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Oilers get
D Dante Fabbro, $m (P-n/a)
G Aaron Dell, $0.5m (P-19/20)
D Danny Dekeyser, $2m (2019-2020)
2019 2nd Round Draft Pick, Philadelphia
Islanders get
G Pekka Rinne, $7m (2020-2021)
I know Pekka may only play 2-3 more years but I have been looking to improve my goalie points for a price I was willing to pay
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:EDM: Confirms. I am pretty happy with this deal as it scratches some of my to do list. LOVE my return in Dell and Fabbro.
Thanks for the deal Snugs and good luck with your team moving forward.......... :winner: :toth: :toth:
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Seems like a fairly low return for a top-5 goalie, with the best fantasy points per game for goalies (59 games played versus 65+ for the other top-5 goalies).
- Dell is a 29-year old backup
- Dekeyser is a 28-year old D-man making $2m per year for 1.08 fanpts/game (0.6/game last year) ... That production can be found on the FA market for $0.9m per year or less. To me he is a useless return piece in this trade
- 2019 2nd round pick isn't much
Only value here is Fabbro - who's good, but I don't know how well he'll do offensively, aka fantasy wise, when he's behind the likes of Subban, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm on the Nashville blueline for powerplay time and overall icetime.
Rinne will live out the life of that contract and have top value in all 3 years I think.
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Pekka will be 36 when the season starts and is in the last year of his contract. There is no guarantee that he will play 3 more years. He was horrible in the playoffs which could be from playing too many games at his age. They like Saros and will give him more games this year limiting Pekka to 45-50 beginning the transition to saros. If they resign him he will get less games in year 2 and I believe he will be the backup in year three if he dont retire before then.
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:iatp: fine line with goalies between getting good value to pretty much worthless. Rinnie was advertised for sale and he took his best offer. Cant fault him.
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:veto: refering to jmtrops as snug. Not cool there is room for only one snug
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:veto: refering to jmtrops as snug. Not cool there is room for only one snug
I saw that but was not going to say anything
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Rinnie was advertised for sale and he took his best offer. Cant fault him.
I’d be more inclined to believe that statement if it had been more than 24hrs he was on the block. Still hasn’t been...
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This is borderline for me. I think the Oilers are selling low, and maybe too low, though not as low as in the Draisaitl deal.
If this trade was posted between two established GM's I might pass it as is. That isn't the case here though, and so I am leaning towards wanting to see a better return for Edmonton. If the Islanders really think Rinne is that bad they can walk away. There are plenty of GM's that will want a top 4 goalie for the year, and for a better price. Picks and prospects are a dime-a-dozen!
Withholding my vote/veto pending further TC input and/or a re-working of the deal.
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This is borderline for me. I think the Oilers are selling low, and maybe too low, though not as low as in the Draisaitl deal.
If this trade was posted between two established GM's I might pass it as is. That isn't the case here though, and so I am leaning towards wanting to see a better return for Edmonton. If the Islanders really think Rinne is that bad they can walk away. There are plenty of GM's that will want a top 4 goalie for the year, and for a better price. Picks and prospects are a dime-a-dozen!
Withholding my vote/veto pending further TC input and/or a re-working of the deal.
the is a big difference between a player that will be 36 for the start of the season and one that is 21 so this is not comparable to draisaitl. Pekka has not said hes coming back after next year all he has said is he will be trying to win next year so because there is no guarentee how long he will play I can not offer anything significantly more. If you guys veto the trade then I will have to walk away from the deal
and what does our two experience have to do with it? if you would aprove it if we were two established GMs the deal is the same so you should approve it for us
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I find the more a GM involved in a trade tries to defend it, the more he/she knows they’re on the better end, and the more I want to veto the deal :disco:
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ok I have no problem in walking away I rescind my offer
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I think I better chime in..........
I always have and always will respect the decisions made by the TC. A lot of talk about VALUE and Pekke's past accomplishments. Every GM will put a different value on any player...... no two will be alike in my opinion.
I don't see the VALUE of 7m on a 36yr old player who is having his minutes reduced now that Sarros is in the mix. What he did 2yrs ago really isn't relevant......is it??? I think too much is put on FTP as the only basis of approving or vetoing a trade.
Another thing I want to address is GM's opinions on where a player sits in the teams depth charts. I used to really go by that and found it is like reading palms.......you just don't know. The NHL is in constant flux......and constant change. Hasn't Dougie Hamilton been traded twice.....Wasn't Cam Talbot a back up not long ago?? I hope some of you can see my point.
I will let the chips fall where they may and decide my future in this league.
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the is a big difference between a player that will be 36 for the start of the season and one that is 21 so this is not comparable to draisaitl. Pekka has not said hes coming back after next year all he has said is he will be trying to win next year so because there is no guarentee how long he will play I can not offer anything significantly more. If you guys veto the trade then I will have to walk away from the deal
and what does our two experience have to do with it? if you would aprove it if we were two established GMs the deal is the same so you should approve it for us
I agree with many of your points, and your rationale for forwarding a low bid for Rinne is sound. But I do think it is low, if only because the 2nd round pick is for 2019 and not this year. But that's just my take.
As far as the experience of the GM goes, unfortunately it does play in. Every time a new person joins there is a learning curve that gets exploited by the more seasoned GM's. It is the TC's duty to take this into consideration somewhat.
At the end of the day I have done nothing but make comment. I have neither voted in favour, nor against. If this alone is enough to scare off a GM from either the deal at hand, or the league as a whole, then clearly the commitment wasn't there to begin with.
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All I am going to say is exhibit A - Craig Anderson.
Fair trade , dont get to nit picky.
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I've had a sleep on it and will approve. Clearly the passion is there on the part of both GM's, and as I said I thought it was close to begin with. One point in Edmonton's favour that hasn't been highlighted is the fact that they save $5m on the deal.
:iatp:
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I'm finding myself aligned with Cally and SlackJack on this just in terms of our DNHL market value for goalies. For example, this just happened:
Red Wings:
C Gustav Nyquist, $3.5m (2019-2020)
G Robert Luongo, $5.3m (2018-2019)
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Hurricanes:
C Anze Kopitar, $8.3m (2020-2021)
2018 1st Round Draft Pick, Colorado, $m this year
I don't think you can argue that the return for Luongo is superior to this. It's not really about what's fair from a player to player basis. It's about what are market determines is fair.
Having said that, I believe both teams have defended their positions well, and the $5m in savings cannot be ignored. For these reasons. :iatp:
Also I wouldn't mind seeing that goalie market value decrease, so this helps :) Hey Cally wanna talk Schneider again?? :P :P :P
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I’ll :iatp:
2 guys wanting to make a trade and defending wanting to uphold the trade despite reading feedback works for me. It’s a free league and if both are content with the deal, I’m not gonna say no to them!
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ok I have no problem in walking away I rescind my offer
Maybe there’s no trade on the table anymore though.
NYI has stated that they have pulled out.
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I consider this trade very passable. I'm not sure if the Islanders were serious about backing out our if the discussion just got a little heated.
Rinne could have maybe gotten a little more, but I really think his days are numbered with Saros nipping at his heels. It would be different if the Preds didn't have an heir-apparent in waiting.
Considering the return I got for Luongo and Anderson recently, two decent but older goalies, I'd say this is better. I had those guys on the market for like 2 seasons. All Fabbro has pretty great upside, he'll be a great player in Nashville or elsewhere if he's stuck behind a logjam. The 2nd rd is decent, and Dell was getting talking about like the next Talbot or Darling... though we see what happened with Darling. Dell could be a fringe starter, even if that is unlikely.
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I consider this trade very passable. I'm not sure if the Islanders were serious about backing out our if the discussion just got a little heated.
Rinne could have maybe gotten a little more, but I really think his days are numbered with Saros nipping at his heels. It would be different if the Preds didn't have an heir-apparent in waiting.
Considering the return I got for Luongo and Anderson recently, two decent but older goalies, I'd say this is better. I had those guys on the market for like 2 seasons. All Fabbro has pretty great upside, he'll be a great player in Nashville or elsewhere if he's stuck behind a logjam. The 2nd rd is decent, and Dell was getting talking about like the next Talbot or Darling... though we see what happened with Darling. Dell could be a fringe starter, even if that is unlikely.
yes since there is only 1 opposing the trade I still accept it. and sorry i said that because I was a little frustrated that it may have been seemed by some that I was taking advantage of a new team owner.
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Not sure if anyone saw Rinne's end of season interviews, but he said about Saros “I’m personally very happy for him, seeing the success he’s having … He’ll be playing more and is only getting better. I can’t see the future, but at some point it’s time to step aside. He’s coming.” Doesn't sound like a guy who will be a full-time starter for 3 more years at 7m.
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Not sure if anyone saw Rinne's end of season interviews, but he said about Saros “I’m personally very happy for him, seeing the success he’s having … He’ll be playing more and is only getting better. I can’t see the future, but at some point it’s time to step aside. He’s coming.” Doesn't sound like a guy who will be a full-time starter for 3 more years at 7m.
yes I saw it before we made the deal, thats what I been saying. I think he will not play more than 50 games this year then who knows what will happen after that
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yes since there is only 1 opposing the trade I still accept it. and sorry i said that because I was a little frustrated that it may have been seemed by some that I was taking advantage of a new team owner.
No hard feelings 'Trops. It's all good.
You're both still happy with the proposed trade after it was scrutinized, so in my books, that's great. Both GM's happy at the end of the day = good trade!
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No hard feelings 'Trops. It's all good.
You're both still happy with the proposed trade after it was scrutinized, so in my books, that's great. Both GM's happy at the end of the day = good trade!
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Moving forward I think we should clearly address an issue that was raised here. Namely: rescinding an offer while it is being deliberated upon. Personally I don't think this is (or should be) allowed. If an offer has been made and accepted publicly, it should be binding pending the outcome of the voting process.
Would love to hear from the Commish on this.
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Fantraxed
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:thumbsup: