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Fantasy Leagues => Armchair Fantasy Baseball: Transactions => Armchair Fantasy Baseball => MLB Leagues => Armchair Fantasy Baseball: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: snbts on August 31, 2011, 08:54:54 PM
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Houston trades
Michael Bourn OF, Delino Deshields 2nd (Single A), 1st round 2011 (#1)
to the Marlins for
Hanley Ramirez SS, Ricky Nolasco SP
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The reason I made this trade is due to the fact that I due not believe that Hanley is the future of the Marlin franchise. He has the talent but I dont believe the work ethic I am looking for. Ricky Nolasco in my opinion is not worth the 9-12 million he will be making over the next 2 yrs. Although he is good, I think I can pick up another arm at a better price. I am able to take quite a bit of money off my payroll with this trade and put it to better use in other areas. The opportunity to get Bourn at least for a year and adding the speed and potental of Deshields along with the #1 pick was too good to pass on.
I also believe this will help out the Astros with the Major League talent they will be acquiring. This does add a quality arm to their staff and a dangerous bat to their line up.
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As soon as HJ responds to this thread confirming this trade, I will send this to the ProFSL Trade Committee for review.
Because this trade will likely not be processed by the ProFSL TC prior to the start of the amateur draft, I will conditionally allow the Marlins to make the first pick in the amateur draft. In the event that the trade is veto'ed, the player selected by the Marlins with Round 1 - Pick 1, will be placed on the Astros roster.
This rule will apply for all similar situations in this draft and future drafts. This amendment will be added to the League Constitution in the next update.
If anybody disagrees, please let me know.
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I made this trade because i think Hanley Ramirez will bounce back from a down year.Getting him is a real improvement to my line-up.
Nolasco is till getting better each year,he's gonna be my nr 2 starter for years to come.
Trading this kind of talent for Bourn,Deshields and nr #1 pick will make my team better immediately.
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What are the contracts on these guys?
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I would almost suggest that the Marlins take a player they know Houston will be ok with, as I see a very good chance this deal gets vetoed. Just my two cents, but would hate to see either team not be happy this early in the process.
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Hanley Ramirez: 2012 - $15M, 2013 - $16M, 2014 - $16M
Ricky Nolasco: 2012 - $9M, 2013 - $12M
Michael Bourn: 2012 - $4.4M
Delino DeShields, Jr. - Not on 40 man roster. 6 years service time remaining once placed in majors.
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Any comments from the TC?
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I would have to agree with Vols. I think the Astros should get another player at least.
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Houston trades
Michael Bourn OF, Delino Deshields 2nd (Single A), 1st round 2011 (#1)
to the Marlins for
Hanley Ramirez SS, Ricky Nolasco SP
Much more value can be acquired for Hanley and Ricky. I veto this deal.
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Sorry for the delay in responding. I saw this and at the time I was very busy and figured I'd put it off until I had more time to think about it, with such big names being traded. After looking over it, I will approve. These names are big but so are the payrolls behind them. As a Sox fan I've been watching Hanley for a long time and I've been very discouraged by his performance the last 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he bounced back but on the other side I wouldn't be surprised if he depreciates even more, given his poor work ethic. With the size of his contract I can't blame the Marlins GM for dealing him. Nolasco is a very good pitcher, but is quite pricey as well. I can't say this is what I'd want to get back for these two names but I don't see this as overly lopsided. The Marlins are saving a lot of money and strengthening their draft position going forward.
:iatp:
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what's the salary cap situation of the both team?
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Rosters are attached. Cells highlighted in red just means I haven't been able to find their salaries yet, so it's a safe bet to assume $400k. Cells highlighted in yellow mean they cannot be released without paying the entirety of the remainder of their contract.
Currently, Miami has approximately $63M committed for 2012 and Houston has approximately $72M committed for 2012. The cap is at $125M.
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Unless I am missing something, Michael's vote should not count towards this trade as he is not on the PROFSL TC of any sport although he would make a fine addition. I am also on the AFB TC and I thought about this trade hard after I reread rules. As I have said before, I am not a fan at all of vetoing trades, but this one is an exception. Hanley is expensive, but thats the going rate for a SS when you have put up his type of numbers. Nolasco is around the 40ish best SP and he too will only get more expensive. Together however, they are worth more than a draft pick and a prospect. I use this philosophy when looking at trades especially in baseball. Prospects are great to own and great trade bait, but that's all they are is prospects. They could be colossal busts and the receiving team gets nothing in return. I feel like EJ and Michael said anyway, more quality players need to be sent the other way. I veto this trade.
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I get the point to this deal, but believe more should be obtained by Fla. Nolasco could easily net deshields, if not more. Hamlet needs to obtain more. Veto.
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I get the point to this deal, but believe more should be obtained by Fla. Nolasco could easily net deshields, if not more. Hamlet needs to obtain more. Veto.
Exactly. The Marlins have tons of cap space as is, so what's the real motivation here?
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Do we have a consensus?
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Trade has been evaluated for more than 48 hours, it is vetoed by consensus. We do encourage the teams to go back to the table to negotiate.