 PM
Its all good again now
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 04, 2016, 07:22:08 AM
Loving the fonts many are using.

 :winner:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 04, 2016, 07:45:18 AM
Team Euskaltel welcomes neo-pro Chris Hamilton (2-year deal), Edoardo Zardini and Vegard Stake Laengen (both on a 1-year deal) :win: :toast: :winner:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 04, 2016, 07:49:12 PM
BMC Racing team welcome Kristoff, Cort, Lobato and Carapaz to the roster for 2017.

I had 5 main targets for this year.

Cort
Coquard
Ulissi
Nizzolo
Colbrelli

Getting Kristoff and Lobato early put paid to any hope of that.

 :afro:

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on November 05, 2016, 06:01:11 AM
Lopez is out for 4 months after a training injury. Oh the reality...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2016, 06:16:10 AM
Lopez is out for 4 months after a training injury. Oh the reality...

Which Lopez? It's ungoogleable because of Brook Lopez's glass feet...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 05, 2016, 07:42:40 AM
My Lopez. Fractured tibia.

My I njuries have started early this year.

Agh.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 05, 2016, 02:54:59 PM
Some new signings for team Euskaltel  :win:
Sonny Colbrelli
Michael Valgren
Baptiste Planckaert
Maximilian Walscheid
The last one signed for one year, the others agreed to a 2-year deal. :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2016, 07:53:12 PM
Welcome to Emanuel Buchmann and Marco Maronese from :BMC:

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ace on November 07, 2016, 04:07:22 AM
An idea: 5% min raise if you have previously bid on that rider.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 07, 2016, 04:40:25 AM
An idea: 5% min raise if you have previously bid on that rider.

Interesting, definitely worth discussing next October.
But I'm afraid it could lead to 30k beginnings then overbid by the entire league (40k, 50k...) becoming too popular.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ace on November 07, 2016, 05:49:00 AM
Interesting, definitely worth discussing next October.
But I'm afraid it could lead to 30k beginnings then overbid by the entire league (40k, 50k...) becoming too popular.

Good point, how about:

Min raise is 10%. For bids over 1m total min raise is 100k. If you have offered a rider 500k total and get outbid the min raise is 5%.

I'd also like it if we could cap the open auctions.

To start each team gets one opening bid that must be for 1m plus. 48 hours later everyone gets 2 more bids that must be 500k plus. 72 hours later bidding becomes open but there is a 3 page limit (115 riders if we have 5 first page stickied threads).

I'd enjoy it more if there was a bit of structure and realism; don't know what others think.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 07, 2016, 07:09:12 AM
But what if the riders on the market arent deemed to be worth 1m plus by players?

Of this market there were only about 5 or 6 in my eyes worth 1M or more
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 07, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
I agree with TER, I don't think it's broken. Clearly the more players there are the more expensive the top riders become but tbh the very top riders pay back more than most anyway.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: cranky on November 07, 2016, 02:09:42 PM
I agree with Joel and TER, it's an open market so each rider is worth what someone is willing to pay for them, that's what makes the bidding process so exciting and infuriating at times when you get outbid in the last couple of hours.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 07, 2016, 02:20:21 PM
Also this year Ive gone for quality over quantity in the main, looking at roughly a 19/20 rider roster. As Ive finished 4th, 5th and 5th the past 3 years, id go for a different approach.

Ideally I would have liked Nizzolo where I ended up with Greipel and would have prefered Chaves to Dumoulin, which may have changed who i bid for later on slightly, but still think I have plenty of quality. Only thing I lack is a top top GC guy, but Dumo was the best out there once I lost out on Chaves, and missing another classics guy and a second level sprinter.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on November 07, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
The bidding system is fine I think. We do get some 'draft day' tension here, which is nice.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 07, 2016, 07:28:07 PM
Also this year Ive gone for quality over quantity in the main, looking at roughly a 19/20 rider roster. As Ive finished 4th, 5th and 5th the past 3 years, id go for a different approach.

Ideally I would have liked Nizzolo where I ended up with Greipel and would have prefered Chaves to Dumoulin, which may have changed who i bid for later on slightly, but still think I have plenty of quality. Only thing I lack is a top top GC guy, but Dumo was the best out there once I lost out on Chaves, and missing another classics guy and a second level sprinter.

Me too. I'll be lucky to hit 20 riders.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 08, 2016, 01:47:47 AM
I'm close to having a almost full team this time  :toast:

Guess the average age of my riders is like 22 tho..looking to the future as always!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2016, 04:21:50 PM
Unbelievable. To add to Lopez being out for 4-5 months, Ruben Fernandez blown off his bike, broken jaw and lost a few teeth today.

FFS.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 08, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
At least that shows he's on training ...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 09, 2016, 06:18:06 AM
At least that shows he's on training ...

True. He usually does TDU so that's not good.

Mind you it pales into insignificance with the news from the US this morning.

Terrifying.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on November 09, 2016, 04:07:13 PM
indeed. This election tells us that you can be a bully, bigot, sexist and unqualified and none of it will matter.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 09, 2016, 04:37:06 PM
If you have to choose between two clowns, perhaps it's not the worst thing to vote for the biggest clown ...
 :rool:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 18, 2016, 09:33:12 AM
Criterium International is not taking place in 2017.
Big problem for FDJ's and Cofidis 2nd row climbers ... And for all of you guys who bought those  :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
GTs now 8 riders.

Some other races now 7.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on November 27, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
is it already official? I thought it was just a plan ...
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on November 28, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
Well, the big race organisers (ASO, RCS) apparently decided this. Their timing is aweful, of course, right after most transfers have been negotiated. Their motivation, however, is praiseworthy (making races safer and less controlled by the big teams).
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 29, 2016, 02:19:15 AM
I disagree and think there motivation is money driven. If a road has too much furniture etc and is unsafe for a 198 rider peleton for me it is still unsafe for a 176 rider peleton (GT's). If your talking size in terms of safety then the peleton would need to be halved in my opinion.

Equally as Etix have said you'd potentially put 90 WT riders out of a job with these reductions, not cool, and ultimately you would think lesser opportunities for new talent coming through.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on November 30, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
I disagree and think there motivation is money driven. If a road has too much furniture etc and is unsafe for a 198 rider peleton for me it is still unsafe for a 176 rider peleton (GT's). If your talking size in terms of safety then the peleton would need to be halved in my opinion.

Equally as Etix have said you'd potentially put 90 WT riders out of a job with these reductions, not cool, and ultimately you would think lesser opportunities for new talent coming through.

Furniture is obviously a serious issue; but it is something race organisers should address regardless of other issues. I don't think anybody has stated they are doing less riders in lieu of addressing the road furniture issues.

Safety is improved by having fewer riders in the peloton, because it simply makes the peloton smaller, so the risk of collisions is smaller. Obviously even less riders would be better, so I agree with you there. Nevertheless removing 22 riders from the peleton will increase safety.

Putting riders out of a job, we can agree on that too. However, there are also more races teams have to compete in I think. So, whether that evens out is up to the managers of teams and how the spend their budget. As I said the timing here is terrible because most teams would have already been figuring this out.

I don't quite understand your argument of how reducing the teams' sizes in the races is about money; you don't reduce cost much by vacating 22 beds * 21 days = 462 beds out of 40.000 for e.g. the tour.

In addition, we can look at other races to see what possible effects are: Paris-Nice, Basque Country, Suisse, Dauphinee all had 8 rider teams. Those were some pretty awesome races: winners by only 4 and 3 times 12 seconds respectively. However, this could have also just been the effect of the prestige of these races and the riders (cough Contador cough) that were present. Then again, we can expect the same for the Tour etc. so that is why I think the races will be more exciting because of 8 man teams.


Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 30, 2016, 04:42:50 PM
Dombrowski tweeted just now suggesting a 3km rule would make an awful lot more sense on safety. I agree with him.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 09, 2016, 01:40:26 PM
Purito has retired.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/rodriguez_announces_retirement_-_again/
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on December 09, 2016, 05:11:27 PM
edit. nevermind, I didnt read the whole article first.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on January 10, 2017, 11:54:01 AM
An idea ...

Westra, Meersman, Rodriguez, ... (do I forget others?)
When a rider decides to quit cycling after he's auctioned, you are screwed.
Wouldn't it be logic that he's excluded out of the game then, and that his place becomes vacant?

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on January 10, 2017, 12:13:59 PM
An idea ...

Westra, Meersman, Rodriguez, ... (do I forget others?)
When a rider decides to quit cycling after he's auctioned, you are screwed.
Wouldn't it be logic that he's excluded out of the game then, and that his place becomes vacant?



It makes sense, but the game get more complicated. Meersman, Lachlan Morton, Evans, Purito, Riccó, all of them retire, but all different situations.
Anyway, I think we should not implement new rules after the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on January 10, 2017, 01:14:22 PM
It makes sense, but the game get more complicated. Meersman, Lachlan Morton, Evans, Purito, Riccó, all of them retire, but all different situations.
Anyway, I think we should not implement new rules after the beginning of the season.

I agree. When riders have retired after they've been bought previously then they've been in the team all year, I had one with Tschopp.

We also had a couple of more disturbing situations last year too but riders were kept.

Besides Purito could've been a big bargain.

If we are to do it then it has to be decided pre auction.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 10, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
Meersman retiring is different from the others he had no choice (illness) and maybe the same in Westras case but we don't have the details.

I think with the others thats luck of the draw, if you signed purito then you knew the risk (or if you didnt youve not being paying much attention tbh)

Its very rare though that someone who you paid a high price for would just up and retire unless it was out if there control.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on January 10, 2017, 05:52:07 PM
Njah, I understand.
But it's a fact that we auction in November. And Officially the season runs until 31 december.
F.e. Biel Kadri hasn't got a team yet, and some others I can't immediately can come up with.
If the TJ-Sport plan hadn't worked out, probably 5 or more "lampre-riders" wouldn't be pro anymore.
Examples enough, but indeed never big shots.
And about Rodriguez, I wasn't expecting it. I naively believed his story to end his career in the races he likes.

And off course I didn't say it to change it immediately.
It sounds just logic if your rider isn't a pro anymore, you don't have to pay him salary anymore.
The reason why they quit cycling is unimprtant for that.
It was just an idea.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 20, 2017, 12:38:51 PM
Are all the points up to date does anyone know?

Not that im bothered about dong rubbish, but I believe Greipel should have scored me something in Algarve and Nieve in Andalucia
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on February 20, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
All points where up to date.
2 problems though.
NIEVE Mikel changed his name to NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel, that's why you didn't receive any points.
The points for Greipel were okay, but someone deleted them in your roster.

All fixed!

@All, stay awake for such bugs. Just shout when you meet one.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 20, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
cheers
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 27, 2017, 06:29:02 AM
Anyone know if there are points missing on the CQ website for Abu Dhabi?

I read this in there points breakdown 'In GT1-, GT2-, 2.WT1-, 2.WT2 and 2.WT3-races, the same amount of points is awarded to the riders in the final points classification and the final mountains classification as to those in the stage results.'
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on February 27, 2017, 06:34:48 AM
I read this in there points breakdown 'In GT1-, GT2-, 2.WT1-, 2.WT2 and 2.WT3-races, the same amount of points is awarded to the riders in the final points classification and the final mountains classification as to those in the stage results.'

Equally perplexed here. My entire Kittel rationale was stage + points classification :puke:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on February 27, 2017, 07:22:57 AM
On the website of abudhabitour it's clear that there is a pointclassification. Cav was riding in a green jersey for sure.
Apparently there is no mountainclassification, which costs me awfully lots of points (1st and 4th place).

So the only conclusion I can make  is,  that it's written wrong on the cq website ... WT3 doesn't offer points for points or mountain classifications.
Next WT3-stagerace is tour of Turkey in April.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 27, 2017, 07:40:27 AM
why should no mountains class mean no points class for CQ when they state there would be one?

Eneco never run a Mountains class but always have a points class for which CQ award points, so i dont think they go hand in hand
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 28, 2017, 01:31:32 AM
Points class is up now on CQ site
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on February 28, 2017, 03:17:50 AM
modified!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: scrooll7 on March 05, 2017, 03:20:28 AM
Just find out that Polanc have 15pts missing from Dubai
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on March 05, 2017, 11:06:28 AM
Just find out that Polanc have 15pts missing from Dubai

Sorted.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on March 16, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
is there an issue with the points in the main standings? I only have 988 points on that page but when I look at my team total on my team page i have 1100+ points
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on March 17, 2017, 05:28:02 AM
is there an issue with the points in the main standings? I only have 988 points on that page but when I look at my team total on my team page i have 1100+ points

Solved now. My guess is somebody who has no idea how to use a spreadsheet decided to sort data anyway, and actually sorted a single column instead of the entire sheet :soapbox:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on March 22, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Vuelta y Catalunya ... What a joke!!! :doh:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on March 22, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Vuelta y Catalunya ... What a joke!!! :doh:

Why?

Correct decision according to the letter of the law.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on March 23, 2017, 06:42:14 AM
Indeed correct decision.
Thing is they needed 2 wrong decisions first and needed 16h to decide the right thing. And that because they had a manual who was outdated and who was translated wrongly.
Not very ISO ... And a joke!

CQ is still confused. It was Ben Hermans who wore the leader jersey instead of brent bookwalter. What do I do? Fill in official cq-points who are wrong? Or I modifie to reality?
I'm not objective because Ben Hermans is in my team. But he wore the leaders jersey, so my opinion is he should get the points.
(https://i2.wp.com/www.digitalcycling.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/C7hXaJvW0AQEtBv.jpg?resize=800%2C1200)
https://i2.wp.com/www.digitalcycling.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/C7hXaJvW0AQEtBv.jpg?resize=800%2C1200 (https://i2.wp.com/www.digitalcycling.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/C7hXaJvW0AQEtBv.jpg?resize=800%2C1200)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on March 23, 2017, 07:03:54 AM
What do I do?

Do nothing. They will correct it eventually, and then you fill it in.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 06, 2017, 05:23:34 AM
Offseason timing proposal:

- our season ends on Oct 24
- we take a while to let it sink in, pop the bubbly, count up predictions (volunteers?), recruit (help?) etc.
- I need a while to create the new spreadsheet
- I happen to be busy Nov 4-5

Start auctions and neo-pro draft on Monday Nov 6?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on October 06, 2017, 04:30:54 PM
Nov 6th works for me!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 06, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
Yes that’s good for me.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on October 20, 2017, 01:08:09 PM
That's good!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on October 20, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
Actually, early November just cleared up in my agenda, so we might as well try for the usual November 1.
Let's see if I can find any help with recruiting, counting up predictions etc.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Canto on October 21, 2017, 02:08:38 PM
I quite like nov 5
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 04, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Im happy with Jack's first neo pick, he isnt even on my list of 24!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2017, 07:39:25 AM
Im happy with Jack's first neo pick, he isnt even on my list of 24!

I'm sorry but that just makes your list weird AF :P
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 05, 2017, 08:02:46 AM
Your pick isnt even on my list! (I actually found Jack's pick on my list when I looked again,he was around 20th). Hamilton was quite high though

Everyone is too expensive already, may take your plan, take some cheap youngsters and ride this season out
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 05, 2017, 08:55:06 AM
Your pick isnt even on my list! (I actually found Jack's pick on my list when I looked again,he was around 20th). Hamilton was quite high though

I wish I had the liberty to make a cool pick. But because I have the most pressure to succeed this very season, a boring one was necessary.
But I'd by psyched to see that list whenever you're comfortable PMing it to me!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: LosBrolin on November 06, 2017, 04:41:38 AM
What happened to Albanese? I drafted him on neo-pro draft last year and he seems to be at Saxo :rool: Have I forgot some trade or similar?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2017, 06:46:30 AM
What happened to Albanese? I drafted him on neo-pro draft last year and he seems to be at Saxo :rool: Have I forgot some trade or similar?

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=58675.msg1215205#msg1215205
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on November 06, 2017, 07:56:37 AM


Everyone is too expensive already, may take your plan, take some cheap youngsters and ride this season out

You're not wrong. IN my first year playing this the top riders went for €1m a year and that seemed the most anyone was paying, now Sagan is going for €1.5m a year.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2017, 08:31:12 AM
You're not wrong. IN my first year playing this the top riders went for €1m a year and that seemed the most anyone was paying, now Sagan is going for €1.5m a year.

Or maybe we're just smarter as a group?
Those €1m Sagan/Froome salaries were extreme bargains, especially given how dramatically the variance increases the lower you go!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
I dont think its that part of the pricing that is the problem, its the fact i see what are in my opinion poor riders going for far more than they should and less bargins to be had
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
I might do well to end up with more than 10 riders tbh
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: al_pacino on November 06, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
Or maybe we're just smarter as a group?
Those €1m Sagan/Froome salaries were extreme bargains, especially given how dramatically the variance increases the lower you go!

I agree. There is every chance that Sagan is worth every cent(that is what you Euro people have isn't it?) of his €1.5m a year it's more that you're not quite sure what the riders under him will go for, it could be anything from €210k a year up to €1m +.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2017, 02:33:53 PM
Free market economics. A rider is only worth what you'll pay for him. And of course it's the same for everybody.

Bargains, favourites, the choice is yours.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2017, 02:38:18 PM
I know it sounds counter intuitive but more teams = higher prices
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 06, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
It's not counter-intuitive at all. €5000 more in the system means higher prices.
That's why I'm quite happy we've maintained the exact same amount of teams this year.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
It's not counter-intuitive at all. €5000 more in the system means higher prices.
That's why I'm quite happy we've maintained the exact same amount of teams this year.

I know its not, but if you don't quite understand economics it can sound that way, ie more teams more 'other' riders that people could go and bid on rather than everyone going for the same big fish (which still applies to a degree) but some people may not look at the money factor. Also more people starting from scratch inflates prices more than if it were the same x number of teams over 3-6 year cycle, which would mean certain riders would go for less as certain teams would be at a different stage of the cycle
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 06, 2017, 03:15:55 PM
Looking at the teams prior to the draft

Ag2r have a great chance if they pick up a decent leader
Both the new guys have a great chance too, Iam just needs a good GC rider. Astana with free reign
But Lampre look so strong again!

As for my team, well if I draft who ive bid on Im gonna be heavily reliant on a few riders, then picking up 7/8 riders at 30k to round out my team to make it up to around 20
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 06, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
BluesBrothers has Piti, Nairo and Landa. Gonna be fireworks!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on November 07, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Or maybe we're just smarter as a group?
Those €1m Sagan/Froome salaries were extreme bargains, especially given how dramatically the variance increases the lower you go!

I really think that the very top riders that in a normal year score more than 2000p were extreme bargains for around 1000€. I estimate the fair price for Froome, Sagan and Quintana somewhere between 1500 and 1750€... IMO, they are in a class apart, closely followed by Dumoulin and GvA.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 07, 2017, 02:42:08 PM
Sagan is definitely value at that level, Froome is unlikely to do as well as this year again I wouldn't think. Still good value for the price Garfield got him.

The only issue is risk of injury or illness on such a big outlay.
Title: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
For Saxo
Michael Carbel Svendgaard

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=21999

He’s not a neo pro Canto I’m afraid, please pick again.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2017, 05:27:14 PM
He’s not a neo pro Canto I’m afraid, please pick again.

What? Of course he's a neo. Pick stands.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Florry on November 08, 2017, 05:29:50 PM
He is officially not a neo because he was on a Pro team in '15/'16. Of course, whether we follow the official definition is up to you.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
He is officially not a neo because he was on a Pro team in '15/'16. Of course, whether we follow the official definition is up to you.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 05:32:06 PM
http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/Michael_Carbel
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
He is officially not a neo because he was on a Pro team in '15/'16. Of course, whether we follow the official definition is up to you.

I know what you mean, but I think in this game our rules are the only official thing. I don't think we should suddenly change the definition after so many years.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 05:35:58 PM
I know what you mean, but I think in this game our rules are the only official thing. I don't think we should suddenly change the definition after so many years.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He was a rider on a procontinental team for 2 years.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2017, 05:41:12 PM
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He was a rider on a procontinental team for 2 years.

And you're playing A GAME on the internet. A game which has rules. Rules a part of me hopes you've read before joining. Rules which are subject to change, but not retroactively. If he makes a legal pick according to the current rules, I'd have to be a BooYah! ty game designer to change them retroactively. Even if the rules were suboptimal. Get it? Sure, I can improve the rules for 2019. But not retroactively.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 05:48:16 PM
And you're playing A GAME on the internet. A game which has rules. Rules a part of me hopes you've read before joining. Rules which are subject to change, but not retroactively. If he makes a legal pick according to the current rules, I'd have to be a BooYah! ty game designer to change them retroactively. Even if the rules were suboptimal. Get it? Sure, I can improve the rules for 2019. But not retroactively.

All I’m saying is that it doesn’t fit the rules as they stand at the moment unless it’s perfectly acceptable for a rider to ride at PCT then go down a division for Sept 17 and then be considered as a neo pro again.

I have no interest in whether he joins Canto’s team, I’m following the rules as they currently stand.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
I’m following the rules as they currently stand.

I don't believe you are.
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
I don't believe you are.

So what you’re saying is for instance, Egan Bernal’s team had become a Continental team last year due to finance issues, this year he would be eligible for neo pro again?
Title: Re: Re: 2018 neo-pro draft
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2017, 06:01:23 PM
Aha, so you did read them. I'm glad. Case closed! Let me move all this nonsense to another thread.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 06:10:24 PM
Funnily enough it was because I read them that I said he wasn’t a valid neo pro. As I also stated I have no care whether he joins, I simply want the rules to be adhered to so it’s easy to moderate, understand, pick, explain.

There is no other case like Cult/Stölting, Carbel rode for Cult in 2014 as a neo pro as a CT team that then became PCT so you could then argue that 2015 was Carbel’s neo pro year at PCT level. Then financial difficulties made them CT once again and you’re saying he’s now a neo pro again.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 06:17:45 PM
In essence, going by these rules it would be possible for a young rider to win a WT race, but then drop back down to CT level as his team lost a sponsor, then be picked as a neo the following year.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 08, 2017, 06:19:14 PM
I simply want the rules to be adhered.

Sure, will do.

Then financial difficulties made them CT once again and you’re saying he’s now a neo pro again.

I'm not saying anything. The rules are. Can't you tell the difference?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 08, 2017, 06:21:38 PM
Mate. I give up. Do what you want to do.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 08, 2017, 06:27:07 PM
Folks, I just wish we could be a little more friendly towards one another :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on November 08, 2017, 07:20:02 PM
My BAD for missing it the first place.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 10, 2017, 02:11:46 PM
If I may be so bold, I think we should consider changing the neo draft rules for next year. These would be my suggestions:
1. Snake draft
2. 2yr contracts in both rounds
3. A rider is eligible if he hasn't raced for a professional (PCT or WT) team before and fits the age criterion (see 4). This is excluding traineeships, riders who have only raced at pro level as a trainee are eligible, also a contract signed in August or later is seen as equal to a traineeship.
4. Increase age criterion by a year or two. For this year, for example born 1993 or 1994 and later, instead of 1995 and later.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: derrudi on November 22, 2017, 06:40:22 AM
Given a set of rules*, would it not make sense to publish a sampling frame prior to the start of the neo-auction from which everybody can pick? So that we are on a level playing field, instead of more invested players getting an edge through their understanding or interpretation of the rules?

Or am I underestimating the joy fellow players have in clicking through lists on CQ-ranking, procyclingstats etc. and double-checking a suitable candidate based on the rules?


*once agreed upon
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 22, 2017, 07:16:33 AM
The pool contains more than billion people. The rule is simple and transparent. The research is half the fun.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 23, 2017, 03:19:25 PM
I've just tidied up the spreadsheet, ordered things, made fonts/sizes consistent across pages, narrowed columns, ensured borders etc . I don't think I've altered anyone's ordering that wasn't random, but please let me know if it isn't the way you'd like it and I'll change it.

OCD basically.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Teton on November 26, 2017, 04:47:14 PM
ProFSL Cycling Hall of Fame - is excellent!!! :winner:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 26, 2017, 04:51:09 PM
Thanks :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2017, 05:00:35 PM
Aye, good work fella.  :toth:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 27, 2017, 05:13:56 PM
Team complete with the final signing, Ruben Plaza, long in the tooth but with a job to do for Israel Cycling Academy at the Giro, a long distance break or two for a stage win.

Good luck everyone. (Clearly I don’t mean that).
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 07, 2017, 10:09:28 AM
Can I just ask about rules please?

Are we scoring all riders no matter how many we have for a race, or are we doing as per the real UCI rules of 6/7/8 per race? Or something else?

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on December 16, 2017, 07:01:53 AM
Are we scoring all riders no matter how many we have for a race

Yes, since last season. It was too much work to analyze team-by-team, race-by-race. No need to touch any team sheet ever again.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 16, 2017, 07:32:54 AM
Makes sense in every way.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on January 14, 2018, 01:02:04 PM
May the season begin! :taco:
My thoughts and prayers go to all the commentators ever mentioning EF-Education First Drapac – Powered by Cannondale :rofl:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on January 16, 2018, 03:24:12 PM
Kirby couldn’t even get Bora Argon correct so there’s little hope in the UK.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on January 16, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
Has the season finished??

If only
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2018, 05:12:33 AM
In the Netherlands we're lucky to have Belgian TV in most cable offers, and those guys can recognize any rider from a quick glance at their posture/earlobe/shin/shoe/butt/nails  :win:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2018, 10:48:33 AM
Rider Ranking sheet ready :judge:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 04, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
I know its not really feasible but i would be interested to know how a game would go in which all races are included. Such as how would points obtained in races that have finished today impact a riders value? How would some of the lesser riders fair, like a Sammy Dumo from a few years ago, didnt do anything special in WT races but won pretty much everything on the french calender and had a high cq score. Also how many top riders just score in WT races pretty much.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on February 04, 2018, 03:34:05 PM
It would be a very different game from our wt as wt is different from cyclopaths.Take trentin vs porte. Similar outcome cq points wise in 2017, but almost all porte's points come from wt races as trentin only gets half of it from wt. So porte is much more strong then trentin at cyclopaths, stronger at wt and would be almost the same in a game all races considered.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on February 04, 2018, 03:37:55 PM
And, in that game, we would have a bid fight for Balarcón!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on February 05, 2018, 01:35:23 PM
I know its not really feasible but i would be interested to know how a game would go in which all races are included.

Hmmm, the only feasible version I can think of is one that simply counts the number of wins in anything CQ publishes.
Pro - easy peasy: http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/VictoryRankingRider.asp?year=2018
Con - Russian roulette is more predictable. Areruya and Valverde are co-leaders as of today :taco:

If more people like it, we could give it a test run this season already.

Snake draft, or separate auctions?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on February 06, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
Id be up for it if others were interested. I dont mind the format, whatever would be easiest.
Would stage wins be equal to GC wins and one day wins? Would other jersey wins count (mountains/sprint)?
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on February 06, 2018, 01:09:50 PM
We'd just look up the above link to calculate the final outcome.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on February 10, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
Look at young Ivan Sosa. Go lad. :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on February 18, 2018, 07:37:49 AM
Don't you have the impression it's a particularly competitive start of the season for the sprinters? Everybody seems to have their winning legs early!
Wins:
Viviani, Gaviria - 4
Groenewegen - 3
Ewan, Degenkolb, Greipel, Mareczko - 2
Sagan, Colbrelli, Cort, Coquard, Cavendish, Modolo, Kristoff, Nizzolo, van Poppel - 1
Bouhanni, Demare - 2nd places
Bennett, Trentin, and surprisingly Kittel - 0
Matthews - hasn't started racing yet
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on February 18, 2018, 09:11:13 AM
Don't you have the impression it's a particularly competitive start of the season for the sprinters? Everybody seems to have their winning legs early!
Wins:
Viviani, Gaviria - 4
Groenewegen - 3
Ewan, Degenkolb, Greipel, Mareczko - 2
Sagan, Colbrelli, Cort, Coquard, Cavendish, Modolo, Kristoff, Nizzolo, van Poppel - 1
Bouhanni, Demare - 2nd places
Bennett, Trentin, and surprisingly Kittel - 0
Matthews - hasn't started racing yet

I’m particularly pleased that Gaviria hasn’t yet raced a race that actually counts. Mind you, nose bleed time for BMC near the top of the table so early in the season.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 16, 2018, 12:54:49 PM
Impressed by Luis' :Lampre: teampage

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2m4q4i9.png)
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on November 16, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
Ahahah!!! Every year it must get better! :taco: and there aren't many fonts in google sheets but some of them seem quite similar to the original.  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on November 16, 2018, 03:02:53 PM
And there's something between cycling and colours, how many people only wear neutral colours in everyday life and when it comes the time of choosing the cycling gear they go for the garish stuff!
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Florry on November 16, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Ahahah!!! Every year it must get better! :taco: and there aren't many fonts in google sheets but some of them seem quite similar to the original.  :toast:
And there's something between cycling and colours, how many people only wear neutral colours in everyday life and when it comes the time of choosing the cycling gear they go for the garish stuff!

The more colorful, the better,  and I applaud your efforts :toth: looks quite stylish

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 16, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
You can import more fonts Luis.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Ace on November 16, 2018, 11:57:54 PM
Awesome work Luis; puts Lotto to shame (although i did take about 10 minutes last year trying almost every font before deciding on 'permanent marker').
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on November 28, 2018, 06:32:46 AM
Impressed by Luis' :Lampre: teampage

It is a piece of art indeed!
I stole large parts of it, but at least I'm silently proud I came up with the movistar M :thumbsup:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: oliveira on November 29, 2018, 10:30:41 AM
I stole large parts of it, but at least I'm silently proud I came up with the movistar M :thumbsup:

I stole that one myself  :toast:
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on November 30, 2018, 03:48:31 PM
Well, it looks as if this year's auction has just 3 more riders to go...unless there are some more trades.

Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Garfield on June 06, 2019, 11:27:34 AM
The notifications are still broken, so for any issues, please just email me at kazaniecki dot daniel at gmail.
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: Parreira14 on July 15, 2019, 06:51:22 AM
Tour de Slovénie

VLASOV Aleksandr remains with 0 points

He scored 120


https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=24316&year=2019&all=0&current=0

Thanks
Title: Re: General discussion
Post by: davy duck on July 22, 2019, 12:21:48 PM
Vlasov issue solved.
Apparently he changed his name from alexander to alexandr  :rolleyes: