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Title: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Drew on April 13, 2015, 07:00:14 PM
Post here anything you wish to see change, added, removed.

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+/-
Reason - non meaningful stat
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Drew on April 19, 2015, 04:32:17 PM
Anything on this?
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: SlackJack on April 19, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
Does Fantrax do Advanced Stats....is that even somewhere we want to go? I read somewhere that CORSI was better than +/-....more reflective somehow but to be honest I'm not in a hurry to adapt to the advanced stuff.

Just chattering for the  sake of it. Maybe just drop +/- and don't replace it with anything at all??
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Jwalk100 on April 19, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
Maybe just drop +/- and don't replace it with anything at all??

 :iatp:
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Drew on April 25, 2015, 05:18:09 PM
Does anybody have a problem with removing +/- being removed? If so speak now or else it will be removed!
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: norrya66 on April 25, 2015, 09:47:07 PM
I'm fine with it gone.  :judge:
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Tony on August 19, 2015, 12:35:09 AM
Does anybody have a problem with removing +/- being removed? If so speak now or else it will be removed!
:bump: so will it be dropped?
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Rob on August 20, 2015, 10:00:37 AM
Max Pacioretty and Nikita Kucherov led the league last year with +38.  Here are their BY FP numbers with and without the stat:

Pacioretty with +/- = 190 pts, 2.38 FP/G
Pacioretty w/o  +/- = 181 pts, 2.26 FP/G
The change would decrease Pacioretty's production by 0.12 FP/G (5% decrease)

Kucherov with +/- = 150 pts, 1.83 FP/G
Kucherov w/o  +/- = 140 pts, 1.71 FP/G
The change would decrease Kucherov's production by 0.12 FP/G (7% decrease)

At the other end of the spectrum, Nail Yakupov posted a league worst -35. 

Yakupov with +/- = 90 pts, 1.11 FP/G
Yakupov w/o +/-  = 98 pts, 1.21 FP/G
The change would increase Yakupov's production by 0.10 FP/G (9% increase)

As the best and worst in this category these players would be affected most.  Every player in between is affected less and less.  Given that about 90% of the players in BY would see about 2% change or less (guesstimate), I would say this is a reasonable change.

So, my opinion is - get rid of +/-.

I'm still new here and I'm getting used to the scoring.  I really won't have a strong opinion on the stat discussion until the season starts and I start seeing stats pour in.  I will say, as a first impression, it seems like the best players don't stand far enough apart from the mediocre players in this league.  Just doing some quick math...

Players ranking between 51-60 in FP are scoring about 75% of the points that players ranked between 1-10.  The top 10 skaters (D included) earn about $6.39/yr on average while the 51-60 ranked skaters make about $2.25/yr on average.  So, to sign a top 10 player you're going to pay almost 300% more to gain 25% additional stat production.  I do not expect these numbers to be even... You gotta pay for the best!  However it seems like these numbers should be a bit closer.

This is not criticism.  Just an observation because you asked.  I have not even reviewed this discrepancy in my league.  But, like I said it was one of my first impressions - that the best players here are not as economical as they might be. 

Lastly, this has nothing to do with stats but I figure I'll bring it up - I feel like there's not enough incentive to sign long-term contracts here.  My suggestion here would be to install a minimum contract length based on the total contract extension value.  This does not need to apply for FA due to the rules about contracts relating to real life (which I really like), but on extensions I think it makes a lot of sense.  Here's my rule on that from DNHL for an example.

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Contract Limits for Extensions
Contract extensions follow the contract maximum lengths as shown above as well as their own minimum standards.

Salary - Min & Max Years
$6.5m+ - 5 years (the overall limit)
$5 to $6.4m - 4 or 5 years
$3.5 to $4.9m - 3 or 4 years
$2 to $3.4m - 2 or 3 years
$0 to $1.9m - 1 or 2 years

Again, this is NOT criticism.  Just some observations.  I really like this league so far and can't wait to start scoring!
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: SlackJack on August 20, 2015, 10:21:55 AM
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Again, this is NOT criticism.  Just some observations.  I really like this league so far and can't wait to start scoring!

I applaud your observations Rob and would love to hear you breakdown the goalies compared to skaters in relation to cost and production.

All that aside, I think you'll be happy with the level of competition here. If I have to over-pay by 300% to get the extra few points I need to beat you on a weekly basis you'll find yourself behind me in the line-up as I am reaching for my wallet.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Rule Discussion: Stats
Post by: Jwalk100 on August 20, 2015, 08:22:48 PM
I applaud your observations Rob and would love to hear you breakdown the goalies compared to skaters in relation to cost and production.

All that aside, I think you'll be happy with the level of competition here. If I have to over-pay by 300% to get the extra few points I need to beat you on a weekly basis you'll find yourself behind me in the line-up as I am reaching for my wallet.  :rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Great research Rob!