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Fantasy Leagues => Cross-Court Dynasty: Transactions => Cross-Court Dynasty => NBA Leagues => Cross-Court Dynasty: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Interpaga on August 20, 2021, 06:02:15 PM
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Spurs trade:
- Covington $12.6m 2022
- Spurs first round 2022
- Spurs first round 2023
- Spurs second round 2023
- Yam Madar $0.5m 2023 (G-league)
- Simi Shi ttu $0.5m 2022 (G-league).
For
- Vucevic fully paid 2022 and half 2023
- Gordon $17.3m 2022 ($11.6m paid).
Spurs want to strengthen their frontcourt. Covington still offers strong fantasy value and we are not happy of losing most of our picks but we think this deal and in particular Vucevic can improve our team
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:iatp:
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Unfortunately this deal is null and void. I would let it go through if Orlando had accepted the deal but never did and he emailed me last night saying he was stepping down.
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The deal was accepted by Magic through private message on Profsl and after several days of negotiations. Spurs also already finalized other two deals related to this one, Vassell with Kings and another one entirely dependant on this trade (we were just waiting the formal approval of Magic before posting it). So, we cannot accept the trade is cancelled just because the counterparty decided to step down in the period between private and formal approval.
To preserve the principles of fair play and correctness of this league, I would kindly ask to the League Manager to please send a message to the Magic manager to request confirmation of his private approval of this trade. If the League manager and the other voting members of the League agree with us that the trade is honest and completely fair, we are sure it is worth of approval even if the Magic manager stepped down just before formally approving it.
Sorry we invested 10 days working on this deal and other related trades, so we cannot let this pass without making our case
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:DAL-NBA: opinion on this trade is that i aggree for this trade to be "null and void". Orlando's approval must be posted here. To be fair to other trades. And also if there are screenshots of approval in private message, still i wont agree on that. Because my main consideration in accepting trades is the posting of confirmation here on the thread. And seeing the day this trade is posted Orlando has alteast a day or maybe 2 days to confirm this before he resign.
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Magic owner was last active on Profsl on August 20, 2021, 11:48:05 AM, before the trade was posted
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Going to league wide majority rules on this.
2 are currently against it with me and :DAL-NBA:
Rest of league needs to post their vote on whether it is allowed or not. :SA: not allowed a vote due to being involved in trade. Majority rules will decide it.
Vote Tally
3 Void
1 Allow
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Trade should be null and void. The GM should have accepted before deciding to back out of the league, however he did not and left the other GM hanging. It sucks for the Spurs, but there's no GM to confirm the trade now that he quit.
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:iatp:
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It's a solid trade. Stepping down without confirming a trade speaks poorly of the manager that left. That's the manager that should be punished. The Spurs are a rival and this trade certainly strengthens them, but I cannot in good conscious veto this deal.
Punishing the Spurs after all these negotiations and having a deal in place when the other manager fails in his duties is NCAA level punishment logic. The NCAA loves to punish players, teams, coaches, etc. for the sins of others. A veto here is just as heinous. The party that failed to fulfill their duty should be punished, not the team that negotiated in good faith and did everything right.
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I will be voting to void this trade on the basis that the Magic GM's leaving and 2 of 3 top guys on the team (Vucevic and Gordon) were involved in the trade. The new GM may want to strategize differently with them or follow along with previous GM, we're not sure yet. Though, I think the trade itself is solid and that @Interpaga should re-send the offer to the new Magic GM.
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Trade was never confirmed so it should be null and voided.
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I will be voting to void this trade on the basis that the Magic GM's leaving and 2 of 3 top guys on the team (Vucevic and Gordon) were involved in the trade. The new GM may want to strategize differently with them or follow along with previous GM, we're not sure yet. Though, I think the trade itself is solid and that @Interpaga should re-send the offer to the new Magic GM.
I will re-consider my vote if it ends up split.
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Ok this is difficult because this involves more than 2 teams. Is it fair that the owner decided to walk away and cause all this i dont like that. So i going to base my vote on all teams being involved in it. So i have decided to go ahead and make my decision on over all of the trade. I dont see any collusion involved in this trade. I feel it helps both teams in long run so i will also
:iatp: this trade.
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Current vote as of this post:
Void- 7
Allow- 3
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Sorry I count 5 void till now, is there someone who voted through private message to LM?
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I mass pmed everyone who needs to cast a vote. 2 replied all to the pm and voted to void.
It is 7-3.
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Private messages were not enough to finalize the deal but it seems private messages clearly decided against its approval. Please close the vote, Spurs abandon the trade. I think I lost too much time on this trade, which is clearly fair, solid and in good faith but was considered null and void for pure formal reasons. Thanks to all the managers who trusted in our good faith
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Private messages were not enough to finalize the deal but it seems private messages clearly decided against its approval. Please close the vote, Spurs abandon the trade. I think I lost too much time on this trade, which is clearly fair, solid and in good faith but was considered null and void for pure formal reasons. Thanks to all the managers who trusted in our good faith
I think the trade overall was fair, but that's not the vote at hand.
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Is this trade fair? Maybe but we?re not voting on the fairness of a trade. Does it suck that you made other deals in response to this one? Sure but it?s no different than if you make a deal followed by other quick ones and the original deal gets vetoed.
Trades are not official until all parties involved post their acceptance of the deal.
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I would have approved, but if the ORL gm is leaving and never confirmed then I would have voted veto. I pretty much agree with Daddy's reasoning in the PM and personally favor cancelling all in-process deals by leaving GMs. It looks like it has already been decided anyway.
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Is this trade fair? Maybe but we?re not voting on the fairness of a trade. Does it suck that you made other deals in response to this one? Sure but it?s no different than if you make a deal followed by other quick ones and the original deal gets vetoed.
Trades are not official until all parties involved post their acceptance of the deal.
We know the rules and we always respected them.
We just think this case is pretty unique and needed to be evaluated not just looking at formal procedures.
This is not a veto, not a manager changing his plan, it is a manager stepping down just after confirming a deal through a private message.
Frankly, we expected more protection for a manager strongly committed to this league who traded in good faith, while the formal application of the rule seems to protect the future plans of a team without an owner. Obviously, it would have been different if the trade was unfair and could penalize Magic or be clearly in favour of Spurs
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I think the trade should not go ahead. Under the rules it is not valid until acceptance is posted. The reason you have rules is that it doesn't just come down to someone's opinion. If it goes ahead, you will be punishing an incoming manager who might want to build through the draft. I feel sorry that the Spurs were let down, but you can't ever rely on a trade until it is OKed.
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Null & Void