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Fantasy Leagues => Armchair Fantasy Baseball: Transactions => Armchair Fantasy Baseball => MLB Leagues => Armchair Fantasy Baseball: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: snbts on September 13, 2011, 09:13:20 PM
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Marlins trade
Hanley Ramirez SS
To Tampa Bay for
David Price P
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With the Astros GM leaving and not being able to work out a deal with him, I was able to work out a deal with the Rays.
We (Miami) are trading a power bat for a power pitcher who is locked up for several good years at a cheap price. With Josh Johnson and Price we have a terrifice 1-2 punch to help compete in the NL east with the Phillies. In a short series, we have a great chance of taking anyone. We are also clearing $15 million off the payroll to make a run at a few veteran free agents who can bring a championship attitude to our young club. With entering our new stadium next year, we are looking at returning to the post season and adding to our World Series hardware.
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Tampa Bay accepts. With so many young, power arms in the pipeline, we felt we could afford the loss of Price to acquire a bat like HanRam's. With tons of cap space over the next few years, taking on his salary was a non-factor in the decision making process. Losing a stud like Price is definitely going to hurt, but with an already solid 2-5 staff and top pitching prospect Matt Moore on deck, we feel like this was a must-make move for us.
Thanks to the Marlins for reaching out and for making the talks quick and easy. :toast:
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Any T C Members in this league. Just curious if it is a bat heavy scoring league or pretty even.
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Any T C Members in this league. Just curious if it is a bat heavy scoring league or pretty even.
Right, the league scoring might swing my vote. Though, given Hanley's salary and my previously stated opinion on him, I'm likely to approve either way. Would still like to know, though. If this was New Era, for instance, which is a points matchup league, Hanley is FAR more valuable than Price.
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Can someone please provide the fantasy points by year for 2009-11 for both players?
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I have asked the commissioner and two managers to supply scoring data. I know Hanley makes 15m, but can't what value Price is at. It states clearing 15m, so Price must be minimal.
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AFB Scoring System
Batting
Category Points Per Stat Total Points
Total Bases 1 860055
RBIs 1 216738
Net SB 1 16594
Runs 1 227517
K -1 -321681
Sacrifice 1 13707
Pitching
Category Points Per Stat Total Points
IP 3 1299408.999
Hits -1 -439821
Saves 6 72636
Wins 12 291456
Losses -5 -121440
ER -2 -419438
Holds 6 109440
Walks -1 -160031
Fielding
Category Points Per Stat Total Points
Putouts 0.2 259875.2
Assists 0.2 98819.2
Errors -1 -30879
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Givin the scoring system (odd that K's are not a part of it)
I do approve this trade!
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So, on average pitchers score less than half of what hitters score overall? Maybe I'm understanding that wrong? Or maybe my math is bad, lol...
I mean, it makes sense for a points league assuming there's no strict IP limit. But, that makes Davis severely less valuable.
Sorry to be a pain in the butt but if we could see point totals for those 2 players it would be helpful.
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Marlins trade
Hanley Ramirez SS
To Tampa Bay for
David Price P
I know this is a contracts league. Please provide contract info as this is critical for a trade.
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So, on average pitchers score less than half of what hitters score overall? Maybe I'm understanding that wrong? Or maybe my math is bad, lol...
I mean, it makes sense for a points league assuming there's no strict IP limit. But, that makes Davis severely less valuable.
Sorry to be a pain in the butt but if we could see point totals for those 2 players it would be helpful.
It is a startup league, there is no available points data to list.
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I know this is a contracts league. Please provide contract info as this is critical for a trade.
2012 2013 2014 2015
Hanley Ramirez: 15M 16M 16M
David Price: 1.5M 1.5M 1.5M 1.5M
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It is a startup league, there is no available points data to list.
If the league is set up you should still be able to get this data.
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Bleh, whatever. I'm not going to veto this even if my math is right. Stud pitcher for stud hitter. If hitters are scoring twice as much as pitchers the salary makes up for the difference.
:iatp:
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If the league is set up you should still be able to get this data.
Mike told me that the league is not setup in a scoring type site yet.
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If the league is set up you should still be able to get this data.
The league is not on fantrax or any other site at this point, merely rosters via spreadsheet, teams picked and now in process of rookie draft. I believe he is waiting to put it on ProFSL's scoring, thus the lack of a league setup.
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:iatp:
Stud for Stud. Hanley's $$$ and the potential uncertainty with his shoulder make this an ok move.
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:iatp:
Hanley , if healthy, is a stud and long term he will be fine, even if he has to move off of SS. Price is a beast with alot more room to grow and his contract is sweet in this league. Assuming hitters point wise are more valuable, then the contract disparity evens this out. I am good with it.
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ley Ramirez:
2012 - $15M
2013 - $16M
2014 - $16M
David Price
2012 - $1.5M
2013 - "Arbitration" - Will be actual MLB 2012 salary
2014 - "Arbitration" - Will be actual MLB 2013 salary
2015 - "Arbitration" - Will be actual MLB 2013 salary
Scoring is 49% batting, 38% pitching, 13% fielding. I was trying to get as close to 48/36/16 as possible, which is what Bill James theorizes is each component's contribution to the game.
Please take a look at the attached spreadsheet before making any assumptions on scoring. The last worksheet is a comparison for Hanley Ramirez and David Price for the past 3 years. The first 3 worksheets are what I used to determine the point value for each statistic.
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Stud for stud. Works for me. I agree with Robo concept as well.
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i approve and LOVE the price side i think Hanley is the most overrated player in baseball! he is lazy!!!! good trade
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Do we have a consensus on this then??
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:judge: - approved with 6 yes
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Processed as transaction #149.