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ProFSL History Books => Dynasty NHL: Transactions => Dynasty NHL => NHL Archive => Dynasty NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: Rob on September 01, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
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Canadiens get:
G Michael Leighton, $1.6m (2011-2012)
Kings get:
D Nathan Beaulieu, $m (P-2011)
F Olivier Archambault, $m (P-2011)
1M Cash
veto because of your profile picture...
just kidding :iatp:
I accept. :judge:
Thats a lot to give for a Goalie that probably will play the entire year in the AHL. PHI has Bryz and Bob, Leighton wont get a sniff all year IMO, so a good prospect, another prospect AND a million cash is pretty high price for nothing
I agree with Bean and I veto.
You veto guys aren't seeing the big picture. The Habs gave up 1m in cash and took on 1.6m, but the brewcrew bid on Gomez so half of his 7.4m would come off the books for the Habs if I'm not mistaken. A little back door dealing never hurt nobody.
I've gotta agree with Corey here. Like it or not that bid on Gomez is part of this deal. I'm inclined to approve but with 2 vetoes I'm going to send this to the ProFSL TC for approval.
Prior to this deal the Canadiens released Scott Gomez and will owe him $7.4 for 3 years. Per DNHL rules if a released player is picked up by another team, the releasing team receives a 50% reduction to the players cap hit. The owner of the Kings has put a bid on Gomez, so, behind the scenes here the Canadiens are receiving $3.7m in cap relief.
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Well I already voted on tis one in DNHL and said Veto, so im staying the same as what if someone outbids LA on Gomez then the complexity of the deal changes. I see the back door dealing (which I didnt at first vote) so I understand where its coming from more now. Also, there are more than just LA bidding on Gomez (who could be a 50-60 point producer on a VERY low contract if won) and LA is not even the current leader in the bid.
I see the logic but still doesnt really make sence as anyone in the league could get to bid on Gomez and give MTL the cap releif, so giving LA 2 prospects and a Million in cash just to bid on him doesnt really make it approvable
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I veto like Beantown said 2 solid prospects and 1m cash for a guy who won't get a sniff of the NHL unless an injury happens is why to much. I understand the whole Goemz thing but this trade is not passable in my eyes. Sorry Boys :toast:
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Realistically, MTL is getting $2.7M and Leighton for the two prospects.
That's passable no?
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Realistically, MTL is getting $2.7M and Leighton for the two prospects.
That's passable no?
Montreal is Giving 1M up and taking on 1.6M in salary to cut 3.7M of salary. They net 0.9M in salary cap space.
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Realistically, MTL is getting $2.7M and Leighton for the two prospects.
That's passable no?
But your not even necessarily going to win Gomez so why would you get 2 prospects and a Million in cash?? LOL
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Montreal is Giving 1M up and taking on 1.6M in salary to cut 3.7M of salary. They net 0.9M in salary cap space.
It's actually $1.1M, plus the prospects are $.2M, so it's like $1.5M total.
But your not even necessarily going to win Gomez so why would you get 2 prospects and a Million in cash?? LOL
Gomez's contract is still part of the deal, whether I admit to it or not! :rofl:
Shedding his contract is a big deal
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To me, whether LA wins the bid or not at this point is irrelevant. You can make the argument that Gomez would have been bid on at some point either way, but that's also irrelevant since the money he's saving now is valuable given that FA bidding just started and there's lots of good talent on the market. Montreal wants the cap space to use in FA bidding now and is willing to shed some prospects to do it. I understand both sides of the argument, but in the end I'm going to approve. These are prospects we're talking about here. One projects to be a very good defenseman, the other is just OK in my mind. If Montreal is comfortable trading them now in exchange for cap breathing room I'm fine with it.
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"The Blackhawks and Hurricanes Trade:
on: July 12, 2011, 08:00:02 AM ยป
Hurricanes trade: D Tim Gleason and this years 5th round pick (....Ryan Strome)
for
Blackhawks: G Cristobal Huet and this years 2nd round pick (...Blake Wheeler)
This should help out the blackhawks cap crunch and I scoop up a higher round pick.
Win, win
What is so different about my deal then the one approved without a veto or negative comment?
I think Michael Leighton has a better chance of landing a starting role this year than Huet. IMO
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I have no idea why Gomez is even mentioned here. He is not part of the trade. I have also have no idea what will happen with Michael Leighton in the future. Nathan Beaulieu is good prospect so give the edge to LA in this trade. It is not too one sided as both sides are taking a some sort of risk.
Canadiens get:
G Michael Leighton, $1.6m (2011-2012)
Kings get:
D Nathan Beaulieu, $m (P-2011)
F Olivier Archambault, $m (P-2011)
1M Cash
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Looks ok to me but the prospect is a 1st round pick which should hold higher value then a backup (at best) goalie
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I don't understand how this trade gets 2 :iatp:. I broke it down as a high end prospect, a mid level prospect and 1m in cash. I don't think we should even consider the Goemz thing as it is not part of this trade. I know that if I traded a back-up goalie who has an NHL job for a high end prospect, and a mid-level prospect that trade would be shot down faster then I could blink, and yet we are letting an AHL goalie go for a that price, no way in hell this should even be here, this should have been shot down by the leagues TC a long time ago.
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That was my point as well when I said Veto..... A lot of people seem to be ok with it though and I cant really understand the logic behind it. Leighton is technically not in the NHL right now, so its like trading for nothing at all but a small ammt of cap space. So I think LA benefits WAY too much for just getting cap space for MTL, LA doesnt even take anything on and they get rid of dead weight in Leighton
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I have no idea why Gomez is even mentioned here. He is not part of the trade. I have also have no idea what will happen with Michael Leighton in the future. Nathan Beaulieu is good prospect so give the edge to LA in this trade. It is not too one sided as both sides are taking a some sort of risk.
Canadiens get:
G Michael Leighton, $1.6m (2011-2012)
Kings get:
D Nathan Beaulieu, $m (P-2011)
F Olivier Archambault, $m (P-2011)
1M Cash
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Agreed. Gomez does not matter. It is a sale of Leighton who is on a one-year deal and provides goalie depth in a 20-team league. In return are two prospects and cash.
Solid deal to me.
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Agreed. Gomez does not matter. It is a sale of Leighton who is on a one-year deal and provides goalie depth in a 20-team league. In return are two prospects and cash.
Solid deal to me.
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Leighton won't even play in the NHL the Flyers already announced that due to cap reasons he will play the remainder of his contract in the AHL and most likely won't be resigned. so how is it a solid deal?? I just don't understand and would like some clarity.
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no way in hell this should even be here, this should have been shot down by the leagues TC a long time ago.
Our league is using the ProFSL TC for this reason entirely. I wanted to move controversial trades out of the league to avoid tension between fellow owners in the league. I've seen lots of drama in other leagues due to trades and I didn't want it. So, that's why it's here. On whether or not Gomez should be considered in evaluating this trade, that's the TC members prerogative. If you don't want to consider it you shouldn't. The notion that we should all evaluate trades the same way defeats the purpose of a committee. If certain members choose to consider the Gomez accommodation I don't see a problem with it. I chose to view this one a certain way, but I've made my view clear, I think, so I won't belabor the point.
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Leighton won't even play in the NHL the Flyers already announced that due to cap reasons he will play the remainder of his contract in the AHL and most likely won't be resigned. so how is it a solid deal?? I just don't understand and would like some clarity.
I have to agree with you here Jesse. Why do this trade if this is the case?
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Our league is using the ProFSL TC for this reason entirely. I wanted to move controversial trades out of the league to avoid tension between fellow owners in the league. I've seen lots of drama in other leagues due to trades and I didn't want it. So, that's why it's here. On whether or not Gomez should be considered in evaluating this trade, that's the TC members prerogative. If you don't want to consider it you shouldn't. The notion that we should all evaluate trades the same way defeats the purpose of a committee. If certain members choose to consider the Gomez accommodation I don't see a problem with it. I chose to view this one a certain way, but I've made my view clear, I think, so I won't belabor the point.
:iatp: People who are not on the TC should not be making comments here. IMO What do you guys think? or do you guys think it is OK because they don't have a vote and only an opinion?
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:iatp: People who are not on the TC should not be making comments here. IMO What do you guys think? or do you guys think it is OK because they don't have a vote and only an opinion?
I don't have a problem with people in the trade explaining it here. ie Whomp and myself.
otherwise, if you aren't a part of the deal or on the TC I agree.
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I think only TC members should comment I do not think even the teams involved should comment. I think maybe an explanation of why they did the trade and maybe answer a question if asked but I don't think they should comment as they will just complain if the trade doesn't go their way
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I would also like to see the voting process hidden if possible so the members of the trade do not know how we voted and so they do not hold grudges on us for doing our job.
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I would also like to see the voting process hidden if possible so the members of the trade do not know how we voted and so they do not hold grudges on us for doing our job.
Kind of hard when the person making the trade is on the TC. :o
With the number of people on each TC, it would be hard to hold a grudge against like 8 people lol
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I would also like to see the voting process hidden if possible so the members of the trade do not know how we voted and so they do not hold grudges on us for doing our job.
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:iatp: Hopefully Leighton can get some playing time, wherever that may be. Edge to LA all the way.
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I suppose you could just do a poll, but that defeats the entire purpose of the TC, as you don't get feedback on how to fix it.
However, I think a poll cause a lot of trouble the reverse way. Where I could just veto any trade that Rob makes, without reason, cause I don't like him.
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I've got to say veto... No dice here from me.
Take out a prospect, and it's passable enough to get an approval from me.
Technically as of right now Leighton is in the NHL, but barring Bobrovsky getting traded or injured/Bryzgalov getting injured in training camp, the only way Leighton sees NHL action is to be traded.
This sort of situation shouldn't warrant 2 prospects and cash IMO.
A prospect and cash for Leighton is passable... The guy is a career backup goalie, who made a magical run to the cup finals, with a very strong defense in front of him, and a lot of good 2-way forwards. It's not like he stole the show, or has been amazing in reg season NHL. Not to mention a huge back surgery last year that cost him a lot of the season, and raises questions about his health.
And yes, what the heck does S.Gomez have to do with the trade accepted? He's not directly involved in this trade, so no consideration should be given to him, or that situation. We're here to evaluate the trade on the table, not other happenings in the league, that MIGHT affect the outcome of some team's cap.
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And yes, what the heck does S.Gomez have to do with the trade accepted? He's not directly involved in this trade, so no consideration should be given to him, or that situation. We're here to evaluate the trade on the table, not other happenings in the league, that MIGHT affect the outcome of some team's cap.
I would disagree, as he was directly part of the trade, but to each it's own.
Thanks for voting.
AHEM PEOPLE, I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE RESULT HERE!!!!
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There are some good FAs out there and I WOULD LOVE to know if I have money or not, thanks.
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And yes, what the heck does S.Gomez have to do with the trade accepted? He's not directly involved in this trade, so no consideration should be given to him, or that situation. We're here to evaluate the trade on the table, not other happenings in the league, that MIGHT affect the outcome of some team's cap.
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The deal that was placed in front of us does not include S.Gomez.
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The deal that was placed in front of us does not include S.Gomez.
I can edit the post if you'd like?
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I can edit the post if you'd like?
But he wasn't part of the Deal what if another GM out bidded you on Gomez and then you couldn't afford him
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But he wasn't part of the Deal what if another GM out bidded you on Gomez and then you couldn't afford him
I have enough money for whatever Gomez goes for, but that doesn't matter.
Like I said, we can redo the deal and add the Gomez part if you'd like?
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I have enough money for whatever Gomez goes for, but that doesn't matter.
Like I said, we can redo the deal and add the Gomez part if you'd like?
But does Montreal Own Gomez??
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But does Montreal Own Gomez??
He owns a 7.4M contract for him, yes.
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He owns a 7.4M contract for him, yes.
From what I understand if the season started tomorrow Gomez would not collect points for Montreal because he was bought out meaning Montreal no longer holds that players rights. Which to my understanding you can't trade something that you don't have. I stated my opinion and my mind will not be changed. I don't want to argue :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: Everyone
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From what I understand if the season started tomorrow Gomez would not collect points for Montreal because he was bought out meaning Montreal no longer holds that players rights. Which to my understanding you can't trade something that you don't have. I stated my opinion and my mind will not be changed. I don't want to argue :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: Everyone
If it won't pass, then we will redo it with his contract and have the exact same result.
Gomez is a part of the deal whether you want to think it or not.
Can we PLEASE get more people to vote on this? or new Hockey TC members?
It's been over 2 days and we have like 6 votes.... That's horrible!
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From what I understand if the season started tomorrow Gomez would not collect points for Montreal because he was bought out meaning Montreal no longer holds that players rights. Which to my understanding you can't trade something that you don't have. I stated my opinion and my mind will not be changed. I don't want to argue :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: Everyone
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Gomez is not switching teams in this trade ... The two teams involved anyways.
This is why the Gomez part is irrelevant to te trade presented to the TC here. That is a whole matter. While it may affect a team's cap space, it is not part of the two teams involved doing the deal.
Sorry Brew.
I understand the situation, but for the TC purposes, we can't factor in the Gomez situation, even if it makes sense.
A trade is a trade.
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Gomez is not switching teams in this trade ... The two teams involved anyways.
This is why the Gomez part is irrelevant to the trade presented to the TC here. That is a whole matter. While it may affect a team's cap space, it is not part of the two teams involved doing the deal.
Sorry Brew.
I understand the situation, but for the TC purposes, we can't factor in the Gomez situation, even if it makes sense.
A trade is a trade.
LIKE I SAID.... If you want us to add him into the deal so that you all can clearly see he is involved, WE WILL!
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LIKE I SAID.... If you want us to add him into the deal so that you all can clearly see he is involved, WE WILL!
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Suggestion:
IF you still physically OWN him on your roster, do up a revised trade and submit it to the TC for approval.
This msg post is too cluttered now.
Just re-submit your re-worked trade and we'll all review it man, simple as that.
Hope this helps,
Cheers
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Suggestion:
IF you still physically OWN him on your roster, do up a revised trade and submit it to the TC for approval.
This msg post is too cluttered now.
Just re-submit your re-worked trade and we'll all review it man, simple as that.
Hope this helps,
Cheers
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If the trade is vetoed, I would be more than happy to do that.
However, I believe the vote is 4-3 and there are 1 or 2 people left to vote.
I really don't wanna repost it since this has already taken over 48 hours with no final result.
P.S. sorry if I sounded like jerk, I'm just ticked off that this hasn't past yet...
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If the trade is vetoed, I would be more than happy to do that.
However, I believe the vote is 4-3 and there are 1 or 2 people left to vote.
I really don't wanna repost it since this has already taken over 48 hours with no final result.
P.S. sorry if I sounded like jerk, I'm just ticked off that this hasn't past yet...
No worries Brew. I didn't realize there was a trade till I got a PM about TC members not weighing in yet.
I thought somehow all TC members would get a PM regarding a newly posted trade, soon after it is submitted to this board.
But I know how you feel when you make a trade and it sits for a while, so I get your frustration. No hard feelings.
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We are having a professional TC endorsed by ProFSL used by multiple leagues. Participating leagues would move trades to a special board. Pro TC members who have a knowledge of the rules of participating leagues as well as their scoring systems would vote on the trade and provide reasons why they approve or veto. Trades do not necessarily have to have equal value as everyone values players differently. The TC is paid in the form of ProFSL points for that sport's Invitational. Once a decision is made, the trade thread is moved back to the transactions board of the league. Players involved in the pending trade may not be moved while trade is in the voting stage. The TC board could be ten people deep with perhaps only four approvals needed so that a trade doesn't need to wait for every TC member to vote. This speeds up the process for all leagues and adds a governing body outside the league.
12 - People on each TC staff.
8 - People need to vote on a trade.
5 - Approvals are needed to pass a trade.
4 - Vetoes are required to reject a trade.
48 - If eight votes aren't in, but a decision can be made to accept or reject trade, then the trade will be approved/rejected after 48 hours
Trade Commitee
Drew (HOF, Mod, TC leader) Approved
Colby (HOF, Admin) Approved
E.J. (HOF, Mod) X
Rest of Staff
Robo Approved
Jesse X
Tony Approved
hockeyfreak6000
BeanTown X
hankndank X
winter Approved
BrewCrew Cannot Vote
codytaylor89
I count 5 approved
4 nay
2 no-show
1 involved in trade
What's the verdict?
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12 - People on each TC staff.
8 - People need to vote on a trade.
5 - Approvals are needed to pass a trade.
4 - Vetoes are required to reject a trade.
48 - If eight votes aren't in, but a decision can be made to accept or reject trade, then the trade will be approved/rejected after 48 hours
I count 5 approved
4 nay
2 no-show
1 involved in trade
What's the verdict?
It has enough passes and vetoes for either, however, since it's 5-4 and 48 hours have passed, I am assuming it has passed?
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it has 5 approvals and 4 vetoes. If I'm reading right that's enough to pass and veto the trade, lol. I think we need some input from the admins here.
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it has 5 approvals and 4 vetoes. If I'm reading right that's enough to pass and veto the trade, lol. I think we need some input from the admins here.
Great, that'll take a week....
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Let me find the no shows ASAP
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48 - If eight votes aren't in, but a decision can be made to accept or reject trade, then the trade will be approved/rejected after 48 hours.
Your rules.
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48 - If eight votes aren't in, but a decision can be made to accept or reject trade, then the trade will be approved/rejected after 48 hours.
Your rules.
Correct. This trade is approved. :judge:
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48 - If eight votes aren't in, but a decision can be made to accept or reject trade, then the trade will be approved/rejected after 48 hours.
Your rules.
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Get 'er done!
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The fact this trade got approved is a travesty and I think a black mark on the ProSFL TC. No offense but your eyes were closed on this deal.
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No Comment.
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i am not blaming you for taking the trade or arguing your case to get the trade through. I would do the same.
I just think Montreal got hosed (you should have traded him a pick to take Leighton's contract off your hands). It is approved now and I didn't say anything during the debate process on purpose since i didn't want to skew anyone's vote. Just couldn't help but at least voice my opinion for future trades.
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i am not blaming you for taking the trade or arguing your case to get the trade through. I would do the same.
I just think Montreal got hosed (you should have traded him a pick to take Leighton's contract off your hands). It is approved now and I didn't say anything during the debate process on purpose since i didn't want to skew anyone's vote. Just couldn't help but at least voice my opinion for future trades.
No matter what anyone here said, or will say, Gomez's contract was a big part of the trade.
Maybe it's not part of it here, but that's why Whomp did it.
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I proposed the deal, BrewCrew did not take advantage of me.
Is that what you wanted me to say?
U could say I made him an offer no man could refuse.
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I proposed the deal, BrewCrew did not take advantage of me.
Is that what you wanted me to say?
You could say I made him an offer no man could refuse.
If you include Gomez's contract, I think it's a pretty good deal.
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Regardless, the deal was processed so it's water under the bridge at this point, but all-in-all it's probably one of the worst i've seen put through in any league i've been in. The thing about Gomez is that Brew has no ownership in that player so its NOT part of the deal, he opened a 200K bid on Gomez, thats all..... Worse came to worse he gets a potential 50-60 point scorer for 200K for 2 years? Brew got 1 million in cash, 1 first rounder and 1 prospect AND he offloaded Leighton who has now been assigned to the ECHL. I understand Whomp got the discount because of the bid, but it was inevetible that someone would at least put a 200K bid on him. But what did Whomp save 4 million was it? But he took on a deal weight salary for Leighton and gave away 1 million in cash.
Anyway, I could babble all day but it's done and pushed through, i'm just very surprised that anyone at all could see this as an approvable deal in the least.....
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If you include Gomez's contract, I think it's a pretty good deal.
Nope it isn't. I guess my problem is a see Leighton as a liability and not an asset to a team. So in my eyes he gave up 2 good prospects, 1 million dollars and took on another bad contract of 1.7 just for you to put a 200k bid on Gomez a 50-60pt player.
I proposed the deal, BrewCrew did not take advantage of me.
Is that what you wanted me to say?
U could say I made him an offer no man could refuse.
I think it was a bad deal for you whether you proposed it or not, but everyone is guilty of making a bad deal here and there.
In this case I am more harping on the ProSFL TC because I don't think they properly did their homework. I have commissioned a few leagues for the past 5 years and never found the 3rd party TC to work well. The guys don't have a depth knowledge of what players values are in the league because it can vary by a lot depending on scoring categories, wavier rules, number of players, etc.
I have respect for Robo and the guys in it I just dont think you can do a proper job without being in the league.