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Title: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on October 11, 2018, 08:05:50 AM
We need to add Gran Piemonte next year, it’s an HC. Wasn’t on the calendar in 2017 which explains this year’s oversight.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on October 14, 2018, 06:17:44 AM
cheers! any other observations?
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on October 14, 2018, 06:58:40 AM
Austria has been a 2.1 for the last couple of years.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: oliveira on October 23, 2018, 04:04:09 PM
According to PCS:

- No Dubai Tour (merged with Abu Dhabi);
- Bredene Koksijde Classic in as an HC;
- Yorkshire goes HC;
- Tour of Slovenia goes HC;
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: oliveira on October 24, 2018, 08:20:53 AM
I would also sneak in Deutschland Tour. It's likely that they grow to HC and it's a big race, with a field better than some WT races.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on October 24, 2018, 09:10:48 AM
Thanks, guys! I'm on it :judge:
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on October 25, 2018, 07:14:04 AM
Once I went deeper, I saw a lot of races folding.

(Unfortunately the autumn calendar is a question mark as usual, so we'll have to assume they all just continue.)

It would be nice to identify the largest 1.1/2.1 events and get some in, so that the total number of races in the game stays constant. My candidates:

A) The No-Brainers

Hammer Stavanger & Limburg (2.1)


B) The Why-Nots

Hammer Hong Kong (2.1, I'm a tad concerned about the field)

Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana (2.1)

Poels 2016, Nairo 2017, 2018:

1.VALVERDE Alejandro 16:14:53
2.SÁNCHEZ Luis León0:14
3.FUGLSANG Jakob0:26
4.YATES Adam0:37
5.HERRADA Jesús0:48
6.ROGLIČ Primož0:49
7.BILBAO Pello0:54
8.KREUZIGER Roman0:57

Gran Premio Miguel Indurain (1.1)

Ion Izagirre 2016, Simon Yates 2017, 2018:

1.VALVERDE Alejandro4:41:18
2.VERONA Carlos0:20
3.SCHULTZ Nick1:04
4.PRADES Eduard1:16
5.BETANCUR Carlos,,
6.SOLER Marc1:19
7.ZAKARIN Ilnur1:30
8.CALMEJANE Lilian1:43
9.ŠPILAK Simon,,

Gran Premio Città di Lugano (1.1, 1.HC before)

Previously won by Kübler, Coppi x3, Anquetil x7, Poulidor, Merckx, Altig, Ocaña, Zoetemelk, Bettini. 2018:

1.PERNSTEINER Hermann4:53:05
2.SBARAGLI Kristian0:32
3.GASPAROTTO Enrico1:33
4.ULISSI Diego1:40
5.VISCONTI Giovanni,,
6.POZZOVIVO Domenico,,
7.CICCONE Giulio1:57

Mont Ventoux Dénivelé Challenge (1.1)

1st edition. Should be a blast?

Deutschland Tour (as argued above)

Colombia 2.1 (2.1)

2nd edition. 2018:

1.BERNAL Egan 20:49:03
2.QUINTANA Nairo0:08
3.URÁN Rigoberto0:11
4.HENAO Sergio0:12
5.MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe0:43
6.SOSA Iván Ramiro0:45
7.ALAPHILIPPE Julian0:50


Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: oliveira on October 25, 2018, 10:38:24 AM
I'm good with all of them.  :toast:
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on October 25, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
All is maybe a bit much? I think in principle I have space for 6 of the above-mentioned 9.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on October 26, 2018, 05:50:11 AM
Update: since nobody else chipped in, I had to make the decision myself.

Apart from the WC TTT, none of the autumn races seem cancelled according to this (https://www.velowire.com/UCIcyclingcalendar/calendar/85/europe-tour/2019.html) and this (https://cyclingpro.net/velopro/course/eurometropole-tour/le-tour-de-leurmetropole-sans-date-pour-2019-et-le-grand-prix-disbergues-mis-en-concurrence/).

For the sake of consistency, I'm throwing in all three Hammer Series.

Further, say hello to :Germany: Deutschland & Valencia, both having attracted 11 WT teams and very strong Pro Conti too, even though the latter owes the amazing field more to the fact that everybody needs some early racing kilometres in those legs.

And Mont Ventoux Dénivelé Challenge - what could possibly go wrong???

Missing out: Indurain (only :Katusha: :Movistar: :Orica: :Europcar: showed up), Lugano (only Bahrain & UAE showed up), Colombia (a slightly glorified NC, only 3-4 teams with motivated Colombians showed up).
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: glomser on October 26, 2018, 09:35:01 AM
Wouldn't add the hammer series. It's not a real race like others, but really a team performance. So therefore I wouldn't add them. And Columbia has mostly not the best teams shown up, so would skip that one too. Others can be added I guess.

And if you have Guangxi and Japan why not Hainan. Most of the riders in Guangxi are also participating Hainan.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Ace on November 25, 2018, 10:49:28 PM
I'd also omit the hammer series, the scoring on cq rewards teams rather than riders even in the 'road' stages and the points awarded are very low: https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/tour.asp?tourid=3497
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: TERatcliffe26 on November 26, 2018, 03:21:58 AM
Guangxi is WT and Hainan is not, big difference the teams in my opinion and not most riders riding Hainan as we have seen in the past, same reason we dont have Langkawi
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on November 27, 2018, 06:44:08 AM
I agree on Hammer, seems very odd to include this.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on November 28, 2018, 06:39:36 AM
Well, unfortunately for you we had an explicit discussion about it over a month ago, you chose not to participate, and I had to make a decision before the bidding started. (The only person who replied wrote "most of the riders in Guangxi are also participating Hainan" so I had to ignore it.) Next year, please try to help me before the auctions, not after them.

PS
Not that it matters, but:
1) Hammer scoring low is good: no big swings from experimental races
2) Hammer startlists are awesome
3) They are refreshingly different/curious compared to all other competitions
4) They seem a serious project that is likely to grow rapidly and even become WT
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on December 27, 2018, 03:15:48 AM
Unfortunate update: it's just been pointed out to me that I somehow forgot Bruges-Panne, which is WT now. I'll have to add it once I'm back in 3 weeks. The race that will be removed is Mont Ventoux Dénivelé Challenge, unless one of the existing autumn semi-classics gets cancelled.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on January 09, 2019, 06:42:44 AM
We seem to have lost the Tour of Oman from the spreadsheets.

Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: glomser on January 10, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
Scheldeprijs (10. april) is HC but not on the sheet. Same for GP du canton d'Argovie (13. June)

Tour of Oman (16.02-21.02)
Tour of Langkawi (24.03-21.03)
Tour of Qinghai Lake (14.07-24.07)

All not on the sheet and all HC. But maybe not strong enough on the participants.

 San Juan is not a qualified round but with strong participants (Quintana, Gaviria, Benoot, Alaphillipe, Cav, Sam Bennett) And is already several years this strong.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2019, 04:34:12 AM
I suppose I'll make 4 substitutions this weekend:

In - previously forgotten 3D Panne, Scheldeprijs, Argovie, Oman

Out - 3x Hammer plus Tour de l'Eurométropole (still doesn't have a date)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on January 18, 2019, 07:25:40 AM
I suppose I'll make 4 substitutions this weekend:

In - previously forgotten 3D Panne, Scheldeprijs, Argovie, Oman

Out - 3x Hammer plus Tour de l'Eurométropole (still doesn't have a date)

Thoughts?

Agree, although keep Eurometropole is at all possible.

Should definitely consider Colombia next year too given the superb startlist.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
Agree, although keep Eurometropole is at all possible.

Why? Do you have sources believing it will actually take place?
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on January 18, 2019, 09:15:35 AM
Why? Do you have sources believing it will actually take place?

What's the harm in keeping it there, should it take place?

I'm not too bothered from my own perspective as I'm unlikely to have anyone riding it.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2019, 12:19:10 PM
What's the harm in keeping it there, should it take place?

As the total space is limited, it unnecessarily takes away the space of a race that will actually take place.
I'll remove it unless someone can prove they found a date.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on January 18, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
As the total space is limited, it unnecessarily takes away the space of a race that will actually take place.
I'll remove it unless someone can prove they found a date.

I didn't realise the total space was limited. Thought that issue had been sorted.
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Garfield on January 18, 2019, 04:46:50 PM
It's done. Eurometropole stays in the end. I'm a bit scared only French teams will take that whole Ventoux thing seriously.

Double-check, anybody?
Title: Re: 2019 Calendar
Post by: Joelsim on January 21, 2019, 03:37:03 PM
More on the Ventoux Race here, the day after the Dauphiné finishes, I suspect the start will be very close to the last stage of CDD.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/full-route-revealed-inaugural-mont-ventoux-one-day-race-405433

I can see this being a big race, not many for the climbers in a one-day sense on the calendar except Il Lombardia and to a lesser extent Liege.

I suspect a decent field will come.