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Fantasy Leagues => Dynasty NHL: Transactions => Dynasty NHL => NHL Leagues => Dynasty NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: winter on July 14, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
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Edmonton receives -Tomas Plekanec, Alex Auld, 1st. Rd. #9
Montreal receives - Ales Hemsky, Nikolai Khabibulin, 3rd Rd. #1
Was looking for another 1st. rd. pick and needed some help @ center. Hate losing Hemsky, I like him, and Khabibulin will get Montreal some starts/points.
Pleasure trading with Montreal/Whomp :toast:
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I confirm.
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:iatp:
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This one is a little boarderline for me, i dunno! Hemsky and Plecks are pretty comparible and Auld and Khabi are pretty close in back-up roles for OTT and EDM respectivley, but the 9th overall pick is gonna be a bigtime top line player seems like its a little far in EDM favor. I dunno just my opinion. Not a terrible trade by any means but when u think of the 9th pick as a Shane Doan type player it seems a hefty price for Hemsky and Khabi and a 3rd rder
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This is way lopsided. I'd take Khabi over Auld but not by much and I might take Plekanec over Hemsky with his injury problems. I know you guys have positional needs and that's always a consideration but bottom line the Habs could get a crapload more for that 1st round pick. On top of that if my math is right the Habs are taking on more payroll here.
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If you look at long term it is good for getting rid of a long term contract for a short term rise in costs.
Everyone judges talent differently, I do not want to be married to Plekanec.
Please re-evaluate.
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I think if a 2nd rounder was going to EDM it would be a better deal IMO, the first rounder, at 9, is goingt o give you an absolute bonafide superstar.
I couldnt imagin the trade as something like:
Doan, Plecks,Auld
for
Hemsky, Khabi and maybe a line role player
sorry to use Doan but thats just where I see a 9th overall type of player, somewhere mid 300 FP's per season.
I completely understand the contract issue, but at the same time its still too much of an overpayment in my eyes
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Has anybody taken a look at fantrax to see whats available at each position, how much deeper can a draft pool get. For the record, Doan, in Dynasty Fantrax is listed w/256 fantasy points not mid 300's. Outside of 2 goalies, there is not a single person above 300. Auld had 64/pts. and is only projected for 10-15 gms this year, he would be taking nothing but space on my roster. Khabibulin had 148/pts, and will get more starts. Also, outside of the availability of this draft pool, I'd hardly consider Doan a 9th overall pick in any league. IMO. All respects bean :toast:
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Has anybody taken a look at fantrax to see whats available at each position, how much deeper can a draft pool get. For the record, Doan, in Dynasty Fantrax is listed w/256 fantasy points not mid 300's. Outside of 2 goalies, there is not a single person above 300. Auld had 64/pts. and is only projected for 10-15 gms this year, he would be taking nothing but space on my roster. Khabibulin had 148/pts, and will get more starts. Also, outside of the availability of this draft pool, I'd hardly consider Doan a 9th overall pick in any league. IMO. All respects bean :toast:
I agree that Doan isn't a 300 point player. Realistically the 9th pick should either be a very good goalie or a good scoring skater worth somewhere around 200-250 points a year. At pick 41 the goalie selection will be very scarce and for skaters you're starting to look at sleepers and 3rd line forwards. I would venture a guess that the difference in production should be somewhere around 100 points between these two picks. I don't see that Montreal is getting that much value back. That's just my opinion. I know positional needs are important right now especially with the vague position eligibility rules.
I haven't vetoed yet, I'd like to see what the rest of the TC thinks.
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I see what ur saying and I was just throwing Doans name out there. Yes this draft is VERY deep. Every position has stars available and is why I figured the 9th was a high compensation, I mean i dont know how the other guys are drafting, but I have 2 picks before the 9th pick and when I look at who other may take and who i may take the players left at spot 9 will be incredible players which I think will put this trade lop-sided. That's why i think a 2nd rounder would be more fair compensation in this specific trade.
Yes Auld wont get much in OTT but he will get more in OTT then he did in MTL I think, and Khabi will get some, yes, but less than last year I think as they will try to ride Dybnyk IMO. I dunno I think think it's a little one sided because of that pick, just one man's opinion lol, everyone else in the TC might see fair!
Also, just FYI I was just pullin numbers out of my bunm or Doan's 300+ fp's lol, shot in the dark haha.
No Harm Winter, always good to hear the other sides opinion!!
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Also Khabi has got more playing time and been a more productive player, but we have to consider the long term and Khabi's nearly eligible for social security at this point.
ALTHOUGH, now that I looked it over again Bill is saving a ton of money over the long term by dealing Plekanec. 5 years at $5m is a hefty contract for him. I didn't really account for that in my initial assessment.
I think if saving $20m over 4 years is worth a 1st round pick to the Habs, we probably shouldn't get in the way of it.
:iatp:
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I think Edmonton probably has the edge with that first round pick but taking in the cap numbers I am ok with the trade.
Hemsky is almost a point a game guy, if he can put together a full season he has a decent chance to out perform Plekanec, and Khabi should be better than Auld. The 3rd rounder is also at least the #1 pick of that round, so that should net a decent player also.
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I vote NO. way lopsided in this one. plek for hemsky is about the only fair side of this. Sorry but i would say if u made the trade plek and auld for hemsky and khabi and if u wanna throw pick round montreal could recieve a 3rd round pick and edmonton could get a 2nd then i would approve it
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Trade Committee:
Robo - Approve
-BA- - Approve
BeanTown
gocubsgo7
Fantasy Nightmares - Veto
BrewCrew
izaman3 - Approve
One vote needed to approve, 3 to veto.
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:iatp: hemskey is the best player in the deal and he gives up a first rounder for it. he might be losing in the trade but its not too uneven for a veto. and the swap older goalies
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I've been reading over everyone's thoughts on this a few times, and my answer is still approve. Here are my thoughts.
If Hemsky is healthy, I'd take him over Plekanec probably, and definitely if it fit my positional needs but the health risk makes this a good value. Auld vs Khabi; Khabi is probably going to split time with Dubnyk and might get the edge in starts enough though Dubnyk showed last year that he is a future #1 goalie he is still young and Khabi is experienced and a good goaltender. Auld is going to be regulated to back-up and depending on the health of Anderson, I'd say get 20 games. Khabi splitting time with a slightly older more experienced Edmonton team is surely going to get more wins and points than last year. As for the 1st rd and 3rd rd picks, I valued Hemsky and Khabi over Plekanec and Auld, this pick swap evens things out more. Factoring in the cap issue, I can see why both teams are ok with this trade in the short term and long run.
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I will approve
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:thumbsup: