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Fantasy Leagues => Dynasty NHL => NHL Leagues => Dynasty NHL: Archive => Topic started by: Anthony on March 23, 2016, 05:03:26 PM
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D Dennis Seidenberg, $4m (2016-2017) @.66 1 yr., 5.3m. ( i think i have the room)
Not trying to cause a stir, but shouldn't rosters be locked in the playoffs for everyone? Seems unfair to use that cap space after the season is over.
If not, great use of cap space Snug
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I thought we always allowed some time end of season to beginning of next season to move expiring contracts etc. but I could be wrong.
Pretty sure, Florida, buffalo and others have made some buyouts after they were out of playoffs. as well.
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checking league history.... http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=206549.0 (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=206549.0) it looks like this has been allowed in the past and is consistent with prior years. Many transactions of drops in late march which would have been same time as playoffs (mar 9 - april 11th).
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http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?board=1183.400 (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?board=1183.400) sorry sent the wrong link.
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Might want to drop Kovalchuk as well. Dude is playing in China now.
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I guess I never noticed. Not trying to call you out this was just the first one I paid any attention too. Guess I'm just salty since I have no space to do that haha
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I think in salary cap leagues, it is a good idea to have an option like this for teams to buy out overpriced players if they have the cap to do so at season's end.
Overall I think in the long run it'll make for better teams and better competitiveness with more teams having more cap space in the summer rather than tied up with old players on medium to high salary cap hits.
It does suck when you're not able to make similar moves due to cap restraints though, so I feel your pain Anthony (not in this league, but others!)
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Honestly, this issue occurred to me a couple weeks ago. I can't recall ever debating this with myself in the past, we've always allowed current year roster moves right up until the playoffs are over, or when the current NHL regular season officially ends. But for some reason this year it struck me as odd that we allow this. A roster lock seems more natural, right? But if we did that, playoff teams wouldn't be able to call up prospects or activate IR players. A full roster lock doesn't make much sense. What kind of partial lock would make sense? Allow only free drops? Allow only certain types of buyouts (where no future money could be added to the current year)? Suspend the buyout discount during the playoffs? It starts to get confusing. Where to draw the line on a partial lock is debatable and it's probably a waste of time. I think it's always worked out well the way we've done it and I don't really like adding extra rules. So I'm going with status quo unless others feel strongly about this.
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I split this conversation to a new thread from the transaction thread so that others can see it and chime in if they want.
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My two cents are that it'd be an interesting strategic wrinkle to lock the rosters (no moves of any kind, including IR moves) of the *playoff* teams at the end of the bye week, but allow the non-playoff teams to continue to make moves freely and use available current-year cap space for buy-outs through the end of the playoffs. I'm suggesting the end of the bye week as the cutoff rather than the end of the regular season because a team might not know until the very last moments of the end of the regular season whether it will in the playoff or non-playoff camp.
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Honestly, this issue occurred to me a couple weeks ago. I can't recall ever debating this with myself in the past, we've always allowed current year roster moves right up until the playoffs are over, or when the current NHL regular season officially ends. But for some reason this year it struck me as odd that we allow this. A roster lock seems more natural, right? But if we did that, playoff teams wouldn't be able to call up prospects or activate IR players. A full roster lock doesn't make much sense. What kind of partial lock would make sense? Allow only free drops? Allow only certain types of buyouts (where no future money could be added to the current year)? Suspend the buyout discount during the playoffs? It starts to get confusing. Where to draw the line on a partial lock is debatable and it's probably a waste of time. I think it's always worked out well the way we've done it and I don't really like adding extra rules. So I'm going with status quo unless others feel strongly about this.
Over in QLS we do it a bit differently and it's been fine so far in the few years it's been in existence.
Basically we lock buy-outs and waivers sometime after the trade deadline and just before playoffs start.
Reasoning is, if you're in playoffs you roll with the players and contracts you have, make your playoff run, and deal with everything else in the off-season.
If you're out of playoffs, you can make the necessary buy-outs if you want, but it has to be done before the season is over and playoffs start. Pretty much you're throwing in the white towel and gearing up towards the next season already.
Then once playoffs start, everything regarding roster moves is locked, except for those teams that are in playoffs, you can still do the minor moves such as activating players off LTIR if they become healthy during your playoff run (and you have the cap room), calling up and sending down prospect players (the rule is a bit different in QLS, as any player with a prospect contract can still be sent up/down). And you can still drop players "for free" which is usually done if you want to call a minor leaguer up who is doing better (same as here, under $1m per year are free drops).
Seems to have worked fine so far.
On the flip side, like I mentioned previously in the thread... It does make sense to allow GM's to use up any cap space this year to make necessary buy-outs (like the $10m S.Doan one).
Just gets tricky as some teams have boat loads of cap room while others do not, and using myself as an example, you can sign one player for a huge number for 1 year ($9m per year) and then just buy him out when your season is done for $6m and have $3m more to use towards other buy-outs that you want to do. Of course, you have to have the $9m in cap to begin with.
I guess the benefit is that if you're cap savvy through the year, you can afford to make such moves, but if you go up to the cap limit, you don't, haha.
It'll be tougher too next year with the cap down and a lot more prospect guys converting from $0.2 or $0.5 per year to actual contracts.
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Over in QLS we do it a bit differently and it's been fine so far in the few years it's been in existence.
Basically we lock buy-outs and waivers sometime after the trade deadline and just before playoffs start.
Reasoning is, if you're in playoffs you roll with the players and contracts you have, make your playoff run, and deal with everything else in the off-season.
If you're out of playoffs, you can make the necessary buy-outs if you want, but it has to be done before the season is over and playoffs start. Pretty much you're throwing in the white towel and gearing up towards the next season already.
Then once playoffs start, everything regarding roster moves is locked, except for those teams that are in playoffs, you can still do the minor moves such as activating players off LTIR if they become healthy during your playoff run (and you have the cap room), calling up and sending down prospect players (the rule is a bit different in QLS, as any player with a prospect contract can still be sent up/down). And you can still drop players "for free" which is usually done if you want to call a minor leaguer up who is doing better (same as here, under $1m per year are free drops).
Seems to have worked fine so far.
On the flip side, like I mentioned previously in the thread... It does make sense to allow GM's to use up any cap space this year to make necessary buy-outs (like the $10m S.Doan one).
Just gets tricky as some teams have boat loads of cap room while others do not, and using myself as an example, you can sign one player for a huge number for 1 year ($9m per year) and then just buy him out when your season is done for $6m and have $3m more to use towards other buy-outs that you want to do. Of course, you have to have the $9m in cap to begin with.
I guess the benefit is that if you're cap savvy through the year, you can afford to make such moves, but if you go up to the cap limit, you don't, haha.
It'll be tougher too next year with the cap down and a lot more prospect guys converting from $0.2 or $0.5 per year to actual contracts.
One very simple fix that could basically solve the problem (not that I'm convinced there's really a problem, just thinking out loud) is to add a buyout discount deadline at some point around the 3/4 mark of the season. Or perhaps a deadline that coincides with the trade deadline like you do in QLS. Buyouts would be allowed after the deadline but not at the 66% rate, you would have to pay full price to buyout the contract. This forces teams to make a decision to either go for it or not right at the trade deadline, which is basically what we want anyway and it might encourage more trade deadline action. Then the playoff teams have no roster restrictions, but there's less late season/playoff cap maneuverability. Which also adds an balance factor since the best teams have less roster/cap flexibility going into the next season.
I still prefer to do nothing; just an idea.
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Personally I like whatever gives GMs the most freedom because then they tend to be more involved and trying to figure out the following years cap situation takes time, so keeping the freeze just on free agency makes the most sense to me.
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I guess it just seems weird that your season can be over and you can still make moves on your current roster. After some thought it seems like a non-issue. If there isn't already, just have a deadline of when the rosters rollover to the next year.