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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Rules Changes => Franchise GM: History Books => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Clarifications & Discussion => Topic started by: rcankosy on August 02, 2011, 11:27:49 PM
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If any really high-priced player (A-Rod, Pujols, Sabathia, Johan) were dropped now, chances are he'd be signed for well below market. I took a quick scan at the cap space for some of the teams and the most I saw on any given team was $5m. It hasn't happened yet, because most high-priced players are on teams in contention. However, the potential is there for the future, so I wanted to throw it out there. One possible way to prevent it would be to not allow teams to sign other team's cuts after the trade deadline.
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Food for thought.
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You don't think the high priced cap hits a team incurs that come along with releasing a high salary player would already deter this kind of practice, Roy? My guess this is why we haven't seen any of those big guys released.
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Plus in real life, Pat Burrell was released by TB last season. I know he isn't what some would consider a big name, but he was signed for I believe 8 mil. Giants picked up off the scrap heap for league minimum.
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Plus in real life, Pat Burrell was released by TB last season. I know he isn't what some would consider a big name, but he was signed for I believe 8 mil. Giants picked up off the scrap heap for league minimum.
It hasn't happened in the past two years, and no one was dropped of significance in the first two days of August.
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I agree with Roy that it's definitely worth considering. If for instance, someone took over a small market team that had previously traded for A-Rod but had no chance of winning in the near future, there would definitely be a case for releasing the player as they might not be able to find a trade partner. If that were to happen, and if any interested teams maxed out at say $5.0M in available cap space, it would definitely lead to an unrealistic situation - in MLB there is no hard cap and teams could keep bidding as needed.
I'm not sure what a good solution is, but do think this is worth considering.
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So we should limit the players available for pick ups? NO! If you drop him that's the risk you take. Don't stop other teams from making moves because you want to cut cap but dont want that player going away for peanuts. Really, this is honestly a terrible proposal. Lets not allow teams to bid on free agents...seriously?
Another conundrum if we instituted this proposal; why would a released Arod sit on the free agent market and not be picked up?
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So we should limit the players available for pick ups? NO! If you drop him that's the risk you take. Don't stop other teams from making moves because you want to cut cap but dont want that player going away for peanuts. Really, this is honestly a terrible proposal. Lets not allow teams to bid on free agents...seriously?
Another conundrum if we instituted this proposal; why would a released Arod sit on the free agent market and not be picked up?
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My specific concern was what would happen if the Mets released A-Rod outright if a trade partner could not be found during the waiver process.
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Then that is what happens... we can't control everything. If that is what a team chooses to do, then so be it. I could foresee Arod being dropped towards the end of his contract, regardless of who owns him. Andru Jones was once an elite player on a doody contract, and the he was released, and he was signed for a very reasonable amount. I realize it is apples and oranges, but there is only so much we can control and prepare for.
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So we should limit the players available for pick ups? NO! If you drop him that's the risk you take. Don't stop other teams from making moves because you want to cut cap but dont want that player going away for peanuts. Really, this is honestly a terrible proposal. Lets not allow teams to bid on free agents...seriously?
Another conundrum if we instituted this proposal; why would a released Arod sit on the free agent market and not be picked up?
I don't think you're getting Roy's point - it's not that he wouldn't be picked up, it's that there is no cap in MLB and teams would pay him his full market value. In our league, there is very little available cap space after the deadline so we would artificially drive down the salary.
There is no proposal on how to fix it, only a note that this could be a concern. I'm not sure why you'd think that's a bad idea.
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Then that is what happens... we can't control everything. If that is what a team chooses to do, then so be it. I could foresee Arod being dropped towards the end of his contract, regardless of who owns him. Andru Jones was once an elite player on a doody contract, and the he was released, and he was signed for a very reasonable amount. I realize it is apples and oranges, but there is only so much we can control and prepare for.
We can control it. I propose that we do NOT allow teams to drops players making in excess of 15m DURING the season. The question now is whether we WANT to control it.
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We can control it. I propose that we do NOT allow teams to drops players making in excess of 15m DURING the season. The question now is whether we WANT to control it.
Thats rediculous. A team can drop any player at any time they want. Just like real life.
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Thats rediculous. A team can drop any player at any time they want. Just like real life.
Teams in real life have no incentive to give outright releases to producing yet over-paid players, because they are on the hook for 100% of their salary. That is not the case here. Last year, I specifically released Michael Young who was making 16m per season AFTER the FA signing period ended to avoid this situation.
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In this league there is a benefit to dropping the player after the trade deadline to avoid the cap hit. A team should be able to drop a guy whenever they sit fit, no matter who it is or how much they are making
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In this league there is a benefit to dropping the player after the trade deadline to avoid the cap hit. A team should be able to drop a guy whenever they sit fit, no matter who it is or how much they are making
That is correct, but teams could cut their players after 8/21 and still reap the same cost savings. After 8/21, FA has ended so we would not have to deal with this situation. For the record, I am not singling you out. I picked A-Rod, because he was the best example I could think of. I did not mean to imply that you were going release him.
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That is correct, but teams could cut their players after 8/21 and still reap the same cost savings. After 8/21, FA has ended so we would not have to deal with this situation. For the record, I am not singling you out. I picked A-Rod, because he was the best example I could think of. I did not mean to imply that you were going release him.
No hard feelings, I didnt feel singled out, I just feel that we should still have the ability to drop him anytime thats all.
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I don't think you're getting Roy's point - it's not that he wouldn't be picked up, it's that there is no cap in MLB and teams would pay him his full market value. In our league, there is very little available cap space after the deadline so we would artificially drive down the salary.
There is no proposal on how to fix it, only a note that this could be a concern. I'm not sure why you'd think that's a bad idea.
I get it very well. But his solution is to stop teams from picking players up....that is ridiculous.
Then that is what happens... we can't control everything. If that is what a team chooses to do, then so be it. I could foresee Arod being dropped towards the end of his contract, regardless of who owns him. Andru Jones was once an elite player on a doody contract, and the he was released, and he was signed for a very reasonable amount. I realize it is apples and oranges, but there is only so much we can control and prepare for.
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I get it very well. But his solution is to stop teams from picking players up....that is ridiculous.
Read my last proposal again. I simply proposed that we limit the release of high-priced players. Interested teams would then have the cap room to make a fair market bid in the off-season. Teams could cut such players from 8/22 (FA has ended) to the start oif the regular season. Is that really such an unfair restriction on rebuilding teams?
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Read my last proposal again. I simply proposed that we limit the release of high-priced players. Interested teams would then have the cap room to make a fair market bid in the off-season. Teams could cut such players from 8/22 (FA has ended) to the start oif the regular season. Is that really such an unfair restriction on rebuilding teams?
Absolutely, it is.
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Read my last proposal again. I simply proposed that we limit the release of high-priced players. Interested teams would then have the cap room to make a fair market bid in the off-season. Teams could cut such players from 8/22 (FA has ended) to the start oif the regular season. Is that really such an unfair restriction on rebuilding teams?
We should just limit it from the other direction, that player can not be signed until FA starts. If AROD goes to jail tomorrow for five years, more of an NFL scenario, for his role in gambling ring, we can't say Corey can't drop him. I don't think that we should control any team from dropping someone, we just restrict the ability for a new team to pay under market value for such a player.
Proposal any player making more than $15m in a year and dropped must be resigned to the same contract, if signed. If not the player would remain in the pool until FA comes along after the season.
It is a good point, just need to limit what your point is, not restrict a GM from a legal action. Just my opinion.
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We should just limit it from the other direction, that player can not be signed until FA starts. If AROD goes to jail tomorrow for five years, more of an NFL scenario, for his role in gambling ring, we can't say Corey can't drop him. I don't think that we should control any team from dropping someone, we just restrict the ability for a new team to pay under market value for such a player.
Proposal any player making more than $15m in a year and dropped must be resigned to the same contract, if signed. If not the player would remain in the pool until FA comes along after the season.
It is a good point, just need to limit what your point is, not restrict a GM from a legal action. Just my opinion.
I like the direction this is going. Instead of picking the arbitrary 15M, how about this: any player must be signed to a contract greater than or equal to its current market value (using 2 year average like it's done for extensions) after the trading deadline?
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I like the direction this is going. Instead of picking the arbitrary 15M, how about this: any player must be signed to a contract greater than or equal to its current market value (using 2 year average like it's done for extensions) after the trading deadline?
Except some players would be over payed for their services. We can't regulate down to the nth degree.
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We should just limit it from the other direction, that player can not be signed until FA starts. If AROD goes to jail tomorrow for five years, more of an NFL scenario, for his role in gambling ring, we can't say Corey can't drop him. I don't think that we should control any team from dropping someone, we just restrict the ability for a new team to pay under market value for such a player.
Proposal any player making more than $15m in a year and dropped must be resigned to the same contract, if signed. If not the player would remain in the pool until FA comes along after the season.
It is a good point, just need to limit what your point is, not restrict a GM from a legal action. Just my opinion.
I like the first half of the proposal above, but I think the second half is not necessary. I propose that teams can cut players at any time, but players making more than 15m can not be signed until the off-season. That way the free market would determine their salary, and we would not need additional rules governing how much they can be signed for. I have no problem if someone like A-Rod is signed for 5m in the off-season, because at least the high cap teams would be making a choice rather than be limited by the cap during the season after they have already committed most of their available cap space to other free agents signings. It doesn't seem fair to ask teams to stash cap space just in case such players are cut during the season, because they would not be maximizing their cap dollars.
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I don't like the idea of preventing the release of players or restricting FA. This may be a point at which we have to allow cases to happen where a once expensive player receives a cheaper contract. One point to make is that teams will find a way to free up more cap space if they want one of these stars. If A-Rod was released, and the max cap available to any team was $5m, I would be shocked to see a team not push an offer to $10m/year by releasing several prospect contracts and other players. Waivers adds more chance for a team to release cap space.
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I don't like the idea of preventing the release of players or restricting FA. This may be a point at which we have to allow cases to happen where a once expensive player receives a cheaper contract. One point to make is that teams will find a way to free up more cap space if they want one of these stars. If A-Rod was released, and the max cap available to any team was $5m, I would be shocked to see a team not push an offer to $10m/year by releasing several prospect contracts and other players. Waivers adds more chance for a team to release cap space.
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I am also not in favor of restricting player drops or FA signings. IMO this punishes teams that have cap room and could use it to make a signing like this.
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If I had to vote, I would vote for nothing to be done at all. If something must be done, it should be from the signing side and not restrict the dropping of players.
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What if we just sync up the cost savings deadline with the FA deadline? That should avoid the issue without adding any complexity...
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What if we just sync up the cost savings deadline with the FA deadline? That should avoid the issue without adding any complexity...
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